Re: 1960's Disney soaring movie

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It's available from Cumulus Soaring. That's where I got my copy. I also picked up Dawn Flight at the Little Rock Convention from them.

Mark

[John Foster]

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:55:18 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> It's available from Cumulus Soaring. That's where I got my copy. I also picked up Dawn Flight at the Little Rock Convention from them.
>
> Mark

Is this the movie? Free on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHXiaMhSIo

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Yes it is
Do you know if quality of DVD is better than the one of YouTube ?

[Martin Gregorie[_6_]]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 02:12:14 -0700, befut8 wrote:

> Yes it is Do you know if quality of DVD is better than the one of
> YouTube ?

Seems likely, at least right now, because I've heard that YouTube is
using reduced bandwidth during the COVID lock-down to avoid network
congestion, and of course this reduces image sharpness. In any case this
film looks as if it was made for TV, back in the day when the NTSC
standard was a thing, with only 525 scan lines, which may mean that the
master copy's resolution was quite low. Would it have been shot on video
tape or film?

I watched it last night, found it was unwatchable in full-screen mode on
my laptop (1600 x 900 screen), so watched it as the small image. Nice
movie. All I could fault was the rapid weather switches during the Gold
flight and the rather unlikely auto-tow behind the old-timer's jalopy:
the rope looked a bit short!

Bit of a navigational overshoot though - Google Earth says he went 30
miles too far - and, from driving 395 to Lee Vining from Bishop I seem to
remember some fairly fairly unlandable country along the way.


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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

[kinsell]

On 4/24/20 5:38 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 02:12:14 -0700, befut8 wrote:
>
>> Yes it is Do you know if quality of DVD is better than the one of
>> YouTube ?
>
> Seems likely, at least right now, because I've heard that YouTube is
> using reduced bandwidth during the COVID lock-down to avoid network
> congestion, and of course this reduces image sharpness. In any case this
> film looks as if it was made for TV, back in the day when the NTSC
> standard was a thing, with only 525 scan lines, which may mean that the
> master copy's resolution was quite low. Would it have been shot on video
> tape or film?
>
> I watched it last night, found it was unwatchable in full-screen mode on
> my laptop (1600 x 900 screen), so watched it as the small image. Nice
> movie. All I could fault was the rapid weather switches during the Gold
> flight and the rather unlikely auto-tow behind the old-timer's jalopy:
> the rope looked a bit short!
>
> Bit of a navigational overshoot though - Google Earth says he went 30
> miles too far - and, from driving 395 to Lee Vining from Bishop I seem to
> remember some fairly fairly unlandable country along the way.
>
>

The YouTube version is only 240P, so the DVD would almost certainly be
better.

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On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/24/20 5:38 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 02:12:14 -0700, befut8 wrote:
> >
> >> Yes it is Do you know if quality of DVD is better than the one of
> >> YouTube ?
> >
> > Seems likely, at least right now, because I've heard that YouTube is
> > using reduced bandwidth during the COVID lock-down to avoid network
> > congestion, and of course this reduces image sharpness. In any case this
> > film looks as if it was made for TV, back in the day when the NTSC
> > standard was a thing, with only 525 scan lines, which may mean that the
> > master copy's resolution was quite low. Would it have been shot on video
> > tape or film?
> >
> > I watched it last night, found it was unwatchable in full-screen mode on
> > my laptop (1600 x 900 screen), so watched it as the small image. Nice
> > movie. All I could fault was the rapid weather switches during the Gold
> > flight and the rather unlikely auto-tow behind the old-timer's jalopy:
> > the rope looked a bit short!
> >
> > Bit of a navigational overshoot though - Google Earth says he went 30
> > miles too far - and, from driving 395 to Lee Vining from Bishop I seem to
> > remember some fairly fairly unlandable country along the way.
> >
> >
>
> The YouTube version is only 240P, so the DVD would almost certainly be
> better.

Youtube adjusts the resolution automatically to fit your bandwidth (not just your last-mile bandwidth, but the congestion all along the way from YT's servers to you). I've just now tried this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHXiaMhSIo
and it auto-plays for me at 240p. But I can download it (however slowly) for later off-line playing (using an add-on to Firefox), supposedly at 360p - the saved file is actually 384x288, about 123 megabytes. (This add-on, Youtube Downloader Lite, also offers higher resolutions for the download, but they are color-coded in the listing, which seems to mean they are sent to some server for reprocessing, which is very slow if it works at all, so I use the gray one at the top of the list.)

But yeah the video tech in the 60's wasn't what we're used to now. Cheap phones and drones now give you "HD" resolution (excessive IMO). A couple of years ago I bought the DVD version of The Sunship Game (from the 1969 (?) nats) and was rather disappointed with the video quality. To my taste, true DVD ("SD") resolution is about right. Unless you sit too close to your large TV.

[Martin Gregorie[_6_]]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:01:42 -0700, moshe.braner wrote:

> A couple of years ago I bought the DVD version of The Sunship Game (from
> the 1969 (?) nats) and was rather disappointed with the video quality.
> To my taste, true DVD ("SD") resolution is about right. Unless you sit
> too close to your large TV.
>
Same here - the download I got was fairly unwatchable, so a few years
later I bought the DVD from Cumulus - that's much better quality.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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Le vendredi 24 avril 2020 16:20:22 UTC+2, Martin Gregorie a écritÂ*:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:01:42 -0700, moshe.braner wrote:
>
> > A couple of years ago I bought the DVD version of The Sunship Game (from
> > the 1969 (?) nats) and was rather disappointed with the video quality.
> > To my taste, true DVD ("SD") resolution is about right. Unless you sit
> > too close to your large TV.
> >
> Same here - the download I got was fairly unwatchable, so a few years
> later I bought the DVD from Cumulus - that's much better quality.
>
>
> --
> Martin | martin at
> Gregorie | gregorie dot org

thanks, I purchased the dvd
Also I discovered The Sunship Game !

Adolfo

[kinsell]

On 4/24/20 8:01 AM, wrote:
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
>> On 4/24/20 5:38 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 02:12:14 -0700, befut8 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes it is Do you know if quality of DVD is better than the one of
>>>> YouTube ?
>>>
>>> Seems likely, at least right now, because I've heard that YouTube is
>>> using reduced bandwidth during the COVID lock-down to avoid network
>>> congestion, and of course this reduces image sharpness. In any case this
>>> film looks as if it was made for TV, back in the day when the NTSC
>>> standard was a thing, with only 525 scan lines, which may mean that the
>>> master copy's resolution was quite low. Would it have been shot on video
>>> tape or film?
>>>
>>> I watched it last night, found it was unwatchable in full-screen mode on
>>> my laptop (1600 x 900 screen), so watched it as the small image. Nice
>>> movie. All I could fault was the rapid weather switches during the Gold
>>> flight and the rather unlikely auto-tow behind the old-timer's jalopy:
>>> the rope looked a bit short!
>>>
>>> Bit of a navigational overshoot though - Google Earth says he went 30
>>> miles too far - and, from driving 395 to Lee Vining from Bishop I seem to
>>> remember some fairly fairly unlandable country along the way.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The YouTube version is only 240P, so the DVD would almost certainly be
>> better.
>
> Youtube adjusts the resolution automatically to fit your bandwidth (not just your last-mile bandwidth, but the congestion all along the way from YT's servers to you). I've just now tried this one:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHXiaMhSIo
> and it auto-plays for me at 240p. But I can download it (however slowly) for later off-line playing (using an add-on to Firefox), supposedly at 360p - the saved file is actually 384x288, about 123 megabytes. (This add-on, Youtube Downloader Lite, also offers higher resolutions for the download, but they are color-coded in the listing, which seems to mean they are sent to some server for reprocessing, which is very slow if it works at all, so I use the gray one at the top of the list.)
>
> But yeah the video tech in the 60's wasn't what we're used to now. Cheap phones and drones now give you "HD" resolution (excessive IMO). A couple of years ago I bought the DVD version of The Sunship Game (from the 1969 (?) nats) and was rather disappointed with the video quality. To my taste, true DVD ("SD") resolution is about right. Unless you sit too close to your large TV.
>

I think you're overestimating the quality you can get from YT. They can
and do adjust resolution downward to conserve bandwidth sometimes, but
this video is stored a 240P, which sets a real boundary on how good it
will ever look.

You can always upscale the resolution to fill a HD screen, but it
doesn't add any detail that wasn't in the 240P version. The DVD is
going to look better than anything from YT.

-Dave

[John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net]

Ahhhh...Dawn Flight.

This is without a doubt the best flying of two gliders chasing each other that I have ever seen. The flight low across the lake and then between the trees is something to behold. Incredible.

For a taste see this *UBER* bad version of just the chase sequences.

https://youtu.be/A0ptkl_0-xc.

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I bought the 'Directors Cut' (my term) of Dawn Flight at the SSA Convention in Little Rock. It also contains a section where the director and Dennis Ahrndt discuss the movie and how some of the flying sequences were done.

The DVDs of both DF and BWFWTC are acceptable, considering the older formats and film to DVD conversion.

In Sunship Game, one of my favorite scenes is where George Moffat is taking a hand saw to the wings of his Cirrus.

Mark