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Bob Youngblood
March 31st 20, 11:46 PM
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
son_of_flubber
April 1st 20, 12:09 AM
Help me out here.
Are there both Flaming Liberals and a Non-Flaming Liberals? I don't understand the Flaming part.
Is there any such thing as a Flaming Republican and how are they different from ordinary Republicans.
K m
April 1st 20, 12:12 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:46:26 PM UTC-6, Bob Youngblood wrote
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW.
Are you drunk?
Bob Youngblood
April 1st 20, 12:15 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:12:12 PM UTC-4, K m wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:46:26 PM UTC-6, Bob Youngblood wrote
> > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW.
>
> Are you drunk?
No, just trying to loosen up from the Corona stampede. There is no such thing as a Flaming Republican, we do have Flaming Liberals.
The single action 45 is my wonderful companion when flying thru the toolies xc. It is great ballist, sure helps move up the l/d speed and is a wonderful ice breaker with the farmers and ranchers when I land out. I wonder if thats a reason lots of guys dread landouts, namely they are liberals and 1. Don’t appreciate farmers and ranchers, think they are contributors to global warming, rape the land and are uneducated hicks. And 2. They have absolutely no way of relating to them. After all, farmers and ranchers are absolutely overwelmingly pro gun!
Dan
Km, bringing this back directly to soaring, I sure hope you don’t land out in my neck of the woods, you would’nt last a day. Our conservative “uneducated hicks” would eat you for lunch and mail the bones back to your relatives, Lol But I’m sure your superior intellect and wonderful soaring prowness would likely get you home, but if it did’nt........ just saying.
MNLou
April 1st 20, 01:04 AM
Bob -
If you are trying to assure that nobody north of the Mason Dixon line ever comes to fly at Vero Beach, you are doing a great job!
Lou
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:15:41 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:12:12 PM UTC-4, K m wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:46:26 PM UTC-6, Bob Youngblood wrote
> > > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW.
> >
> > Are you drunk?
>
> No, just trying to loosen up from the Corona stampede. There is no such thing as a Flaming Republican, we do have Flaming Liberals.
The real CV stampede was all the kids on college break at the Florida beachs incubating and then dispersing all over the country. Much more dangerous than a few "NY Liberals" that may go south.
Just another opinion.
UH
Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own.. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.
Was wondering how long glider flying could remain nonpolitical. In real life at the airport I've only seen people on the left openly flying their flags. Won't be long before both sides raise their colors. When that happens clubs splitting on ideological grounds seems possible. Be interesting to see where all the talent goes.
JS[_5_]
April 1st 20, 01:23 AM
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:15:41 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
>
Pardon my French, but...
You lot are REALLY ****ED UP!
Jim
Aw Gregg don’t loose any sleep over it. Theres so few clubs and so few commercial operations left that I am sure we will all find a way to coexist if for nothing else than self preservation. You know all this b.s. mostly stays right here and never gets out to the field. My club is a great example. We have very serious strongly liberal as well as supper conservative guys both in our club. We all get along fine and actually we are able to have intelligent and civil conversations on political topics. All is good. We respect each other and actually value each others opinions.
Dan
Ah JS theres that intolerance that shows its face lil.
Charles Longley
April 1st 20, 01:31 AM
Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.
Dan Marotta
April 1st 20, 01:31 AM
Watch out, Bob.* That 2000 rounds is mighty heavy.* You might over gross
your ship!
On 3/31/2020 4:46 PM, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
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Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
April 1st 20, 01:34 AM
Single action 45?* Don't you carry it with the hammer back?
On 3/31/2020 5:23 PM, wrote:
> The single action 45 is my wonderful companion when flying thru the toolies xc. It is great ballist, sure helps move up the l/d speed and is a wonderful ice breaker with the farmers and ranchers when I land out. I wonder if thats a reason lots of guys dread landouts, namely they are liberals and 1. Don’t appreciate farmers and ranchers, think they are contributors to global warming, rape the land and are uneducated hicks. And 2. They have absolutely no way of relating to them. After all, farmers and ranchers are absolutely overwelmingly pro gun!
> Dan
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Dan, 5J
No Dan even keep an empty chamber under the hammer, but in texas strong conditions I may need to reconsider that and add the weight lol.
Shaun Wheeler
April 1st 20, 01:44 AM
The flaming ones are easier to shoot in the dark but harder to keep the groups tight on account of they run at the first sign of trouble.
Bob Youngblood
April 1st 20, 02:26 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:23:59 PM UTC-4, JS wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:15:41 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> >
> Pardon my French, but...
> You lot are REALLY ****ED UP!
> Jim
You guys need to loosen up, Just a funny post drives you guys nuts! Maybe we should get back to the afraid to land out topic. Bob
Bob Youngblood
April 1st 20, 03:18 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 9:26:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:23:59 PM UTC-4, JS wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:15:41 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > >
> > Pardon my French, but...
> > You lot are REALLY ****ED UP!
> > Jim
>
> You guys need to loosen up, Just a funny post drives you guys nuts! Maybe we should get back to the afraid to land out topic. Bob
Maybe everyone needs to read the Saskatoon chronicle and loosen up!
Stephen Szikora
April 1st 20, 04:00 AM
I think he jumped the gun (pun intended) ... not April 1st yet.
John Foster
April 1st 20, 07:06 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles Longley wrote:
> Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.
I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?
Don Johnstone[_4_]
April 1st 20, 08:46 AM
At 06:06 01 April 2020, John Foster wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles
Longley wrote:
>> Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly
taken
>=
>the spotlight off gun control. I don=E2=80=99t carry in my glider.
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>ally easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would
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>rry a custom 1911.
>
>I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my
person
>whil=
>e flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could
have
>s=
>ome extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit
bag, but
>it=
> is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the
>D-ring=
> of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would
interfere
>with=
> access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the
nuts.
>I=
> may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real
well
>dow=
>n there either. Thoughts?
You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be
at least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.
>
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
April 1st 20, 10:44 AM
On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 07:46:07 +0000, Don Johnstone wrote:
> You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
> experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
> irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be at
> least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.
>
With sharpened spikes for improved tree-climbing speed?
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Gregorie | gregorie dot org
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:21:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.
I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.
Charles Longley
April 1st 20, 02:35 PM
I don’t know maybe put something in the glider. If you have to bail out hope you land near the glider. I grew up in Alaska. It’s possible to kill a bear with a pistol but it’s pretty sporty. I had friends that did it. We usually carried .44 magnum wheel guns while hiking.
When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm. Don’t know if it’s true.
Of course you could take my copilots position. We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me....
Maybe that little texas 45 cal derringer would be just the ticket for packing inflight. It depends on you being a good shot and being pretty close however lol.
Dan
And as for the 9mm, always thought that is just way too light a load for anything. Need at least 40 or bigger. Its like comparing glide ratios, isn’t there always an advantage having a 40/1 ventus vs a 22/1 1-26? LOL.. Yes, some of us enjoy the challenge of working great things with the low performance birds, but the “bigger caliber” ones make for less stressful flying when over tiger or bear country, be it terrain or animal lol.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
April 1st 20, 05:29 PM
Your story reminds me of a decades old "joke"......I don't need running shoes to outrun a bear/big cat.....I just need to outrun YOU!
Agreed, not something needed to know in eastern US...but sorta fun (for those with running shoes) as well as sorta worthwhile.....
Things we bring up in this "crappy time on the planet"......sigh....
Roy B.
April 1st 20, 05:42 PM
We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...
Now that's funny.
ROY
Bob Youngblood
April 1st 20, 09:09 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:42:37 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
> We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...
>
>
>
> Now that's funny.
> ROY
I was visiting a local friend and rancher when he showed me where a gator , said to be the largest that he has ever seen on the ranch had killed a 2 thousand pound breeder bull and drug it into a canal where it would wait for the meat to rot and eat.
I guess the bull never stood a chance, a gator can outrun a horse for about 40 yards. Another reason to carry protection while in the wilderness. Bob
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:36:07 AM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote:
> I don’t know maybe put something in the glider. If you have to bail out hope you land near the glider. I grew up in Alaska. It’s possible to kill a bear with a pistol but it’s pretty sporty. I had friends that did it. We usually carried .44 magnum wheel guns while hiking.
>
> When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm. Don’t know if it’s true.
>
> Of course you could take my copilots position. We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...
Here is an actual analysis of all known (at the time of writing in 2018) pistol defenses of bear attacks. Bottom line: 97% success rate, including 4 with 9mm one of which killing the bear with a single shot. Bear spray was not very effective and totally ineffective if it is windy (it might work on unruly glider pilots, however). The bear was missed in the unsuccessful case..
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz6IOWpC5ZV
Dan Marotta
April 1st 20, 09:47 PM
A shoulder holster under your parachute harness might work.* When I was
flying in Alaska in the 70s I tried carrying my .44 Magnum six shooter
with a 6-inch barrel in a shoulder holster but it was too big.* The butt
was just under my chin and the muzzle was stuck against the seat pack
parachute in the ejection seat.* I took it out, handed it down to my
crew chief, told him to be careful as it was loaded, and went off to fly
the mission.
On 4/1/2020 12:06 AM, John Foster wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles Longley wrote:
>> Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.
> I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?
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Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
April 1st 20, 09:49 PM
Running shoes are only effective if there's someone else with you who
does not have good shoes.* I well placed shot to his kneecap ensures
your escape.
On 4/1/2020 1:46 AM, Don Johnstone wrote:
> At 06:06 01 April 2020, John Foster wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles
> Longley wrote:
>>> Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly
> taken
>> =
>> the spotlight off gun control. I don=E2=80=99t carry in my glider.
> But it=
>> =E2=80=99s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock.
> It=E2=80=99s
>> re=
>> ally easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would
> probably
>> ca=
>> rry a custom 1911.
>>
>> I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my
> person
>> whil=
>> e flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could
> have
>> s=
>> ome extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit
> bag, but
>> it=
>> is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the
>> D-ring=
>> of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would
> interfere
>> with=
>> access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the
> nuts.
>> I=
>> may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real
> well
>> dow=
>> n there either. Thoughts?
> You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
> experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
> irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be
> at least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.
--
Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
April 1st 20, 09:52 PM
There are bears in the east.* About 15 years back I was riding my Harley
up I-91 in PA when a black bear ran across the road in front of me.
On 4/1/2020 10:29 AM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Your story reminds me of a decades old "joke"......I don't need running shoes to outrun a bear/big cat.....I just need to outrun YOU!
>
> Agreed, not something needed to know in eastern US...but sorta fun (for those with running shoes) as well as sorta worthwhile.....
>
>
> Things we bring up in this "crappy time on the planet"......sigh....
--
Dan, 5J
John Foster
April 1st 20, 10:42 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 2:00:04 AM UTC-6, Don Johnstone wrote:
> At 06:06 01 April 2020, John Foster wrote:
> >On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles
> Longley wrote:
> >> Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly
> taken
> >=
> >the spotlight off gun control. I don=E2=80=99t carry in my glider.
> But it=
> >=E2=80=99s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock.
> It=E2=80=99s
> >re=
> >ally easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would
> probably
> >ca=
> >rry a custom 1911.
> >
> >I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my
> person
> >whil=
> >e flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could
> have
> >s=
> >ome extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit
> bag, but
> >it=
> > is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the
> >D-ring=
> > of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would
> interfere
> >with=
> > access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the
> nuts.
> >I=
> > may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real
> well
> >dow=
> >n there either. Thoughts?
>
> You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
> experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
> irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be
> at least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.
> >
Many of our local SAR guys carry a G20 with Buffalo Bore 220gr hard cast bullets. Same for local game wardens. This is widely viewed as the "bear" minimum caliber. Obviously, shot placement is critical.
Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.
Dave Walsh[_2_]
April 1st 20, 10:48 PM
So now motor glider pilots have another "advantage": no need
to tote iron?
Dan Marotta
April 1st 20, 11:50 PM
Better to have it and not need it...* What if your engine won't start?
On 4/1/2020 3:48 PM, Dave Walsh wrote:
> So now motor glider pilots have another "advantage": no need
> to tote iron?
>
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Dan, 5J
> Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.
Our Airport Manager is a former Vietnam POW who was shot down in 1972. Upon bailout from his B-52, his lensatic compass was caught under his 'chute harness when the canopy opened. He got three broken ribs out of it. However, that was just the beginning of his troubles.
Bob Whelan[_3_]
April 2nd 20, 01:30 AM
On 4/1/2020 4:50 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Better to have it and not need it... What if your engine won't start?
>
> On 4/1/2020 3:48 PM, Dave Walsh wrote:
>> So now motor glider pilots have another "advantage": no need to tote
>> iron?
>>
>
Heh.I've seen many a non-running automobile with plenteous bullet holes in the
hood region!
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Scott Williams[_2_]
April 2nd 20, 03:55 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:46:26 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
When I was young, Gun control meant the ability and discipline to place rounds where you intended.
Scott
Steve Bralla
April 2nd 20, 04:16 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.
John Foster
April 2nd 20, 04:17 AM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:23:09 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> > Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.
>
> Our Airport Manager is a former Vietnam POW who was shot down in 1972. Upon bailout from his B-52, his lensatic compass was caught under his 'chute harness when the canopy opened. He got three broken ribs out of it. However, that was just the beginning of his troubles.
Good point. One would need the holster positioned somewhere where it was NOT under a parachute harness strap. That could be "problematic".
John Foster
April 2nd 20, 04:24 AM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:16:34 PM UTC-6, Steve Bralla wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
>
> I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
> I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.
Sounds like you missed the "ribbing" tone of the OP, designed specifically to get a reaction from folks.
In all seriousness though, the decision whether to carry a gun is a personal one. Fortunately I live in a state (MT) where we still have the freedom to make that choice, where it is not already made (not allowed to) by the government.
bumper[_4_]
April 2nd 20, 07:34 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:36:34 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> No Dan even keep an empty chamber under the hammer, but in texas strong conditions I may need to reconsider that and add the weight lol.
Here's a link to youtube video that shows what can tragically happen if carrying chamber empty with a semi-auto. https://youtu.be/0FXHVjXPtJk
bumper
Bumper, its a single action colt I have. That means it has to be cocked every time one wants to fire a round. The only safe way of transport is to have an empty chamber under the hammer.
Moses Acee[_2_]
April 2nd 20, 02:29 PM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
Go Bobby Youngblood! Totally agree.
One of those less than manly fanny pack holsters might work. Put it on before the parachute or you will die if you jump. Downside is rear control movement and if it bounces in turbulence your gun is going to hit your gun.
Not an empty chamber advocate but not a bad idea while flying, you can always rack one while waiting for retrieve.
GliderCZ
April 2nd 20, 04:43 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:25:01 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:16:34 PM UTC-6, Steve Bralla wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
> >
> > I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
> > I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.
>
> Sounds like you missed the "ribbing" tone of the OP, designed specifically to get a reaction from folks.
>
> In all seriousness though, the decision whether to carry a gun is a personal one. Fortunately I live in a state (MT) where we still have the freedom to make that choice, where it is not already made (not allowed to) by the government.
When someone brags about their assault weapons, ammo and fear of flaming liberals, I'm not sensing the humor. I'm sensing a person with issues.
bumper[_4_]
April 2nd 20, 05:28 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 11:55:00 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Bumper, its a single action colt I have. That means it has to be cocked every time one wants to fire a round. The only safe way of transport is to have an empty chamber under the hammer.
Oh, right on! Wasn't thinking of you cowboys! All my SSA pattern are Ruger w/transfer bar, save for one black powder burner. :c)
Dan Marotta
April 2nd 20, 06:15 PM
A high altitude ejection from an exploding aircraft brings a lot more
forces than jumping out of a glider, including the high-g loading of the
rocket catapult.* With my limited parachuting experience (7 jumps), I
found opening shock to be practically non-existant.
On 4/1/2020 9:17 PM, John Foster wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:23:09 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>>> Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.
>> Our Airport Manager is a former Vietnam POW who was shot down in 1972. Upon bailout from his B-52, his lensatic compass was caught under his 'chute harness when the canopy opened. He got three broken ribs out of it. However, that was just the beginning of his troubles.
> Good point. One would need the holster positioned somewhere where it was NOT under a parachute harness strap. That could be "problematic".
--
Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
April 2nd 20, 06:22 PM
Doesn't it have a half cock hammer position?
I once had a Navy Colt .32 caliber black powder gun.* With that you
could load all cylinders and lower the hammer on the high ground between
nipples.* When you draw the hammer back, the cylinder rotates into battery.
On 4/2/2020 12:54 AM, wrote:
> Bumper, its a single action colt I have. That means it has to be cocked every time one wants to fire a round. The only safe way of transport is to have an empty chamber under the hammer.
--
Dan, 5J
It does but it would take much to trigger a fire, as it half cocks the cylinder rotates. Most guys just keep the hammer on the empty when transporting or riding horse.
Dan
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:36:07 AM UTC-4, Charles Longley wrote:
>
> When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm.
You mean your polar bears pack handguns?
Jim Beckman
bumper[_4_]
April 2nd 20, 09:55 PM
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 1:20:31 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:36:07 AM UTC-4, Charles Longley wrote:
> >
> > When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm.
>
> You mean your polar bears pack handguns?
>
> Jim Beckman
Commas do make a difference. :c) I thought most polar bears carried at least a 40 S&W, a few opt for 10 mm if the recoil doesn't hurt their paws.
Bob Youngblood
April 2nd 20, 09:58 PM
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:29:56 AM UTC-4, Moses Acee wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
>
> Go Bobby Youngblood! Totally agree.
Moses, when I first posted this thread I sat back and contemplated if it were the correct thing to do. Without a doubt this was one of the better things to take the fear out of the group concerning the COVID 19. Why not loosen up and have a laugh or two. A few months back things in this group were really getting boring with all the post about things like should I land with spoilers and centering thermals. I thought I would loosen things up a bit and tell the folks how I dropped my urine bags on trailer parks before landing, now that really set the crazies off.
After this post the crazies have gone ballistic, I even got phone calls telling me I was some kind of terrorist. How good it is to see some of these guys and gals actually enjoying the humor. Elvis is dead, like Lewis Grizzard once wrote, so humor and fun are the best things in life. Bob
Charles Longley
April 2nd 20, 10:15 PM
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 1:20:31 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:36:07 AM UTC-4, Charles Longley wrote:
> >
> > When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm.
>
> You mean your polar bears pack handguns?
>
> Jim Beckman
:)
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:29:56 AM UTC-4, Moses Acee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
> >
> > Go Bobby Youngblood! Totally agree.
>
> Moses, when I first posted this thread I sat back and contemplated if it were the correct thing to do. Without a doubt this was one of the better things to take the fear out of the group concerning the COVID 19. Why not loosen up and have a laugh or two. A few months back things in this group were really getting boring with all the post about things like should I land with spoilers and centering thermals. I thought I would loosen things up a bit and tell the folks how I dropped my urine bags on trailer parks before landing, now that really set the crazies off.
> After this post the crazies have gone ballistic, I even got phone calls telling me I was some kind of terrorist. How good it is to see some of these guys and gals actually enjoying the humor. Elvis is dead, like Lewis Grizzard once wrote, so humor and fun are the best things in life. Bob
Maybe making it an April fool might have gotten more folks to see the humor..
UH
Bob Youngblood
April 2nd 20, 10:53 PM
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:26:11 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:29:56 AM UTC-4, Moses Acee wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > > > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > > > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
> > >
> > > Go Bobby Youngblood! Totally agree.
> >
> > Moses, when I first posted this thread I sat back and contemplated if it were the correct thing to do. Without a doubt this was one of the better things to take the fear out of the group concerning the COVID 19. Why not loosen up and have a laugh or two. A few months back things in this group were really getting boring with all the post about things like should I land with spoilers and centering thermals. I thought I would loosen things up a bit and tell the folks how I dropped my urine bags on trailer parks before landing, now that really set the crazies off.
> > After this post the crazies have gone ballistic, I even got phone calls telling me I was some kind of terrorist. How good it is to see some of these guys and gals actually enjoying the humor. Elvis is dead, like Lewis Grizzard once wrote, so humor and fun are the best things in life. Bob
>
> Maybe making it an April fool might have gotten more folks to see the humor.
> UH
Yep, I pulled the trigger a day too soon.
This started with an AK47 and bored engineer/glider pilots.
Seems like we a missing a great opportunity. What's L/D for an AK47 round?
With the changing velocity on the way to target, I'm not sure what it means. Something to do with energy used per foot of range.
Mike N.
April 2nd 20, 11:47 PM
"Now that's funny, I don't care who you are, that's funny"
LTCG
Well lets see.....its gonna depend on if were dealing with a headwind. If so I am gonna take the “heavier” caliber lol
Dan Marotta
April 3rd 20, 12:11 AM
If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
which round will hit the ground first?* There's quite a difference in
velocity between those two.* (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
On 4/2/2020 4:45 PM, wrote:
> This started with an AK47 and bored engineer/glider pilots.
>
> Seems like we a missing a great opportunity. What's L/D for an AK47 round?
>
> With the changing velocity on the way to target, I'm not sure what it means. Something to do with energy used per foot of range.
>
>
--
Dan, 5J
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:06:46 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles Longley wrote:
> > Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.
>
> I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?
Bears are an extreme problem. If landing out here in Nevada, I'd be happier with any weapon with me, even a 22.
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
> which round will hit the ground first?* There's quite a difference in
> velocity between those two.* (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
>
>
> Dan, 5J
s=ut +½ g t^2
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
April 3rd 20, 12:55 PM
On Thu, 02 Apr 2020 17:10:31 -0700, towsked wrote:
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
>> which round will hit the ground first?* There's quite a difference in
>> velocity between those two.* (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
>>
>>
>> Dan, 5J
>
> s=ut +½ g t^2
Both land simultaneously at 0.56 +/- 0.01 secs. This assumes both guns
are fired at shoulder height by the same guy and were aimed accurately
horizontal. Under these conditions 'u' is zero so time of flight is just
free-fall time.
I've just timed this using a Seiko stopwatch while dropping the solid
alloy nosecone off a NATO ground attack practise rocket found some years
ago on the Helcheren target range in Belgium. Doing the experiment was
quicker than finding a measuring tape, measuring my shoulder height and
then calculating. Besides, it was more fun that way.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 7:11:39 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
> which round will hit the ground first?* There's quite a difference in
> velocity between those two.* (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
I think Galileo addressed this problem a few years ago in Italy.
Jim Beckman
john firth
April 3rd 20, 05:08 PM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
Not sure about the bears in Eastern Canada, but beware of the deer!
heard the one about the deer that " eats shoots and leaves"?
JMF
john firth
April 3rd 20, 05:34 PM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
Many years ago in my first US contest, newly arrived from the UK, untutored in US
geography and politics, we were flying a free distance out of Adrian, forecast as usual to be
a poor day. Seemed pretty good to me and I blundered on, heading down wind, staying high till the
thermals weakened and I was out of map. Following a river in a deep valley( probably the Ohio )
till I was down to 1500 ft and over an unknown small town, forest ahead, I elected to land on a school
playing field; quickly small crowd gathered, asked the usual questions.
I volunteered that I could have gone ten miles further but could see no fields ahead.
Ah, said one man " good thing you didn't, over there is West Virginia and in them hills the locals
figure a plane must belong to the Revenuers and they'd 'a strung you up"
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 7:55:35 AM UTC-4, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Apr 2020 17:10:31 -0700, towsked wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >> If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
> >> which round will hit the ground first?* There's quite a difference in
> >> velocity between those two.* (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan, 5J
> >
> > s=ut +½ g t^2
>
> Both land simultaneously at 0.56 +/- 0.01 secs.
Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.
More important question if you had mounted firearms on a glider how much would the glide angle be reduced by recoil? And does the effect change at different speeds?
Just mount them ti shoot backward n hit the trigger when u need a little boost.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
April 3rd 20, 05:50 PM
Punctuation makes a huge difference....I heard that (decade+) about Panda bears....actually think it was a grammar book many years ago....LOL....no slight....just saying....
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
April 3rd 20, 06:08 PM
On Fri, 03 Apr 2020 09:35:34 -0700, greggballou wrote:
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 7:55:35 AM UTC-4, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2020 17:10:31 -0700, towsked wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> >> If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and
>> >> horizontally,
>> >> which round will hit the ground first?* There's quite a difference
>> >> in velocity between those two.* (A bored engineer/glider pilot
>> >> here.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dan, 5J
>> >
>> > s=ut +½ g t^2
>>
>> Both land simultaneously at 0.56 +/- 0.01 secs.
> Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects
> fall faster in the real world.
Its certainly true for a solid alloy object.
This nosecone is 40mm long, 23mm max diam and weighs 22g.
> More important question if you had mounted firearms on a glider how much
> would the glide angle be reduced by recoil? And does the effect change
> at different speeds?
>
Ask a fighter pilot that, or (better) a Warthog driver. All I know,
second hand, is that a long squirt whether with .303s or 0.5s slowed a WW2
fighter down quite noticeably.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 3rd 20, 09:25 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> A shoulder holster under your parachute harness might work.* When I was
> flying in Alaska in the 70s I tried carrying my .44 Magnum six shooter
> with a 6-inch barrel in a shoulder holster but it was too big.* The butt
> was just under my chin and the muzzle was stuck against the seat pack
> parachute in the ejection seat.* I took it out, handed it down to my
> crew chief, told him to be careful as it was loaded, and went off to fly
> the mission.
>
> On 4/1/2020 12:06 AM, John Foster wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles Longley wrote:
> >> Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.
> > I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts.. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?
>
> --
> Dan, 5J
I used to live at an airport community. One night at twilight, while my 110 pound lab with laryngital paralysis, Carson and I were returning from a hangar a few rows over, we noticed a couple walking on the same path that lived in a hangar just two down from mine, so we picked up our pace to catch them. Carson's breathing was labored by his condition and he made a loud huffing sound. As we approached the couple from behind, the woman (Valorie)grabs her man's arm thrusts her leg in front to swing over her leg tripping him and she starts running. I helped my neighbor up off the ground Carson gave everyone a big greeting, then the questions started. Turns out, Valorie thought Carson's labored breathing was a bear, so she threw her husband to be on the ground and started to run away. Ten years later I had heard they were still together and still not married.
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 3rd 20, 09:27 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:50:46 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Better to have it and not need it...* What if your engine won't start?
>
-
> Dan, 5J
What if your gun won't go bang? What if it does at the wrong time and pointed in the wrong direction?
I think I trust me, my gun, and my aim more than your engine as far as “reliability” goes.
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 3rd 20, 09:47 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:16:34 PM UTC-7, Steve Bralla wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
>
> I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
> I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.
I started to fly XC 30 years ago and have never even considered being armed in a glider, at a gliderport, or really anywhere for that matter. However, there was on time in a flying career that spans many thousands of hours over many types of aircraft that it might have been nice to have a gun, but I had the training and experience to be safe without one. Right at sunset, I had a NiCad battery run away in an MD520N helicopter in the backcountry. Had to do an E-landing in a deep ravine at sunset. Thought I was prepared for this and the biggest mistake of all was among the 5 flashlights I had on board, not a single one could shine white light!!!! I was grounded and the fire had been contained to just the battery box. Didn't really have an emergency so I didn't want to trip the ELT. I started stumbling around in the dark, very dark, trying to find a place I could get cell coverage. Started to think maybe not a good idea with such limited visibility. Took stock of where I was and started moving back toward the helicopter when I notice a large cat was paralleling my course. I stopped, it stopped and sat. I started walking, that cat started walking. The cat has built in night vision, and switch blades on the end of every finger. In addition a cat has cat like reflexes. Yeah, I was fully aware now. I stood as tall as I could with arms out walked on toes at a steady pace back to bird and when I had to turn my back to open the open my skin was crawling. I have always owned a domestic cat and I know when you turn your back that is when they bite. It all worked out and I bought an STC Gel Cell battery.
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 3rd 20, 09:56 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 11:34:43 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:36:34 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > No Dan even keep an empty chamber under the hammer, but in texas strong conditions I may need to reconsider that and add the weight lol.
>
> Here's a link to youtube video that shows what can tragically happen if carrying chamber empty with a semi-auto. https://youtu.be/0FXHVjXPtJk
>
> bumper
Here is a counter point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUonA66btgI
A gun that is not loaded is a threat to the possessor. A gun that is loaded can be a threat to everyone around.
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 3rd 20, 10:01 PM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to span loading?
Bob Youngblood
April 3rd 20, 10:05 PM
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
>
> I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to span loading?
Yes, wing structural loads vary with length.
Gary Wayland
April 3rd 20, 10:58 PM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
A "REAL" flaming liberal is one that needs a wing runner! :)
Bob Youngblood
April 4th 20, 12:45 AM
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:58:11 PM UTC-4, Gary Wayland wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
>
>
> A "REAL" flaming liberal is one that needs a wing runner! :)
Gary, what would our old friend E9 say???
Dan Marotta
April 4th 20, 02:39 AM
I think the odds of either of those maladies are remote enough as to be
non existent.
On 4/3/2020 2:27 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:50:46 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Better to have it and not need it...* What if your engine won't start?
>>
> -
>> Dan, 5J
> What if your gun won't go bang? What if it does at the wrong time and pointed in the wrong direction?
--
Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
April 4th 20, 02:42 AM
Scary story, Johathan.* Glad it worked out OK, but it's always best to
stay with the aircraft in a survival situation.* I'll bet you know that now!
On 4/3/2020 2:47 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:16:34 PM UTC-7, Steve Bralla wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
>>> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
>>> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
>>> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
>> I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
>> I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.
> I started to fly XC 30 years ago and have never even considered being armed in a glider, at a gliderport, or really anywhere for that matter. However, there was on time in a flying career that spans many thousands of hours over many types of aircraft that it might have been nice to have a gun, but I had the training and experience to be safe without one. Right at sunset, I had a NiCad battery run away in an MD520N helicopter in the backcountry. Had to do an E-landing in a deep ravine at sunset. Thought I was prepared for this and the biggest mistake of all was among the 5 flashlights I had on board, not a single one could shine white light!!!! I was grounded and the fire had been contained to just the battery box. Didn't really have an emergency so I didn't want to trip the ELT. I started stumbling around in the dark, very dark, trying to find a place I could get cell coverage. Started to think maybe not a good idea with such limited visibility. Took stock of where I was and started moving back toward the helicopter when I notice a large cat was paralleling my course. I stopped, it stopped and sat. I started walking, that cat started walking. The cat has built in night vision, and switch blades on the end of every finger. In addition a cat has cat like reflexes. Yeah, I was fully aware now. I stood as tall as I could with arms out walked on toes at a steady pace back to bird and when I had to turn my back to open the open my skin was crawling. I have always owned a domestic cat and I know when you turn your back that is when they bite. It all worked out and I bought an STC Gel Cell battery.
--
Dan, 5J
Turkey Vulture
April 4th 20, 01:07 PM
I think the last time wack-job conservatives actually went head-to-head with flaming liberals it was called the Civil War. Don't overestimate your abilities with those AK-47's wack-jobs, learn from your ancestors. However, if you must press your luck, all of us moderates will be happy to take your nice ASW 27 with a crappy rifle stored inside it.
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 9:39:27 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I think the odds of either of those maladies are remote enough as to be
> non existent.
>
> On 4/3/2020 2:27 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:50:46 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >> Better to have it and not need it...* What if your engine won't start?
> >>
> > -
> >> Dan, 5J
> > What if your gun won't go bang? What if it does at the wrong time and pointed in the wrong direction?
>
> --
> Dan, 5J
Statistics would disagree with both of these ideas about the danger of guns and animals, with a cursory analysis of the data being completely sufficient.
Some accidental shooting statistics. 2006 to 2016 had 6885 deaths.
https://www.aftermath.com/content/accidental-shooting-deaths-statistics/
And some cougar attack statistics. If you are an adult your risk dying from cougar attack is basically nil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America
Another quick internets search reveals an interesting connection with bear attacks and deaths... A cursory examination shows a high correlation of being attacked\dying by a bear with to your attempt to kill them. Shocker.
I spent a lot of time in the woods in the in my 20's across the western US, lower 48, frequently months at a time, with the most remote locations spent in a tent, some of that completely alone. I've never felt a need or a benefit to carrying a weapon. Ran into plenty of bears, wild ones in Montana and elsewhere, and play bears in southern California (probably just as dangerous). I've even been on the wrong side of a (very large) cougar stalking.. That one was 1000 feet from the La Cresenta, CA suburbs where the truly dangerous cougars are, lol.
An attempt at an honest understanding of the animals actual motivations seemed to serve me well. They are wild animals, but south of the Canadian border we are not on their food chain.
Well arche I guess you havent been to montana lately. The grizzly population has exploaded, and if your elk or mule deer hunting in the fall you better shoot-kill- and pack up quick. The griz where we huntcome running at the sound of a shoot to steal your game. This has happened once to us and twice in the last year to hunting friends. Things are not like they used to be.
And as for a running gun war between conservatives n libs, the libs would’nt stand a chance. Where they live they have/are working to ban all gun ownership n the only folks in the urban lib zones are the criminals. When this ficticious war breaks out they will be busy ripping you all off, good luck with that.
Oh one last thought, let me remind you, your great white northern savior Abraham Lincoln........ was a Republican!!! Hows that for irony lol.
Oh and as to that wonderfull machine, correction, its a great gun in a greater machine lol
Peace
Dan
Jonathon May
April 4th 20, 03:45 PM
At 12:07 04 April 2020, Turkey Vulture wrote:
>I think the last time wack-job conservatives actually went head-
to-head
>wit=
>h flaming liberals it was called the Civil War. Don't overestimate
your
>abi=
>lities with those AK-47's wack-jobs, learn from your ancestors.
However,
>if=
> you must press your luck, all of us moderates will be happy to
take your
>n=
>ice ASW 27 with a crappy rifle stored inside it.
>
I am a Brit so know nothing about the USA,
can you get a form1 for a gun rack?
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 7:25:03 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> Oh one last thought, let me remind you, your great white northern savior Abraham Lincoln........
> was a Republican!!! Hows that for irony lol.
My understanding is that back then the political platforms and leanings were the opposite of today. Here's a place to start researching this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States
And an opinion piece:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/09/04/donald-trumps-republican-party-is-not-party-lincoln/
5Z
Scott Williams[_2_]
April 4th 20, 05:59 PM
As I am a moderate conservative gun owner living in a conservative State which allows Constitutional carry of firearms, concealed or otherwise, I agree with the "flaming Liberals". Specifically, no east or west coast (read liberal/democrat)resident should be allowed to own any means (read firearms) to defend themselves wherever and whatever situation they may find themselves in.
This opinion seems to meet both proponents and detractors of the 2nd amendment.
Further, Who cares what I think!
Scott
Gary Wayland
April 4th 20, 06:54 PM
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:58:11 PM UTC-4, Gary Wayland wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> > > He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> > > I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
> >
> >
> > A "REAL" flaming liberal is one that needs a wing runner! :)
>
> Gary, what would our old friend E9 say???
I'm sure he would have Dog Piled this thread with colorful metaphors!
krasw
April 4th 20, 07:05 PM
This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.
Scott Williams[_2_]
April 4th 20, 07:10 PM
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:05:33 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
> This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.
I agree Krasw,
Next drift might be a religious argument, Thermal soaring vs Ridge soaring!
Scott
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 4th 20, 10:51 PM
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
> This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.
I tried to do a steering turn back to gliding by asking a gliding question, span loading vs wing loading, but was shot down.
“Shot down” now that one got me. lol
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
April 5th 20, 12:00 AM
On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 14:51:56 -0700, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
>> This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and
>> gliding. What.
>
> I tried to do a steering turn back to gliding by asking a gliding
> question, span loading vs wing loading, but was shot down.
Who knows anything about that and its effects, both expected and
unwanted, except a genuine designer?
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
Ventus_a
April 5th 20, 02:53 AM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to span loading?
Smaller wing area for the same span and wingloading results in a lower span loading which in turn means less induced drag
Greg Coles, Barnaby Lecture, c. 9:32 in, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9fuR8uwIc
Colin
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.
Not if they're the same size and shape. Really, they don't.
That was what Galileo was demonstrating. This video shows
the real reason we went to the moon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8TaPVsn9Y
> More important question if you had mounted firearms on a glider how much would the glide angle be reduced by recoil? And does the effect change at different speeds?
When I first started working for the phone company in NJ,
I shared an office with a guy who had flown P47 Thunderbolts
in the war. He said that when all eight .50-caliber guns
were fired, it felt like the airplane stopped in midair.
Jim Beckman
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:40:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.
>
> Not if they're the same size and shape. Really, they don't.
> That was what Galileo was demonstrating. This video shows
> the real reason we went to the moon:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8TaPVsn9Y
They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)
john firth
April 5th 20, 09:34 PM
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
> He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
> I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
Quick calc. Spitfire 2000 kg 8 303 guns muz vel 900 m/s 20sec burst
speed lost 1.5 m/s or 3 kt.
JMF
Steve Bralla
April 6th 20, 03:29 AM
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:40:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >
> > > Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.
> >
> > Not if they're the same size and shape. Really, they don't.
> > That was what Galileo was demonstrating. This video shows
> > the real reason we went to the moon:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8TaPVsn9Y
> They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)
I'm sure you believe the moon landing was a fake.
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)
Mythbusters repeated it in a vacuum chamber on earth :-)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mlszo
Bob Youngblood
April 7th 20, 11:25 PM
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-4, 5Z wrote:
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>
> > They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)
>
> Mythbusters repeated it in a vacuum chamber on earth :-)
>
> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mlszo
I need more rum for this explanation! Maybe Buzz Aldrin can knock you on your ass for this response. I did meet Neil Armstrong back in the late 70's in Ohio, I did not know who he was, he was admiring my new ASW20. Some guy came to me and asked if I knew who that was, I had no idea. I think he enjoyed the conversation also. Bob
Cumungus
April 25th 20, 03:58 PM
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:46:31 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:21:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.
>
> I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.
Bob,
I would advise following the instruction from your supreme leader & drink some disinfectant.
Or inject yourself with it -- you might get quicker results.
Bob Youngblood
June 29th 20, 11:50 PM
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:58:59 AM UTC-4, Cumungus wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:46:31 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:21:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.
> >
> > I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.
Shaun Wheeler
June 30th 20, 01:13 AM
On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 5:50:11 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:58:59 AM UTC-4, Cumungus wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:46:31 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:21:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > > Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.
> > >
> > > I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > I would advise following the instruction from your supreme leader & drink some disinfectant.
> > Or inject yourself with it -- you might get quicker results.
>
> I traded the AK47 for my new Sig P365 that fits very well into the right side pocket of the 27. It only carries 10, but I carry an extra clip just in case of a landout somewhere near Seattle , Baltimore or Atlanta. Bob
It's bad to run out of altitude, airspeed, ideas and ammo on the same day.
Jonathan St. Cloud
June 30th 20, 07:49 PM
I have run out of altitude, airspeed, ideas without ever needing ammo. In fact once I talked a passing aircraft to landing anf flying me back to get my car. If I had been an armed stranger, the prospects would be different.
Dan Marotta
July 1st 20, 01:43 AM
One does not show a firearm to someone who is helping him unless talk
gets around to guns and the good Samaritan is first to show his hardware.
On 6/30/2020 12:49 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> I have run out of altitude, airspeed, ideas without ever needing ammo. In fact once I talked a passing aircraft to landing anf flying me back to get my car. If I had been an armed stranger, the prospects would be different.
--
Dan, 5J
George Haeh
July 1st 20, 03:26 AM
If you're out in the real boonies, non Polar bears just want to stay clear of you. At least the ones I've met. Closer to human habitation including campsites, all bets are off.
And yes, bears are perfectly happy to declare eminent domain over any elk, moose or deer kill, whether by humans or wolves. Hang on to your tag until it's safely loaded in your truck.
As for Nanuk, make sure you see him before he sees you. Early 20th century explorers in Hudson Bay reported that polar bears were easy to hunt. Once you spotted one, make enough noise to get its attention and it would come for you. A reliable rifle was vital.
Stephansson reported stalking a polar bear who backtracked behind him. Hearing the bear smacking his lips behind him, Stephansson had just enough time to turn around and shoot.
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 1st 20, 04:55 AM
Oh perfect. How many glider pilots have had a land out and then successfully fought off polar bears with. Pistol? That is what I thought. I bet I am one of the only pilots on this group to actually have an emergency landing (NiCad run away) then get stalked by a wild animal (mountain lion). The only thing I would have changed is to have a flashlight capable of white light..
Dan Marotta
July 1st 20, 02:33 PM
I've come face to face with a black bear in the woods twice.* Same bear,
actually.* On both occasions I reached for my camera.* In a survival
situation, I'll try to avoid him but, like a fire extinguisher or seat
belt, I'd rather have it and not need it...
I've heard that polar bears will hunt a person but I won't be soaring in
the arctic any time soon.
On 6/30/2020 8:26 PM, George Haeh wrote:
> If you're out in the real boonies, non Polar bears just want to stay clear of you. At least the ones I've met. Closer to human habitation including campsites, all bets are off.
>
> And yes, bears are perfectly happy to declare eminent domain over any elk, moose or deer kill, whether by humans or wolves. Hang on to your tag until it's safely loaded in your truck.
>
> As for Nanuk, make sure you see him before he sees you. Early 20th century explorers in Hudson Bay reported that polar bears were easy to hunt. Once you spotted one, make enough noise to get its attention and it would come for you. A reliable rifle was vital.
>
> Stephansson reported stalking a polar bear who backtracked behind him. Hearing the bear smacking his lips behind him, Stephansson had just enough time to turn around and shoot.
--
Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
July 1st 20, 02:34 PM
Some really good pepper spray would help, too.* I took a whiff once just
to see...
On 6/30/2020 9:55 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Oh perfect. How many glider pilots have had a land out and then successfully fought off polar bears with. Pistol? That is what I thought. I bet I am one of the only pilots on this group to actually have an emergency landing (NiCad run away) then get stalked by a wild animal (mountain lion). The only thing I would have changed is to have a flashlight capable of white light.
--
Dan, 5J
rudolph stutzmann
July 1st 20, 07:22 PM
Just food for thought:
The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear's sensitive nose and it will run away.
It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.
Neal Alders
July 2nd 20, 01:25 AM
Just bought the wife a 365xl, and myself a Glock 45. My first glock. Im a 1911 and Berretta M9 guy, so this is my first dip into striker fired polymer sidearms...
Loving my Ruger PC9 Carbine. OMG... Had to set the reloading equipment back up to keep it fed. LOL
OldGent
July 2nd 20, 04:34 AM
Really guys, if you're so bored with soaring, why insist on punishing the rest of us with your distractions. I've a concealed permit too, but I found a Google Group more fitting for our interests; please take the "My dick is bigger than your dick" gun talk to a more appropriate blog site:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.guns
Neal Alders
July 2nd 20, 06:44 PM
You can always scroll on Sir. Don't like it, don't read it. Last I checked it is still a free country. For now.
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 2nd 20, 09:13 PM
Spoken like a true narcissist. This is a discussion group on soaring. If you want to discus guns please go to the appropriate newsgroup and not junk up our group with crap. That is just common curiosity, that almost all on this group would afford to you.
Il giorno mercoledì 1 luglio 2020 20:22:54 UTC+2, rudolph stutzmann ha scritto:
> Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.
a good laugh, thank you!
Aldo Cernezzi
Neal Alders
July 3rd 20, 01:08 AM
Pardon me for participating in a thread not on your personal "approved subject list". *eyeroll*
Steve Bralla
July 3rd 20, 03:48 AM
Why is there all this talk about "soaring" (what is that?) on this gun forum. You "soaring people should find your own newsgroup.
John Foster
July 3rd 20, 06:28 AM
On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 2:13:09 PM UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Spoken like a true narcissist. This is a discussion group on soaring. If you want to discus guns please go to the appropriate newsgroup and not junk up our group with crap. That is just common curiosity, that almost all on this group would afford to you.
Just in case the title of this thread was unclear, the point is the intersection of both areas (guns and soaring) as it pertains to flying a sailplane.. It is relevant. Landing out in "bear country" is a reality for some of us, and how to be prepared for that is certainly appropriate discussion on this board.
My main concern would be how to carry my piece in a way that was comfortable and didn't interfere with my ability to unbuckle my seat belt or pull my rip chord. And for what its worth, Id be carrying a G20 with Underwood or Buffalo Bore ammo.
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 3rd 20, 05:25 PM
Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation..helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 3rd 20, 05:38 PM
Sorry, rec.aviation.rotorcraft, not helicopter.
Bob Youngblood
July 3rd 20, 11:15 PM
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
CindyB[_2_]
July 4th 20, 12:20 AM
As a female who used to occasionally fly xc to Really remote places, with landouts possible in distances that could take crew up to 2 days to arrive, I was never worried about the Fauna. I had tracking before it was ADS-B or SPOT.
I had Great Crew.
I was prepared.
For the two-legged animals.
And Bob, I'm happy I outweigh our reptiles in this time zone...I can avoid and outrun them.
Cindy
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 4th 20, 12:53 AM
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
>
> Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
Funny thing, when you start your post insulting me, that is kind of the end of a two-way conversation, and why on earth would I have to point out the obvious?
Steve Bralla
July 4th 20, 01:17 AM
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
>
> Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
Bob,
when started this it was
"today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition." I guess you can skip the lizard protection BS.
Steve
No gun for me but a fire extinguisher in case I land out in a brush fire and a inflatable raft in case I land in the water.
Don't forget your sheep mask and a condom.
Steve Bralla
July 4th 20, 03:57 AM
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 7:25:49 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Don't forget your sheep mask and a condom.
No need for a condom, I'll use my catheter.
> No need for a condom, I'll use my catheter.
It might leak. Oh, wait. That's what it's supposed to do, and it's what a mask does anyway.
Dan Marotta
July 4th 20, 05:02 AM
Good points, Jon.* But why would any post which does not follow the
strict lines of the group's title cause the group to wither and die?*
How hard is it to simply skip over those posts which are not of interest
to the reader?* I simply right click on a subject which does not
interest me and select "Mark thread as read".* Or "Ignore Thread".*
Those work every time.
On 7/3/2020 10:25 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
--
Dan, 5J
Bob Youngblood
July 4th 20, 10:04 AM
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:17:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Bralla wrote:
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
> >
> > Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> > I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
>
> Bob,
> when started this it was
> "today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition." I guess you can skip the lizard protection BS.
> Steve
> No gun for me but a fire extinguisher in case I land out in a brush fire and a inflatable raft in case I land in the water.
I was right about the flaming liberals, just look what happened, CHOP!
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 5th 20, 06:30 PM
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, Steve Bralla wrote:
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
> >
> > Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> > I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
>
> Bob,
> when started this it was
> "today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition." I guess you can skip the lizard protection BS.
> Steve
> No gun for me but a fire extinguisher in case I land out in a brush fire and a inflatable raft in case I land in the water.
Imagine what a laugh the Australian pilots are getting out of this shameful public discourse of manufactured fears, and rationalization. Come to think of it, I will start caring a weapon incase a dingo comes to steal the child I never had, but I might someday in the future. No dingos here, well "people say" that there might be a colony establishing themselves with the help of animal rights activists. Better arm yourself. "They say" accidental discharges never happen either, so be more afraid of the Boggy monster than the real monster. Can we get back to gliding. I would still like a real discussion or course in wing loading vs span loading. Does a Discus at 7.0 pound equate to a Nimbus 4 at 7.0 pounds or does the Nimbus have an effectively lower wing loading? Aviators with the desire to learn more about aviation would like to know. Anything else about gliding? Would someone like to talk about "wind dividers and collectors in Mountain and ridge soaring......... So many topics that are useful to all pilots. Stay safe, and try not to shoot your balls off when reaching for your water bottle, or tightening your straps.
Bob Youngblood
July 5th 20, 10:49 PM
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 1:30:12 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, Steve Bralla wrote:
> > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
> > >
> > > Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> > > I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
> >
> > Bob,
> > when started this it was
> > "today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition." I guess you can skip the lizard protection BS.
> > Steve
> > No gun for me but a fire extinguisher in case I land out in a brush fire and a inflatable raft in case I land in the water.
>
> Imagine what a laugh the Australian pilots are getting out of this shameful public discourse of manufactured fears, and rationalization. Come to think of it, I will start caring a weapon incase a dingo comes to steal the child I never had, but I might someday in the future. No dingos here, well "people say" that there might be a colony establishing themselves with the help of animal rights activists. Better arm yourself. "They say" accidental discharges never happen either, so be more afraid of the Boggy monster than the real monster. Can we get back to gliding. I would still like a real discussion or course in wing loading vs span loading. Does a Discus at 7.0 pound equate to a Nimbus 4 at 7.0 pounds or does the Nimbus have an effectively lower wing loading? Aviators with the desire to learn more about aviation would like to know. Anything else about gliding? Would someone like to talk about "wind dividers and collectors in Mountain and ridge soaring........ So many topics that are useful to all pilots. Stay safe, and try not to shoot your balls off when reaching for your water bottle, or tightening your straps.
Jonathan, the Aussie's are drowning themselves in their own tears because they cannot get a weapon, only the criminals can get guns! It is not the dingo that we worry about here it is the Antifa. Yes, the Antifa, the male is a frail little animal that comes out out night and creates violence to the public. The female is usually twice as large as the male and has purple or orange hair. They are not employed, live off their parents and contribute nothing to society.
They are not glider pilots, only burn , pilfer, and destroy national monuments, and yes, they have parties to spread COVID so they can develop heard immunity.
Weather here has been dismal, I only made a few tows the last couple of days. I am in the market for a 18 meter ship, if you know of anything please let me know.
Jonathan St. Cloud
July 5th 20, 11:07 PM
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 1:30:12 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, Steve Bralla wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger.. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> > > > I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > > when started this it was
> > > "today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition." I guess you can skip the lizard protection BS.
> > > Steve
> > > No gun for me but a fire extinguisher in case I land out in a brush fire and a inflatable raft in case I land in the water.
> >
> > Imagine what a laugh the Australian pilots are getting out of this shameful public discourse of manufactured fears, and rationalization. Come to think of it, I will start caring a weapon incase a dingo comes to steal the child I never had, but I might someday in the future. No dingos here, well "people say" that there might be a colony establishing themselves with the help of animal rights activists. Better arm yourself. "They say" accidental discharges never happen either, so be more afraid of the Boggy monster than the real monster. Can we get back to gliding. I would still like a real discussion or course in wing loading vs span loading. Does a Discus at 7.0 pound equate to a Nimbus 4 at 7.0 pounds or does the Nimbus have an effectively lower wing loading? Aviators with the desire to learn more about aviation would like to know. Anything else about gliding? Would someone like to talk about "wind dividers and collectors in Mountain and ridge soaring........ So many topics that are useful to all pilots. Stay safe, and try not to shoot your balls off when reaching for your water bottle, or tightening your straps.
>
> Jonathan, the Aussie's are drowning themselves in their own tears because they cannot get a weapon, only the criminals can get guns! It is not the dingo that we worry about here it is the Antifa. Yes, the Antifa, the male is a frail little animal that comes out out night and creates violence to the public. The female is usually twice as large as the male and has purple or orange hair. They are not employed, live off their parents and contribute nothing to society.
> They are not glider pilots, only burn , pilfer, and destroy national monuments, and yes, they have parties to spread COVID so they can develop heard immunity.
> Weather here has been dismal, I only made a few tows the last couple of days. I am in the market for a 18 meter ship, if you know of anything please let me know.
" I am in the market for a 18 meter ship, if you know of anything please let me know." Oh great, gliding. Just so happens that our absolutely wonderful webinar series has an up coming one on buying and selling a glider. Steve Leonard, whom I would think is the world's foremost expert on buying gliders, and one hell of a nice guy will be presenting. I can only assume Sean Franke will be presenting on selling a glider, as I not sure Steve has much experience at that. Good luck I your search.
Yeh he’s an expert at acquiring but not so much on selling. lol
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 1:30:12 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, Steve Bralla wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:15:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > Let me give you two cautionaire tales. We used to have a great rec.aviation.helicopter newsgroup. The chief Sikorsky test pilot Nick Lappos was a member. In short order just two posters ran everyone away from the newsroup by posting crap that had nothing to do with helicopters,. Fifteen years later, this newsgroup is still not viable. As for guns in gliders for protection, not one committed or had a question when I posted that I was probably the only member that had an emergency landing in the back country and had an encounter with a wild animal capable of eating me. That leads me to believe this is not a serious question. Full disclosure, I did grow up in Idaho, gun country, and I used to shoot competitively. I also, early in life was a paid mountain guide. My professional opinion for the lower 48 that a gun anywhere in your glider is more of a danger than any animal you might encounter. When I had an E landing in the back country at sunset my biggest problem was only having flashlights that could produce, red, green or blue light. I did get stalked by a mountain lion for over 100 yards, he/she parallel my path 15 yards away. But being an avid outdoorsman, it had my attention but not too worried. I have encountered bears and mountain lions many times without ever picking a fight. This is not meant as any disrespect to anyone, but I believe if you are seriously considering carry a gun in a glider, that is more about self fears and doubts, not about a real danger.. Best regards to all and happy 4th.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan, you are a legend in your own mind. Just this week I was at a local ranch of a friend it is about 9K acres and has a beautiful landing strip that runs along a canal. The owner and I took a quick ride down the strip and he pointed out a large dead animal in the canal. I immediately was puzzled and asked what the heck is that? His reply was very short and to the point, he said that is my two thousand pound bull that Charlie killed. Charlie happened to be the largest alligator that I have ever seen, must have been over 17 feet long and about 1k or more in weight. As we approached the dead and rotting animal the owner informed me to stay in the truck, these lizards can can run faster than a horse for 50 yards and will attack and drag their prey into the canal waiting for it to rot and later eat for a wonderful snack.
> > > > I have landed on that strip a couple of times and I can assure you that I will be packing to protect myself from such encounters. Now you may not have that kind of animal in California, but please protect yourself from all those crazies out there. Bob
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > > when started this it was
> > > "today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition." I guess you can skip the lizard protection BS.
> > > Steve
> > > No gun for me but a fire extinguisher in case I land out in a brush fire and a inflatable raft in case I land in the water.
> >
> > Imagine what a laugh the Australian pilots are getting out of this shameful public discourse of manufactured fears, and rationalization. Come to think of it, I will start caring a weapon incase a dingo comes to steal the child I never had, but I might someday in the future. No dingos here, well "people say" that there might be a colony establishing themselves with the help of animal rights activists. Better arm yourself. "They say" accidental discharges never happen either, so be more afraid of the Boggy monster than the real monster. Can we get back to gliding. I would still like a real discussion or course in wing loading vs span loading. Does a Discus at 7.0 pound equate to a Nimbus 4 at 7.0 pounds or does the Nimbus have an effectively lower wing loading? Aviators with the desire to learn more about aviation would like to know. Anything else about gliding? Would someone like to talk about "wind dividers and collectors in Mountain and ridge soaring........ So many topics that are useful to all pilots. Stay safe, and try not to shoot your balls off when reaching for your water bottle, or tightening your straps.
>
> Jonathan, the Aussie's are drowning themselves in their own tears because they cannot get a weapon, only the criminals can get guns! It is not the dingo that we worry about here it is the Antifa. Yes, the Antifa, the male is a frail little animal that comes out out night and creates violence to the public. The female is usually twice as large as the male and has purple or orange hair. They are not employed, live off their parents and contribute nothing to society.
> They are not glider pilots, only burn , pilfer, and destroy national monuments, and yes, they have parties to spread COVID so they can develop heard immunity.
> Weather here has been dismal, I only made a few tows the last couple of days. I am in the market for a 18 meter ship, if you know of anything please let me know.
I have an ASH26e for sale that is in excellent condition.
Tom
The ASG-26E is far too modern to attract Steve's interest. He's more into the "Stone Knives and Bearskins" gliders. But that's a good thing. Keeps them alive and viable for historical purposes.
Unless the factory that produced them used slaves or told a sexist joke at any time in the past. Then, they should be burned.
Twice. To make sure we get the point.
bill palmer
July 8th 20, 08:49 PM
Ever seen a bear climb a tree? They’re FAST!
Suggest keep looking for other strategies
CindyB[_2_]
July 8th 20, 11:32 PM
Buying & Selling. On July 14th.
Yes, Sean will talk about effective advertising for a sale via his web service....
And buying a new one, since he's an importer/dealer.
Thanks for the plug for Webinars.
Register via this link.
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/3908163911188265487?source=R.A.S.
Webinars are free. 8pm EDT.
Cindy B
Webinar Team
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