OSH Go Arounds

[jsmith]

The "Go Around... NOW" thread go me to thinking about how to properly
execute a go-around at OSH AirVenture.
Last year I had to execute one after the aircraft I was following failed
to maintain the proper speed to the runway and proceded to land short of
his designated "dot".
We were landing 27 and the other runway in use of 36.
I added power and pitched out to the north (left).
There was no conflicting traffic, it was just like entering left
downwind for reentry.
That got me to wondering about advance planning of go-arounds for all
approaches during AirVenture.
If landing 9 or 27 and 18, you cannot pitchout to the north because of
the traffic 18.
If you are landing 18 and other traffic is landing 9 or 27, you cannot
continue north; you may encounter traffic on right downwind for 18 if
you pitchout to the east, or you pitchout to the west, over the
showline, Pioneer Aiport traffic, etc.
There is nothing in the NOTAM about Go-Around Procedures.
It never ceases to amaze me, that after all these years, there are still
holes in the procedures.

[Jose]

> There is nothing in the NOTAM about Go-Around Procedures.
> It never ceases to amaze me, that after all these years, there are still holes in the procedures.

They are there to assist Darwin. :)

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jack Allison]

> Last year I had to execute one after the aircraft I was following failed
> to maintain the proper speed to the runway and proceded to land short of
> his designated "dot".
Bet he didn't get the "Good job" from the tower controller.

> We were landing 27 and the other runway in use of 36.
> I added power and pitched out to the north (left).

If you're landing 27 and you turn North, that's a right turn on my
compass. Were you landing on 9? That would make more sense.

Glad that your OSH go-around went ok. I've not had to do one yet but
have seen some rather interesting go-arounds while watching the arrival
show. The funny thing is that after listening to tower on the handheld
for some time, you get to the point where you can tell when the tower
controller is going to tell someone to go around.



--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

> We were landing 27 and the other runway in use of 36.
> I added power and pitched out to the north (left).
> There was no conflicting traffic, it was just like entering left downwind
> for reentry.

Eh? I'm with Jack on this one -- you must've been landing on 09 for a turn
to the north to have been a left turn.

Knock on wood, I haven't had to in initiate a go-around at OSH. In any
event, as for procedures, I would do precisely what the controller tells me
to do.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>Knock on wood, I haven't had to in initiate a go-around at OSH. In any
>event, as for procedures, I would do precisely what the controller tells me
>to do.

Two years ago was my first trip to OSH, and this year I'm going again.
Last time, when it came time to take-off, the guy on the radio told me to
taxi onto the runway, but the guy with the flag was still holding it up in
the "STOP" position. So I stayed stopped, and the guy on the radio yelled
at me to move it, dammit.

Should I have ignored the flag?

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Cause geeks like us, baby we can hack the Sun" - Joe Thompson

[Dave Stadt]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
> >Knock on wood, I haven't had to in initiate a go-around at OSH. In any
> >event, as for procedures, I would do precisely what the controller tells
me
> >to do.
>
> Two years ago was my first trip to OSH, and this year I'm going again.
> Last time, when it came time to take-off, the guy on the radio told me to
> taxi onto the runway, but the guy with the flag was still holding it up in
> the "STOP" position. So I stayed stopped, and the guy on the radio yelled
> at me to move it, dammit.
>
> Should I have ignored the flag?
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> "Cause geeks like us, baby we can hack the Sun" - Joe Thompson

The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag is a
volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.

[Morgans]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote

> Two years ago was my first trip to OSH, and this year I'm going again.
> Last time, when it came time to take-off, the guy on the radio told me to
> taxi onto the runway, but the guy with the flag was still holding it up in
> the "STOP" position. So I stayed stopped, and the guy on the radio yelled
> at me to move it, dammit.
>
> Should I have ignored the flag?

IMHO, you should pay attention to the guy with the flag. He may have been
in a better position than the controller, to see something that should make
you stay put.

I would break radio silence to quickly point it out.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Dave Stadt" > wrote
>
> The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag is a
> volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.

On takeoff?

Every time I have been out for takeoff was the rush after the airshow, and
there were FAA pink shirts letting people onto the runway. I have never
seen any volunteers with flags anywhere other than taxiways. Have you seen
different, and if so, where?
--
Jim in NC

[[email protected]]

That is essentially correct. We typically marshall aircraft right up to
the runway itself, at which point the lead controller for that
particular runway (standing with a spotter on the "MOO-COW" little
trailer parked next to the runway) calls you out by "N" number (or "C"
letters for that matter!) and will typically tell you "into position
and hold".
We do not, ever, clear anyone onto the runway ourselves. The pink
shirts do that. When I work the "point" (the position where all the
traffic merges together right before the runway) I usually have a radio
that I'm monitoring.
Hence, we may be telling you to stop, and the controller wants you to
move. There might be slight delay. Or we are telling you to stop for
another reason, such as sorting out an IFR departure that may stage
from a different area and needs to move thru. (especially with RWY 27
departures, we don't have much room to work with on rwy 9 departures).
But in essence, an orange shirt should not be waving you onto the
runway. Only the pink shirts do. (unless we are told to by a pink
shirt).
I think the most fun at OSH for a volunteer is the point on RWY 9-27
just after the airshow. I would think it comes closest to what working
on an aircraft carrier deck must be like (on dry land). I know the
controllers like it. It is a thing of beauty when it works right.

Ryan
Co-Chair, Flight Line OPS, EAA OSH
Madison, WI

[George Patterson]

Dave Stadt wrote:
>
> "Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
> > >Knock on wood, I haven't had to in initiate a go-around at OSH. In any
> > >event, as for procedures, I would do precisely what the controller tells
> me
> > >to do.
> >
> > Two years ago was my first trip to OSH, and this year I'm going again.
> > Last time, when it came time to take-off, the guy on the radio told me to
> > taxi onto the runway, but the guy with the flag was still holding it up in
> > the "STOP" position. So I stayed stopped, and the guy on the radio yelled
> > at me to move it, dammit.
> >
> > Should I have ignored the flag?
> >
> > --
> > Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> > "Cause geeks like us, baby we can hack the Sun" - Joe Thompson
>
> The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag is a
> volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.

--
George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[George Patterson]

Dave Stadt wrote:
>
> The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag is a
> volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.

That's an example of the attitude that destroyed a priceless Corsair a few years
back.

George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[jsmith]

My bad... I was landing 09 with the setting sun to my back.

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>We were landing 27 and the other runway in use of 36.
>>I added power and pitched out to the north (left).
>>There was no conflicting traffic, it was just like entering left downwind
>>for reentry.
>
>
> Eh? I'm with Jack on this one -- you must've been landing on 09 for a turn
> to the north to have been a left turn.
>
> Knock on wood, I haven't had to in initiate a go-around at OSH. In any
> event, as for procedures, I would do precisely what the controller tells me
> to do.

[Jay Honeck]

> I think the most fun at OSH for a volunteer is the point on RWY 9-27
> just after the airshow. I would think it comes closest to what working
> on an aircraft carrier deck must be like (on dry land). I know the
> controllers like it. It is a thing of beauty when it works right.

Agreed. And it's a real mess when something or someone goes stupid.

All in all, however, it's usually a remarkable ground & aerial ballet, with
everyone working in perfect harmony and unison.

Thanks for making it work!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Stadt]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dave Stadt wrote:
> >
> > The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag is a
> > volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.
>
> That's an example of the attitude that destroyed a priceless Corsair a few
years
> back.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

That was a series of errors starting with very basic procedures that were
simply not very well thought out.

[George Patterson]

Dave Stadt wrote:
>
> "George Patterson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Dave Stadt wrote:
> > >
> > > The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag is a
> > > volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.
> >
> > That's an example of the attitude that destroyed a priceless Corsair a few
> > years back

> That was a series of errors starting with very basic procedures that were
> simply not very well thought out.

And this situation would be too, if the guy with the flag knows something the
guy with the mouth does not and you hit the throttle.

George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[Jack Allison]

jsmith wrote:
> My bad... I was landing 09 with the setting sun to my back.

Ah...makes perfect sense now...one of those "your other left"
situations. I hate it when that happens! :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

>> My bad... I was landing 09 with the setting sun to my back.
>
> Ah...makes perfect sense now...one of those "your other left" situations.
> I hate it when that happens! :-)

Man, it makes my heart pump just thinking about flying into OSH again this
year. What fun! :-)

Actually, I had some great practice for OSH a few weeks ago, flying into
Deland, Florida. (We were supposed to go direct Titusville, but they were
holding an airshow at TIX, and we had to wait till they reopened the field
in the early evening...)

Turns out, Deland is an incredible airport, with one of the biggest
skydiving schools in the world. Coming into the pattern from the north, I
was advised by folks in the pattern against crossing over the top of the
field for a downwind entry because of the intense skydiving activity.

Scoffing to Mary about "How many can there really be?," I nevertheless
circumnavigated the airport to enter the pattern from the south.

What a trip! I was, like, number 5 coming into the downwind. A
turbine-twin Otter was DIVING (and I mean diving, with beta thrust) into the
base leg of the pattern. Canopies literally filled the sky over the
airport, as dozens of meat bombs fell through the air.

In short, it was just like arriving in OSH -- without the control. Yee ha!

We had a great lunch at the on-field restaurant, and watched hundreds and
hundreds of skydivers land right in front of us for several hours. They were
working TWO Otters continually for the three hours we were there....
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[jsmith]

You should see it when they get a record attempt going.
Five DC-3's with 50 jumpers apiece.

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We had a great lunch at the on-field restaurant, and watched hundreds and
> hundreds of skydivers land right in front of us for several hours. They were
> working TWO Otters continually for the three hours we were there....

[Larry Dighera]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:05:49 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in
<15z1e.108739$Ze3.26161@attbi_s51>::

>one of the biggest skydiving schools in the world

The largest in North America:
http://www.skydiveperris.com/about/overview.asp

[John T]

FIFTY jumpers in a DC-3???

whew...even a load of 18 paratroopers with full gear was "full" in WWII,
IIRC.

John

[RST Engineering]

Package inbound. Contents:

Diode cases from the diodes in the Apollo 11 landing radar including the
hand-inked diode test results from Hughes Electronics.

Test instrument used for testing the operation of the radar into a simulated
landing environment.

Photographs of a VERY young engineer being shown on a model of the LEM where
the landing radar was going.

Photographs of a VERY young engineer out on the antenna pattern range in a
40 knot wind testing a breadboard of the radar circuit.

Clippings from electronic magazines of the day telling about how electronics
made the sucker work.

Copy of the customs form used to "clear" the astronauts back into Honolulu.


Forgot:

2 commemorative coins from Apollo 15 telling how our video transmitter was
used for the first live mobile video from Lunar Rover I.


I'll mail the coins later. Enjoy.

Jim

[Matt Whiting]

RST Engineering wrote:

> Package inbound. Contents:
>
> Diode cases from the diodes in the Apollo 11 landing radar including the
> hand-inked diode test results from Hughes Electronics.
>
> Test instrument used for testing the operation of the radar into a simulated
> landing environment.
>
> Photographs of a VERY young engineer being shown on a model of the LEM where
> the landing radar was going.
>
> Photographs of a VERY young engineer out on the antenna pattern range in a
> 40 knot wind testing a breadboard of the radar circuit.
>
> Clippings from electronic magazines of the day telling about how electronics
> made the sucker work.
>
> Copy of the customs form used to "clear" the astronauts back into Honolulu.
>
>
> Forgot:
>
> 2 commemorative coins from Apollo 15 telling how our video transmitter was
> used for the first live mobile video from Lunar Rover I.
>
>
> I'll mail the coins later. Enjoy.
>
> Jim
>
>
>

Who was the VERY young engineer? :-)

Matt

[Jay Honeck]

> Package inbound. Contents:

<Snipped Cool Stuff>

Wow! Thanks, Jim.

Our upcoming Apollo Suite will be one for the books, thanks to your
contributions!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

I believe the collision of the Corsair and the Bearcat a few years ago
was a loss of situational awareness. The FAA hands over the field to
EAA during the airshow, and the various coordinators of the airshow
manage the launch, timing, form-up and recovery of the airshow
participants (managed by EAA "showcase" along with warbirds). Neither
the orange shirts, or the pink shirts are out there during the airshow.

The Corsair vs. Bearcat was a tragic accident, and I think it was
because one thought the other was taking off, rather than just taxiing
forward. And he went. Many saw what happened next.

Sad.
I know the Corsair pilot lived, but was paralyzed (or something to that
affect). Does anyone know any update???
-Ryan
Co-chair, Flight Line Ops

George Patterson wrote:
> Dave Stadt wrote:
> >
> > The guy on the radio is an FAA controller. The guy with the flag
is a
> > volunteer. Damnit out ranks a flag.
>
> That's an example of the attitude that destroyed a priceless Corsair
a few years
> back.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Our upcoming Apollo Suite will be one for the books, thanks to your
> contributions!


I'm seeing an entire wall (painting) of Mission Control specialists peeking
over the top of their work stations - looking into the suite ...back at the
guests.

Too conceptual? :-)(-:

(Leave the date fields blank)
http://tinyurl.com/4hj2d
Life magazine covers: Keyword - Apollo

http://tinyurl.com/6arue
Life magazine covers: Keyword - astronauts

http://tinyurl.com/4b6ek
Life magazine covers: Keyword - moon

http://www.life.com/Life/search/covers
Fun site to go to and reminisce.

I have an older sister, who in high school cut the covers off every Life
magazines that came into the house and taped them to her bedroom walls -
hundreds of covers over a number of years. I think it's something kids did
back then. I'm guessing 1967-1971. (I was in first grade when the "wall
covers" went up)


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Our upcoming Apollo Suite will be one for the books, thanks to your
> contributions!


Will it be finished before 'this decade is out?' <g>

http://www.jfklibrary.org/j052561.htm#sound
JFK Space speech in 1961 IX. SPACE (with sound)

Good luck with your Apollo project.


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

>> Our upcoming Apollo Suite will be one for the books, thanks to your
>> contributions!
>
>
> Will it be finished before 'this decade is out?' <g>

Hopefully before OSH '05!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[RST Engineering]

Wouldn't that sort of...ummm...inhibit the activities of the suite
inhabitants? I mean, I'm not particularly opposed to voyeurism, but the
whole damned mission control watching?

"Liftoff, we have LIFTOFF". "We have orbit insertion".

Jim






"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> Our upcoming Apollo Suite will be one for the books, thanks to your
>> contributions!
>
>
> I'm seeing an entire wall (painting) of Mission Control specialists
> peeking
> over the top of their work stations - looking into the suite ...back at
> the
> guests.

[George Patterson]

Montblack wrote:
>
> I'm seeing an entire wall (painting) of Mission Control specialists peeking
> over the top of their work stations - looking into the suite ...back at the
> guests.

"Houston - ahh - we have a problem."

George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[Montblack]

("RST Engineering" wrote)
> Wouldn't that sort of...ummm...inhibit the activities of the suite
> inhabitants? I mean, I'm not particularly opposed to voyeurism, but the
> whole damned mission control watching?
>
> "Liftoff, we have LIFTOFF". "We have orbit insertion".


Not tonight Apollo 10. I have a headache.

Dang it ...and I was 'this' close!!


Montblack

[Morgans]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> Package inbound. Contents:
>
> Diode cases ...ect...

Damn, Jim! Is there a way to put some pictures up of all that stuff? I for
one, would love to see them. But I guess now that Jay is about to get them,
that would be up to him. How 'bout it, Jay? Could you take some pics and
post them on your site?

You must be older than dirt! I was an eleven year old, that spent countless
hours sitting in a tree, with a model lander on a long kite string, doing my
own lunar landings. <g>

I saw all of the space stuff at the Air and Space Museum, later in life, and
could not believe how frail all of those space ships looked. It was hard to
believe they could even hold in atmosphere with out busting.

I, for one, still remember where I was when they landed, and walked on the
moon. Many others remember that landmark day like yesterday, I understand.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> Damn, Jim! Is there a way to put some pictures up of all that stuff? I
> for
> one, would love to see them. But I guess now that Jay is about to get
> them,
> that would be up to him. How 'bout it, Jay? Could you take some pics and
> post them on your site?

Absolutely!

> I, for one, still remember where I was when they landed, and walked on the
> moon. Many others remember that landmark day like yesterday, I
> understand.

Me, too. I was also 11 years old, and at YMCA summer camp. The counselors
let us stay up late to watch it -- on a single, black & white TV with rabbit
ear antenna.

Needless to say, 200 kids crowded around a fuzzy picture in the mess hall
was something to remember!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Me, too. I was also 11 years old, and at YMCA summer camp. The
> counselors let us stay up late to watch it -- on a single, black & white
> TV with rabbit ear antenna.


9 years old, hardwood floor - three across, each with our own pillow. Adults
and older kids got the furniture.

Mom was not too happy with us kids when we woke up our baby brother so he
could (someday) say, "I saw the moon landing." He was 6 months old at the
time <g>.


Montblack

[Bob Noel]

In article <qFM1e.113005$Ze3.110815@attbi_s51>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Needless to say, 200 kids crowded around a fuzzy picture in the mess hall
> was something to remember!

The landing and walk were something to remember.

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Montblack" > wrote:

> > Our upcoming Apollo Suite will be one for the books, thanks to your
> > contributions!
>
> I'm seeing an entire wall (painting) of Mission Control specialists peeking
> over the top of their work stations - looking into the suite ...back at the
> guests.

how about having them look at something else? Like a launch, or something
really different like the Wright brother's first flight?

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[RST Engineering]

Not really, just a matter of being in the right place at the right time. I
graduated in 1967 and due to the fact that I had several years of
VHF/UHF/radar experience with the airlines, I got my pick of half a dozen
RF/microwave companies in San Diego. Ryan promised me a microwave job in
the Apollo lab and I jumped at it. A few years later I found out that
Conic was making this experimental TV transmitter for Apollo 15 and I jumped
at that. Shortly thereafter I started RST and dropped out of the aerospace
ratrace.

I guess I was 25 when Apollo 11 landed...I remember that the flying club had
scheduled a lunch on Catalina Island that day and I knew I had to be home by
early afternoon to hear the touchdown...as I vaguely recall, they touched
down around 5 pm PDT. Did I get that right?

Jim



> You must be older than dirt! I was an eleven year old, that spent
> countless
> hours sitting in a tree, with a model lander on a long kite string, doing
> my
> own lunar landings. <g>

[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:
>
> I, for one, still remember where I was when they landed, and walked on the
> moon. Many others remember that landmark day like yesterday, I understand.

Well, not like *yesterday*. I was a student at the University of Tennessee. No
TV set. I found a business with a TV set near the window and watched it from the
street.

George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[George Patterson]

RST Engineering wrote:
>
> ...as I vaguely recall, they touched
> down around 5 pm PDT. Did I get that right?

Sounds about right. As I recall, it was late evening in East Tennessee.

George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

[Montblack]

("RST Engineering" wrote)
> I guess I was 25 when Apollo 11 landed...I remember that the flying club
> had scheduled a lunch on Catalina Island that day and I knew I had to be
> home by early afternoon to hear the touchdown...as I vaguely recall, they
> touched down around 5 pm PDT. Did I get that right?


http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo11info.html

Launched: 16 July 1969 UT 13:32:00 (09:32:00 a.m. EDT)

Landed on Moon: 20 July 1969 UT 20:17:40 (04:17:40 p.m. EDT)

Returned to Earth: 24 July 1969 UT 16:50:35 (12:50:35 p.m. EDT)

(from the website)
The Apollo 11 extravehicular activity (EVA) began at 10:39:33 p.m. EDT on
July 20, 1969. Astronaut Neil Armstrong emerged from the spacecraft first.
While descending, he released the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly on
the Lunar Module's descent stage. A camera on this module provided live
television coverage of man's first step on the Moon. On this, their one and
only EVA, the astronauts had a great deal to do in a short time. During this
first visit to the Moon, the astronauts remained within about 100 meters of
the lunar module, collected about 47 pounds of samples, and deployed four
experiments. After spending approximately 2 hours and 31 minutes on the
surface, the astronauts ended the EVA at 1:11:13 a.m. EDT on July 21.


Much like TV's coverage of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in
Chicago the summer before - you try to stay up all night, but still have
your pillow handy just in case. Age 8 in 1968. Age 9 in 1969. Good times.
Good times :-)


Montblack

[Gig 601XL Builder]

I remember it well. I was 7 and that was the latest I had ever stayed up
when not getting home from a trip. I watched every moment of the EVA and
never even started nodding off. In fact I'd bet Armstrong was asleep after
the walk before I was. I thought it was the coolest thing ever to happen.

Looking back... I was right.

Gig



"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("RST Engineering" wrote)
>> I guess I was 25 when Apollo 11 landed...I remember that the flying club
>> had scheduled a lunch on Catalina Island that day and I knew I had to be
>> home by early afternoon to hear the touchdown...as I vaguely recall, they
>> touched down around 5 pm PDT. Did I get that right?
>
>
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo11info.html
>
> Launched: 16 July 1969 UT 13:32:00 (09:32:00 a.m. EDT)
>
> Landed on Moon: 20 July 1969 UT 20:17:40 (04:17:40 p.m. EDT)
>
> Returned to Earth: 24 July 1969 UT 16:50:35 (12:50:35 p.m. EDT)
>
> (from the website)
> The Apollo 11 extravehicular activity (EVA) began at 10:39:33 p.m. EDT on
> July 20, 1969. Astronaut Neil Armstrong emerged from the spacecraft first.
> While descending, he released the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly
> on the Lunar Module's descent stage. A camera on this module provided live
> television coverage of man's first step on the Moon. On this, their one
> and only EVA, the astronauts had a great deal to do in a short time.
> During this first visit to the Moon, the astronauts remained within about
> 100 meters of the lunar module, collected about 47 pounds of samples, and
> deployed four experiments. After spending approximately 2 hours and 31
> minutes on the surface, the astronauts ended the EVA at 1:11:13 a.m. EDT
> on July 21.
>
>
> Much like TV's coverage of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in
> Chicago the summer before - you try to stay up all night, but still have
> your pillow handy just in case. Age 8 in 1968. Age 9 in 1969. Good times.
> Good times :-)
>
>
> Montblack

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
> Well, not like *yesterday*. I was a student at the University of
> Tennessee. No
> TV set. I found a business with a TV set near the window and watched it
> from the
> street.


I'm 45 and still call them TV sets. I wonder if there's a 20 year old in the
country who's ever used that term? <g>

I catch myself calling tires steel belted radials. Microwave oven is another
one.

Armstrong on the moon was 36 years ago...

Let's see -- I graduated HS in 1978. So '36 years ago' from that would be
1942. (time-perspective game I sometimes play)


Montblack

[jsmith]

My mother gave me some more of my "stuff" yesterday at our Easter gathering.
One of the items is the front section of the Wednesday morning, February
21, 1962 CINCINNATI ENQUIRER.
The headline reads:
KENNEDY TO MAKE CANAVERAL TRIP TO GIVE GLENN NATION'S THANKS
US sets more flights; Slayton to get next try

This also from the back page...
Prince Charles, heir to the British throne may become a bricklayer when
he enters Gordonstoun School in May, it was reported yesterday. The
13-year old prince who is recovering from an appendectomy may help build
a new school chapel along with other boys there the Daily Sketch said.

[Grumman-581]

"Montblack" wrote in message ...
> Microwave oven is another one.

Nawh, if you called 'em "radar ranges", then you would be showing your
age...

[Morgans]

"Grumman-581" > wrote
>
> Nawh, if you called 'em "radar ranges", then you would be showing your
> age...
>
Hey, I resemble that remark! My radar range just gave out about two years
ago. Funny thing is that the cooker part still worked, but the electronics
in the control went senile! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Roger]

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:32:06 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> Damn, Jim! Is there a way to put some pictures up of all that stuff? I
>> for
>> one, would love to see them. But I guess now that Jay is about to get
>> them,
>> that would be up to him. How 'bout it, Jay? Could you take some pics and
>> post them on your site?
>
>Absolutely!
>
>> I, for one, still remember where I was when they landed, and walked on the
>> moon. Many others remember that landmark day like yesterday, I
>> understand.
>
>Me, too. I was also 11 years old, and at YMCA summer camp. The counselors
>let us stay up late to watch it -- on a single, black & white TV with rabbit
>ear antenna.
>
Have you ever been down to the cape and gone through the old launch
control facility? When I was there it was completely in tact and they
staged a launch. I don't know what they used for low frequency
speakers but you thought you "were there". The whole place shook and
there was hardly a dry eye in the place.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>Needless to say, 200 kids crowded around a fuzzy picture in the mess hall
>was something to remember!

[Jay Honeck]

>> Nawh, if you called 'em "radar ranges", then you would be showing your
>> age...
>>
> Hey, I resemble that remark! My radar range just gave out about two years
> ago. Funny thing is that the cooker part still worked, but the
> electronics
> in the control went senile! <g>

Hey -- we use an Amana (built just 20 miles from here) Radar Range every
day!

It's now 26 years old, and going strong.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>I remember it well. I was 7 and that was the latest I had ever stayed up
>when not getting home from a trip. I watched every moment of the EVA and
>never even started nodding off. In fact I'd bet Armstrong was asleep after
>the walk before I was. I thought it was the coolest thing ever to happen.
>
> Looking back... I was right.

Amen, brother.

We can only hope that the current push for Mars can keep momentum. I sense
that it's already slipping into the "whatever" category amongst the
political class.

I'm afraid real space exploration will have to await other people with more
balls than we Americans have left.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Have you ever been down to the cape and gone through the old launch
> control facility? When I was there it was completely in tact and they
> staged a launch. I don't know what they used for low frequency
> speakers but you thought you "were there". The whole place shook and
> there was hardly a dry eye in the place.

Just got back from there two weeks ago. It was awesome!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

The Eagle has landed!

Got the stuff in the mail yesterday, Jim. Thanks a million!

Any suggestions on how to properly display the instrument and diode boxes?
I was thinking about drilling a 3-inch hole in the wall, and inserting the
instrument...

And who *is* that young buck in those photos?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Hey Jay - YMCA Camp in Wisconsin? Which one? I met my wife at one.

Randy

[Dave Butler]

Montblack wrote:

> Mom was not too happy with us kids when we woke up our baby brother so
> he could (someday) say, "I saw the moon landing." He was 6 months old at
> the time <g>.

Heh. I did the same with my 3 month old daughter. She now says she's glad I did.

[Grumman-581]

" wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hey Jay - YMCA Camp in Wisconsin? Which one? I met my wife at one.

You met your *wife* in a Y*M*CA camp? Uhhh... You wouldn't prehaps be from
San Francisco, would you? <snicker>

[SFM]

Not to disapoint you but the Apollo launch control down there is a
re-creation from equipment in the orginal firing rooms. When I was working
there they moved all that gear to that spot from the real firing rooms which
were redone to accomadate the shuttle firing rooms in the LCC. It is still
pretty cool and that building was used to house simulators so that the crews
could continue to practice up until launch day.

I worked at KSC for the first seven shuttle missions and it was really neat
getting to see that stuff up close and personal. I met a couple of
astronauts and people who had worked on Apollo but I had a really surreal
experience last November. I know work for a large telecom company and they
had invited a speaker to come a talk to us. The secretary knowing of passion
for space stuff and that I had worked there asked if I could drive the our
guest speaker around and spend the afternoon with him to ensure he had all
he needed, the speaker was Alan Bean for Apollo 12.

It was a great afternoon and I got several hours of one on one time with him
but the really surreal part was when I took him into our museum specifically
to the display on Apollo gear that we had made. While we were looking at the
gear he saw a transponder that was installed in an ALSAP experiment package.
I said I was not sure what the ALSAP was but he knew, of course, and then
said that the picture of the astronaut carrying the experiment package on
the moon with eh item was him. It really made me feel strange to think that
here was that guy standing right next to me.

I got a nice picture of Capt. Bean and me plus he autographed a print of one
of his paintings. A very cool day and my best day at work for that company
in over 15 years.

Scott



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"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Dnd2e.115872$Ze3.44167@attbi_s51...
> > Have you ever been down to the cape and gone through the old launch
> > control facility? When I was there it was completely in tact and they
> > staged a launch. I don't know what they used for low frequency
> > speakers but you thought you "were there". The whole place shook and
> > there was hardly a dry eye in the place.
>
> Just got back from there two weeks ago. It was awesome!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Hey Jay - YMCA Camp in Wisconsin? Which one? I met my wife at one.

Camp Anokojig, circa 1969.

I don't recall seeing any girls there, quite frankly!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Not to disapoint you but the Apollo launch control down there is a
> re-creation from equipment in the orginal firing rooms.

Yeah, they do mention that in the tour. The equipment is real, and
original -- it's just all been moved into a different room.

> It was a great afternoon and I got several hours of one on one time with
> him
> but the really surreal part was when I took him into our museum
> specifically
> to the display on Apollo gear that we had made. While we were looking at
> the
> gear he saw a transponder that was installed in an ALSAP experiment
> package.
> I said I was not sure what the ALSAP was but he knew, of course, and then
> said that the picture of the astronaut carrying the experiment package on
> the moon with eh item was him. It really made me feel strange to think
> that
> here was that guy standing right next to me.

That is so cool. Who would ever have thought, back in those heady days,
that there would only be a handful of guys to ever land on the moon?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Hey Jay - YMCA Camp in Wisconsin? Which one? I met my wife at one.
>
>
> Camp Anokojig, circa 1969.
>
> I don't recall seeing any girls there, quite frankly!

If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind, and you run across
a girl scout who is similarly inclined, don't ne nervous, don't be worried,
don't be scared -- be prepared! Tom Lehrer

George Patterson
Whosoever bloweth not his own horn, the same shall remain unblown.

[[email protected]]

Thanks, Jay. My wife would have been 3 y/o - not likey a Y-camp staff
:-) She was at Icaghowan, near Amery.

[Dave Butler]

George Patterson wrote:

> If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind, and you run
> across a girl scout who is similarly inclined, don't ne nervous, don't
> be worried, don't be scared -- be prepared! Tom Lehrer

Har! Thanks, George. I don't want to admit the number of years that have elapsed
since I last heard that ditty.

Also, on the subject of Apollo stuff... there used to be a sort of museum at
Florence, SC on the airport. Calling it a museum perhaps gives it more dignity
than it deserves. It was really just a pile of interesting old junk. Included
amongst the objects there were some things that looked like the consoles for the
Apollo program. I think that "museum" isn't there any more, but I'm not sure. It
was there ~15 years ago.

Dave

[Jay Honeck]

> Also, on the subject of Apollo stuff... there used to be a sort of museum
> at Florence, SC on the airport. Calling it a museum perhaps gives it more
> dignity than it deserves. It was really just a pile of interesting old
> junk. Included amongst the objects there were some things that looked like
> the consoles for the Apollo program. I think that "museum" isn't there any
> more, but I'm not sure. It was there ~15 years ago.

I'm always amazed by how haphazard we are with our priceless history. A
few years ago we randomly landed at an airfield near Springfield, IL, and
were astounded to find a really cool museum of World War II "stuff".

It was obviously someone's personal collection, and that "someone" was
apparently dead, judging by the condition of the displays, and the general
lack of maintenance (or even anyone in attendance). Here were all these
priceless artifacts, untended, rotting away at some grass strip in
Illinois... One fire, or even a casual vandal, and *poof* there goes a
bunch of irreplaceable history.

Another example: There is apparently no "Airmail Museum" in America.
Anyone who knows the amazing history of the airmail pilots and planes must
surely be astounded by this gaping hole in our aviation history, and I've
often wondered at how this travesty has been allowed to happen.

Perhaps it's because aviation is still so new, but in 500 years people will
be surely be cursing us for so casually discarding much of the early legacy
of flight.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[kage]

> Another example: There is apparently no "Airmail Museum" in America.
> Anyone who knows the amazing history of the airmail pilots and planes must
> surely be astounded by this gaping hole in our aviation history, and I've
> often wondered at how this travesty has been allowed to happen.
>
> Perhaps it's because aviation is still so new, but in 500 years people
> will be surely be cursing us for so casually discarding much of the early
> legacy of flight.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I was fortunate to spend an afternoon with Hal Ruschenberg about 20 years
ago. He was one of the 10 original Northwest pilots. They flew the mail and
wore full leathers and a Colt 45. His airplane was a Rearwin Special and of
the 10 pilots he was the only man to survive. He had a picture of the 10
pilots and pointed to each and told of their demise.

Hal was a close friend of Benny Howard, who built the Howard DGA airplanes.
He had several fantastic stories about the early days and of flight testing
the Howard airplanes. Hal retired out of Boeing Stratocruisers and lived in
Hamilton Montana. He had the flight manual to a Stratocruiser, it had less
information in it than you'sd see in a Cherokee's manual. Hal didn't see any
need to stop at stop signs while driving out to the Hamilton Airport to see
his gorgeous DGA-11. He died a couple of months later.

One never knows what history is lurking behind some old man sitting around
the airport.

Karl

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:36:33 GMT, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> ... Perhaps it's because aviation is still so new, but in 500 years people will
>be surely be cursing us for so casually discarding much of the early legacy
>of flight.

I belong to The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (TIGHAR)
<http://www.tighar.org>.

For the last 16 years, TIGHAR's work has been dominated by trying to
find evidence to back their theory of where Amelia Earhart and Fred
Noonan ended up. But the organization is dedicated to the larger
task of making sure that historic aircraft "escape the teeth of time and
the hands of mistaken zeal" <http://tighar.org/Projects/Histpres/HistPres.html>.

In 2004, TIGHAR did a survey of five WW II wrecks in the Jaluit lagoon:
<http://tighar.org/Projects/Devastator/devdescrip.htm>.

There are links from TIGHAR's website to other preservation groups.

Marty

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
> Another example: There is apparently no "Airmail Museum" in America.
> Anyone who knows the amazing history of the airmail pilots and planes must
> surely be astounded by this gaping hole in our aviation history, and I've
> often wondered at how this travesty has been allowed to happen.
>
> Perhaps it's because aviation is still so new, but in 500 years people
will
> be surely be cursing us for so casually discarding much of the early
legacy
> of flight.
> --
> Jay Honeck

I recall going through someplace that had to do with making stamps, (I
think) and they had several aircraft and displays about early airmail. I'll
be damned if I remember where, but I think it was in Washington.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> I recall going through someplace that had to do with making stamps, (I
> think) and they had several aircraft and displays about early airmail.
> I'll
> be damned if I remember where, but I think it was in Washington

Dang, Jim, if you can remember where it is, please post it. I've searched,
and found nada.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

> Dang, Jim, if you can remember where it is, please post it. I've
> searched, and found nada.


A couple of old Mail Planes were on the 2003 National Air Tour - you have a
photo of one on your site.

There. A flying museum :-)

http://www.nationalairtour.org/pilotplanespeople/aircraft_info.cfm?aircraft_id=15

http://tinyurl.com/563av
(same link as above)


Montblack