Competition for Trade-A-Plane launched tonight

[Montblack]

Trade-A-Plane (TAP) has some new competition I learned tonight.

If you own an airplane AND are a pilot, you will receive a (FREE)
subscription to a new buying guide, Aircraft Owner (AO).

I think the first Vol. went out tonight. 125,000 copies shipped.

Take that TAP.

http://www.aircraftowner.com/
(Website is new. Seller's ads are coming to the website - maybe. Don't know
for sure)

This all was announced at a volunteer meeting I was at tonight for something
else. Don't know if the launch of Aircraft Owner (AO) made AvWeb or
Aero-News Network yet, I wasn't looking.

Question I had: Take Jack Allison....please. He's a pilot, looking for a
plane. He won't get a FREE subscription because he's not already an owner.

Answer: For now Jack might pick up a copy at the FBO - 5,000 copies sent out
to FBO's.

Anyway, that's the business plan they're going with.

http://www.aircraftowner.com/pdfs/AircraftOwnerLaunches1.19.pdf

Vol 1 looked (glossy) nice - lots of ads, one page of planes, same size as
TAP - just not as thick :-)

My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price. I like publications that
insist on prices included with each ad - cars, boats, planes, whatever. This
publication doesn't do that as of now. Neither does TAP. Oh well.

Anyway, it's FREE if you own a plane AND are a pilot. Not sure if they're
open to (FREE) subscription requests yet - you know, from pilots who want
planes. <g>

I think this venture might work out for Greg Herrick, the owner of Golden
Wings Museum - he's a smart guy, with a good business head on his shoulders,
and many succesful venturs behind him - ZEOS computers for one. 2003
National Air Tour for another.

BTW, He's vowing 5 Tri-Motors from Golden Wings at OSH this year - wonder if
he's got some Aircraft Owner (AO) roll-out promotion in mind? Hmm.

Oh, the museum's 6th Tri-Motor just trucked in from Alaska this week. Ford -
B model. It's a mess, but will (hopefully) soon be restored to flying
condition.


Montblack
After all that, I hope I make the darn subscription list!
Mmm....FREE :-)

[OtisWinslow]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price. > Montblack

I figure if someone doesn't post a price .. there's a reason. It's
way over priced. The last thing I'm going to do is call for
prices. I just pass over them.

[Dude]

"OtisWinslow" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price. > Montblack
>
> I figure if someone doesn't post a price .. there's a reason. It's
> way over priced. The last thing I'm going to do is call for
> prices. I just pass over them.

Me too! I see it as a sign that the seller is either not ready to sell, or
doesn't really value time.

[John]

OtisWinslow wrote:

>
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price. > Montblack
>
> I figure if someone doesn't post a price .. there's a reason. It's
> way over priced. The last thing I'm going to do is call for
> prices. I just pass over them.


I don't have to ask, I KNOW I can't afford it! ;-)
John

[Jay Honeck]

> I figure if someone doesn't post a price .. there's a reason. It's
> way over priced. The last thing I'm going to do is call for
> prices. I just pass over them.

Agreed. That whole "if you have to ask you can't afford it" mentality just
****es me off.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[W P Dixon]

I always feel like if I have to ask for the price on something I am dealing
with a shady used car salesman. So I do not ask, and whomever loses a
potential customer.

Patrick

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Montblack" > writes:

> My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price.

Here's a useful rule-of-thumb for that: If you have to ask, you can't
afford it. :-)
--
David Dyer-Bennet, >, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>

[Dave Butler]

OtisWinslow wrote:
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price. > Montblack
>
>
> I figure if someone doesn't post a price .. there's a reason. It's
> way over priced. The last thing I'm going to do is call for
> prices. I just pass over them.

That's interesting. I figure the prices in the ads are pretty useless. I doubt
that many airplanes go for the listed prices, anyway. By the time an airplane
gets in TAP, it's already been on the local market for a while and didn't sell
in the local market, possibly because it's overpriced.

Doesn't apply to specialty aircraft that may not have a local market, but a
Cherokee or a 172 or similar will be sold locally if it's priced right.

..... but I don't know, I've never bought or sold from a TAP ad.

DGB

[houstondan]

from a business 101 standpoint, the buyer should never be the first one
to quote a price offer. that's what people mean when they say "i'm not
going to negotiate with myself." the quoted price is just a starting
point but it is the sellers starting point, not necessarily the buyers
and unless you're dealing with an unwilling seller, that's the way it
should be.

and, as a seller, i would have the greatest effection for the person
who believes that if you have to ask, you can't afford it. i'll even
throw in my satisfaction guranteed money back offer. (if i'm not
TOTALLY SATISFIED with your money; i'll give it back! promise.)

dan

[Steve Foley]

What does one have to do with the other?

"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...

> If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :-)

[Dude]

"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...
> "Montblack" > writes:
>
>> My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price.
>
> Here's a useful rule-of-thumb for that: If you have to ask, you can't
> afford it. :-)
> --


To which I reply - "Sure, I will start - $1. Now you want to keep doing
this the hard way or get real?"

[xyzzy]

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> "Montblack" > writes:
>
>
>>My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price.
>
>
> Here's a useful rule-of-thumb for that: If you have to ask, you can't
> afford it. :-)

I think that about 99% of the ads without prices are from brokers or
dealers who leave off the price because they want you to call so they
can start talking to and selling you.

[Dude]

> I think that about 99% of the ads without prices are from brokers or
> dealers who leave off the price because they want you to call so they can
> start talking to and selling you.
>

Most of the good brokers seem to print most or all of their prices (don't
know why some are not printed). Sometimes I think they leave them out of
the print, but put them on the web.

OTOH, a broker who doesn't print the price is likely to be trying to size
you up and milk you for all he can get when you call. Caveat Emptor.

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> "Montblack" > writes:
>
>
>>My one pet peev is ads that don't quote a price.
>
>
> Here's a useful rule-of-thumb for that: If you have to ask, you can't
> afford it. :-)

Or not, but the seller will always lose potential buyers.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Jack Allison]

Montblack wrote:

> Question I had: Take Jack Allison....please. He's a pilot, looking for a
> plane. He won't get a FREE subscription because he's not already an owner.
>
> Answer: For now Jack might pick up a copy at the FBO - 5,000 copies sent
> out
> to FBO's.

Wow, you used my name *and* they knew me? :-) I'm expecting my free
copy to show up any day. Thanks for putting in a good word for me. Not
that it did a lot of good but, hey, you tried.

With the proliferation of web sites selling planes, another print
version isn't going to do much for me. Now, if they do like TAP and
offer you website access with the subscription, I'll take it. Need
prices though. Of all the planes I've considered, I think inquired
maybe twice on planes without prices.



--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Montblack]

("Jack Allison" wrote)
> With the proliferation of web sites selling planes, another print version
> isn't going to do much for me. Now, if they do like TAP and offer you
> website access with the subscription, I'll take it. Need prices though.
> Of all the planes I've considered, I think inquired maybe twice on planes
> without prices.


The subscription is FREE. I am fuzzy on where they're heading with that web
page. Hope they don't offer FREE web - but only to the subscribers -
username, etc. That would be silly. Web content is wait and see I guess.

If Aircraft Owner (AO) can offer (real) value to owner/pilots, it'll do ok.
If not....

Can we ask ...how's your hunt going?


Montblack

[Hilton]

Montblack wrote:
> Take that TAP.

Just curious, why the hostility towards TAP?

Hilton

[Montblack]

("Hilton" wrote)
>> Take that TAP.
>
> Just curious, why the hostility towards TAP?


Playful jab :-)

Company line....(upstart) Pappa John's vs. Pizza Hut.


Montblack - who still keeps something yellow in the bottom drawer of his
bureau.

[Morgans]

"Montblack" > wrote
>
> Montblack - who still keeps something yellow in the bottom drawer of his
> bureau.
>

Old underwear? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Steve Foley" > writes:

> What does one have to do with the other?
>
> "David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :-)

Uh oh. We're getting into "explaining the joke" territory here, and
that *never* works out well.

However...financier J.P. Morgan was asked by a reporter how much his
yacht cost to operate. "If you have to ask, you can't afford it," he
replied.

I take the absence of prices being mentioned in an advertisement to
indicate that they're selling stuff that falls into that category.

With the explanation, it may not be funny, but I hope at least you
understand what I was getting at, anyway.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, >, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>

[Jack Allison]

Montblack wrote:
> Can we ask ...how's your hunt going?

No, you can't ask. I could tell you but I'd have to...you know the rest...

:-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Montblack]

("David Dyer-Bennet" wrote)
> However...financier J.P. Morgan was asked by a reporter how much his
> yacht cost to operate. "If you have to ask, you can't afford it," he
> replied.


Some yacht.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-c/sp159.htm


Montblack