Long Distance Homebuilt

[wingsnaprop]

how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
to Hawaii ? 2003 nm

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/49c54b2d64a2d2e9/61c40b2b361f0616?q=small+plane+hawaii

Here's some food for thought -

The Deltahawk Diesel @ 180 hp (according to them which may or may not
be propaganda) gets 5.5 Gallon/hr. @ 65% power and cruises
easily at altitudes well above the OX requiring 17000 + Feet.

A GlassGoose can be made ( relatively easily I'm told ) with an extra
35+ Gallon removeable 'ferry' Tank in the storage area for a total fuel
capacity of 105+ gallons Jet-A

With a 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel @ 5.5 GPH @ 65% Power, thats 16.5 hrs @
the (Consevative) GG's 125 MPH = 2065 NM With a 2.5+ hr = 310+ NM
reserve.. on 105 gallons Jet-A At 6.7 Lbs / Gallon = 705 lbs of fuel.


Thats California ( HAF) to Hawaii ( ITO) ( 2003 NM) with a 3.0 hour
/370 nm mile reserve, In a Plane that, if ya had to ditch, would
~Probably~ not sink ! ( though you'd never want to put it down in blue
water swells)

But i don't know, Would a GlassGoose be any fun in Hawaii? : >

P.S.- yep you guessed it , UPS the Right Seat, a few tools, and all
your luggage to your hotel
Wingsnaprop

[MJC]

By the time the Deltahawk is "actually" available for consumer
installations, I'm pretty sure that Warp Bionic Drive will be the standard
aviation engine (around the 23rd Century if things keep going like they are
at Deltahawk).
I gave up on Deltahawk over a year ago and am going with an engine that
runs on avgas (Lycoming) rather than an engine that appears to be running
on, well, nothing.
I'd even bet that the Honda aviation engine will be flying before the
Deltahawk.

MJC

"wingsnaprop" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
> to Hawaii ? 2003 nm
>
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/49c54b2d64a2d2e9/61c40b2b361f0616?q=small+plane+hawaii
>
> Here's some food for thought -
>
> The Deltahawk Diesel @ 180 hp (according to them which may or may not
> be propaganda) gets 5.5 Gallon/hr. @ 65% power and cruises
> easily at altitudes well above the OX requiring 17000 + Feet.
>
> A GlassGoose can be made ( relatively easily I'm told ) with an extra
> 35+ Gallon removeable 'ferry' Tank in the storage area for a total fuel
> capacity of 105+ gallons Jet-A
>
> With a 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel @ 5.5 GPH @ 65% Power, thats 16.5 hrs @
> the (Consevative) GG's 125 MPH = 2065 NM With a 2.5+ hr = 310+ NM
> reserve.. on 105 gallons Jet-A At 6.7 Lbs / Gallon = 705 lbs of fuel.
>
>
> Thats California ( HAF) to Hawaii ( ITO) ( 2003 NM) with a 3.0 hour
> /370 nm mile reserve, In a Plane that, if ya had to ditch, would
> ~Probably~ not sink ! ( though you'd never want to put it down in blue
> water swells)
>
> But i don't know, Would a GlassGoose be any fun in Hawaii? : >
>
> P.S.- yep you guessed it , UPS the Right Seat, a few tools, and all
> your luggage to your hotel
> Wingsnaprop
>

[Dude]

"wingsnaprop" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
> to Hawaii ? 2003 nm
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/49c54b2d64a2d2e9/61c40b2b361f0616?q=small+plane+hawaii
>
> Here's some food for thought -
>
> The Deltahawk Diesel @ 180 hp (according to them which may or may not
> be propaganda) gets 5.5 Gallon/hr. @ 65% power and cruises
> easily at altitudes well above the OX requiring 17000 + Feet.
>
> A GlassGoose can be made ( relatively easily I'm told ) with an extra
> 35+ Gallon removeable 'ferry' Tank in the storage area for a total fuel
> capacity of 105+ gallons Jet-A
>
> With a 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel @ 5.5 GPH @ 65% Power, thats 16.5 hrs @
> the (Consevative) GG's 125 MPH = 2065 NM With a 2.5+ hr = 310+ NM
> reserve.. on 105 gallons Jet-A At 6.7 Lbs / Gallon = 705 lbs of fuel.
>
>
> Thats California ( HAF) to Hawaii ( ITO) ( 2003 NM) with a 3.0 hour
> /370 nm mile reserve, In a Plane that, if ya had to ditch, would
> ~Probably~ not sink ! ( though you'd never want to put it down in blue
> water swells)
>
> But i don't know, Would a GlassGoose be any fun in Hawaii? : >
>
> P.S.- yep you guessed it , UPS the Right Seat, a few tools, and all
> your luggage to your hotel
> Wingsnaprop


Why not just build an Aerocomp 6 or bigger and just put extra 55 gallon
drums in the back. When you get there, get rid of the drums and buy a futon
mattress.

[Ed Sullivan]

On 31 Mar 2005 13:07:46 -0800, "wingsnaprop" >
wrote:

>how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
>to Hawaii ? 2003 nm

Several years ago a Varieze or Longeze flew from Hawaii to San
Francisco and then on to Oshkosh
Ed Sullivan

[John Ammeter]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:51:25 -0800, Ed Sullivan
> wrote:

>On 31 Mar 2005 13:07:46 -0800, "wingsnaprop" >
>wrote:
>
>>how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
>>to Hawaii ? 2003 nm
>
>Several years ago a Varieze or Longeze flew from Hawaii to San
>Francisco and then on to Oshkosh
>Ed Sullivan

Wasn't there a Varieze that flew from Anchorage to Florida??

john

[Jerry Springer]

John Ammeter wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:51:25 -0800, Ed Sullivan
> > wrote:
>
>
>>On 31 Mar 2005 13:07:46 -0800, "wingsnaprop" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
>>>to Hawaii ? 2003 nm
>>
>>Several years ago a Varieze or Longeze flew from Hawaii to San
>>Francisco and then on to Oshkosh
>>Ed Sullivan
>
>
> Wasn't there a Varieze that flew from Anchorage to Florida??
>
> john

And then there is Jon Johnason that flew his RV-4 from Australia to
Oshkosh and back several time. Remember his last great misadventure was
getting stuck in Antarctica with no fuel.

Jerry

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:38:49 GMT, "Dude" > wrote:

>Why not just build an Aerocomp 6 or bigger and just put extra 55 gallon
>drums in the back. When you get there, get rid of the drums and buy a futon
>mattress.

Or just buy gas on the way...

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/longrange.jpg

Ron Wanttaja

[UltraJohn]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:38:49 GMT, "Dude" > wrote:
>
>>Why not just build an Aerocomp 6 or bigger and just put extra 55 gallon
>>drums in the back. When you get there, get rid of the drums and buy a
>>futon mattress.
>
> Or just buy gas on the way...
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/longrange.jpg
>
> Ron Wanttaja
Good one Ron!

[kumaros]

wingsnaprop wrote:
> how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
> to Hawaii ? 2003 nm
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/49c54b2d64a2d2e9/61c40b2b361f0616?q=small+plane+hawaii
>
> Here's some food for thought -
>
> The Deltahawk Diesel @ 180 hp (according to them which may or may not
> be propaganda) gets 5.5 Gallon/hr. @ 65% power and cruises
> easily at altitudes well above the OX requiring 17000 + Feet.
>
> A GlassGoose can be made ( relatively easily I'm told ) with an extra
> 35+ Gallon removeable 'ferry' Tank in the storage area for a total fuel
> capacity of 105+ gallons Jet-A
>
> With a 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel @ 5.5 GPH @ 65% Power, thats 16.5 hrs @
> the (Consevative) GG's 125 MPH = 2065 NM With a 2.5+ hr = 310+ NM
> reserve.. on 105 gallons Jet-A At 6.7 Lbs / Gallon = 705 lbs of fuel.
>
>
> Thats California ( HAF) to Hawaii ( ITO) ( 2003 NM) with a 3.0 hour
> /370 nm mile reserve, In a Plane that, if ya had to ditch, would
> ~Probably~ not sink ! ( though you'd never want to put it down in blue
> water swells)
>
> But i don't know, Would a GlassGoose be any fun in Hawaii? : >
>
> P.S.- yep you guessed it , UPS the Right Seat, a few tools, and all
> your luggage to your hotel
> Wingsnaprop
>

You don't have to wait for the
DeltaHawk, though it should be a great
engine when it arrives. The Diamond
TwinStar, equiped with two Thielert
Centurions, 130 HP turbo-diesels,
derivatives of the Mercedes Benz A-Class
auto engine, on its way back to Europe
from its Oshkosh appearance crossed the
Atlantic from Newfoundland to
Oporto/Portugal, a distance of 3535 km
or 1909 nm burning just 72 gallons of
Jet-A. That's the GlassGoose's fuel
capacity, isn't it? A 25 gallon fuel
bladder would provide the necessary
reserves.
The Toyota 2.2 liter D-4D Clean Power in
the new Toyota Avensis and Lexus IS with
180 HP at 3600 RPM would be a very close
alternative to the DeltaHawk, at one
tenth of its price.

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:38:49 GMT, "Dude" > wrote:
>
>
>>Why not just build an Aerocomp 6 or bigger and just put extra 55 gallon
>>drums in the back. When you get there, get rid of the drums and buy a futon
>>mattress.
>
>
> Or just buy gas on the way...
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/longrange.jpg
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Ron, you need serious help :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[wingsnaprop]

MJC wrote:
I'd even bet that the Honda aviation engine will be flying before the
Deltahawk.

Jeezzz MJC - the Deltahawk is at least Flying! Don't be so hard on
someone that is at least trying to do something thats SOOO VERRRY
difficult, unless you are working as hard as them to achieve the (
almost) unachievable. I respect Doug Doers Efforts, admire his
perseverance, and wish him Godspeed & all the Success in the world!

Wingsnaprop

P.S. Ron great picture- I laughed out loud

[Darrel Toepfer]

wingsnaprop wrote:

> Jeezzz MJC - the Deltahawk is at least Flying! Don't be so hard on
> someone that is at least trying to do something thats SOOO VERRRY
> difficult, unless you are working as hard as them to achieve the (
> almost) unachievable. I respect Doug Doers Efforts, admire his
> perseverance, and wish him Godspeed & all the Success in the world!

Is the Glass Goose still being sold?

Reads like 2 wings and a prayer... <g>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 31 Mar 2005 19:50:04 -0800, "wingsnaprop" > wrote:

>P.S. Ron great picture- I laughed out loud

I have to be honest...I stole the idea from the RV crowd. An RV-4 originally
was in the spot where I put the Fly Baby.

The Fly Baby in this case is one of the several South African 'Babies...this one
built and flown by Rennate Reeves. It has an O-235, which resulted in a rather
different look in the nose than your usual Fly Baby. She recently added a
starter, as the Lycoming proved to be hard-starting when hand-propping.

More shots of the plane...and one of the builder...can be found at:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/index6.htm#reeve-zsufi

Why can't the other members of *my* EAA chapter look like that....

Ron "holding down the mean" Wanttaja

[wingsnaprop]

>
> Reads like 2 wings and a prayer...
yes &
4 wings......

[Dude]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:38:49 GMT, "Dude" > wrote:
>
>>Why not just build an Aerocomp 6 or bigger and just put extra 55 gallon
>>drums in the back. When you get there, get rid of the drums and buy a
>>futon
>>mattress.
>
> Or just buy gas on the way...
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/longrange.jpg
>
> Ron Wanttaja

LOL, amazing stick and rudder keeping the FB on the hose with all that wake
turbulence!

[Morgans]

"Dude" > wrote > LOL, amazing stick and rudder keeping the FB
on the hose with all that wake
> turbulence!

No, amazing stick and rudder,
--
Jim in NC flying the tanker slow enough for the flybaby to get on the hose!

[alexy]

"Morgans" > wrote:

>
>"Dude" > wrote > LOL, amazing stick and rudder keeping the FB
>on the hose with all that wake
>> turbulence!
>
>No, amazing stick and rudder,

No, "no, 'amazing stick and rudder,'" <g>

--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

[riclee]

wingsnaprop wrote:

> how many homebuilts do you think have made the flight from California
> to Hawaii ? 2003 nm
>

Dave Lind flew his Long EZ from San Diego to Hawaii in the
late 90's. I think it took him 12 hours or so.

Another fellow flew his Glasair II or III from Hawaii to
Lakeland, Florida nonstop a few years back.

Ric Lee

[wingsnaprop]

Hawaii to Florida !! In a homeBuilt! Thats VERY impressive! to say the
least! thats just short of 25% of the Circumference of the EARTH !

I find the long rang flights fascinating, As a boy I'd ride my bike to
the AirForce Museum ( just 4 or 5 miles from our house) and study The
Story of the first ever around-the-world-flight of eight men in 4
specially built Douglas World Cruisers. of which, one is displayed
there ( Airplane, not one of the men). One of the greatest stories of
accomplishment over adversity ever!

Any place I can read more about the homebuilt that went Hawaii to Fla ?

Wingsnaprop

[Carl / KG6YKL]

> Dave Lind flew his Long EZ from San Diego to Hawaii in the
> late 90's. I think it took him 12 hours or so.
>
> Another fellow flew his Glasair II or III from Hawaii to
> Lakeland, Florida nonstop a few years back.

All this banter about long over water flights leads me to just one
conclusion... There are a lot of people out there with bigger
kahonies than me.

Feelin small.

[LCT Paintball]

>
> All this banter about long over water flights leads me to just one
> conclusion... There are a lot of people out there with bigger kahonies
> than me.
>
> Feelin small.


You know, they have medication for that now. ;)