building up hours

[DomDomDom]

Hi does anyone know where the best place in the world is for buiding
up flying hours for your log book, by either instructing or just
leisure flying. i know the uk is expencive and weather is a bit
unpredictable, ive herd america is much cheaper and better weather.
can anyone help, Cheers

[Peter Duniho]

"DomDomDom" > wrote in message
om...
> [...] i know the uk is expencive and weather is a bit
> unpredictable, ive herd america is much cheaper and better weather.
> can anyone help

I don't doubt the US is cheaper. "Better weather" will depend on where you
go. I gather a lot of foreigners head to Arizona for reliably clear
weather. Some places in the US have fewer flyable days than the UK.

Pete

[John Galban]

Peter Duniho wrote:
>
> I don't doubt the US is cheaper. "Better weather" will depend on
where you
> go. I gather a lot of foreigners head to Arizona for reliably clear
> weather. Some places in the US have fewer flyable days than the UK.
>
I met a guy that lived on Adak in the Aluetian chain. He was a
weather specialist (what else would one do on Adak?) and estimated that
there were about 5 good VFR days out of the year.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Wizard of Draws]

On 4/13/05 7:00 PM, in article
. com, "John Galban"
> spewed:

>
> Peter Duniho wrote:
>>
>> I don't doubt the US is cheaper. "Better weather" will depend on
> where you
>> go. I gather a lot of foreigners head to Arizona for reliably clear
>> weather. Some places in the US have fewer flyable days than the UK.
>>
> I met a guy that lived on Adak in the Aluetian chain. He was a
> weather specialist (what else would one do on Adak?) and estimated that
> there were about 5 good VFR days out of the year.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
My uncle was stationed on Adak. He eavesdropped on the Russians.
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[Bob Fry]

(DomDomDom) writes:

> Hi does anyone know where the best place in the world is for buiding
> up flying hours for your log book, by either instructing or just
> leisure flying. i know the uk is expencive and weather is a bit
> unpredictable, ive herd america is much cheaper and better weather.
> can anyone help, Cheers

I'll assume this isn't a silly troll and respond. For simply
acquiring hours generally the best route in the USA is to get your CFI
rating and instruct primary students. For the students' sake it helps
if you like teaching but it's not required. You claim PIC and the
student pays the airplane bill and a little more for you--perhaps
$20-$30 USD/hour depending on location and your experience.

If you don't want to get that rating and you simply want to fly on
your own dime, then buy a cheap plane (two seater like a C-152,
Ercoupe, or taildragger) and fly often and far. Want to claim IMC,
then get a little more plane with IFR capabilities and fly in weather.
Yes, fuel and probably the cost of living is cheaper in the USA,
especially with respect to Europe. The American Southwest (Arizona,
New Mexico) and California have very good flying weather much of the
year. Fly up a storm (not literally) and sell it when you've built
your hours.

[Cockpit Colin]

You just can't beat New Zealand :)


"DomDomDom" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi does anyone know where the best place in the world is for buiding
> up flying hours for your log book, by either instructing or just
> leisure flying. i know the uk is expencive and weather is a bit
> unpredictable, ive herd america is much cheaper and better weather.
> can anyone help, Cheers

[Denny]

You just can't beat New Zealand :)
****************************************

Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...

[Grumman-581]

"Denny" wrote in message
oups.com...
> You just can't beat New Zealand :)
> ****************************************
>
> Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...

Musn't forget the sheep...

"Say 'bawwhhh' for me baby!" <snicker>

[GEG]

Seems like every non-military commercial pilot has
gone through a lot of instructing.
Many of the flight schools around here (DC/Baltimore)
have young chippies come in for 6-12 months, build hours,
and take the first non-instructing flying gig they can get.
Most seem to come in, though, with enough hours to be commercial
and instrument.
In fact, nearly all have gone to some flight school (ATP, University,
Embry Riddle, etc.) where you dump $30K (roughly) and get your
commercial/instructor by the time you leave in 4-6 months.

Either way - it costs money. Even instructors have paid dearly
to get there. Then, they don't make very good money.

My best recommendation is to marry into money or success and
then your just adding a little to the family money pot . . .hee hee.

In retrospect, I guess I'm a little stupid! I married for LOVE!
How bad is that! Ha!

[Cockpit Colin]

Nah - we speak the international language of aviation - good old Queens
English :)


"Denny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> You just can't beat New Zealand :)
> ****************************************
>
> Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...
>

[Cockpit Colin]

Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
news:ght7e.16715$8Z6.13227@attbi_s21...
> "Denny" wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> You just can't beat New Zealand :)
>> ****************************************
>>
>> Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...
>
> Musn't forget the sheep...
>
> "Say 'bawwhhh' for me baby!" <snicker>
>
>

[Andrew Gideon]

GEG wrote:

> In retrospect, I guess I'm a little stupid! I married for LOVE!
> How bad is that! Ha!

Fortunately for aviators, these need not be mutually exclusive.

- Andrew

[Matt Barrow]

"Cockpit Colin" > wrote in message
...
> Nah - we speak the international language of aviation - good old Queens
> English :)

Queens, New York?

(high pitch mode on) Hey, mannnnn!!

[Montblack]

("Cockpit Colin" wrote)

> Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh


.......old old old jokes.

Q What is the difference between the Rolling Stones, and a Scotsman?
A One says "Hey you, get off my cloud!" and the other says "Hey Macleod,
get off my ewe!"


Two sheep ranchers are flying the herd to a new farm. Suddenly, the engine
fails and the plane begins to fall quickly to the ground.

Rancher 1: Quick! Grab a parachute and jump!
Rancher 2: What about the sheep?!?
Rancher 1: F*** the sheep!!!!
Rancher 2: (pause) Do you think we have time?


Q Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?
A Cuz sheep can hear zippers from a paddock away

Google sheep + jokes for all the bad sheep humor ewe can handle <g>.


Montblack

[Cockpit Colin]

Being from New Zealand, with our national bird being the Kiwi, New
Zealanders are of course known as "kiwis".

My favourite is ...

The kiwi eats, roots, shoots and leaves! (not sure which type they were
referring to though!)





"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Cockpit Colin" wrote)
>
> > Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
>
>
> ......old old old jokes.
>
> Q What is the difference between the Rolling Stones, and a Scotsman?
> A One says "Hey you, get off my cloud!" and the other says "Hey
Macleod,
> get off my ewe!"
>
>
> Two sheep ranchers are flying the herd to a new farm. Suddenly, the engine
> fails and the plane begins to fall quickly to the ground.
>
> Rancher 1: Quick! Grab a parachute and jump!
> Rancher 2: What about the sheep?!?
> Rancher 1: F*** the sheep!!!!
> Rancher 2: (pause) Do you think we have time?
>
>
> Q Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?
> A Cuz sheep can hear zippers from a paddock away
>
> Google sheep + jokes for all the bad sheep humor ewe can handle <g>.
>
>
> Montblack
>

[Roger]

On 14 Apr 2005 04:42:09 -0700, "Denny" > wrote:

>You just can't beat New Zealand :)
>****************************************
>
>Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...

And if car gas is any indicator, (It was well over twice what we pay
when Joyce was there in Feb.) it'd be far more expensive than in the
states.

However they are trying to cripple GA with paranoia and charging non
nationals extra fees and going through extra security checks. Other
than the hassle I'd bet this is still the cheapest by far. Of course
if you fly in the mid west you can fly hours and not see the scenery
change.

If the scenery changes you know you have either hit the Rocky
Mountains, Smoky Mountains, Gulf of Mexico, or Canada.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:05:32 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
> wrote:

>"DomDomDom" > wrote in message
om...
>> [...] i know the uk is expencive and weather is a bit
>> unpredictable, ive herd america is much cheaper and better weather.
>> can anyone help
>
>I don't doubt the US is cheaper. "Better weather" will depend on where you

A *lot* cheaper even with gas past $3.00 US per gallon.
You can probably rent a Bonanza over here for what they pay for a 150
in the UK.

>go. I gather a lot of foreigners head to Arizona for reliably clear
>weather. Some places in the US have fewer flyable days than the UK.

The South West is too hot in the Summer, Great in Spring and Fall.
Florida is nice in the Winter if you don't mind bugs, mold, and high
humidity In mid Winter the weather and temperatures can vary widely
from North Florida to South Florida..

The Mid West and Great Planes aren't all that bad in the Summer
although you will find the most varied weather. East and West coast
are more expensive than the South or South West. The Mid West is
probably the cheapest. (You should see the courtesy cars<LOL>)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>
>Pete
>

[Roger]

On 13 Apr 2005 16:00:48 -0700, "John Galban" >
wrote:

>
>Peter Duniho wrote:
>>
>> I don't doubt the US is cheaper. "Better weather" will depend on
>where you
>> go. I gather a lot of foreigners head to Arizona for reliably clear
>> weather. Some places in the US have fewer flyable days than the UK.
>>
> I met a guy that lived on Adak in the Aluetian chain. He was a
>weather specialist (what else would one do on Adak?) and estimated that
>there were about 5 good VFR days out of the year.

Yes, but everything is relative.

You do realize they live by a different standard "up there".
It's a decent day when you can see your own wing tips and it's good
VFR when you can see the other side of a 75 foot runway.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Roger]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:49 +1200, "Cockpit Colin" >
wrote:

>Being from New Zealand, with our national bird being the Kiwi, New
>Zealanders are of course known as "kiwis".
>
>My favourite is ...
>
>The kiwi eats, roots, shoots and leaves! (not sure which type they were
>referring to though!)

Are you sure you used the proper spelling on all those adjectives...
er .. I mean nouns?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>
>
>
>
>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>> ("Cockpit Colin" wrote)
>>
>> > Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
>>
>>
>> ......old old old jokes.
>>
>> Q What is the difference between the Rolling Stones, and a Scotsman?
>> A One says "Hey you, get off my cloud!" and the other says "Hey
>Macleod,
>> get off my ewe!"
>>
>>
>> Two sheep ranchers are flying the herd to a new farm. Suddenly, the engine
>> fails and the plane begins to fall quickly to the ground.
>>
>> Rancher 1: Quick! Grab a parachute and jump!
>> Rancher 2: What about the sheep?!?
>> Rancher 1: F*** the sheep!!!!
>> Rancher 2: (pause) Do you think we have time?
>>
>>
>> Q Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?
>> A Cuz sheep can hear zippers from a paddock away
>>
>> Google sheep + jokes for all the bad sheep humor ewe can handle <g>.
>>
>>
>> Montblack
>>
>

[Martin Hotze]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:40:58 -0400, Roger wrote:

>The South West is too hot in the Summer, Great in Spring and Fall.
>Florida is nice in the Winter if you don't mind bugs, mold, and high
>humidity In mid Winter the weather and temperatures can vary widely
>from North Florida to South Florida..

Florida is too expensive (compared to AZ, for example), and the landscape
is boring, IMHO, but YMMV.

#m
--
<http://www.hotze.priv.at/album/aviation/caution.jpg>

[Mark Morissette]

>rating and instruct primary students. For the students' sake it helps
>if you like teaching but it's not required.

Based on what I read alot of here in the groups and on some message
boards I frequent, there seem to be far too many instructors only in
it for the "hours", and the students that they are mentoring are just
bumps in the road, who are more of an aggravation then anything else.

Not the kind of instructor I'd want, personally.

My current instructor has mentioned to me in the past that he is
indeed on his way to becoming an ATP (Only after I prodded him about
his future plans, he certainly didn't just blurt it out one day) and
I'm cool with that... Hey, if he can build hours at someone else's
expense, that's cool with me...all the power to him. If I ever
decided to go that route, I'd probably do the same thing... (Although
I enjoy teaching others as well..but anyhow).

However, the difference is that my instructor seems to enjoy
instructing, sharing my milestones and seeming to get some amount of
satisfaction from it as well. He's cheery, seems to genuinely enjoy
what he does, and makes the best of things while he progresses through
what is clearly just a stepping-stone in his career.

IMHO, that's the difference between a good instructor, and someone who
is just instructing for the hours, and little else.

[Cockpit Colin]

We pay around $1.10 per litre - doing a rough calc at the kiwi $ being 70 US
cents and 4 litres to a US gallon, we're paying the equivalent of $3.08 US
Dollars per US gallon - How does that compare to what you're paying?

We get a lot of English and Japanise students coming through - apparantly
we're about 1/3 the cost of what they pay over there (so they tell us).



"Roger" > wrote in message
...
> On 14 Apr 2005 04:42:09 -0700, "Denny" > wrote:
>
> >You just can't beat New Zealand :)
> >****************************************
> >
> >Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...
>
> And if car gas is any indicator, (It was well over twice what we pay
> when Joyce was there in Feb.) it'd be far more expensive than in the
> states.
>
> However they are trying to cripple GA with paranoia and charging non
> nationals extra fees and going through extra security checks. Other
> than the hassle I'd bet this is still the cheapest by far. Of course
> if you fly in the mid west you can fly hours and not see the scenery
> change.
>
> If the scenery changes you know you have either hit the Rocky
> Mountains, Smoky Mountains, Gulf of Mexico, or Canada.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:58:57 +1200, "Cockpit Colin" >
wrote:

>We pay around $1.10 per litre - doing a rough calc at the kiwi $ being 70 US
>cents and 4 litres to a US gallon, we're paying the equivalent of $3.08 US
>Dollars per US gallon - How does that compare to what you're paying?

When she was there in Feb. it was $5 US equivalent a gallon and we
were around $2.00 plus change. It spiked at $2.40 and is back to
$2.19.

Avgas varies widely, with the local price being $3.13 and a 20 mile
hop will bring you to $2.60. So, you are far closer than I thought.

Our local FBO has small tanks which are leased from the fuel company.
They wouldn't put in large ones as they said there wasn't enough
sales. Of course he has to pay a premium per gallon for less than a
full load and on top of that he has a flowage fee and taxes. The
other airport is county owned and operated. They have large tanks, no
extra tax or flowage fees.

Flying a bit farther to HTL they are even cheaper. Again, it's a
county owned system with large tanks.

OTOH go to some of the larger airports and it can be really expensive.
You can find major differences between FBOs on the same field.

>
>We get a lot of English and Japanise students coming through - apparantly
>we're about 1/3 the cost of what they pay over there (so they tell us).

When Joyce told me about the price of car gas I figured the other
prices would also be high and comparable to Europe.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>
>
>"Roger" > wrote in message
...
>> On 14 Apr 2005 04:42:09 -0700, "Denny" > wrote:
>>
>> >You just can't beat New Zealand :)
>> >****************************************
>> >
>> >Well yeah, but you have to learn a new language...
>>
>> And if car gas is any indicator, (It was well over twice what we pay
>> when Joyce was there in Feb.) it'd be far more expensive than in the
>> states.
>>
>> However they are trying to cripple GA with paranoia and charging non
>> nationals extra fees and going through extra security checks. Other
>> than the hassle I'd bet this is still the cheapest by far. Of course
>> if you fly in the mid west you can fly hours and not see the scenery
>> change.
>>
>> If the scenery changes you know you have either hit the Rocky
>> Mountains, Smoky Mountains, Gulf of Mexico, or Canada.
>>
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>

[Cockpit Colin]

Aircraft hire charges are probably a better comparison - In NZ Dollars (inc
GST) for a PA38 or C152 you're looking at around $140.00 per hour max
(around USD 98) - you can get hour builders for, say, 20 per hour less, but
they tend to be a bit cruddy.

Personally, I've always made the effort to share the cost equally with 3
other friends - how does USD $28 per hour sound for a C172 - or USD $60 per
hour for a light twin sound :)

> When she was there in Feb. it was $5 US equivalent a gallon and we
> were around $2.00 plus change. It spiked at $2.40 and is back to
> $2.19.

I'm not sure if I'm reading you right - you're saying that your wife saw
pricing in New Zealand equivalent to USD $5 per gallon? If so, that doesn't
add up - that works out at around $1.79 NZD per litre - hell, we even sell
it to the stock car boys (at a big profit) for $1.65. I was the one
responsible to setting hire rates on club aircraft during Feb - off memory
our buy rate dropped from 1.145 per litre to 1.105 - tax needs to be added
to that, but it's deductable for us, so no net effect. Multiply by 4 to get
US gallons and multiply by 0.7 for USD and that's the component cost of the
fuel in the hire rate.

[Dan Luke]

"Montblack" wrote:
>
>> Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
>
>
> ......old old old jokes.

If you're driving in Alabama, how do you tell if you're near Auburn U.?

If you stop and get out of your car, the sheep will back up to the
fence.

[W P Dixon]

Being a Georgia DAWG, I really really enjoyed that joke! :0

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech
"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Montblack" wrote:
>>
>>> Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
>>
>>
>> ......old old old jokes.
>
> If you're driving in Alabama, how do you tell if you're near Auburn U.?
>
> If you stop and get out of your car, the sheep will back up to the fence.
>