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https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
Stephen Szikora
March 16th 20, 05:34 PM
But pilots practice social distancing ... we call it collision avoidance!
Senna Van den Bosch
March 16th 20, 06:33 PM
Op maandag 16 maart 2020 15:53:21 UTC+1 schreef :
> https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
The LVZC in Belgium (organization of all gliding clubs in Belgium) wrote a letter to all clubs to stop all activities for at least a month. The season is starting in 2 weeks, going to be very busy with check rides when we can finally operate again.
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 6:33:20 PM UTC, Senna Van den Bosch wrote
>
> The LVZC in Belgium (organization of all gliding clubs in Belgium) wrote a letter to all clubs to stop all activities for at least a month. The season is starting in 2 weeks, going to be very busy with check rides when we can finally operate again.
at least! - there is little logic in closing for a month. If a cessation of a group activity is deemed necessary then it will have to be for several months. There is no way this is going to be disappearing in a month in any European country.
Tango Eight
March 16th 20, 08:04 PM
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 3:25:14 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 6:33:20 PM UTC, Senna Van den Bosch wrote
> >
> > The LVZC in Belgium (organization of all gliding clubs in Belgium) wrote a letter to all clubs to stop all activities for at least a month. The season is starting in 2 weeks, going to be very busy with check rides when we can finally operate again.
>
> at least! - there is little logic in closing for a month. If a cessation of a group activity is deemed necessary then it will have to be for several months. There is no way this is going to be disappearing in a month in any European country.
It disappears when R0 goes below 1.0 and stays there.
It seems terribly unlikely that social distancing alone will do that. Development of herd immunity is likely the only long term solution, and that either means a successful vaccine or an awful lot of people getting sick.
Get some sun / make some vitamin D. Even if you think that's quackery, it'll still feel good :-).
T8
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:04:54 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 3:25:14 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 6:33:20 PM UTC, Senna Van den Bosch wrote
> > >
> > > The LVZC in Belgium (organization of all gliding clubs in Belgium) wrote a letter to all clubs to stop all activities for at least a month. The season is starting in 2 weeks, going to be very busy with check rides when we can finally operate again.
> >
> > at least! - there is little logic in closing for a month. If a cessation of a group activity is deemed necessary then it will have to be for several months. There is no way this is going to be disappearing in a month in any European country.
>
> It disappears when R0 goes below 1.0 and stays there.
>
> It seems terribly unlikely that social distancing alone will do that. Development of herd immunity is likely the only long term solution, and that either means a successful vaccine or an awful lot of people getting sick.
>
> Get some sun / make some vitamin D. Even if you think that's quackery, it'll still feel good :-).
>
> T8
And sleep. Being short on sleep will kill ya or let the bugs kill ya.
George Haeh
March 16th 20, 11:14 PM
You're much more likely to pick up an infection at the grocery store than outdoors at a glider field.
Wouldn't hurt to wipe controls when changing pilots.
The most suspect location will be the clubhouse and other interior spaces.
There's a good chance this new virus will become endemic.
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
There is one activity that all this isolation and directives to stay at home that no one has recognized.
We can catt it the Trumper or Trumpet generation.
Bruce Patton
Waiting for Spring to be sprung
Jonathan St. Cloud
March 17th 20, 01:47 PM
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:14:12 PM UTC-7, George Haeh wrote:
> You're much more likely to pick up an infection at the grocery store than outdoors at a glider field.
>
> Wouldn't hurt to wipe controls when changing pilots.
>
> The most suspect location will be the clubhouse and other interior spaces.
>
> There's a good chance this new virus will become endemic.
This is hilarious! RAS, the place where you can get some very questionable advise on soaring, sometimes even distributed by me, is now advancing medical advice. Let me get pen and paper to copy that down.
Tony[_5_]
March 17th 20, 06:14 PM
Region 5 North at Perry cancelled
Tony don’t you dare cancel the 1-26 champs!! lol we will do our pilot meetings via email if we need to like the Seniors are doing now in FL.
Dan
Bert Van Eyken
March 18th 20, 04:30 PM
Belgian Airspace closed for all VFR traffic until 05/04 1100LOC.
John Godfrey (QT)[_2_]
March 18th 20, 05:12 PM
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
“When you are dealing with a virus outbreak, you’re always behind where you think you are,” Fauci said. “So therefore, you’ve got to jump ahead and stay ahead of the curve.”
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 1:12:55 PM UTC-4, John Godfrey (QT) wrote:
> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
>
> “When you are dealing with a virus outbreak, you’re always behind where you think you are,” Fauci said. “So therefore, you’ve got to jump ahead and stay ahead of the curve.”
>
> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.
They think they sound smart. I've an idea. To get ahead of the virus let's just jump to cremating the living.
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:14:12 PM UTC-7, George Haeh wrote:
> You're much more likely to pick up an infection at the grocery store than outdoors at a glider field.
>
> Wouldn't hurt to wipe controls when changing pilots.
>
> The most suspect location will be the clubhouse and other interior spaces.
>
> There's a good chance this new virus will become endemic.
Solo flying in gliders and towplanes can comply with social distancing (6ft recommended in Nevada). Dual flying in gliders is more marginal. Dual flying in power planes with side-by-side seating doesn't satisfy social distancing.
Tim Newport-Peace[_6_]
March 19th 20, 05:13 PM
At 16:48 19 March 2020, wrote:
>On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:14:12 PM UTC-7, George Haeh wrote:
>> You're much more likely to pick up an infection at the grocery store
than
>outdoors at a glider field.
>>
>> Wouldn't hurt to wipe controls when changing pilots.
>>
>> The most suspect location will be the clubhouse and other interior
>spaces.
>>
>> There's a good chance this new virus will become endemic.
>
>Solo flying in gliders and towplanes can comply with social distancing
(6ft
>recommended in Nevada). Dual flying in gliders is more marginal. Dual
>flying in power planes with side-by-side seating doesn't satisfy social
>distancing.
>
Even with single-seaters, are you going to Disinfect when changing pilots?
Nick Kennedy[_3_]
March 19th 20, 05:33 PM
Here in Telluride its typical that I go soaring and not interface with anyone.
I leave my house by myself.
Self rig my ship.
Call the towpilot on the phone.
Pushout by myself.
The tug rolls up.
I push my plane out, hook up the rope, get in,self launch.
Fly by myself.
Land by myself.
Pack up by myself.
Go home.
Seems I'm a club of one, monthly club meetings are relatively easy; being Pres, VP, CFO, Safety officer, launch director, maintenance director, bug washer and counselor all in one, makes for low stress, kinda lonely, but no drama.
MNLou
March 19th 20, 06:37 PM
I just received a notice that Air Sailing near Reno is shutting down for at least a month.
Bummer!
Lou
Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas
March 19th 20, 07:07 PM
Marfa Gliders Soaring Center in southwest Texas is open.
Currently no Corona virus cases within 180 miles around the Big Bend area of Texas including the “big city” of Odessa-Midland, except for the long-neck variety of Corona beer.
Taking the usual precautions using Clorox Wipes on towplane headset mic’s, door handles, etc. Hangar doors are open for breezy ventilation.
Enjoying the fresh air and sunshine rather than the stale air and artificial light of bunker isolation, as it was noted that sunshine and fresh air could reduce the effects of the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-1919, when overcrowded hospitals in Europe placed patients into well-ventilated tents outside and moved the cots into the sunshine on nice days. Positive results, per research papers from the National Instiute of Health report and other medical journals.
Maximum fresh air flying in my Schleicher ASK-13 with the convertible open cockpit "Cabriolet" option.
Green grass is sprouting and the Bluebonnet flowers are blooming (the official state flower of Texas.)
Burt Compton, CFIG, Designated Pilot Examiner (anywhere in the USA.), Trustee of the Soaring Safety Foundation, etc.
krasw
March 19th 20, 07:20 PM
On Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:07:21 UTC+2, Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas wrote:
> Marfa Gliders Soaring Center in southwest Texas is open.
>
> Currently no Corona virus cases within 180 miles around the Big Bend area of Texas including the “big city” of Odessa-Midland, except for the long-neck variety of Corona beer.
> Taking the usual precautions using Clorox Wipes on towplane headset mic’s, door handles, etc. Hangar doors are open for breezy ventilation.
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
March 19th 20, 07:39 PM
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 10:33:09 -0700, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> Here in Telluride its typical that I go soaring and not interface with
> anyone.
> I leave my house by myself.
> Self rig my ship.
> Call the towpilot on the phone.
> Pushout by myself.
> The tug rolls up.
> I push my plane out, hook up the rope, get in,self launch.
> Fly by myself.
> Land by myself.
> Pack up by myself.
> Go home.
> Seems I'm a club of one, monthly club meetings are relatively easy;
> being Pres, VP, CFO, Safety officer, launch director, maintenance
> director, bug washer and counselor all in one, makes for low stress,
> kinda lonely, but no drama.
Are you anywhere near Mike Foale? He has a plastic TMG based in those
parts and uses it to explore local wave systems. He flies glider with us
when he's in Cambridge.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
Herrie ten Cate[_2_]
March 19th 20, 10:38 PM
IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR GLIDER PILOTS/GLIDING CLUBS. PLEASE FORWARD.
Listen to Doctor and Southern Ontario Soaring Association (SOSA) President Dale Guenter explain why the SOSA gliding club has shut-down during the COVID-19 crisis.
http://traffic.libsyn.com/thethermalpodcast/The_Thermal_-_COVID-19_EDITION_-_2020-03-19_12.41.mp3
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 12:07:21 PM UTC-7, Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas wrote:
>
Burt, It does seem unnecessary to take precautions when very few infections are present, but the reason why we should is made clear here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxr5uwqsp9s16o4/Why%20act%20early.png?dl=0
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 11:37:33 AM UTC-7, MNLou wrote:
> I just received a notice that Air Sailing near Reno is shutting down for at least a month.
>
> Bummer!
>
> Lou
AS is doing the right thing
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxr5uwqsp9s16o4/Why%20act%20early.png?dl=0
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
Unfortunately our leaders seem illogical, in asking everyone to self-isolate. The critical segment that should self-isolate is the elderly/sick. It really matters little if young/healthy people get the virus, any more than it matters if they get the flu. Asking ALL of society to self-isolate is madness, it will lead to the collapse of our society. Self-isolating the elderly/sick will protect them whilst preserving and intact society.
2G
March 20th 20, 01:29 AM
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 5:45:28 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
>
> Unfortunately our leaders seem illogical, in asking everyone to self-isolate. The critical segment that should self-isolate is the elderly/sick. It really matters little if young/healthy people get the virus, any more than it matters if they get the flu. Asking ALL of society to self-isolate is madness, it will lead to the collapse of our society. Self-isolating the elderly/sick will protect them whilst preserving and intact society.
This is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! Young people can become carriers and infect the elderly (which I am now one of) even if they don't have direct contact with them. The virus can survive 3 days on hard surfaces. An infected person can touch a door handle that dozens of other people use, for example.
Here is a site that provides real-time CV data:
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
Tom
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 6:29:46 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 5:45:28 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
> >
> > Unfortunately our leaders seem illogical, in asking everyone to self-isolate. The critical segment that should self-isolate is the elderly/sick. It really matters little if young/healthy people get the virus, any more than it matters if they get the flu. Asking ALL of society to self-isolate is madness, it will lead to the collapse of our society. Self-isolating the elderly/sick will protect them whilst preserving and intact society.
>
> This is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! Young people can become carriers and infect the elderly (which I am now one of) even if they don't have direct contact with them. The virus can survive 3 days on hard surfaces. An infected person can touch a door handle that dozens of other people use, for example.
>
> Here is a site that provides real-time CV data:
> https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
>
> Tom
Tom, the fact that the young can be carriers, and get the virus, is not the problem. The elderly/sick have significantly greater mortality, and will overload the hospitals. Thus, the focus should be on self-isolation for the elderly/sick.
MNLou
March 20th 20, 02:49 AM
Even without a pandemic, the elderly / sick have greater mortality:)
Lou
MNLou
March 20th 20, 03:05 AM
https://katu.com/news/local/1-in-5-coronavirus-patients-is-between-20-and-44-years-old-cdc-report-finds
Apparently, for some young people, getting the virus is, indeed, serious.
Lou
Duster[_2_]
March 20th 20, 03:16 AM
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 9:49:52 PM UTC-5, MNLou wrote:
> Even without a pandemic, the elderly / sick have greater mortality:)
>
> Lou
Mr. Tow,
2G is spot on. I hope you read up on the basics of epidemiology (i.e., common sense) and not spread this this untruth. Better yet, why not just delete it, please.
Another insanity: Calif Gov Newsom tonight issued a state at home mandate. He claims this was because someone at Johns Hopkins advised him that over half of the state's pop would/could get infected; or 25,500,000 (~765,000 deaths @ 3%) over the next 8 weeks. I'm for almost every measure suggested, but this will create even more panic.
Duster[_2_]
March 20th 20, 03:30 AM
Mr. Tow,
2G is spot on. You made this up, right? Take a minute and read up on the basics of epidemiology (i.e., common sense) and not spread this this untruth. Better yet, why not just delete it, please.
Another insanity: Calif Gov Newsom tonight issued a stay at home mandate. He claims this was because someone at Johns Hopkins advised him that over half of the state's pop would/could get infected; or 25,500,000 people (~765,000 deaths @ 3%) over the next 8 weeks. I'm for almost every measure he issued, but the way he announced it may promote more panic. I can only imagine he pulled Armageddon out of context somehow.
D.
Tango Whisky
March 20th 20, 05:41 AM
Not much willing to learn....
krasw
March 20th 20, 06:44 AM
On Friday, 20 March 2020 07:41:51 UTC+2, Tango Whisky wrote:
> Not much willing to learn....
Yes. My generation will go trough biggest recession since 1930's and pay all this as higher taxes, lost income etc. for the rest of our lives. And for what? To save few more years of life for elderly. What an absolute waist. Insanity.
Eric Munk
March 20th 20, 09:24 AM
>Yes. My generation will go trough biggest recession since 1930's and pay
>all this as higher taxes, lost income etc. for the rest of our lives. And
>for what? To save few more years of life for elderly. What an absolute
>waist. Insanity.
>
May I politely suggest you seriously read into what is happening in Europe,
particularly northern Italy, and reread your posting?
krasw
March 20th 20, 10:28 AM
On Friday, 20 March 2020 11:30:05 UTC+2, Eric Munk wrote:
> >Yes. My generation will go trough biggest recession since 1930's and pay
> >all this as higher taxes, lost income etc. for the rest of our lives. And
> >for what? To save few more years of life for elderly. What an absolute
> >waist. Insanity.
> >
> May I politely suggest you seriously read into what is happening in Europe,
> particularly northern Italy, and reread your posting?
I was referring to individuals in this thread downplaying pandemic. I would very much like to not participate in protecting these idiots.
Blue Whale
March 20th 20, 10:55 AM
After seeing Burt's comments I think everyone should not just watch "The Sunship Game" during their isolation but also the wonderful Gregory Peck movie from 1959 "On the Beach."
John Godfrey (QT)[_2_]
March 20th 20, 12:37 PM
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
Meanwhile in Rome...
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/4u7iT4vqjeU
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
March 20th 20, 01:28 PM
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 03:55:02 -0700, Blue Whale wrote:
> After seeing Burt's comments I think everyone should not just watch "The
> Sunship Game" during their isolation but also the wonderful Gregory Peck
> movie from 1959 "On the Beach."
.... or read the Neville Shute book the movie was based on.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
If you stay home the virus wins. Curfews are the funniest bit, does the virus only hunt at night?
Tango Whisky
March 20th 20, 04:46 PM
If you don't stay home, you're helping the virus to kill others.
Get real.
krasw
March 20th 20, 04:49 PM
On Friday, 20 March 2020 14:37:19 UTC+2, John Godfrey (QT) wrote:
> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
>
> Meanwhile in Rome...
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/4u7iT4vqjeU
They must live in some other planet. FFS.
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:46:14 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> If you don't stay home, you're helping the virus to kill others.
> Get real.
99% of the dead in Italy had previous major illness. We are to crash the world's economy, and worse stop soaring, to increase the lifespan of sick old people by a few months?
Shouldn't we simply isolate at risk old people and let the world keep spinning? I've seen several club's policies and they vary from be smart and if you are concerned stay home, to we're too scared to fly so no one else can either.
One is reasonable the other petty and queer.
Dan Marotta
March 20th 20, 06:31 PM
Hey - I'm "old", but unafraid.* If I get sick I'll cross that bridge then.
In the mean time I'm being what I think is responsible, avoiding crowds
etc, but I'm not quitting flying.* I have a big ticket item due to ship
from Poland TODAY and that is now in doubt.* Any delays will affect a
lot of other stuff through the ripple effect.
This really sucks.
On 3/20/2020 11:50 AM, wrote:
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:46:14 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
>> If you don't stay home, you're helping the virus to kill others.
>> Get real.
> 99% of the dead in Italy had previous major illness. We are to crash the world's economy, and worse stop soaring, to increase the lifespan of sick old people by a few months?
> Shouldn't we simply isolate at risk old people and let the world keep spinning? I've seen several club's policies and they vary from be smart and if you are concerned stay home, to we're too scared to fly so no one else can either.
> One is reasonable the other petty and queer.
--
Dan, 5J
2G
March 20th 20, 08:58 PM
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:46:14 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > If you don't stay home, you're helping the virus to kill others.
> > Get real.
>
> 99% of the dead in Italy had previous major illness. We are to crash the world's economy, and worse stop soaring, to increase the lifespan of sick old people by a few months?
> Shouldn't we simply isolate at risk old people and let the world keep spinning? I've seen several club's policies and they vary from be smart and if you are concerned stay home, to we're too scared to fly so no one else can either.
> One is reasonable the other petty and queer.
If we don't contain this virus now it is very likely we will overwhelm the hospitals that are already near the breaking point. This disease attacks the lungs and you may need intensive care if you contract it as 20% of the cases are severe. Here is just one story of a relatively young person who suffered thru CV (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316?mod=trending_now_3):
Marc Thibault was groggy and surrounded by beeping machines, but he was alert enough to know what it meant when he looked up and saw a priest, wearing protective gear, by his bedside at the Miriam Hospital in Rhode Island.
“Holy cow,” he thought to himself. “I’m 48 years old and I’m getting my last rites.”
Mr. Thibault, one of the first Americans diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, recounted days of pain and fear in his first interview Tuesday, speaking from the intensive-care unit at the Providence hospital where he has been for 13 days, fighting the illness that attacked his lungs. “I was one inch from death,” he said, his voice weary. “No doubt about it. No doubt about it.”
Roughly 80% of Covid-19 cases tend to be mild or moderate, and more than 62,000 people globally have recovered. Older people or those with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk.
Mr. Thibault’s ordeal began with a much-awaited school trip abroad, a journey to Europe from Feb. 14 to 22 that went through Italy. Two others from the trip also tested positive, although they weren’t hit as hard as Mr. Thibault. The married father of two is the popular vice principal of student life at Saint Raphael Academy, a private Catholic school in Pawtucket, a suburb of Providence. He knew travel would expand his students’ minds and was thrilled to chaperone the nine-day adventure that began in Milan and ended in Barcelona.
When the group of 38 people left the U.S., coronavirus was certainly in the news but there “were no cases of community-spread coronavirus in Italy and no CDC travel warning in effect,” the school said in a previous statement.
When the group landed in Milan, Mr. Thibault thought it was strange to see people in hazmat suits in the airport, but everything seemed calm. The group headed to Cinque Terre on the Italian Riviera, and began what would be just two days of sightseeing in Italy.
But just in that short period, he began to hear about Italy cordoning off some towns, and by the time they left for the French Riviera he was relieved to be leaving Italy.
It was apparently too late. Italy would become one of the hardest-hit places for the virus.
A self-described germaphobe, Mr. Thibault isn’t sure exactly how he became infected. He said he used hand sanitizer constantly on the trip. But the group’s local tour guide said he felt like he was coming down with the flu, and he and Mr. Thibault passed a microphone back and forth to talk to the students. Mr. Thibault is unsure if the tour guide ever tested positive.
Mr. Thibault had no symptoms during the trip, but he felt unusually sluggish on the flight back to the U.S.
“Something is wrong,” he told his wife when he finally got home to Rhode Island near midnight on Saturday, Feb. 22. He went straight to bed, and then the next day, went to a walk-in clinic. Mr. Thibault has asthma, but he exercises everyday and said he rarely gets sick.
He said he told the clinic he had been to Italy and wondered aloud if he could have the novel coronavirus. He was told he didn’t fit the criteria at the time for the test because he didn’t really have the symptoms, which can include a fever or shortness of breath.
He stayed home from work, but just got worse, with growing fatigue, a dry cough and something that resembled bronchitis. He went to a hospital but was again told he didn’t meet the criteria for the test, he said.
Doctors there were concerned, however, and Mr. Thibault said he quickly got a call from the Rhode Island Department of Health, which told him to get tested immediately.
A health department spokesman said the agency can’t comment on any specific patient, but noted that the CDC’s guidance for testing has evolved. “We have reviewed each Rhode Island case carefully,” the spokesman said. “In each of those instances, the health-care facilities involved all responded appropriately.”
By later in the week, Mr. Thibault was at the Miriam Hospital, where he was admitted. He tested positive for the virus.
He says the virus now hit him “like a hurricane.” He was weak and had trouble breathing. The hospital whisked him into the ICU, where nurses donned hazmat-style suits to enter his room.
They inserted a breathing tube, and put another tube down his throat for medicine to deal with pneumonia that developed in his lungs, he said.
Gagging and coughing, Mr. Thibault said he felt scared. His lungs would fill with saliva and nurses would dash in and clear them out, only to have to do it again two hours later.
“The feeling of choking. That was the worst part,” he said. “You feel like you’re asphyxiating, and you’re panicking because you can’t breathe.”
The agony went on for days.
His wife, and his two children, ages 20 and 15, were unable to visit, lest they become infected, too.
“Just get through the next hour, the next hour, the next hour,” Mr. Thibault told himself. “It’s just one time you quit and then you’re dead.”
Even though he was partially sedated, his mind kept spinning.
Last week, he forced himself to write a note to his wife, telling her that if his lungs collapsed, to not keep him on life support.
“I just didn’t want to have that on my wife’s shoulders. I just didn’t want her to do that,” he said. “I’m glad she never had to read that note.”
Slowly he began to get better. The doctors took out his breathing tube and to his relief, his lungs picked up the pace. When he could speak, he thanked the medical staff.
“What these people did for me in that last two weeks, I’m forever indebted to them,” he said.
He said he is “coming through this” and hopes to be able to leave the hospital by the weekend. He said he has turned on the television and caught up on the news of the escalating virus. He is worried some people don’t realize how serious it can be and hopes people are taking the recommended safety steps, from washing hands frequently to staying home when sick, to avoid community spread.
“It almost killed me,” he said. “It’s alarming when I hear people minimize it as a simple cold. It was no simple cold for me.”
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:58:48 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:46:14 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > > If you don't stay home, you're helping the virus to kill others.
> > > Get real.
> >
> > 99% of the dead in Italy had previous major illness. We are to crash the world's economy, and worse stop soaring, to increase the lifespan of sick old people by a few months?
> > Shouldn't we simply isolate at risk old people and let the world keep spinning? I've seen several club's policies and they vary from be smart and if you are concerned stay home, to we're too scared to fly so no one else can either.
> > One is reasonable the other petty and queer.
>
> If we don't contain this virus now it is very likely we will overwhelm the hospitals that are already near the breaking point. This disease attacks the lungs and you may need intensive care if you contract it as 20% of the cases are severe. Here is just one story of a relatively young person who suffered thru CV (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316?mod=trending_now_3):
>
> Marc Thibault was groggy and surrounded by beeping machines, but he was alert enough to know what it meant when he looked up and saw a priest, wearing protective gear, by his bedside at the Miriam Hospital in Rhode Island.
>
> “Holy cow,” he thought to himself. “I’m 48 years old and I’m getting my last rites.”
>
> Mr. Thibault, one of the first Americans diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, recounted days of pain and fear in his first interview Tuesday, speaking from the intensive-care unit at the Providence hospital where he has been for 13 days, fighting the illness that attacked his lungs. “I was one inch from death,” he said, his voice weary. “No doubt about it. No doubt about it.”
>
> Roughly 80% of Covid-19 cases tend to be mild or moderate, and more than 62,000 people globally have recovered. Older people or those with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk.
>
> Mr. Thibault’s ordeal began with a much-awaited school trip abroad, a journey to Europe from Feb. 14 to 22 that went through Italy. Two others from the trip also tested positive, although they weren’t hit as hard as Mr. Thibault. The married father of two is the popular vice principal of student life at Saint Raphael Academy, a private Catholic school in Pawtucket, a suburb of Providence. He knew travel would expand his students’ minds and was thrilled to chaperone the nine-day adventure that began in Milan and ended in Barcelona.
>
> When the group of 38 people left the U.S., coronavirus was certainly in the news but there “were no cases of community-spread coronavirus in Italy and no CDC travel warning in effect,” the school said in a previous statement.
>
> When the group landed in Milan, Mr. Thibault thought it was strange to see people in hazmat suits in the airport, but everything seemed calm. The group headed to Cinque Terre on the Italian Riviera, and began what would be just two days of sightseeing in Italy.
>
> But just in that short period, he began to hear about Italy cordoning off some towns, and by the time they left for the French Riviera he was relieved to be leaving Italy.
>
> It was apparently too late. Italy would become one of the hardest-hit places for the virus.
>
> A self-described germaphobe, Mr. Thibault isn’t sure exactly how he became infected. He said he used hand sanitizer constantly on the trip. But the group’s local tour guide said he felt like he was coming down with the flu, and he and Mr. Thibault passed a microphone back and forth to talk to the students. Mr. Thibault is unsure if the tour guide ever tested positive.
>
> Mr. Thibault had no symptoms during the trip, but he felt unusually sluggish on the flight back to the U.S.
>
> “Something is wrong,” he told his wife when he finally got home to Rhode Island near midnight on Saturday, Feb. 22. He went straight to bed, and then the next day, went to a walk-in clinic. Mr. Thibault has asthma, but he exercises everyday and said he rarely gets sick.
>
> He said he told the clinic he had been to Italy and wondered aloud if he could have the novel coronavirus. He was told he didn’t fit the criteria at the time for the test because he didn’t really have the symptoms, which can include a fever or shortness of breath.
>
> He stayed home from work, but just got worse, with growing fatigue, a dry cough and something that resembled bronchitis. He went to a hospital but was again told he didn’t meet the criteria for the test, he said.
>
> Doctors there were concerned, however, and Mr. Thibault said he quickly got a call from the Rhode Island Department of Health, which told him to get tested immediately.
>
> A health department spokesman said the agency can’t comment on any specific patient, but noted that the CDC’s guidance for testing has evolved. “We have reviewed each Rhode Island case carefully,” the spokesman said. “In each of those instances, the health-care facilities involved all responded appropriately.”
>
> By later in the week, Mr. Thibault was at the Miriam Hospital, where he was admitted. He tested positive for the virus.
>
> He says the virus now hit him “like a hurricane.” He was weak and had trouble breathing. The hospital whisked him into the ICU, where nurses donned hazmat-style suits to enter his room.
>
> They inserted a breathing tube, and put another tube down his throat for medicine to deal with pneumonia that developed in his lungs, he said.
>
> Gagging and coughing, Mr. Thibault said he felt scared. His lungs would fill with saliva and nurses would dash in and clear them out, only to have to do it again two hours later.
>
> “The feeling of choking. That was the worst part,” he said. “You feel like you’re asphyxiating, and you’re panicking because you can’t breathe.”
>
> The agony went on for days.
>
> His wife, and his two children, ages 20 and 15, were unable to visit, lest they become infected, too.
>
> “Just get through the next hour, the next hour, the next hour,” Mr. Thibault told himself. “It’s just one time you quit and then you’re dead.”
>
> Even though he was partially sedated, his mind kept spinning.
>
> Last week, he forced himself to write a note to his wife, telling her that if his lungs collapsed, to not keep him on life support.
>
> “I just didn’t want to have that on my wife’s shoulders. I just didn’t want her to do that,” he said. “I’m glad she never had to read that note.”
>
> Slowly he began to get better. The doctors took out his breathing tube and to his relief, his lungs picked up the pace. When he could speak, he thanked the medical staff.
>
> “What these people did for me in that last two weeks, I’m forever indebted to them,” he said.
>
> He said he is “coming through this” and hopes to be able to leave the hospital by the weekend. He said he has turned on the television and caught up on the news of the escalating virus. He is worried some people don’t realize how serious it can be and hopes people are taking the recommended safety steps, from washing hands frequently to staying home when sick, to avoid community spread.
>
> “It almost killed me,” he said. “It’s alarming when I hear people minimize it as a simple cold. It was no simple cold for me.”
2G, this is a sad story, and I'm glad the guy recovered. But its 'anecdotal' ie just one story. We could also tell the story of someone who got hit by a car, and almost died, and argue that shows we must all stop driving cars.. The numerical data shows that 80% of people who are sick enough to need hospitalisation are over 44, and of the 20% that go to hospital, most recover. The people with a high statistical chance of dying are the elderly and the sick. Those are the people that need to be protected, by self isolation, free home meals, free sick days, free healthcare....etc. As a society we should protect and help those people, but the rest of us can (and should) carry on, to keep our economy functioning.
2G
March 20th 20, 11:21 PM
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 2:36:30 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:58:48 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
> > On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:46:14 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > > > If you don't stay home, you're helping the virus to kill others.
> > > > Get real.
> > >
> > > 99% of the dead in Italy had previous major illness. We are to crash the world's economy, and worse stop soaring, to increase the lifespan of sick old people by a few months?
> > > Shouldn't we simply isolate at risk old people and let the world keep spinning? I've seen several club's policies and they vary from be smart and if you are concerned stay home, to we're too scared to fly so no one else can either.
> > > One is reasonable the other petty and queer.
> >
> > If we don't contain this virus now it is very likely we will overwhelm the hospitals that are already near the breaking point. This disease attacks the lungs and you may need intensive care if you contract it as 20% of the cases are severe. Here is just one story of a relatively young person who suffered thru CV (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316?mod=trending_now_3):
> >
> > Marc Thibault was groggy and surrounded by beeping machines, but he was alert enough to know what it meant when he looked up and saw a priest, wearing protective gear, by his bedside at the Miriam Hospital in Rhode Island..
> >
> > “Holy cow,” he thought to himself. “I’m 48 years old and I’m getting my last rites.”
> >
> > Mr. Thibault, one of the first Americans diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, recounted days of pain and fear in his first interview Tuesday, speaking from the intensive-care unit at the Providence hospital where he has been for 13 days, fighting the illness that attacked his lungs. “I was one inch from death,” he said, his voice weary. “No doubt about it. No doubt about it.”
> >
> > Roughly 80% of Covid-19 cases tend to be mild or moderate, and more than 62,000 people globally have recovered. Older people or those with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk.
> >
> > Mr. Thibault’s ordeal began with a much-awaited school trip abroad, a journey to Europe from Feb. 14 to 22 that went through Italy. Two others from the trip also tested positive, although they weren’t hit as hard as Mr. Thibault. The married father of two is the popular vice principal of student life at Saint Raphael Academy, a private Catholic school in Pawtucket, a suburb of Providence. He knew travel would expand his students’ minds and was thrilled to chaperone the nine-day adventure that began in Milan and ended in Barcelona.
> >
> > When the group of 38 people left the U.S., coronavirus was certainly in the news but there “were no cases of community-spread coronavirus in Italy and no CDC travel warning in effect,” the school said in a previous statement.
> >
> > When the group landed in Milan, Mr. Thibault thought it was strange to see people in hazmat suits in the airport, but everything seemed calm. The group headed to Cinque Terre on the Italian Riviera, and began what would be just two days of sightseeing in Italy.
> >
> > But just in that short period, he began to hear about Italy cordoning off some towns, and by the time they left for the French Riviera he was relieved to be leaving Italy.
> >
> > It was apparently too late. Italy would become one of the hardest-hit places for the virus.
> >
> > A self-described germaphobe, Mr. Thibault isn’t sure exactly how he became infected. He said he used hand sanitizer constantly on the trip.. But the group’s local tour guide said he felt like he was coming down with the flu, and he and Mr. Thibault passed a microphone back and forth to talk to the students. Mr. Thibault is unsure if the tour guide ever tested positive.
> >
> > Mr. Thibault had no symptoms during the trip, but he felt unusually sluggish on the flight back to the U.S.
> >
> > “Something is wrong,” he told his wife when he finally got home to Rhode Island near midnight on Saturday, Feb. 22. He went straight to bed, and then the next day, went to a walk-in clinic. Mr. Thibault has asthma, but he exercises everyday and said he rarely gets sick.
> >
> > He said he told the clinic he had been to Italy and wondered aloud if he could have the novel coronavirus. He was told he didn’t fit the criteria at the time for the test because he didn’t really have the symptoms, which can include a fever or shortness of breath.
> >
> > He stayed home from work, but just got worse, with growing fatigue, a dry cough and something that resembled bronchitis. He went to a hospital but was again told he didn’t meet the criteria for the test, he said.
> >
> > Doctors there were concerned, however, and Mr. Thibault said he quickly got a call from the Rhode Island Department of Health, which told him to get tested immediately.
> >
> > A health department spokesman said the agency can’t comment on any specific patient, but noted that the CDC’s guidance for testing has evolved. “We have reviewed each Rhode Island case carefully,” the spokesman said. “In each of those instances, the health-care facilities involved all responded appropriately.”
> >
> > By later in the week, Mr. Thibault was at the Miriam Hospital, where he was admitted. He tested positive for the virus.
> >
> > He says the virus now hit him “like a hurricane.” He was weak and had trouble breathing. The hospital whisked him into the ICU, where nurses donned hazmat-style suits to enter his room.
> >
> > They inserted a breathing tube, and put another tube down his throat for medicine to deal with pneumonia that developed in his lungs, he said.
> >
> > Gagging and coughing, Mr. Thibault said he felt scared. His lungs would fill with saliva and nurses would dash in and clear them out, only to have to do it again two hours later.
> >
> > “The feeling of choking. That was the worst part,” he said. “You feel like you’re asphyxiating, and you’re panicking because you can’t breathe.”
> >
> > The agony went on for days.
> >
> > His wife, and his two children, ages 20 and 15, were unable to visit, lest they become infected, too.
> >
> > “Just get through the next hour, the next hour, the next hour,” Mr. Thibault told himself. “It’s just one time you quit and then you’re dead.”
> >
> > Even though he was partially sedated, his mind kept spinning.
> >
> > Last week, he forced himself to write a note to his wife, telling her that if his lungs collapsed, to not keep him on life support.
> >
> > “I just didn’t want to have that on my wife’s shoulders. I just didn’t want her to do that,” he said. “I’m glad she never had to read that note.”
> >
> > Slowly he began to get better. The doctors took out his breathing tube and to his relief, his lungs picked up the pace. When he could speak, he thanked the medical staff.
> >
> > “What these people did for me in that last two weeks, I’m forever indebted to them,” he said.
> >
> > He said he is “coming through this” and hopes to be able to leave the hospital by the weekend. He said he has turned on the television and caught up on the news of the escalating virus. He is worried some people don’t realize how serious it can be and hopes people are taking the recommended safety steps, from washing hands frequently to staying home when sick, to avoid community spread.
> >
> > “It almost killed me,” he said. “It’s alarming when I hear people minimize it as a simple cold. It was no simple cold for me.”
>
> 2G, this is a sad story, and I'm glad the guy recovered. But its 'anecdotal' ie just one story. We could also tell the story of someone who got hit by a car, and almost died, and argue that shows we must all stop driving cars. The numerical data shows that 80% of people who are sick enough to need hospitalisation are over 44, and of the 20% that go to hospital, most recover. The people with a high statistical chance of dying are the elderly and the sick. Those are the people that need to be protected, by self isolation, free home meals, free sick days, free healthcare....etc. As a society we should protect and help those people, but the rest of us can (and should) carry on, to keep our economy functioning.
You need anecdotes to see what, exactly, you are potentially facing. He was not old or with pre-existing conditions. If you don't take precautions you are literally throwing the dice about the outcomes. CV is EXTREMELY contagious and does not require physical contact with the infected to get infected. And you are contagious for a couple of weeks before you display symtoms. Even if you don't get hospitalized, recovery is very painful. More states, like NY, CA IL and NJ, are shutting down all but essential businesses as a result. The real-time data from China shows that a lock-down does work. If CV takes off we WILL NOT have the hospitals, doctors, nurses and supplies to deal with it and we will be looking at millions of dead.
Tom
Steve Bralla
March 21st 20, 01:54 AM
>
> When the Chinese virus blows by and everyone is broke cause we stopped the world, you old guys aren't going to ask for a handout on the backs of the young, right? Promise?
As a senior citizen with a pre-existing condition (66 years old with a compromised immune system from a bone marrow transplant 15 years ago) I have to apologize to Gregg for being alive. Just think what I did to his insurance rates by surviving.
So Gregg are your parents still alive and know your feelings?
Getting pretty vitriolic on here. Are we going to survive this crisis? Yes. Are the measures being taken going to screw the economy? Absolutely. Are old guys going to bitch and moan when they see their retirement 401k is in the toilet? Yep. But maybe its more of a blessing that they will still be alive to scream. Are the young studs going to **** n moan about having to bare the burden of a Fed up economy? Yep, just like many of us “old” guys did when we had to bare it back in the day.
Young guys, get over it. Your young and you got years ahead of you to recoup. Old guys, quit bitching about the young guys who ignore CDC and state mandates about activity n travel etc, thats what youth do, they do their own thing, always have, always will, when you were young thats how you were. Get over it.
As for me, I am going soaring. My few little solo flights with a tow pilot and a couple other club guys practicing proper social distancing and lots of preventative hand washing is NOT going to spread the virus any more than the necessary trip you ney sayers have to make to the store to get groceries. Burt, keep on soaring out there in Marfa, be smart, but don’t stop.
Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas
March 21st 20, 01:02 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 6:36:20 AM UTC-Burt, keep on soaring out there in Marfa, be smart, but don’t stop.
I shall. Of course having the alternate open canopy on my ASK-13 "Cabriolet" makes for more fresh air!
Wondering if anyone got sick after the Seniors contest last week at Seminole-Lake Gliderport near Orlando.
Over 100 participants (pilots, crews, staff, contest officials.) They took reasonable precautions and they apparently survived.
Don Johnstone[_4_]
March 21st 20, 01:16 PM
The whole point of the advice, stay at home, is to reduce the peak of
infections and consequent serious illness that could put hospitals under
a terrific strain.
Gliding is not essential to human life, it is a sport, a pastime nopt a
necessity like eating and sleeping.
The simple question is, which part of STAY AT HOME don't you buggers
understand.
Don which part of MY Life don’t you understand. And as for me and many others, soaring is an Essential part of our lives! It has been for the last 40 years for me and will continue for me till I cant climb in the cockpit any more.
You can hold to your nanny state, the govt knows best perspective, maybe where you live the issue is a bigger one than where I live out here in the sticks, thats your perogative. But damn well dont try and foust your restrictions on those of us who are more passionate about our sport and who are taking reasonable and thoughtful precautions.
And Don if folks took your viewpoint, the Seniors should have bern cancelled this year midstream! Ask those who participated/participating and see what they think of the idea.
Dan
Don Johnstone[_4_]
March 21st 20, 02:13 PM
At 13:46 21 March 2020, wrote:
>And Don if folks took your viewpoint, the Seniors should have bern
>cancelled this year midstream! Ask those who
participated/participating and
>see what they think of the idea.
>Dan
It's Me, Me, Me as far as you are concerned then. That is why the virus
is spreading and why hospitals will come under strain because you think
you are an exception. We you are not. Thankfully the majority of people
do not hold your selfish attitude and will co-operate with others to
protect or hospitals and our vulnerable.
Dave Walsh[_2_]
March 21st 20, 02:18 PM
At 13:46 21 March 2020, wrote:
>And Don if folks took your viewpoint, the Seniors should have
bern
>cancelled this year midstream! Ask those who
participated/participating and
>see what they think of the idea.
>Dan
>
It's no good asking Joe Public what he thinks of the "idea" - Joe
Public does not understand the problem. Of course it's possible
that the Government & its scientific advisors don't understand the
problem either. But until the crisis is over I'd tend to go with the
Government view.
The root issue is that if people do not meet together the virus can
not be transmitted: seems simply enough, no?
Dave W
Well Don I guess you missed the part about us who choose to fly doing so with informed and circumspect precaution. And also being in an area very minimaly impacted by this virus.
And as for “me me me”, I would rather live that way being self dependant and willing to take the rewards and the consequences of my own actions, than live under the illusion that the govt and society know whats best for me. But as you live in CA I guess you have no choice but to think the state knows whats best for you. Good luck with that. I think with a little research you will see there are alot more people who have a common sense self reliance perspective like me than you think.
Dennis Cavagnaro
March 21st 20, 03:22 PM
Whoa there Gregg.... this “old Guy” has been feeding his SSI and working for 45 years. No safe places... paid for his education... NOT eligible for any handouts that are coming and i don’t need them. I’m not asking anyone to stay away and presently I’m trying to get in the first seat of a dual with you or somebody and want to fly my glider. Don’t blame old people. I’ve survived thinning out the heard before -:)
DC
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:22:38 AM UTC-4, Dennis Cavagnaro wrote:
> Whoa there Gregg.... this “old Guy” has been feeding his SSI and working for 45 years. No safe places... paid for his education... NOT eligible for any handouts that are coming and i don’t need them. I’m not asking anyone to stay away and presently I’m trying to get in the first seat of a dual with you or somebody and want to fly my glider. Don’t blame old people. I’ve survived thinning out the heard before -:)
>
> DC
We will all be poorer when this is over. What's lost is lost. We are staying home so that the old people can live, so we can make fun of them when they are broke. Shekels will not be replaced on the backs of the young. I'm going to write a cat food cookbook.
2G
March 21st 20, 03:35 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:30:55 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> Well Don I guess you missed the part about us who choose to fly doing so with informed and circumspect precaution. And also being in an area very minimaly impacted by this virus.
>
> And as for “me me me”, I would rather live that way being self dependant and willing to take the rewards and the consequences of my own actions, than live under the illusion that the govt and society know whats best for me. But as you live in CA I guess you have no choice but to think the state knows whats best for you. Good luck with that. I think with a little research you will see there are alot more people who have a common sense self reliance perspective like me than you think.
And does that include not seeking medical care if you get sick? I doubt it. If the Chinese virus escalates beyond the tipping level we are in SERIOUS TROUBLE - and it is close to that in certain areas of the country NOW. This is another "anecdote" about what is happening in our country's ERs (https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-coronavirus-cases-mount-emergency-rooms-strain-to-keep-doctors-on-the-job-11584783000?mod=hp_lead_pos4):
Andra Blomkalns, chairwoman of emergency medicine at Stanford University, suspects that all 80 of the physicians who work in her Palo Alto, Calif., emergency department have been exposed to the novel coronavirus.
One who tested positive became very ill. At least a dozen others are awaiting test results. She wants to keep high-risk providers, like older physicians and one who had an organ transplant, from seeing patients in person. But she can’t lose too many of them because sick people are streaming into her department in the San Francisco Bay Area, where the pandemic hit early and hard.
“I feel like in those several weeks prior to being able to have testing, our providers were exposed all the time,” says Dr. Andra Blomkalns.
“If you take all those people off the front lines, you don’t have a workforce,” Dr. Blomkalns said. “I feel like a monster having to make some of these really tough decisions and how they affect people’s lives.”
Emergency departments are straining to keep the rapidly spreading virus from putting workers at risk. At least two ER doctors are in critical condition with confirmed or suspect cases of the coronavirus, according to the American College of Emergency Physicians.
One of them, a Washington state clinician in his 40s, complied at all times with procedures for wearing personal protective equipment, ACEP said. The other, a 70-year-old in Paterson, N.J., leads emergency preparedness for his institution.
“It’s very anxiety provoking for an emergency physician,” said C. Ryan Keay, an ER doctor in Everett, Wash., where the first U..S. coronavirus case was confirmed in January. “In the back of everyone’s mind is, ‘Could I be taking this home to my family? What if I get sick?’ ”
Dr. Blomkalns said that early in the outbreak, a shortage of Covid-19 tests and narrow health-department criteria for who could get them meant “we didn’t understand the true prevalence of the disease in the community.” She treated a patient without protective gear and later developed a fever, headache and a cough.
Then she got a frightening call from a colleague on the operations team. “We’ve got bad news,” they told her. That patient eventually tested positive for the new coronavirus.
Dr. Blomkalns tested negative and recovered within days. One of her physicians wasn’t so lucky. That doctor had symptoms for about a week but couldn’t get tested because they didn’t meet the health department’s guidelines, Dr. Blomkalns said. The physician continued seeing patients. They eventually got a test that confirmed the virus. They went into self-isolation at home and have mostly recovered, she said.
“I feel like in those several weeks prior to being able to have testing, our providers were exposed all the time,” she said. Stanford has since developed its own Covid-19 test, but Dr. Blomkalns said she can’t test most of her workforce because they are asymptomatic and thus don’t meet the rapidly evolving criteria for it. A shortage of testing reagents also is constraining testing, she added.
Shortages of protective equipment, including N95 and surgical masks, are adding to the anxiety. Simple masks that used to be kept out in the open are now being locked up or guarded by a charge nurse, physicians say, because patients or hospital personnel were snatching them. Physicians are having to reuse protective equipment that they otherwise would have disposed of after a single use. Some are buying their own face shields on Amazon.com.
Maria Raven, chief of emergency medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, said that early in the epidemic, physicians were donning N95 masks, gloves and gowns when they went into the rooms of potential coronavirus patients. But the department was so crowded that patients were spilling into the hallways.
“We were like ‘Oh, wait, if we had a respiratory patient in a hallway, that’s also potentially putting our health-care workers in the line of fire,’ ” she said, adding that physicians kept their protective equipment on at all times. The hospital set up two military-grade medical structures in its parking lot earlier this month and stationed a triage nurse there to screen patients for fevers and respiratory symptoms.
Drs. Blomkalns, Raven and others say emergency physicians are tightly following protocols to make sure they don’t spread the virus between patients or to themselves. Some physicians say the fast-moving nature of the job makes that difficult.
One Seattle emergency physician said inpatient nurses at his facility are showering after 10 minutes of exposure to a patient who is suspected to have the virus. ER workers are supposed to follow that rule too but no one is doing it because it isn’t practical and, because test results take days, it isn’t clear which patients present a confirmed risk.
Sara Miller and Yashwant Chathampally, husband-and-wife emergency physicians who practice in Houston, say they are worried about bringing the virus back to their home, where Dr. Chathampally’s elderly parents and the couple’s 3-year-old twins live. They have started stripping off their scrubs and shoes in the garage and going immediately into the shower when they come home from work.
“Instead of the kids running up and giving you a hug when you walk in the door, we don’t let that happen anymore,” Dr. Miller said.
Dr. Blomkalns ended up moving her high-risk physicians so they conduct telehealth visits. She has noticed other health-care workers seem wary of coming close to her because she works in the emergency department. She recently handed an envelope to a colleague who told her to instead “put it over there.” Her hands are growing dry from washing them about 30 times a shift.
“It does not exactly make anyone feel good to be treated that way, but I understand,” she said.
Don Johnstone[_4_]
March 21st 20, 04:03 PM
At 14:30 21 March 2020, wrote:
>Well Don I guess you missed the part about us who choose to fly
doing so
>wi=
>th informed and circumspect precaution. And also being in an area
very
>mini=
>maly impacted by this virus.
>
>And as for =E2=80=9Cme me me=E2=80=9D, I would rather live
that way being
>s=
>elf dependant and willing to take the rewards and the
consequences of my
>ow=
>n actions, than live under the illusion that the govt and society
know
>what=
>s best for me. But as you live in CA I guess you have no choice but
to
>thin=
>k the state knows whats best for you. Good luck with that. I think
with a
>l=
>ittle research you will see there are alot more people who have a
common
>se=
>nse self reliance perspective like me than you think.
1. I don't live in CA
2. The government advice is to protect the hospitals from being
overloaded and to save lives.
3. It may not matter if you get the virus, it will matter to others.
4. When scientific evidence leads to advice to STAY AT HOME it is
incumbent on everyone to do just that.
The whole point of the restrictions is to save necessary deaths and
serious illness but you and your ilk know better. You don't care about
others, only yourself.
Now we all know exactly what and who you are. Good luck with that.
2G the sky is falling the sky is falling!! What I do here in the backwoods of AL HAS NOTHING to do with helping mitigate the pandemic in the Bay Area. Maybe if CA did’nt “legalize” the crapping on city streets and the promotion of “free living” for all the homeless, they would not be in the situation they are in. Socialism has unintended consequences!
My advise? LEAVE those areas that are rife with virus! Hunker down somewhere where its not taking over. My home is available for anyone wanting to get away from the mess that is CA, NYC and Chicago.
In the meantime don’t tell me how, when, or where to fly. I an living somewhere where we are not in the epicenter of that mess.
Prediction: come later in the year when this mess is passed you will see a rash of sailplane accidents involving guys who’s skills are rusty as hell.
IADPE
March 21st 20, 04:14 PM
I was thinking seriously about buying a glider but with the current economic uncertainty have stepped back until things are clearer.
2G
March 21st 20, 04:22 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:03:48 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> 2G the sky is falling the sky is falling!! What I do here in the backwoods of AL HAS NOTHING to do with helping mitigate the pandemic in the Bay Area. Maybe if CA did’nt “legalize” the crapping on city streets and the promotion of “free living” for all the homeless, they would not be in the situation they are in. Socialism has unintended consequences!
> My advise? LEAVE those areas that are rife with virus! Hunker down somewhere where its not taking over. My home is available for anyone wanting to get away from the mess that is CA, NYC and Chicago.
>
> In the meantime don’t tell me how, when, or where to fly. I an living somewhere where we are not in the epicenter of that mess.
>
> Prediction: come later in the year when this mess is passed you will see a rash of sailplane accidents involving guys who’s skills are rusty as hell.
Notably absent is an answer to my question: will you forgo medical care if YOU get sick?
2G
March 21st 20, 04:29 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:15:04 AM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
> At 14:30 21 March 2020, wrote:
> >Well Don I guess you missed the part about us who choose to fly
> doing so
> >wi=
> >th informed and circumspect precaution. And also being in an area
> very
> >mini=
> >maly impacted by this virus.
> >
> >And as for =E2=80=9Cme me me=E2=80=9D, I would rather live
> that way being
> >s=
> >elf dependant and willing to take the rewards and the
> consequences of my
> >ow=
> >n actions, than live under the illusion that the govt and society
> know
> >what=
> >s best for me. But as you live in CA I guess you have no choice but
> to
> >thin=
> >k the state knows whats best for you. Good luck with that. I think
> with a
> >l=
> >ittle research you will see there are alot more people who have a
> common
> >se=
> >nse self reliance perspective like me than you think.
>
> 1. I don't live in CA
> 2. The government advice is to protect the hospitals from being
> overloaded and to save lives.
> 3. It may not matter if you get the virus, it will matter to others.
> 4. When scientific evidence leads to advice to STAY AT HOME it is
> incumbent on everyone to do just that.
>
> The whole point of the restrictions is to save necessary deaths and
> serious illness but you and your ilk know better. You don't care about
> others, only yourself.
> Now we all know exactly what and who you are. Good luck with that.
Here is another "anecdote:" our local hospital has posted ARMED GUARDS at the entrance of the hospital in addition to medical personnel for pre-screening prior to being allowed in to the hospital.
Don Johnstone[_4_]
March 21st 20, 05:17 PM
Your name is not Mary Mallon by any chance, is it?
Careful there Don I’ll come over and breath on you.
Ain’t gonna get sick there 2g. Live your little sheltered life there, Ive got another glider to tow here. As for being ignorant reguarding the virus, the majority of my family iis in health care including a cousin who works for the CDC. Ill take my info from them not you who apparently believes everything they get from mainline news sources, good luck with that.
Dan Marotta
March 21st 20, 07:56 PM
Jeez...* It's really getting dangerous out there.* Is this your
neighborhood?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_iBOg5OfBg
On 3/21/2020 1:30 PM, wrote:
> Careful there Don I’ll come over and breath on you.
--
Dan, 5J
Don Johnstone[_4_]
March 21st 20, 08:05 PM
At 19:56 21 March 2020, Dan Marotta wrote:
>Jeez...* It's really getting dangerous out there.* Is this your
>neighborhood?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_iBOg5OfBg
>
>On 3/21/2020 1:30 PM, wrote:
>> Careful there Don I’ll come over and breath on you.
>
>--
>Dan, 5J
Don't think so, 5000 miles is a long way to travel.
LOL oh man Dan, that one got me spitting my coke!! Where do u find this stuff? U got way too much time on ur handslol.
On another not just saw a comet trailer and truck camper heading down the road, must be on his way to the sequachi ridge camp or maybe on way home to chilhowee after thre Seniors. Must be another self centered “me me me” glider pilot lol
Watch out there comet trailer dragger, 2G and Don are gonna report u to Big Brother! lol
Dan Marotta
March 21st 20, 08:18 PM
Ah, my brother sent it to me.* I'm still laughing...!
BTW, you made a good response to the Typhoid Mary accusation.* Some
people can get really nasty when you don't agree with them.
On 3/21/2020 2:06 PM, wrote:
> LOL oh man Dan, that one got me spitting my coke!! Where do u find this stuff? U got way too much time on ur handslol.
> On another not just saw a comet trailer and truck camper heading down the road, must be on his way to the sequachi ridge camp or maybe on way home to chilhowee after thre Seniors. Must be another self centered “me me me” glider pilot lol
--
Dan, 5J
Yeh they think just cause we refuse to tote the party line we must be ignorant. If they only knew the full worry about this virus they would be ****tin their britches. My cousin who is a researcher with the CDC tells me the part they are holding back on publicizing is the real airborne threat of this virus. Its way more prone to aerisol transferance than most folks know. Along with the ability to stay viable for longer than 3 days on surfaces.
Dan you get the same response from these guys regarding thermalling low, downwind turns, landing out regularly, flying low performance birds, and abject dependance on electronic aids-to-flight (flarm etc) . Discussions regarding any of those five topics is bound to start a forest fire on here lol. I guess we need to ad personal freedoms vs social responsability to that list lol.
2G
March 21st 20, 09:17 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 12:34:17 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Ain’t gonna get sick there 2g. Live your little sheltered life there, Ive got another glider to tow here. As for being ignorant reguarding the virus, the majority of my family iis in health care including a cousin who works for the CDC. Ill take my info from them not you who apparently believes everything they get from mainline news sources, good luck with that.
Well, you are in DESPERATE NEED of good info, so contact them IMMEDIATELY (I don't give a **** if you listen to me or not)!
Tom
2G
March 21st 20, 09:21 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:26:05 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Yeh they think just cause we refuse to tote the party line we must be ignorant. If they only knew the full worry about this virus they would be ****tin their britches. My cousin who is a researcher with the CDC tells me the part they are holding back on publicizing is the real airborne threat of this virus. Its way more prone to aerisol transferance than most folks know. Along with the ability to stay viable for longer than 3 days on surfaces.
That is really not news - many anecdotal accounts have confirmed this as . Nonetheless, they have also determined that it can exist for up to 3 days on hard surfaces:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html
Tom
Tom Regarding this issue I don’t need to rely on antiqdotal evidence, I am getting my info directly from someone who is a key player in this matter.
And Tom did’nt I say in my post that it has viability on surfaces for longer than 3 days? You really need to slow down, take a deep breath, read the entirety of the posts n chill. Your gonna blow a gasket and their not honna have a room for u at the hospital.
Dan
Tango Eight
March 21st 20, 09:42 PM
Just going to leave this right here
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
T8
Duster[_2_]
March 21st 20, 11:19 PM
> https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
>
> T8
Tango,
Thanks! That link from Johns Hopkins is well laid out; can't do much better than them. Seems at least as good as the CDC site https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/index.html
2G
March 22nd 20, 12:10 AM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 2:35:35 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> And Tom did’nt I say in my post that it has viability on surfaces for longer than 3 days? You really need to slow down, take a deep breath, read the entirety of the posts n chill. Your gonna blow a gasket and their not honna have a room for u at the hospital.
> Dan
All I know is that you said A LOT of wrong things in your posts. Pardon me for trying to save your life...
2G I surely don’t need you to save my life. Yours is one of the ballsyist statements I’ve ever heard on here. Goes along with your advise for me to not land out, not thermal low and to fill my bird with electric gizmo’s cause if I don’t I will die.
If your concern is genuine, that I would surely appreciate. We do have a social consciousness to honor both within our communities and within the smaller subset of our soaring community. But I am afraid I am not picking up the vibe of genuine concern coming from you, only anger toward someone who doesn’t conform to your idea of how one should behave.
As for saying alot of “wrong things in my posts” I think I clearly relayed the bonefied sources of data and logic which supported my reasoning. Once again, if you are living in the midst of an infected area, do whatever you and the govt feel you need to do. I don’t. My county has ZERO cases of covid, my entire state is only reporting 50 cases total! I am loosing zero sleep over my chances of infection or my chances of infecting anyone else thru glider flying. If you don’t accept that so be it.
rj
March 22nd 20, 01:42 AM
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> https://xcmag.com/news/paragliding-and-hang-gliding-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/
When I have centered a strong updraft and I am climbing to cloudbase, I am Home. And I am alone. Any issues here?
Andy Blackburn[_3_]
March 22nd 20, 01:52 AM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:03:48 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> My advise? LEAVE those areas that are rife with virus! Hunker down somewhere where its not taking over. My home is available for anyone wanting to get away from the mess that is CA, NYC and Chicago.
>
Cool, thanks. My kids live in LA and their roommates have been coughing for a week. Can I send them to stay with you until this blows over?
Hunkered down in the SF Bay Area,
Andy Blackburn
9B
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 5:41:19 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> 2G I surely don’t need you to save my life. Yours is one of the ballsyist statements I’ve ever heard on here. Goes along with your advise for me to not land out, not thermal low and to fill my bird with electric gizmo’s cause if I don’t I will die.
>
> If your concern is genuine, that I would surely appreciate. We do have a social consciousness to honor both within our communities and within the smaller subset of our soaring community. But I am afraid I am not picking up the vibe of genuine concern coming from you, only anger toward someone who doesn’t conform to your idea of how one should behave.
>
> As for saying alot of “wrong things in my posts” I think I clearly relayed the bonefied sources of data and logic which supported my reasoning. Once again, if you are living in the midst of an infected area, do whatever you and the govt feel you need to do. I don’t. My county has ZERO cases of covid, my entire state is only reporting 50 cases total! I am loosing zero sleep over my chances of infection or my chances of infecting anyone else thru glider flying. If you don’t accept that so be it.
Uneekc, your recommendations are harmful to everyone.
Andy, yes in all seriousness, they would be welcome, I would put them in quarentine for a week or so in our guest house to make sure symptoms dont show themselves, but yes, I dont blame anyone for wanting to get out of rampent infected areas. Ask those poor folks who were cooped up on that cruise ship just waiting to get infected.
Well Tow, then don’t follow them. And ya better stay the hell outta my thermal while your at it, you may not be safe.
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Well Tow, then don’t follow them. And ya better stay the hell outta my thermal while your at it, you may not be safe.
Oh yeah? I've seen a whole gaggle scatter when I've entered a thermal at high speed!
Andy Blackburn[_3_]
March 22nd 20, 04:15 AM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:10:43 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Andy, yes in all seriousness, they would be welcome, I would put them in quarentine for a week or so in our guest house to make sure symptoms dont show themselves, but yes, I dont blame anyone for wanting to get out of rampent infected areas. Ask those poor folks who were cooped up on that cruise ship just waiting to get infected.
They don't want to be in quarantine - they say that is an overreaction, like all this shutting down restaurants and retail. Hope you don't mind.
AB
2G
March 22nd 20, 06:12 AM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 5:41:19 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> 2G I surely don’t need you to save my life. Yours is one of the ballsyist statements I’ve ever heard on here. Goes along with your advise for me to not land out, not thermal low and to fill my bird with electric gizmo’s cause if I don’t I will die.
>
> If your concern is genuine, that I would surely appreciate. We do have a social consciousness to honor both within our communities and within the smaller subset of our soaring community. But I am afraid I am not picking up the vibe of genuine concern coming from you, only anger toward someone who doesn’t conform to your idea of how one should behave.
>
> As for saying alot of “wrong things in my posts” I think I clearly relayed the bonefied sources of data and logic which supported my reasoning. Once again, if you are living in the midst of an infected area, do whatever you and the govt feel you need to do. I don’t. My county has ZERO cases of covid, my entire state is only reporting 50 cases total! I am loosing zero sleep over my chances of infection or my chances of infecting anyone else thru glider flying. If you don’t accept that so be it.
LOL! My county (Benton, WA) also had ZERO cases less than a week ago: as of today it has 3 deaths and 11 cases. I repeat, lack of symptoms DOES NOT mean no infection: just go ask your cousin!
BTW, you're welcome.
Tom
Don Johnstone[_4_]
March 22nd 20, 09:59 AM
At 06:12 22 March 2020, 2G wrote:
>
>LOL! My county (Benton, WA) also had ZERO cases less than a week
ago: as
>of=
> today it has 3 deaths and 11 cases. I repeat, lack of symptoms DOES
NOT
>me=
>an no infection: just go ask your cousin!
>
>BTW, you're welcome.
>
>Tom
Tom, you are banging your head against a thick wall mate. There are
those in this world who will refuse to do what they are asked to do, find
excuses why they know better and just carry on despite the harm that
they may do to others. I believe you have a name for them over your
side of the pond.
They are insignificant little people in all ways except the harm they do
to others, best to ignore them completely and hope Darwinism will
eventually prevail.
India November[_2_]
March 22nd 20, 12:37 PM
I like cats...but I couldn't eat a whole one!
Jonathan St. Cloud
March 22nd 20, 02:02 PM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:14:40 AM UTC-7, IADPE wrote:
> I was thinking seriously about buying a glider but with the current economic uncertainty have stepped back until things are clearer.
Buy the glider!!!! This is a perfect sport for social distancing.
Yeh we have a name for them, there called to Independant, the Free, the Innovators, the Leaders, the Winners, the Self Sufficient. Sounds like some here have lost the capacity for independent thought or action, oh well, nothing new....see it in the air all the time, the inability to make a decision, the freely think for ones self...... ya better just keep following the other guy.
I guess it transfers to the ground.....oh wait, this is a chicken vs egg thing, which came first? ..... ya must feel real insecure without your social “flarm” in operation........better keep following...baah..baah...baah
🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
Hey there “Mate”, must sound kinda familiar to you “down” under 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑.....what’s that you say? No personal gun ownership allowed?.....”baah baah baah”.
I always knew LAMB chops were tasty, yeh follow the herd, feels real secure doesn’t it...but it usually leads to an “inclosure” and...... whats that I see at the end of the trail?.....oh I know what that is.........its the slaughter house.....Oh now thats a funny sound ....kinda makes a dull “THUNK...THUNK” sound........ ever hear of a livestock stun gun?.....gee I think the “stunning” is already in full operation, it must have started years ago.
Well I guess all I can say is, enjoy the trail while your on it, lots of pretty views, feels real secure and stable under your little hooves, and plenty of people directing you along your happy way.
agca
Perhaps you should try a snickers bar?
Yeh jjd, one kinda can get a little tweeked on here with some of these posts..mea culpa mea culpa.
Dan
And Geez Louiz jjd your the guy who started this mess lol lol thanks alot😄😄
2G
March 22nd 20, 03:59 PM
On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 3:00:05 AM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
> At 06:12 22 March 2020, 2G wrote:
>
> >
> >LOL! My county (Benton, WA) also had ZERO cases less than a week
> ago: as
> >of=
> > today it has 3 deaths and 11 cases. I repeat, lack of symptoms DOES
> NOT
> >me=
> >an no infection: just go ask your cousin!
> >
> >BTW, you're welcome.
> >
> >Tom
>
> Tom, you are banging your head against a thick wall mate. There are
> those in this world who will refuse to do what they are asked to do, find
> excuses why they know better and just carry on despite the harm that
> they may do to others. I believe you have a name for them over your
> side of the pond.
> They are insignificant little people in all ways except the harm they do
> to others, best to ignore them completely and hope Darwinism will
> eventually prevail.
Don,
You are right, of course. I guess I am an eternal optimist: even if I can't sway the mind of someone as obstinate as Cowgirl, I just might plant a seed in someone else who reads these posts but is silent. Personally, I have been struck the extremely contagious nature of CV that necessitates these extreme actions. And I even got Cowgirl to talk to her cousin at the CDC.
Tom
kinsell
March 22nd 20, 06:16 PM
On 3/22/20 9:59 AM, 2G wrote:
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 3:00:05 AM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
>> At 06:12 22 March 2020, 2G wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> LOL! My county (Benton, WA) also had ZERO cases less than a week
>> ago: as
>>> of=
>>> today it has 3 deaths and 11 cases. I repeat, lack of symptoms DOES
>> NOT
>>> me=
>>> an no infection: just go ask your cousin!
>>>
>>> BTW, you're welcome.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>> Tom, you are banging your head against a thick wall mate. There are
>> those in this world who will refuse to do what they are asked to do, find
>> excuses why they know better and just carry on despite the harm that
>> they may do to others. I believe you have a name for them over your
>> side of the pond.
>> They are insignificant little people in all ways except the harm they do
>> to others, best to ignore them completely and hope Darwinism will
>> eventually prevail.
>
> Don,
>
> You are right, of course. I guess I am an eternal optimist: even if I can't sway the mind of someone as obstinate as Cowgirl, I just might plant a seed in someone else who reads these posts but is silent. Personally, I have been struck the extremely contagious nature of CV that necessitates these extreme actions. And I even got Cowgirl to talk to her cousin at the CDC.
>
> Tom
>
Cowgirl occasionally signs his/her/its postings as "Dan", so not clear
what his/her/its pronouns are. Best to just get a decent usenet reader,
and put whatever in the kill file.
It depends which laptop I am using to post. Most of the time my machine is out in my hangar so I use the wifes, or her cell phone, thats where the uneekcowgirl is coming from. Im just too lazy to change user settings. And since so much of what is posted nowadays is trash, its not worth going thru the bother.
Dan
I’m busy re-reading the Soaring articles from the late 1960’s right now since the wx is stinko for soaring today. Much more entertaining than this here stuff. Helps to get me tuned up for racing later in the year too lol.
Dan
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
March 22nd 20, 06:57 PM
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:16:29 -0600, kinsell wrote:
> On 3/22/20 9:59 AM, 2G wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 3:00:05 AM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
>>> At 06:12 22 March 2020, 2G wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> LOL! My county (Benton, WA) also had ZERO cases less than a week
>>> ago: as
>>>> of=
>>>> today it has 3 deaths and 11 cases. I repeat, lack of symptoms DOES
>>> NOT
>>>> me=
>>>> an no infection: just go ask your cousin!
>>>>
>>>> BTW, you're welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>
>>> Tom, you are banging your head against a thick wall mate. There are
>>> those in this world who will refuse to do what they are asked to do,
>>> find excuses why they know better and just carry on despite the harm
>>> that they may do to others. I believe you have a name for them over
>>> your side of the pond.
>>> They are insignificant little people in all ways except the harm they
>>> do to others, best to ignore them completely and hope Darwinism will
>>> eventually prevail.
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You are right, of course. I guess I am an eternal optimist: even if I
>> can't sway the mind of someone as obstinate as Cowgirl, I just might
>> plant a seed in someone else who reads these posts but is silent.
>> Personally, I have been struck the extremely contagious nature of CV
>> that necessitates these extreme actions. And I even got Cowgirl to talk
>> to her cousin at the CDC.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
> Cowgirl occasionally signs his/her/its postings as "Dan", so not clear
> what his/her/its pronouns are. Best to just get a decent usenet reader,
> and put whatever in the kill file.
The currently popular pronoun when gender is unknown seems to be 'they'.
Dunno if I like it all that much but at least its inoffensive and seems
to be the politically correct flavour of the month round here. Its used
by both 'New Scientist' and 'The Register'. The latter snarks more than
the former.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
kinsell
March 22nd 20, 08:01 PM
On 3/22/20 12:57 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:16:29 -0600, kinsell wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/20 9:59 AM, 2G wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 3:00:05 AM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
>>>> At 06:12 22 March 2020, 2G wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> LOL! My county (Benton, WA) also had ZERO cases less than a week
>>>> ago: as
>>>>> of=
>>>>> today it has 3 deaths and 11 cases. I repeat, lack of symptoms DOES
>>>> NOT
>>>>> me=
>>>>> an no infection: just go ask your cousin!
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, you're welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Tom, you are banging your head against a thick wall mate. There are
>>>> those in this world who will refuse to do what they are asked to do,
>>>> find excuses why they know better and just carry on despite the harm
>>>> that they may do to others. I believe you have a name for them over
>>>> your side of the pond.
>>>> They are insignificant little people in all ways except the harm they
>>>> do to others, best to ignore them completely and hope Darwinism will
>>>> eventually prevail.
>>>
>>> Don,
>>>
>>> You are right, of course. I guess I am an eternal optimist: even if I
>>> can't sway the mind of someone as obstinate as Cowgirl, I just might
>>> plant a seed in someone else who reads these posts but is silent.
>>> Personally, I have been struck the extremely contagious nature of CV
>>> that necessitates these extreme actions. And I even got Cowgirl to talk
>>> to her cousin at the CDC.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>> Cowgirl occasionally signs his/her/its postings as "Dan", so not clear
>> what his/her/its pronouns are. Best to just get a decent usenet reader,
>> and put whatever in the kill file.
>
> The currently popular pronoun when gender is unknown seems to be 'they'.
>
> Dunno if I like it all that much but at least its inoffensive and seems
> to be the politically correct flavour of the month round here. Its used
> by both 'New Scientist' and 'The Register'. The latter snarks more than
> the former.
>
Being inoffensive to Unique is of no particular concern, I just get my
news from the Babylon Bee, which puts The Register to shame in the
snarkiness department. Nice thing about killfiles is they work equally
well on all 58 genders. They don't discriminate.
https://babylonbee.com/news/springbreakers-arrange-scattered-corpses-to-spell-out-yolo
Well thats mighty “white” of you there kinsell.
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
March 22nd 20, 09:50 PM
> On 3/22/20 12:57 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:16:29 -0600, kinsell wrote:
>>
>> The currently popular pronoun when gender is unknown seems to be
>> 'they'.
>>
>> Dunno if I like it all that much but at least its inoffensive and seems
>> to be the politically correct flavour of the month round here. Its used
>> by both 'New Scientist' and 'The Register'. The latter snarks more than
>> the former.
>>
>>
> Being inoffensive to Unique is of no particular concern, I just get my
> news from the Babylon Bee, which puts The Register to shame in the
> snarkiness department. Nice thing about killfiles is they work equally
> well on all 58 genders. They don't discriminate.
>
:-)
The 'inoffensive' tag was not intended to refer to any entity, regardless
of their corporeal or spiritual existence or lack thereof and which plane
of conciousness they inhabit. Rather, it was meant to reassure those in
need of reassurance that using that plural nongendered pronoun in this
fashion is SFW and, indeed encouraged by those who find specifying an
unknown entity's gender to be problematic.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
K m
March 22nd 20, 09:55 PM
Uneekc, Are you a coke addict? That's so 1980s? Have you tried meth? I don't blame you for the drugs man, being on the front lines of the war on science has gotta be stressful. Antivaxer by chance?
Dan Marotta
March 22nd 20, 10:11 PM
NO, actually I find this quite entertaining and informative, Dan.
You're being treated precisely like a "climate denier".* Didn't we go
through that recently?* Reading all of the attacks shows the same party
line, only the crisis is different.* Global cooling, global warming,
melting ice with flooded cities, climate change...* You name it, if you
don't follow the party line, there's something wrong with you.
Here's another take on the subject: CoronaVirus
<https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/most-of-those-infected-wont-even-know-it-israeli-virologist-tells-world-leaders-to-calm-unnecessary-panic-over-exaggerated-coronavirus/>.
Most people who get the virus will get over it without even realizing
they had it.* One website now has US cases at 32,356 with 414 deaths.*
Now, if you want to talk about the flu, CDC estimates 38 MILLION cases
this year with 390,000 hospitalizations, and 23,000 deaths.* Now I ask
you, which scares you more?
This is what I believe, and I'm not in a line for the slaughter. While
others hoard toilet paper, I increase my supply of (gasp) ammo.* No
really, I enjoy target shooting; killed a bunch of steel targets just
last week.
On 3/22/2020 12:49 PM, wrote:
> I’m busy re-reading the Soaring articles from the late 1960’s right now since the wx is stinko for soaring today. Much more entertaining than this here stuff. Helps to get me tuned up for racing later in the year too lol.
> Dan
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Dan, 5J
IADPE
March 23rd 20, 12:01 PM
On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 9:03:01 AM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Buy the glider!!!! This is a perfect sport for social distancing.
It's not the social concerns but rather the economic. I'd hate to spend the savings only to need it for more pressing things.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
March 23rd 20, 10:29 PM
I am guessing/assuming.....I may be incorrect....
Sounds like some are likely to need to watch.....
Soylent green....soylent green
Or Logans run....
Both are 1970's era movies......both sorta fit the concept of, "you get old, you die" sorta thang....
Wait until you hit this point in time....
Keep in mind, most "old folks" either paid/helped pay for you to fly early on, or support flying where you are...
Yes, I have heard from a few "20 something's" that current virus is a "boomer doomer".....I plan to be around to annoy some youngers for a few more decades....as Monty Python would say..."I'm not dead yet!!!"... much to the chagrin of my 20 something kidlets....
Jonathan St. Cloud
March 24th 20, 11:55 AM
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:10:43 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Andy, yes in all seriousness, they would be welcome, I would put them in quarentine for a week or so in our guest house to make sure symptoms dont show themselves, but yes, I dont blame anyone for wanting to get out of rampent infected areas. Ask those poor folks who were cooped up on that cruise ship just waiting to get infected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4
AS
March 24th 20, 02:31 PM
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:55:38 AM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:10:43 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > Andy, yes in all seriousness, they would be welcome, I would put them in quarentine for a week or so in our guest house to make sure symptoms dont show themselves, but yes, I dont blame anyone for wanting to get out of rampent infected areas. Ask those poor folks who were cooped up on that cruise ship just waiting to get infected.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4
Damn you, Jonathan! I laughed so hard - I had to use some of my precious toilet tissue!
Thanks for the link, though. Good comic relief during the time of self-imposed isolation.
Uli
'AS'
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