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Corvid
June 30th 20, 05:54 PM
On 06/30/2020 03:39 AM, Remi Dargis wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC-4, Corvid wrote:
>> On 06/29/2020 03:09 PM, wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, i am new to ultralights (i was only flying skyhawks
>>> and warriors until now). i now own Fisher ultralight with Rotax
>>> 277. i never flew it, i never saw it flying and i do not know
>>> previous owner who actually flew it. when i got the airplane it
>>> had carb removed but everything else looks in good shape. i put
>>> carb back and was able to successfully start the engine. engine
>>> runs nice and smooth at 4000 rpm or above, but when it drops
>>> below 4000 it starts shaking badly. it runs stable but shakes to
>>> the point that some screws from the panel shook out. i have read
>>> that single cylinder 2 strokes shake a lot, but to me it looks
>>> too excessive. i took a prop off and it runs much smoother
>>> without it. i am thinking prop may be out of balance? the problem
>>> is that i do not have any experience or knowledge to tell how
>>> much vibration is too much on those engines. does anyone know
>>> how to determine if this vibration is normal?
>>
>> There's a link for tech support at https://fisherflying.com/
>>
>> The prop could be balanced perfectly, and have the flex or mass to
>> interact unfavorably with the engine, engine mount,
>> speed-reduction drive. Or anything else.
>
> my problem is that i don't know how much vibration is consider
> "normal". i am reading online that others are complaining about 277
> shaking, some say this is normal and just a nature of this motor. i
> don't want to start replacing things if this is normal. is there any
> criteria, anything to determine if this is normal? that shaking
> sounds like "compression vibration" - makes one bang on every stroke.
> or if you turn ignition off at higher rpm, when it starts to wind
> down below 4000 starts banging and does that till the last stroke
> when it stops.

4000 sure sounds high for banging and shaking. I know what I'd replace
if that's normal.

crossposted to rec.aviation.homebuilt , a once-bustling group which
still has lurkers waiting for questions like this.

Clare Snyder
June 30th 20, 08:17 PM
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:54:13 -0700, Corvid > wrote:

>On 06/30/2020 03:39 AM, Remi Dargis wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC-4, Corvid wrote:
>>> On 06/29/2020 03:09 PM, wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone, i am new to ultralights (i was only flying skyhawks
>>>> and warriors until now). i now own Fisher ultralight with Rotax
>>>> 277. i never flew it, i never saw it flying and i do not know
>>>> previous owner who actually flew it. when i got the airplane it
>>>> had carb removed but everything else looks in good shape. i put
>>>> carb back and was able to successfully start the engine. engine
>>>> runs nice and smooth at 4000 rpm or above, but when it drops
>>>> below 4000 it starts shaking badly. it runs stable but shakes to
>>>> the point that some screws from the panel shook out. i have read
>>>> that single cylinder 2 strokes shake a lot, but to me it looks
>>>> too excessive. i took a prop off and it runs much smoother
>>>> without it. i am thinking prop may be out of balance? the problem
>>>> is that i do not have any experience or knowledge to tell how
>>>> much vibration is too much on those engines. does anyone know
>>>> how to determine if this vibration is normal?
>>>
>>> There's a link for tech support at https://fisherflying.com/
>>>
>>> The prop could be balanced perfectly, and have the flex or mass to
>>> interact unfavorably with the engine, engine mount,
>>> speed-reduction drive. Or anything else.
>>
>> my problem is that i don't know how much vibration is consider
>> "normal". i am reading online that others are complaining about 277
>> shaking, some say this is normal and just a nature of this motor. i
>> don't want to start replacing things if this is normal. is there any
>> criteria, anything to determine if this is normal? that shaking
>> sounds like "compression vibration" - makes one bang on every stroke.
>> or if you turn ignition off at higher rpm, when it starts to wind
>> down below 4000 starts banging and does that till the last stroke
>> when it stops.
>
>4000 sure sounds high for banging and shaking. I know what I'd replace
>if that's normal.
>
>crossposted to rec.aviation.homebuilt , a once-bustling group which
>still has lurkers waiting for questions like this.
Cokld it be "4 cycling" from running too rich? Could also be prop
balance but "generally" that does not get better with speed. Being a
relatively large single it will NOT run "smooth" - but as you say, how
rough is TOO rough?

Remi Dargis
July 1st 20, 01:24 AM
At 4000 it is not bad, it starts banging when it goes below that. At 2000 it feels like every compresion stroke makes a painful bang. I dont even want to run it on idle, afraid somwthing will brake. I wish i could look at another airplane with similar motor to compare but there is none around. I was hoping someone has one and can share experience.

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