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What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily, store it, and unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method back in the 70s, can any member explain that?
Dave Springford
June 19th 20, 02:18 AM
Two easy options that I have seen:
1. Get a garden hose reel and wind it up on that
2. Get a bucket and coil it into the bucket
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 7:53:03 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily, store it, and unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
>
> I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method back in the 70s, can any member explain that?
The way our club does it is to match the 2 ends and tie them together. Then take this tied end and match it to the other end. Tie this in a knot. Then repeat 2 more times. To un-do the tied up rope simply un-knot the first knot, then the second etc. Keeps it free of tangles.
Waveguru
June 19th 20, 03:10 AM
Roll it into a ball leaving the inside end out to pull it from, like a knitting ball.
Boggs
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily, store it, and unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
>
> I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method back in the 70s, can any member explain that?
We use this type of cable reel. Stretch out the line and bring the ends together. On the other end, feed the loop through the hole and over the crank handle and start reeling in the line while holding the reel with the other hand on the inside sliding handle. Works absolutely tangle-free and is cheap!
Uli
'AS'
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Bayco-Cord-Storage-Reel/3129447?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-elc-_-google-_-lia-_--_-extensioncords-_-3129447-_-0&store_code=528&placeholder=null&&ds_a_cid=114168065&ds_a_cid=476315417&gclid=Cj0KCQjwoaz3BRDnARIsAF1RfLcZ-gCgPvRS3FDph_bG_ZizgVAyF27WHGgDtMr8N97BHp6892exyAs aAkNwEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
John Foster
June 19th 20, 04:54 AM
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily, store it, and unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
>
> I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method back in the 70s, can any member explain that?
Has anyone used the "monkey ball" technique? It is something like winding a ball of yarn. You then pull the end out of the center when you come to use the rope again.
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 8:54:34 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> > What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily, store it, and unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
> >
> > I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method back in the 70s, can any member explain that?
>
> Has anyone used the "monkey ball" technique? It is something like winding a ball of yarn. You then pull the end out of the center when you come to use the rope again.
That is the way we wound are tow ropes (when I was still flying a gravity glider). You grab one end of the tow rope in your left hand and start winding a ball around it using your right hand. The ball ends up being about a foot in diameter when you're done. To "unroll" it just grab the end in the center and pull it out - no tangles, knots, or swear words.
Tom
I mounted two Harbor Freight hose reels on the back of oor golf cart. No brains are required to operate, as they are pretty self explanatory.
https://www.harborfreight.com/100-ft-manual-steel-air-hose-reel-63861.html
Hightime
June 19th 20, 04:24 PM
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily, store it, and unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
>
> I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method back in the 70s, can any member explain that?
+1 on hose real,it the easiest and fastest for anybody to use
Jonathon May
June 19th 20, 07:56 PM
At 15:24 19 June 2020, Hightime wrote:
>On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-6,
wrote:
>> What's a good way to wind up a tow rope quickly and easily,
store it, and
>unwind it again without it getting into tangle?
>>
>> I remember that the Scottish Gliding Union had a good method
back in the
>70s, can any member explain that?
>
>+1 on hose real,it the easiest and fastest for anybody to use
>
I am not a tug pilot so I don't have the full answer but,
You put the 2 ends together, then 1/2 again, then form a loop and
crochure it some how by forming loops and passing a loop through.
I honestly cannot tell more but I have seen it done dozens of times
,you end up with a platt about 6ft long that pulls out in seconds with
no knots or tangles.
looks like magic ,tug pilot trick.
We use rope reels - $9 at Home Depot.
Mark Morwood
June 20th 20, 12:05 AM
We daisy chain them. Fold in half, then in half again, then daisy chain. Here's a description of the process in general: https://designlifehacks.com/2017/12/26/how-to-daisy-chain-your-long-ropes/
On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 6:05:19 PM UTC-5, Mark Morwood wrote:
> We daisy chain them. Fold in half, then in half again, then daisy chain. Here's a description of the process in general: https://designlifehacks.com/2017/12/26/how-to-daisy-chain-your-long-ropes/
Spend the $24.88 USD and get the garden hose reel. Simple, very fast, dirt cheap.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Suncast-175-ft-Hose-Reel-Mobile-Cart-CPLJNF17524/100334893
RS
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 5:37:54 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 6:05:19 PM UTC-5, Mark Morwood wrote:
> > We daisy chain them. Fold in half, then in half again, then daisy chain. Here's a description of the process in general: https://designlifehacks.com/2017/12/26/how-to-daisy-chain-your-long-ropes/
>
> Spend the $24.88 USD and get the garden hose reel. Simple, very fast, dirt cheap.
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Suncast-175-ft-Hose-Reel-Mobile-Cart-CPLJNF17524/100334893
>
> RS
The method I described above produces the absolutely smallest result. And you pull the rope out from the center with no tangling. Plus, there is zero additional cost.
Tom
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 9:23:18 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 5:37:54 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 6:05:19 PM UTC-5, Mark Morwood wrote:
> > > We daisy chain them. Fold in half, then in half again, then daisy chain. Here's a description of the process in general: https://designlifehacks..com/2017/12/26/how-to-daisy-chain-your-long-ropes/
> >
> > Spend the $24.88 USD and get the garden hose reel. Simple, very fast, dirt cheap.
> > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Suncast-175-ft-Hose-Reel-Mobile-Cart-CPLJNF17524/100334893
> >
> > RS
>
> The method I described above produces the absolutely smallest result. And you pull the rope out from the center with no tangling. Plus, there is zero additional cost.
>
> Tom
No additional cost... except the time it takes to wind 200 ft of rope around your hand, which is about 20x longer than it takes to wind it up on a hose reel. And, you don't have to worry about your arms getting worn out manually winding all of that rope and dealing with its weight.
Not to mention the amount of time it takes to teach some lackadaisical ground Ops crew how to do it.
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:33:14 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 9:23:18 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 5:37:54 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 6:05:19 PM UTC-5, Mark Morwood wrote:
> > > > We daisy chain them. Fold in half, then in half again, then daisy chain. Here's a description of the process in general: https://designlifehacks.com/2017/12/26/how-to-daisy-chain-your-long-ropes/
> > >
> > > Spend the $24.88 USD and get the garden hose reel. Simple, very fast, dirt cheap.
> > > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Suncast-175-ft-Hose-Reel-Mobile-Cart-CPLJNF17524/100334893
> > >
> > > RS
> >
> > The method I described above produces the absolutely smallest result. And you pull the rope out from the center with no tangling. Plus, there is zero additional cost.
> >
> > Tom
>
> No additional cost... except the time it takes to wind 200 ft of rope around your hand, which is about 20x longer than it takes to wind it up on a hose reel. And, you don't have to worry about your arms getting worn out manually winding all of that rope and dealing with its weight.
Oh, PUHLEEESSSSSEEEEE! Have a contest and see which one is faster, including the time it takes you to go to your trailer, get your hose reel setup and start cranking. I think I could do it faster.
Tom
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:41:44 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Not to mention the amount of time it takes to teach some lackadaisical ground Ops crew how to do it.
Explaining it to you would take a couple of hours: I would do it myself and be done in a minute.
John Foster
June 21st 20, 05:43 AM
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 10:06:48 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:41:44 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > Not to mention the amount of time it takes to teach some lackadaisical ground Ops crew how to do it.
>
> Explaining it to you would take a couple of hours: I would do it myself and be done in a minute.
I gotta agree with Tom here. This is really a pretty slick way of doing it.. And it is really handy to store and transport a ball of tow rope instead of a cart/reel (not that a reel is difficult though). The only "difficult" part about it is that you have to pull the rope out from the center of the ball. If that is too hard to understand, you probably shouldn't be flying aircraft of any kind. And yes, it takes just as long to wind a tow rope up on a garden hose reel as it does to wind up a "monkey ball" of tow rope.
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 10:06:48 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:41:44 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > Not to mention the amount of time it takes to teach some lackadaisical ground Ops crew how to do it.
> >
> > Explaining it to you would take a couple of hours: I would do it myself and be done in a minute.
>
> I gotta agree with Tom here. This is really a pretty slick way of doing it. And it is really handy to store and transport a ball of tow rope instead of a cart/reel (not that a reel is difficult though). The only "difficult" part about it is that you have to pull the rope out from the center of the ball. If that is too hard to understand, you probably shouldn't be flying aircraft of any kind. And yes, it takes just as long to wind a tow rope up on a garden hose reel as it does to wind up a "monkey ball" of tow rope.
Ok, I've never tried to roll up 200' of rope onto my hand so I can't speak authoritatively so you tell me how long it takes. I have rolled up 200' of rope onto a hose reel probably 100 times and it takes about 30 seconds.
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 10:06:48 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:41:44 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > Not to mention the amount of time it takes to teach some lackadaisical ground Ops crew how to do it.
> >
> > Explaining it to you would take a couple of hours: I would do it myself and be done in a minute.
>
> I gotta agree with Tom here. This is really a pretty slick way of doing it. And it is really handy to store and transport a ball of tow rope instead of a cart/reel (not that a reel is difficult though). The only "difficult" part about it is that you have to pull the rope out from the center of the ball. If that is too hard to understand, you probably shouldn't be flying aircraft of any kind. And yes, it takes just as long to wind a tow rope up on a garden hose reel as it does to wind up a "monkey ball" of tow rope.
Ok, I've never tried to roll up 200' of rope onto my hand so I can't speak authoritatively so you tell me how long it takes. I have rolled up 200' of rope onto a hose reel probably 100 times and it takes about 30 seconds.
I will do anything to avoid having Tom explain anything for a couple of hours.
>
> Explaining it to you would take a couple of hours: I would do it myself and be done in a minute.
On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:55:59 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> I will do anything to avoid having Tom explain anything for a couple of hours.
> >
> > Explaining it to you would take a couple of hours: I would do it myself and be done in a minute.
....and 2 hours wouldn't be enough time for you.
Tom Edwards
June 21st 20, 06:32 PM
A method that is reasonable simple is to just put the rope into a carrier
bag or canvas bag haphazardly , tie the last end to the bag handle , hook
it on your towplane and walk away, comes out without any knots . Proven
method that rock climbers use and the UK Fire Service use for storing their
ropes. Simple , easy to deploy and just chuck back in the bag , dont need a
truck or hosereel , easily portable. There will be those who say "that wont
work but like all gliding clubs there are lots of negative people. Try it
!!!!
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