One country will upgrade its Sea Harriers for fleet defense,

[Henry J Cobb]

Pity it isn't the UK.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1071981.cms
> The Cabinet Committee on Security last week approved upgradation of 14 Sea
> Harriers, inducted in 1983, which are deployed on the country's sole
> aircraft carrier INS Viraat. The Rs 476-crore upgradation package will
> include Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire control radar and Derby
> beyond visual range air-to-air missiles for the fighters.

-HJC

[Jeroen Wenting]

Well, the UK has no more enemies according to current Euro-socialist
doctrine and therefore needs no more armed forces.
They're no different from the rest of the Euro-socialist countries. The
Netherlands have just about disbanded their armed forces, and so have (among
others) Denmark and Belgium.

"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
> Pity it isn't the UK.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1071981.cms
> > The Cabinet Committee on Security last week approved upgradation of 14
Sea
> > Harriers, inducted in 1983, which are deployed on the country's sole
> > aircraft carrier INS Viraat. The Rs 476-crore upgradation package will
> > include Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire control radar and Derby
> > beyond visual range air-to-air missiles for the fighters.
>
> -HJC

[Paul Elliot]

Jeroen Wenting wrote:
> Well, the UK has no more enemies according to current Euro-socialist
> doctrine and therefore needs no more armed forces.
> They're no different from the rest of the Euro-socialist countries. The
> Netherlands have just about disbanded their armed forces, and so have (among
> others) Denmark and Belgium.
>
> "Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Pity it isn't the UK.
>>
>>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1071981.cms
>> > The Cabinet Committee on Security last week approved upgradation of 14
>
> Sea
>
>> > Harriers, inducted in 1983, which are deployed on the country's sole
>> > aircraft carrier INS Viraat. The Rs 476-crore upgradation package will
>> > include Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire control radar and Derby
>> > beyond visual range air-to-air missiles for the fighters.
>>
>>-HJC
>
>
>
Fools!

--
PC Paul

Trip pics at: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/paul1cart/my_photos

"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to
society" - Theodore Roosevelt

[Noah Little]

Paul Elliot wrote:
> Jeroen Wenting wrote:
>> Well, the UK <snip>
>> They're no different from the rest of the Euro-socialist countries. The
>> Netherlands have just about disbanded their armed forces, and so have
>> (among others) Denmark and Belgium.
>>
> Fools!

Remarkable. Even rabid anti-gun folks I know are not willing to post
signs on their homes announcing "There Are No Guns In This House."
--
Noah

[Rob van Riel]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:10:02 +0000, Noah Little wrote:

> Paul Elliot wrote:
>> Jeroen Wenting wrote:
>>> Well, the UK <snip>
>>> They're no different from the rest of the Euro-socialist countries. The
>>> Netherlands have just about disbanded their armed forces, and so have
>>> (among others) Denmark and Belgium.
>>>
>> Fools!
>
> Remarkable. Even rabid anti-gun folks I know are not willing to post
> signs on their homes announcing "There Are No Guns In This House."

That would be because there are those who would view that as an invitation
to all sorts of mischief. Few (probably none) small nations can afford the
sort of army that can go out there and play globocop, and given a
situation with only very dependable neighbours unlikely to drop by and
invade, there's not much point in keeping around a powerful army. No army
The Netherlands could muster could ever take on one of the big guys, and
the smaller nations do not present any kind of threat at this time, so
what's the point.

Mind you, the recent defence cuts around here were decidedly uninspired,
not to say bloody stupid, but that wasn't the point.

Rob

[Phormer Phantom Phlyer]

Probably true about no new enemies until China decides to flex it's
muscles, particularly around Taiwan and Japan and Korea. That will
involve the US, which will involve Europe. To not prepare for this will
prove to be folly.

[Starshiy Nemo]

>
>
Denmark armed forces???????????????????????????

[Rob van Riel]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:29:20 -0700, Phormer Phantom Phlyer wrote:

> That will
> involve the US, which will involve Europe.

Oh, I see, so the sole purpose of European armies is to serve as
auxiliaries to the great American Empire is it? I think you'll find that
European cooperation will be far from automatic for the next great
adventure the US embarks on.
Mind you, if that is an expedition against Chinese or North Korean
expansion, it would be a great pity if the various European nations didn't
stand up for the victims of such aggression solely because the US does,
but that is a possibility the Iraq escapade has created.

Rob

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:50:02 +0000, Rob van Riel >
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:29:20 -0700, Phormer Phantom Phlyer wrote:
>
>> That will
>> involve the US, which will involve Europe.
>
>Oh, I see, so the sole purpose of European armies is to serve as
>auxiliaries to the great American Empire is it? I think you'll find that
>European cooperation will be far from automatic for the next great
>adventure the US embarks on.

Perhaps. But the whole idea behind "collective security" is that if
you have a rogue state acting in character then a collective of armed
forces can be used, if necessary, to deal with said rogue state. Of
course, this presumes that armed forces are available. If everybody
demobilizes then where will the force come from? And it's not like we
don't have lots of rogue states to choose from.

They can also be useful in humnitarian interventions,
peacekeeping/peacemaking duties, etc. I guess one way to ensure that
no state has to make tough decisions is to demobilize. That might not
be a real viable long term strategy, however.

Then there's the last question, and that's "who shall guard the
guardians?" While small nations like Denmark or the Netherlands might
not fare all that well against larger powers, the very existence of
even modest armed forces can be a very valuable deterrent.

Or, as one wag put it, those who beat their swords into plowshares
will end up plowing for those who didn't.

>Mind you, if that is an expedition against Chinese or North Korean
>expansion, it would be a great pity if the various European nations didn't
>stand up for the victims of such aggression solely because the US does,
>but that is a possibility the Iraq escapade has created.

If the Europeans are indeed that dense then may they reap what they
sow.

Bill Kambic