A new Oudie for other users looks promising for glider pilots and more

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Naviter seems to be getting more creative. They released a pair of Oudie 5’s for the hang/paraglider crowd that are interesting because they have FLARM built in! Think Oudie IGC w/FLARM.

They have also just released an app called See You Navigator that is available for Android and iOS! It is not a full fledged flight computer yet but does have a lot of nice features including integration with SkySight and TopMeteo and they are promising quick development of additional features.

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On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:39:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Naviter seems to be getting more creative. They released a pair of Oudie 5’s for the hang/paraglider crowd that are interesting because they have FLARM built in! Think Oudie IGC w/FLARM.
>
> They have also just released an app called See You Navigator that is available for Android and iOS! It is not a full fledged flight computer yet but does have a lot of nice features including integration with SkySight and TopMeteo and they are promising quick development of additional features.
Flarm appears to be "transmit only" per the Naviter site. Its a step in the right direction.

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[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 8/29/2020 12:54 PM:
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:39:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> Naviter seems to be getting more creative. They released a pair of Oudie 5’s for the hang/paraglider crowd that are interesting because they have FLARM built in! Think Oudie IGC w/FLARM.
>>
>> They have also just released an app called See You Navigator that is available for Android and iOS! It is not a full fledged flight computer yet but does have a lot of nice features including integration with SkySight and TopMeteo and they are promising quick development of additional features.
> Flarm appears to be "transmit only" per the Naviter site. Its a step in the right direction.

It may be only step required for a paraglider. The intention is to make
paragliders "visible" to fast aircraft, like gliders and airplanes with Flarm.
There is no need for receiving Flarm, as they do not need it's collision avoidance
features (due to the slow airspeeds and highly visible wings, I assume); instead,
they use FANET to broadcast their position and climb rate to other paragliders.
Pretty slick.

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[Ron Gleason]

On Saturday, 29 August 2020 11:39:31 UTC-6, wrote:
> Naviter seems to be getting more creative. They released a pair of Oudie 5’s for the hang/paraglider crowd that are interesting because they have FLARM built in! Think Oudie IGC w/FLARM.
>
> They have also just released an app called See You Navigator that is available for Android and iOS! It is not a full fledged flight computer yet but does have a lot of nice features including integration with SkySight and TopMeteo and they are promising quick development of additional features.

FLARM but what about POWER FLARM for North AMerica?

[Richard Pfiffner[_2_]]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:32:55 PM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 11:39:31 UTC-6, wrote:
> > Naviter seems to be getting more creative. They released a pair of Oudie 5’s for the hang/paraglider crowd that are interesting because they have FLARM built in! Think Oudie IGC w/FLARM.
> >
> > They have also just released an app called See You Navigator that is available for Android and iOS! It is not a full fledged flight computer yet but does have a lot of nice features including integration with SkySight and TopMeteo and they are promising quick development of additional features.
>
> FLARM but what about POWER FLARM for North AMerica?

I suspect they will chose not to go thru the FCC approval process for PowerFlarm. It is very expensive. 25K or more.

Richard
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I don't understand what they are intending to do with SeeYou Navigator. They have a fundamental problem that if they make their Android app too good they will destroy the market for the Oudie. In many ways SeeYou Navigator is very attractive and almost an alternative to Oudie or XC Soar, but it does not have some features which are essential for a primary glide computer/navigation system. One example is routes/tasks - you can only set a single waypoint to go to. I believe it requires a SeeYou subscription which is obviously a disadvantage compared to XC Soar. It incorporates rain radar, satellite images, Skysight or Top Meteo weather and OGN traffic info. Are any of these currently available in XC Soar? Oudie lets you load weather forecasts using Naviter Updater (much less convenient than the full integration in Navigator) but not the other aspects.

Oudie IGC is still the gold standard in my opinion, incorporating an all day battery, an IGC flight recorder and engine noise level recording. But today XC Soar is a very persuasive alternative to a regular Oudie, SeeYou Navigator could easily be made to overtake XC Soar and maybe justify a subscription but that would require addition of sufficient features to render a non-IGC Oudie obsolete.

On Sunday, 30 August 2020 at 01:46:33 UTC+1, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:32:55 PM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:
> > On Saturday, 29 August 2020 11:39:31 UTC-6, wrote:
> > > Naviter seems to be getting more creative. They released a pair of Oudie 5’s for the hang/paraglider crowd that are interesting because they have FLARM built in! Think Oudie IGC w/FLARM.
> > >
> > > They have also just released an app called See You Navigator that is available for Android and iOS! It is not a full fledged flight computer yet but does have a lot of nice features including integration with SkySight and TopMeteo and they are promising quick development of additional features..
> >
> > FLARM but what about POWER FLARM for North AMerica?
> I suspect they will chose not to go thru the FCC approval process for PowerFlarm. It is very expensive. 25K or more.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

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Critics of the Oudie have always described it as old hardware running a dead operating system. What I think is interesting in the latest moves is that Naviter may be moving to a software model rather a focus on proprietary hardware. Yes, they’ll continue to milk the hardware with added features for as long as possible, but the question is whether an Oudie replacement will ever built or whether the focus in the future will be on software alone. Perhaps the most telling aspect with the new app is that it will be available on iOS as well as Android. If they develop it properly, they may replace iGlide as the iOS alternative (and make more money selling it as a subscription service than as a discrete transaction.)