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[Joseph L. Hyde]

For everyone who is offended at US oriented posts....close this one now.
For those not offended, At our recent pre-season safety meeting it was
brought to our attention that the FAA's glider flying handbook is available
for download for free in PDF format. The word FREE usually gets the
attention of most glider pilots. The URL follows

http://afs600.faa.gov/srchFolder.asp?Category=traininghandbook&cmdScroll=1


Take Care,


Joe Hyde

[BTIZ]

sure... just the self printing later.. I keep the electronic copy just to
extract what I need from time to time..

If you'll look, most of the FAA handbooks are available online

BT

"Joseph L. Hyde" > wrote in message
. ..
> For everyone who is offended at US oriented posts....close this one
> now.
> For those not offended, At our recent pre-season safety meeting it was
> brought to our attention that the FAA's glider flying handbook is
> available
> for download for free in PDF format. The word FREE usually gets the
> attention of most glider pilots. The URL follows
>
> http://afs600.faa.gov/srchFolder.asp?Category=traininghandbook&cmdScroll=1
>
>
> Take Care,
>
>
> Joe Hyde
>
>

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Joseph L. Hyde wrote:
>At our recent pre-season safety meeting it was
> brought to our attention that the FAA's glider flying handbook is
available
> for download for free in PDF format.


Free is nice but it is too bad the handbook is so full of errors and
mis-information. Who ever had the final editing responsibility failed
totally.

Can you believe an official FAA publication shows tow rings attached to
tow ropes with knots? Where in the world did they get that from?

That is just the start.

Robert Mudd

[BTIZ]

> Can you believe an official FAA publication shows tow rings attached to
> tow ropes with knots? Where in the world did they get that from?

guess they forgot how to do splices

BT

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It is one thing for a glider operator do use knots but is a whole other
level of stupidity for the FAA to print the picture in their offical
Glider Handbook.

Robert Mudd

[Pat Russell]

My club hires wenches to tie those knots.

[Joseph L. Hyde]

I would suggest that people involved in instruction in the US
familiarize themselves with this document. Errors notwithstanding, now that
the FAA has published a training manual it is sure bet it will become the
source of the examination material.

Joe


> wrote in message
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> It is one thing for a glider operator do use knots but is a whole other
> level of stupidity for the FAA to print the picture in their offical
> Glider Handbook.
>
> Robert Mudd
>

[W.J. \(Bill\) Dean \(U.K.\).]

I have a printed copy of the FAA "Aviation Instructor's Handbook"
FAA-H-8083-9.

I downloaded the pdf version since there are various people I would like to
see it without lending them my printed copy.

However when I compared the printed copy with the pdf version I find that
the transfer to pdf was a sloppy and inaccurate job.

The pictures appear in the same position on the same pages in the pdf
version as in the printed version. However the text takes more room and so
it gets out of sinc. with the pictures, and by the end of Chapter 1 (which I
have checked) it is one page behind (but the table of contents has not been
adjusted).

Worse, the last page or so of text is totally missing. In addition, the
bottom line on many pages is unreadable or wholly missing.

I have also had a look at chapter 5, again out of sinc. and the last part of
the text totally missing.

Has anyone checked to see if the "Glider Flying Handbook" has been properly
transcribed?

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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>
> "Joseph L. Hyde" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> For everyone who is offended at US oriented posts....close this one now.
> For those not offended, at our recent pre-season safety meeting it was
> brought to our attention that the FAA's glider flying handbook is
> available
> for download for free in PDF format. The word FREE usually gets the
> attention of most glider pilots. The URL follows
>
> http://afs600.faa.gov/srchFolder.asp?Category=traininghandbook&cmdScroll=1
>
> Take Care,
>
> Joe Hyde
>

[Doug]

Either that or it's just one more way for the FAA to shut down the glider
op. if there is a PTT via a ropebreak and you did NOT use knots as shown in
their official Glider Handbook.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> It is one thing for a glider operator do use knots but is a whole other
> level of stupidity for the FAA to print the picture in their offical
> Glider Handbook.
>
> Robert Mudd
>

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Naturally for testing purposes you have to feed back to the FAA the
information they use in their handbook.

I just hope we actually do a better job of teaching our students and
passing on correct information in the context of gliding than the FAA
does.

Robert

[David R.]

Actually, those ropes come from the gliderport that I fly at.

They did the work in a university lab to show that the rope design works
well with knots at both ends and an appropriate device to make the glider
end weaker then the tow plain end as well.

They have the documents to back it up too.

The Pics come from there because a couple of the writers were flying from
that glider port at the time. In fact nearly all of the pics are from this
glider port.

Over the five years that I've flown at this glider port, the ropes have
worked very well and most anyone can re-tie the knot when the rope starts to
look worn.

If you care to contact me offline, we can discuss more

regards

dave r.





> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Joseph L. Hyde wrote:
>>At our recent pre-season safety meeting it was
>> brought to our attention that the FAA's glider flying handbook is
> available
>> for download for free in PDF format.
>
>
> Free is nice but it is too bad the handbook is so full of errors and
> mis-information. Who ever had the final editing responsibility failed
> totally.
>
> Can you believe an official FAA publication shows tow rings attached to
> tow ropes with knots? Where in the world did they get that from?
>
> That is just the start.
>
> Robert Mudd
>

[David R.]

OK, my poor spelling is showing through.

"plain" should be "plane"

Almost as bad as "wench launching"

Let the jokes begin

david r.


"David R." > wrote in message
...
> Actually, those ropes come from the gliderport that I fly at.
>
> They did the work in a university lab to show that the rope design works
> well with knots at both ends and an appropriate device to make the glider
> end weaker then the tow plain end as well.
>
> They have the documents to back it up too.
>
> The Pics come from there because a couple of the writers were flying from
> that glider port at the time. In fact nearly all of the pics are from
> this glider port.
>
> Over the five years that I've flown at this glider port, the ropes have
> worked very well and most anyone can re-tie the knot when the rope starts
> to look worn.
>
> If you care to contact me offline, we can discuss more
>
> regards
>
> dave r.
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Joseph L. Hyde wrote:
>>>At our recent pre-season safety meeting it was
>>> brought to our attention that the FAA's glider flying handbook is
>> available
>>> for download for free in PDF format.
>>
>>
>> Free is nice but it is too bad the handbook is so full of errors and
>> mis-information. Who ever had the final editing responsibility failed
>> totally.
>>
>> Can you believe an official FAA publication shows tow rings attached to
>> tow ropes with knots? Where in the world did they get that from?
>>
>> That is just the start.
>>
>> Robert Mudd
>>
>
>

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"W.J. \(Bill\) Dean \(U.K.\)." > writes:

> Has anyone checked to see if the "Glider Flying Handbook" has been
> properly transcribed?

Not having a `real' one to compare with, no. But it is a sad example
of how to not typeset and publish material.

Oh yes, and how it looks depends on the reader :( Still bad, but a
different bad.

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[5Z]

Technically, the PDF version was produced from the same source as the
printed version. Transcription should not be the issue. The process
between original and paper seems to be different than the process
between original and PDF.

-Tom