Pilatus accident kills six in Central Pennsylvania

[Peter]

"BENNER TOWNSHIP -- Six people were killed Saturday when a
single-engine airplane en route to University Park Airport
crashed within yards of the new Centre County Correctional
Facility.

Pilot Jeffrey Jacober and his five passengers, all of Providence,
R.I., reportedly were returning from Florida and planned to stop
and see a lacrosse game at University Park, family attorney Carl
Freedman said. The pilot's son, 21-year-old Michael Jacober, who
was not on the plane, is a captain of Penn State's lacrosse
team." CENTRE DAILLY 3/27/2005

Article: http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/11240598.htm

accident aircraft interior/exterior pictures:
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N770G

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that friggin sucks. kid lost his whole family. I am anxious to hear
what happened.

[vincent p. norris]

>that friggin sucks. kid lost his whole family.

That occurred about eight miles from here.Nothing but speculation so
far.

It certainly is tragic, but the kid does have a surviving older
brother in D.C.

The experienced pilot was reportedly intending to land at UNV, and was
only about two miles from it, but (according to a credible witness)
was heading away from it. Stalled and spun. Surface temps were just
about freezing and there was an overcast, but I don't know how high
the ceiling was.

As the local paper reported it, the witness saw the a/c stall, if that
is correct, it stalled in VMC, below the overcast.

A local airport operator, NOT UNV, gave a know-it-all interview to a
local TV station, saying it was icing. Perhaps the NTSB should hire
him and save a lot of expense on accident investigations.

vince norris

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We got the news of this accident a few days ago . . . the pilot, Mr.
Jacober, was a well-known Angel Flight NE pilot. Sad day for all of
us.

[vincent p. norris]

According to a story in today's paper, three a/c inbound to UNV
declared emergencies due to icing on the afternoon of the accident.
One, not quite half an hour before the crash, one about half an hour
after the crash, and one later. Those three landed safely.

Coincidentally, an FAA Safety Meeting was held at UNV this evening.
It was pointed out that not one of the surviving pilots gave a PIREP
to AOO, the nearest AFSS.

In the discussions that followed, both the senior briefer at AOO and a
representative of the Harrisburg FSDO inissted that no one would be
"turned in" for giving such a PIREP.

vince norris

[Gary Drescher]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> According to a story in today's paper, three a/c inbound to UNV
> declared emergencies due to icing on the afternoon of the accident.
> One, not quite half an hour before the crash, one about half an hour
> after the crash, and one later. Those three landed safely.
>
> Coincidentally, an FAA Safety Meeting was held at UNV this evening.
> It was pointed out that not one of the surviving pilots gave a PIREP
> to AOO, the nearest AFSS.
>
> In the discussions that followed, both the senior briefer at AOO and a
> representative of the Harrisburg FSDO inissted that no one would be
> "turned in" for giving such a PIREP.

Hm, so there's no provision for ATC to report to FSS when someone declares
an icing emergency?

[Mike W.]

> In the discussions that followed, both the senior briefer at AOO and a
> representative of the Harrisburg FSDO inissted that no one would be
> "turned in" for giving such a PIREP.
>
> vince norris

Why would anyone get turned in (whatever that means) for a PIREP?

[vincent p. norris]

>Hm, so there's no provision for ATC to report to FSS when someone declares
>an icing emergency?

That would seem to have been the case in this instance, at least.

But I recall that about 20 years ago, I encountered clear ice so bad
in a Cherokee that I was down to 80 kts with full power and could
barely maintain altitude; so I told ATC I had to land and diverted to
Williamsport, PA.

After I landed and had a cup of coffee, I went into the FSS to see if
the wx was improving, and along with reports of icing, I was told that
one pilot had been forced to divert (no airport mentioned). It took
me a few moments to realize they were talking about me!

vince norris

[john smith]

Welcome to the Alleghany Ice Machine!
Go back and read your Ernest Gann.
Between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, there is always the probability of
icing nine months of the year.

vincent p. norris wrote:
>>Hm, so there's no provision for ATC to report to FSS when someone declares
>>an icing emergency?

> That would seem to have been the case in this instance, at least.
> But I recall that about 20 years ago, I encountered clear ice so bad
> in a Cherokee that I was down to 80 kts with full power and could
> barely maintain altitude; so I told ATC I had to land and diverted to
> Williamsport, PA.
> After I landed and had a cup of coffee, I went into the FSS to see if
> the wx was improving, and along with reports of icing, I was told that
> one pilot had been forced to divert (no airport mentioned). It took
> me a few moments to realize they were talking about me!

[Gary Drescher]

"Mike W." > wrote in message
...
>> In the discussions that followed, both the senior briefer at AOO and a
>> representative of the Harrisburg FSDO inissted that no one would be
>> "turned in" for giving such a PIREP.
>>
>> vince norris
>
> Why would anyone get turned in (whatever that means) for a PIREP?

I think the suggestion is that the pilot might be suspected of having flown
in known icing conditions.

--Gary

[Jay Honeck]

> It certainly is tragic, but the kid does have a surviving older
> brother in D.C.

God, these things are awful. As part of our string of three fatal accidents
last week (all within 48 hours!) here in Iowa, one was a Cherokee 235 that
crashed on take-off, killing three out of four family members.

The sole survivor, an 8-year old girl, was thrown clear of the wreckage but
suffered burns over 80% of her body. She may survive, although she may wish
she hadn't.

Of the three, this one really hit home for Mary and me, as the "family on
board" scenario is so similar to ours. No one's quite sure what happened,
but it appears that the 28 year old pilot veered off the runway during
take-off, for unknown reasons (strong cross-wind?), and then balled it up.
With 84 gallons of gas on board, a 235 apparently makes a big bang.

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
<snip>
> The sole survivor, an 8-year old girl, was thrown clear of the wreckage
> but suffered burns over 80% of her body. She may survive, although she
> may wish she hadn't.


I dumped a full skillet of spitting HOT bacon grease on my upper thigh (Quad
area) when I was 11 - while camping. Burn area was the size of a modern CD
disk. A large water blister formed that was the size of a 1 quart zip-lock
baggie ...full of water. That blisted would slosh from side to side when I
was on my back. It popped after a few days of me playing with it.

Most painful thing that I've ever been through. I can still almost feel that
day's "arrrggg" 35 years later.

I still tear up when I see the Vietnam War photo of the little girl running
down the road, her cloths, and most of her skin, burned off by napalm
.....my burn was so so so so small compared to that.

85%. I can't even imagine that hell.


Montblack

[Happy Dog]

"Montblack" >

> I still tear up when I see the Vietnam War photo of the little girl
> running
> down the road, her cloths, and most of her skin, burned off by napalm
> ....my burn was so so so so small compared to that.

Actually, she turned out just fine. (No small amount of luck, though.)
Lives near me now.

moo

[vincent p. norris]

>Welcome to the Alleghany Ice Machine!
>Go back and read your Ernest Gann.

I don't have to! I started flying in PA in 1946 and have been flying
in PA since then, except when in the Marines.

>Between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, there is always the probability of
>icing nine months of the year.

Well, yes, but in some of those nine months the probability is not
much more than .01. Spring is the worst, for reasons you all know.

The incident I described occurred on April 6, about 20 years ago.
It was the only significant icing experience I ever had.

vince norris

[vincent p. norris]

>Actually, she turned out just fine. (No small amount of luck, though.)
>Lives near me now.

I remember that photo. Nice to get a bit of good news in this sad
thread.

vince norris

[Frank Ch. Eigler]

"Happy Dog" > writes:

> > I still tear up when I see the Vietnam War photo of the little
> > girl running down the road, her cloths, and most of her skin,
> > burned off by napalm ....my burn was so so so so small compared to
> > that.
>
> Actually, she turned out just fine. [...]

Is that because she was not actually burned much or at all? A close
look at the picture doesn't show any obvious damage. A bit of
googling also indicates that there is quite some mythology and
propaganda associated with it.


- FChE

[Happy Dog]

"Frank Ch. Eigler" > wrote in message

>> > I still tear up when I see the Vietnam War photo of the little
>> > girl running down the road, her cloths, and most of her skin,
>> > burned off by napalm ....my burn was so so so so small compared to
>> > that.
>>
>> Actually, she turned out just fine. [...]
>
> Is that because she was not actually burned much or at all? A close
> look at the picture doesn't show any obvious damage. A bit of
> googling also indicates that there is quite some mythology and
> propaganda associated with it.

There is. Wasn't much fun either way though.

moo

[Bob Chilcoat]

Kim Phuc: http://www.kimfoundation.com/en/ she now runs a foundation.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Happy Dog" > wrote in message
...
> "Frank Ch. Eigler" > wrote in message
>
> >> > I still tear up when I see the Vietnam War photo of the little
> >> > girl running down the road, her cloths, and most of her skin,
> >> > burned off by napalm ....my burn was so so so so small compared to
> >> > that.
> >>
> >> Actually, she turned out just fine. [...]
> >
> > Is that because she was not actually burned much or at all? A close
> > look at the picture doesn't show any obvious damage. A bit of
> > googling also indicates that there is quite some mythology and
> > propaganda associated with it.
>
> There is. Wasn't much fun either way though.
>
> moo
>
>