Flight review

[ASM]

I need to get my flight review. Anybody knows who is presently operating? Since I live in southeastern part of Washington state I am willing to travel. Regards.

[Dan Marotta]

Sundance Aviation at Moriarty, NM is operating, but I'll bet you could
find somebody closer.

As a user of the FAA Wings program, I learned to my pleasant surprise
that my flight review had been extended from this month until the end of
February 2021.Â* What a deal!

On 4/20/2020 11:10 AM, ASM wrote:
> I need to get my flight review. Anybody knows who is presently operating? Since I live in southeastern part of Washington state I am willing to travel. Regards.

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Dan, 5J

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...

[6PK]

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 12:01:28 PM UTC-7, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
> Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...

At least in my case I completed the Flight Instructor Revalidation Course, what's left is the customary minimum 1 hour flight time or 3 flights to pattern to pattern altitude. At this point all I need is another CFIG to be brave enough to fly with me and of course my club or FBO operational...

[kinsell]

On 4/20/20 1:01 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
> Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...
>

They provided some relief on medical certificates, but that's not
relevant for U.S. glider pilots.

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=94991

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On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/20/20 1:01 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
> > Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...
> >
>
> They provided some relief on medical certificates, but that's not
> relevant for U.S. glider pilots.
>
> https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=94991


How do the FAA expect pilots to know this? Are pilots expected to check the FAA website regularly?

[Dan Marotta]

I checked with my insurance company.Â* They told me that, without a
current flight review, I would have no coverage.

On 4/21/2020 5:03 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
>> On 4/20/20 1:01 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
>>> Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
>>> Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...
>>>
>> They provided some relief on medical certificates, but that's not
>> relevant for U.S. glider pilots.
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=94991
>
> How do the FAA expect pilots to know this? Are pilots expected to check the FAA website regularly?

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Dan, 5J

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On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> > On 4/20/20 1:01 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > > Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
> > > Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...
> > >
> >
> > They provided some relief on medical certificates, but that's not
> > relevant for U.S. glider pilots.
> >
> > https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=94991
>
>
> How do the FAA expect pilots to know this? Are pilots expected to check the FAA website regularly?

Yes

[jp]

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:33:50 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I checked with my insurance company.Â* They told me that, without a
> current flight review, I would have no coverage.
>
> On 4/21/2020 5:03 PM, wrote:
> > On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> >> On 4/20/20 1:01 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> >>> Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
> >>> Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...
> >>>
> >> They provided some relief on medical certificates, but that's not
> >> relevant for U.S. glider pilots.
> >>
> >> https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=94991
> >
> > How do the FAA expect pilots to know this? Are pilots expected to check the FAA website regularly?
>
> --
> Dan, 5J

Dan I checked with my insurance company a couple of weeks ago. I was told that while my insurance policy would remain and not be cancelled by my need for a flight review, any claim I might make while I was out of flight review currency would be denied. Claims I might make after I had accomplished a flight review, even though that flight review would be "late", would be accepted for evaluation and not for the flight review reason denied.

How would the insurance company know I was not flight review current? The company would review my logbook when I filed a claim to ensure that I was current.

[WaltWX[_2_]]

JP, I have another concern. My Flight Review is due May 31st. I'm supporting a 95 year old father visiting him once or twice a week, my wife is very concerned about my "co-mingling" with glider people and/or being in a two place glider and therefore not social distancing enough . If I were much younger and single, I'd probably take the risk if I can find a flight instructor (turned 70yrs old last November).

Single place flying and self rigging allows much safer social distancing, so I'm not as concerned about that, as long as I don't do any serious cross country or contest flying.

I'm wondering how the rest of you feel about this dilemma?

Certainly, insurance companies are not going to give any leeway if you have an accident.

I wonder how likely the FAA will be to give special consideration for flight reviews... waivers possibly for another year.

Not sure about getting wings points to substitute or extends a Flight Review. I think that still requires flight with an instructor.

Walt Rogers WX

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Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel. Even done a few myself. With social distancing all the rage now, something to ponder.
I would give the examinee a list of maneuvers to be performed over the field, on tow, etc. They had to be current, actively flying. I had to know them and their skill level. 1 high tow, 2 patterns...throw in a downwind landing.
No crash, you pass.
R

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> Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel.

I wondered about that as well, nowdays with a radios and video cameras moving with pilots head, you might be able to do a pretty good flight review. But it needs good but also legal. The regs in 61.56 and 61.11 provide may some wiggle room (especially for glider pilots) but I'd want to see a letter from the FAA before depending on it. Seems like an SSA of AOPA thing?

[Waveguru]

or maybe all flight reviews could now be done on Condor. Heck, maybe Condor will be our only flight choice for the next few years?

Boggs

[6PK]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:18:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel. Even done a few myself. With social distancing all the rage now, something to ponder.
> I would give the examinee a list of maneuvers to be performed over the field, on tow, etc. They had to be current, actively flying. I had to know them and their skill level. 1 high tow, 2 patterns...throw in a downwind landing.
> No crash, you pass.
> R

That rule was created for initial pilot certificates not flight reviews unfortunately...

[Dan Marotta]

On 4/22/2020 7:02 AM, Waveguru wrote:
> Heck, maybe Condor will be our only flight choice for the next few years?
To quote one of the passengers in the movie, "Airplane!"...
Sh-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-t...
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Dan, 5J

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On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:18:30 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel. Even done a few myself. With social distancing all the rage now, something to ponder.
> I would give the examinee a list of maneuvers to be performed over the field, on tow, etc. They had to be current, actively flying. I had to know them and their skill level. 1 high tow, 2 patterns...throw in a downwind landing.
> No crash, you pass.
> R

Alas after the long off-season followed by the covid-season, many pilots who formally need a FR are definitely not "current, actively flying". Some pilots in my club I would be confident in letting them do an observed solo flight, others not so much.

BTW the ground portion of the FR could be done via Zoom or such.

[[email protected]]

>>As a user of the FAA Wings program, I learned to my pleasant surprise
that my flight review had been extended from this month until the end of
February 2021. What a deal!

Dan,

It looks like to use Wings for the BFR, you need ground and flight credits.

Did you have some flight credits, and how did you get them?

Stu

[Dan Marotta]

I did an Instrument Competency Check flight a while back with a CFII and
I've been doing AOPA courses and quizzes for years as they come along.Â*
They all seem to be linked to Wings.Â* Like I said, I was pleasantly
surprised to find the extension of my Flight Review and I downloaded the
certificate and forwarded it to my insurance agent. He checked with the
underwriter and confirmed the good news.

On 4/22/2020 1:52 PM, wrote:
>>> As a user of the FAA Wings program, I learned to my pleasant surprise
> that my flight review had been extended from this month until the end of
> February 2021. What a deal!
>
> Dan,
>
> It looks like to use Wings for the BFR, you need ground and flight credits.
>
> Did you have some flight credits, and how did you get them?
>
> Stu

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Dan, 5J

[Brian[_1_]]

Wings still shows mine expiring 3/31/2020.
It was renewed in 2018 by renewing my CFI with an examiner.

Fortunately I did a flight review early in March and have it signed off in my log book. Wings just doesn't know about it.

Brian

[Dan Marotta]

Doesn't the CFI you did the Flight Review with have to update your Wings
account?Â* But as long as you have the log book endorsement, you're OK.

On 4/23/2020 2:39 PM, Brian wrote:
> Wings still shows mine expiring 3/31/2020.
> It was renewed in 2018 by renewing my CFI with an examiner.
>
> Fortunately I did a flight review early in March and have it signed off in my log book. Wings just doesn't know about it.
>
> Brian

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Dan, 5J

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It works alittle different in my experiance so far, The applicant does the courses, the the wings program assigns task for flying with a cfi, then after doing the tasks the applicant claims the activity and tells the wing program who the cfi was. Then the wings sends the cfi a email asking him/her to verify the activity. Once the cfi verifys that the wings then gives the applicant the credit. It actually takes most of the liability and pressure off the cfi and back on the applicant.

CH, CFIG