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[Chris]

Looking to fly into Niagara falls "International" in July can anyone give me
some advice on the airport, what to watch for, best FBO etc. Will be aiming
to arrive from the west hopping over southern Ontario

Chris

[Peter R.]

Chris > wrote:

> Looking to fly into Niagara falls "International" in July can anyone give me
> some advice on the airport, what to watch for, best FBO etc. Will be aiming
> to arrive from the west hopping over southern Ontario

Do you plan on overflying the falls or are you just going to the airport?
If you want to circle the falls, there is a procedure out of the A/FD that
contains the discreet frequency on which scenic traffic should
self-announce, the below 3,500 restricted airspace over the falls, and the
recommended pattern you should fly. If you do not have the A/FD, I can
scan the pertinent page and post it to my website for you.

Regarding the FBO, there is only one. The few times I have been there
they have been a very friendly and helpful staff. There is a landing fee
of $3.00 or $6.00 (I cannot remember the exact amount, but it is trivial).
Fuel is not a deal.

Call the FBO's frequency when about 10 minutes out and request a cab, if
you need a ride to the falls area. Cab fare should be about US$16 or so.


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[Nathan Young]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:42:08 +0100, "Chris" >
wrote:

>Looking to fly into Niagara falls "International" in July can anyone give me
>some advice on the airport, what to watch for, best FBO etc. Will be aiming
>to arrive from the west hopping over southern Ontario

I flew to Niagara 2 years ago (from Chicago). The FBO at IAG was
great (had my rental car on the ramp, and ready to go for me).

We spent most of our time on the Canada side of the falls, and
attempted to return to the US on Sunday afternoon. It took 2 hrs to
cross the bridge and clear customs (in the car). Based on that
experience, I think I will try to land on the Canada side of the falls
next time. I do not know if any of the nearby Canada airports are
'ports of entry', but it is worth a look.

[Fred G. Black]

Nathan Young wrote:

>>Looking to fly into Niagara falls "International" in July can anyone give me
>>some advice on the airport, what to watch for, best FBO etc. Will be aiming
>>to arrive from the west hopping over southern Ontario
>
>
> I flew to Niagara 2 years ago (from Chicago). The FBO at IAG was
> great (had my rental car on the ramp, and ready to go for me).
>
> We spent most of our time on the Canada side of the falls, and
> attempted to return to the US on Sunday afternoon. It took 2 hrs to
> cross the bridge and clear customs (in the car). Based on that
> experience, I think I will try to land on the Canada side of the falls
> next time. I do not know if any of the nearby Canada airports are
> 'ports of entry', but it is worth a look.

If one wants to land on the Canadian side of the falls, probably the
best bet is St. Catharines - CYSN. It's about 10 nm NW of Niagra Falls
Intl. The copy of the CFS I have at home is out of date but it lists
Customs as available. All the usual cross border requirements / advice
apply.

[Icebound]

"Fred G. Black" > wrote in message
...
> Nathan Young wrote:
>

> If one wants to land on the Canadian side of the falls, probably the best
> bet is St. Catharines - CYSN. It's about 10 nm NW of Niagra Falls Intl.
> The copy of the CFS I have at home is out of date but it lists Customs as
> available. All the usual cross border requirements / advice apply.



http://www.niagaradistrictairport.ca/pilots.htm

[Chris]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Chris > wrote:
>
>> Looking to fly into Niagara falls "International" in July can anyone give
>> me
>> some advice on the airport, what to watch for, best FBO etc. Will be
>> aiming
>> to arrive from the west hopping over southern Ontario
>
> Do you plan on overflying the falls or are you just going to the airport?
> If you want to circle the falls, there is a procedure out of the A/FD that
> contains the discreet frequency on which scenic traffic should
> self-announce, the below 3,500 restricted airspace over the falls, and the
> recommended pattern you should fly. If you do not have the A/FD, I can
> scan the pertinent page and post it to my website for you.
>
> Regarding the FBO, there is only one. The few times I have been there
> they have been a very friendly and helpful staff. There is a landing fee
> of $3.00 or $6.00 (I cannot remember the exact amount, but it is trivial).
> Fuel is not a deal.
>
> Call the FBO's frequency when about 10 minutes out and request a cab, if
> you need a ride to the falls area. Cab fare should be about US$16 or so.
>

Peter, being in the UK it would be helpful to see the A/FD page you refer
too until I get there and buy my own. I was planning to go to the airport
and visit the Falls from there. I did anticipate that there might be post
9/11 restrictions on sightseeing.

Landing in Canada either is not really an option as it would be just too
complicated for obvious reasons.

Plan is to fly from MSN to PVD stopping enroute to visit the Falls and stay
overnight in Niagara Falls. Returning from PVD a few days later.

The trip should also meet my commercial cross country requirement as I will
be alone for the return trip at least. At the last calculation we are
talking of some 850 nm depending on the exact route taken.

cb

[Peter R.]

Chris > wrote:

> Peter, being in the UK it would be helpful to see the A/FD page you refer
> too until I get there and buy my own. I was planning to go to the airport
> and visit the Falls from there.

Here's the graphic of what you need to do. I don't have the text
description (I had the graphic in my flight notebook at home, but the
latest A/FD is in my aircraft). All it basically reads is this:

Remain at 3,500 MSL or above, self announce your position in the depicted
pattern on a discreet frequency (I included it on the graphic at the bottom
left, but please verify), and fly the recommended pattern in the graphic.

http://home.twcny.rr.com/thericcs1/backup/NFScenic1.jpg

If you want to see the falls *after* departing Niagara Falls airport, ask
of the tower controller your preference to circle above the airport until
you reach 3,500 MSL, since the airport is only about 3 NM from the falls.

If you want to see the falls first, mention this to Buffalo Approach, who
will give you flight following until you are near, and then turn you loose
to switch frequencies. Once you are finished your sight seeing, you can
break away from the pattern by flying north or south of IAG to lose the
2,000 or so feet needed to enter the TPA.

Here are some pictures from the first over-falls trip I made, taken three
years ago, to give you a taste of what you will be in for:

http://home.twcny.rr.com/thericcs1/flights/nfalls.htm


> I did anticipate that there might be post
> 9/11 restrictions on sightseeing.

No, these restrictions have nothing to do with 9/11. They are simply a
method to keep the fixed-wing sight see-ers separated from the scenic
helicopter flights. If you were to fly over the Grand Canyon, there would
be similar restrictions for the same reasons, too.

About the only remnants of 9/11 on the east US coast is the ADIZ
surrounding Washington, DC, and the standing NOTAM about loitering over
powerplants.


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[Chris]

Brilliant and many thanks, this looks like fun.

Chris


"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Chris > wrote:
>
>> Peter, being in the UK it would be helpful to see the A/FD page you refer
>> too until I get there and buy my own. I was planning to go to the airport
>> and visit the Falls from there.
>
> Here's the graphic of what you need to do. I don't have the text
> description (I had the graphic in my flight notebook at home, but the
> latest A/FD is in my aircraft). All it basically reads is this:
>
> Remain at 3,500 MSL or above, self announce your position in the depicted
> pattern on a discreet frequency (I included it on the graphic at the
> bottom
> left, but please verify), and fly the recommended pattern in the graphic.
>
> http://home.twcny.rr.com/thericcs1/backup/NFScenic1.jpg
>
> If you want to see the falls *after* departing Niagara Falls airport, ask
> of the tower controller your preference to circle above the airport until
> you reach 3,500 MSL, since the airport is only about 3 NM from the falls.
>
> If you want to see the falls first, mention this to Buffalo Approach, who
> will give you flight following until you are near, and then turn you loose
> to switch frequencies. Once you are finished your sight seeing, you can
> break away from the pattern by flying north or south of IAG to lose the
> 2,000 or so feet needed to enter the TPA.
>
> Here are some pictures from the first over-falls trip I made, taken three
> years ago, to give you a taste of what you will be in for:
>
> http://home.twcny.rr.com/thericcs1/flights/nfalls.htm
>
>
>> I did anticipate that there might be post
>> 9/11 restrictions on sightseeing.
>
> No, these restrictions have nothing to do with 9/11. They are simply a
> method to keep the fixed-wing sight see-ers separated from the scenic
> helicopter flights. If you were to fly over the Grand Canyon, there would
> be similar restrictions for the same reasons, too.
>
> About the only remnants of 9/11 on the east US coast is the ADIZ
> surrounding Washington, DC, and the standing NOTAM about loitering over
> powerplants.
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