Panel/Glare shield paint...

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Rather than a question, this is more of a solution...

While I had attempted to match the color of my SH glider glare shield in the past, I was never willing to send off my glare shield to do a proper color match. As such my attempt was close, but it was noticeable if you were paying attention.

I recently was able to send off a sample to the folks at myperfectcolor and they did come up with a color that is much closer to a match of the Nextel paint that SH uses on their panels and glare shields.

Disclaimer, I have no financial interest in myperfectcolor.

I had them name the color "Schempp-Hirth Nexel".

I ordered 2 cans of it in their "Hedrix Fast Dry Acrylic Enamel Spray Paint" and painted a couple of 3D printed parts with it this past week. Below is a link to a picture I took yesterday of the 2 parts on top of my glare shield.

http://daziv.com/nextel/img_4294.jpg

If you look carefully, you'll notice that the color on my compass is a different shade than the other parts. This was my prior attempt. The 2 parts in the foreground are a much closer match.


https://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/product/994552_Hedrix-Fast-Dry-Acrylic-Enamel-Spray-Paint


Mark

[[email protected]]

That's very cool; I'll be ordering! Thanks.
>
> I had them name the color "Schempp-Hirth Nexel".
>
> I ordered 2 cans of it in their "Hedrix Fast Dry Acrylic Enamel Spray Paint" and painted a couple of 3D printed parts with it this past week. Below is a link to a picture I took yesterday of the 2 parts on top of my glare shield.
>
> http://daziv.com/nextel/img_4294.jpg
>
> If you look carefully, you'll notice that the color on my compass is a different shade than the other parts. This was my prior attempt. The 2 parts in the foreground are a much closer match.
>
>
> https://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/product/994552_Hedrix-Fast-Dry-Acrylic-Enamel-Spray-Paint
>
>
> Mark

[Michael Opitz]

At 12:39 05 January 2020, wrote:
>Rather than a question, this is more of a solution...
>
>While I had attempted to match the color of my SH glider glare
shield in
>the past, I was never willing to send off my glare shield to do a
proper
>color match. As such my attempt was close, but it was noticeable
if you
>were paying attention.
>
>I recently was able to send off a sample to the folks at
myperfectcolor and
>they did come up with a color that is much closer to a match of the
Nextel
>paint that SH uses on their panels and glare shields.
>
>Disclaimer, I have no financial interest in myperfectcolor.
>
>I had them name the color "Schempp-Hirth Nexel".
>
>I ordered 2 cans of it in their "Hedrix Fast Dry Acrylic Enamel
Spray
>Paint" and painted a couple of 3D printed parts with it this past
week.
>Below is a link to a picture I took yesterday of the 2 parts on top of
my
>glare shield.
>
>http://daziv.com/nextel/img_4294.jpg
>
>If you look carefully, you'll notice that the color on my compass is
a
>different shade than the other parts. This was my prior attempt.
The 2
>parts in the foreground are a much closer match.
>
>
>https://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/product/994552_Hedrix-Fast-
Dry-Acrylic-Enamel-Spray-Paint
>
>
>Mark
>
Useful to have... Thanks..

RO

[krasw]

Based on the solution, I'd like to ask a question. Why an earth people use any other paint then the exact same Nextel Schempp and others use? I mean, it's a very expensive toy, and you will stare at your panel a foot away every time you fly it. Are you sure panel paint is the best place to save some money or effort?

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
> Based on the solution, I'd like to ask a question. Why an earth people use any other paint then the exact same Nextel Schempp and others use? I mean, it's a very expensive toy, and you will stare at your panel a foot away every time you fly it. Are you sure panel paint is the best place to save some money or effort?

Well, I will tell you why. Nextel unfortunately reflects on a canopy quite badly. Yes, it should not reflect according to the manufacturer, but it does. My next glider will not have Nextel paint.

[Tom BravoMike]

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-6, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
> > Based on the solution, I'd like to ask a question. Why an earth people use any other paint then the exact same Nextel Schempp and others use? I mean, it's a very expensive toy, and you will stare at your panel a foot away every time you fly it. Are you sure panel paint is the best place to save some money or effort?
>
> Well, I will tell you why. Nextel unfortunately reflects on a canopy quite badly. Yes, it should not reflect according to the manufacturer, but it does. My next glider will not have Nextel paint.

For that reason I bought this:

https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world-s-mattest-flattest-blackest-art-material

and I am quite happy with the result. I find any reflections on the canopy very annoying, especially when watching videos taken in flight.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Tom BravoMike wrote on 1/5/2020 11:13 AM:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-6, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
>>> Based on the solution, I'd like to ask a question. Why an earth people use any other paint then the exact same Nextel Schempp and others use? I mean, it's a very expensive toy, and you will stare at your panel a foot away every time you fly it. Are you sure panel paint is the best place to save some money or effort?
>>
>> Well, I will tell you why. Nextel unfortunately reflects on a canopy quite badly. Yes, it should not reflect according to the manufacturer, but it does. My next glider will not have Nextel paint.
>
> For that reason I bought this:
>
> https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world-s-mattest-flattest-blackest-art-material
>
> and I am quite happy with the result. I find any reflections on the canopy very annoying, especially when watching videos taken in flight.
>
I haven't tried that. I use black velour on the glare shield, oriented to show the
least reflection. Excellent, but slowly degrades in sunlight, and I replace it
every few years. Some fabric lasts much longer than others.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Chris Behm]

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 7:56:10 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Tom BravoMike wrote on 1/5/2020 11:13 AM:
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-6, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
> >>> Based on the solution, I'd like to ask a question. Why an earth people use any other paint then the exact same Nextel Schempp and others use? I mean, it's a very expensive toy, and you will stare at your panel a foot away every time you fly it. Are you sure panel paint is the best place to save some money or effort?
> >>
> >> Well, I will tell you why. Nextel unfortunately reflects on a canopy quite badly. Yes, it should not reflect according to the manufacturer, but it does. My next glider will not have Nextel paint.
> >
> > For that reason I bought this:
> >
> > https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world-s-mattest-flattest-blackest-art-material
> >
> > and I am quite happy with the result. I find any reflections on the canopy very annoying, especially when watching videos taken in flight.
> >
> I haven't tried that. I use black velour on the glare shield, oriented to show the
> least reflection. Excellent, but slowly degrades in sunlight, and I replace it
> every few years. Some fabric lasts much longer than others.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Wouldn't an old-school wrinkle-finish paint in flat black work and not give a reflection?

Regards,
TB1

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Chris Behm wrote on 1/5/2020 8:06 PM:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 7:56:10 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> Tom BravoMike wrote on 1/5/2020 11:13 AM:
>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-6, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
>>>>> Based on the solution, I'd like to ask a question. Why an earth people use any other paint then the exact same Nextel Schempp and others use? I mean, it's a very expensive toy, and you will stare at your panel a foot away every time you fly it. Are you sure panel paint is the best place to save some money or effort?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I will tell you why. Nextel unfortunately reflects on a canopy quite badly. Yes, it should not reflect according to the manufacturer, but it does. My next glider will not have Nextel paint.
>>>
>>> For that reason I bought this:
>>>
>>> https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world-s-mattest-flattest-blackest-art-material
>>>
>>> and I am quite happy with the result. I find any reflections on the canopy very annoying, especially when watching videos taken in flight.
>>>
>> I haven't tried that. I use black velour on the glare shield, oriented to show the
>> least reflection. Excellent, but slowly degrades in sunlight, and I replace it
>> every few years. Some fabric lasts much longer than others.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
>> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>
> Wouldn't an old-school wrinkle-finish paint in flat black work and not give a reflection?

Also, I've never seen a flat black anything that is a black as black velour or
velvet; also, I can keep the glare shield "original", perhaps making selling it
(eventually) easier

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Ludovic[_2_]]

Hi

Interesting.
What's the original Nextel reference of your paint ?

Mine is B21 - Dark Anthracite.

http://www.nextel-coating.com/b21-7325-%e2%80%89dark-anthracite/

Regards,
Ludovic

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 12:25:58 AM UTC-8, Ludovic wrote:
> Hi
>
> Interesting.
> What's the original Nextel reference of your paint ?
>
> Mine is B21 - Dark Anthracite.
>
> http://www.nextel-coating.com/b21-7325-%e2%80%89dark-anthracite/
>
> Regards,
> Ludovic

I like this one:
https://www.nextel-coating.com/52j7-denbrockblue/

[[email protected]]

I had to make a "tunnel" of sheet metal to look through because the compass rose on my vertical card compass mounted way out on the end of my instrument panel cover was projected up into my canopy. I wrapped the tunnel in black felt, which worked well. But over the years, it bleached out to a dark purple color.

When I resprayed the instrument panel cover with a different flat black can (better but still not perfect), I also sprayed the felt. That proved to be the solution: flat black painted black fabric. I can't say how durable it might be in a wear area but this is way out under the canopy so I can barely touch it anyway even when cleaning the canopy.

Chip Bearden
JB

[soaringjac]

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:40:02 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> Rather than a question, this is more of a solution...
>
> While I had attempted to match the color of my SH glider glare shield in the past, I was never willing to send off my glare shield to do a proper color match. As such my attempt was close, but it was noticeable if you were paying attention.
>
> I recently was able to send off a sample to the folks at myperfectcolor and they did come up with a color that is much closer to a match of the Nextel paint that SH uses on their panels and glare shields.
>
> Disclaimer, I have no financial interest in myperfectcolor.
>
> I had them name the color "Schempp-Hirth Nexel".
>
> I ordered 2 cans of it in their "Hedrix Fast Dry Acrylic Enamel Spray Paint" and painted a couple of 3D printed parts with it this past week. Below is a link to a picture I took yesterday of the 2 parts on top of my glare shield.
>
> http://daziv.com/nextel/img_4294.jpg
>
> If you look carefully, you'll notice that the color on my compass is a different shade than the other parts. This was my prior attempt. The 2 parts in the foreground are a much closer match.
>
>
> https://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/product/994552_Hedrix-Fast-Dry-Acrylic-Enamel-Spray-Paint
>
>
> Mark

I just painted my glare shield and used this stuff. Works perfectly! zero reflection. https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-1916-830-1916830-Camouflage-12-Ounce/dp/B0009XB3NQ

[2G]

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:58:15 PM UTC-8, soaringjac wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:40:02 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > Rather than a question, this is more of a solution...
> >
> > While I had attempted to match the color of my SH glider glare shield in the past, I was never willing to send off my glare shield to do a proper color match. As such my attempt was close, but it was noticeable if you were paying attention.
> >
> > I recently was able to send off a sample to the folks at myperfectcolor and they did come up with a color that is much closer to a match of the Nextel paint that SH uses on their panels and glare shields.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I have no financial interest in myperfectcolor.
> >
> > I had them name the color "Schempp-Hirth Nexel".
> >
> > I ordered 2 cans of it in their "Hedrix Fast Dry Acrylic Enamel Spray Paint" and painted a couple of 3D printed parts with it this past week. Below is a link to a picture I took yesterday of the 2 parts on top of my glare shield.
> >
> > http://daziv.com/nextel/img_4294.jpg
> >
> > If you look carefully, you'll notice that the color on my compass is a different shade than the other parts. This was my prior attempt. The 2 parts in the foreground are a much closer match.
> >
> >
> > https://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/product/994552_Hedrix-Fast-Dry-Acrylic-Enamel-Spray-Paint
> >
> >
> > Mark
>
> I just painted my glare shield and used this stuff. Works perfectly! zero reflection. https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-1916-830-1916830-Camouflage-12-Ounce/dp/B0009XB3NQ

Another option is to flock the glare shield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOX-9dSJ28

http://www.flockit.com/index.php/

Tom