Google Groups Beta

[Steven P. McNicoll]

I went to Google Canada some months ago when that godawful Beta version of
Google Groups was introduced in the US. Today it found it's way to the
Canadian site as well. Anybody know of a clean site left?

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 04 May 2005 22:55:28 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote in
et>::

>I went to Google Canada some months ago when that godawful Beta version of
>Google Groups was introduced in the US. Today it found it's way to the
>Canadian site as well. Anybody know of a clean site left?
>

Try these:

http://groups.google.co.in/advanced_group_search?hl=en
http://www.google.co.uk/advanced_group_search?hl=en

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> Try these:
>
> http://groups.google.co.in/advanced_group_search?hl=en
> http://www.google.co.uk/advanced_group_search?hl=en
>

Beta at both.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:34:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote in
et>::

>
>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Try these:
>>
>> http://groups.google.co.in/advanced_group_search?hl=en
>> http://www.google.co.uk/advanced_group_search?hl=en
>>
>
>Beta at both.
>

Goggle must have just switched to Beta worldwide. Oh well....

[Jay Honeck]

>I went to Google Canada some months ago when that godawful Beta version of
>Google Groups was introduced in the US. Today it found it's way to the
>Canadian site as well. Anybody know of a clean site left?

I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work. I've found
their version of the groups to be not without merit. It's not as good as
using Outlook Express (or Outlook) -- but it's better than some newsreaders
I've found.

What do you find so wrong with it?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:.
>
> What do you find so wrong with it?
> --


One of the groups that I follow, Beta just abitrarily dropped about
13,000 posts and decided that there were only 2 posts in 10+ years of
the group's exsistance. Three days later it suddenly found the posts it
dropped and then the next day lost them again....

Craig C.

[Larry Dighera]

On 4 May 2005 21:50:21 -0700, wrote in
. com>::

>
>Jay Honeck wrote:.
>>
>> What do you find so wrong with it?
>> --
>
>
>One of the groups that I follow, Beta just abitrarily dropped about
>13,000 posts and decided that there were only 2 posts in 10+ years of
>the group's exsistance. Three days later it suddenly found the posts it
>dropped and then the next day lost them again....

Although, I'm sure this is not the reason for Mr. McNicoll's
abhorrence of Google Group's Beta user interface, Google Groups is an
open spam gateway to Usenet evidenced by the recent blizzard of spam
posted by 'Amos'.

The 'improved' Beta UI automatically trims included text from the
articles it presents, rewraps formatted text poorly, destroys proper
threading, and is generally inferior to the prior Google interface,
let alone the useful DajaNews interface.

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Jrhee.48364$r53.25814@attbi_s21...
> I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work. [...]

Tell your boss to get a clue. As long as you're reading the newsgroups on
your own time, there's no reason you shouldn't have NNTP access on your work
network.

:)

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Jrhee.48364$r53.25814@attbi_s21...
>
> I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work. I've found
> their version of the groups to be not without merit. It's not as good as
> using Outlook Express (or Outlook) -- but it's better than some
> newsreaders I've found.
>
> What do you find so wrong with it?
>

I find it more difficult to track message threads compared to the previous
format. I think it's a step backward.

[Martin Hotze]

On Thu, 05 May 2005 04:39:05 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I went to Google Canada some months ago when that godawful Beta version of
>>Google Groups was introduced in the US. Today it found it's way to the
>>Canadian site as well. Anybody know of a clean site left?
>
>I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work.

why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?

> I've found
>their version of the groups to be not without merit. It's not as good as
>using Outlook Express (or Outlook) -- but it's better than some newsreaders
>I've found.

try forte. it is free. -> www.forteinc.com

>What do you find so wrong with it?

it is a web frontend.

#m
(still searching more newsfeeds for our newsserver (we have now 20+ feeds
up and running) - see http://service.hotze.com/usenet/peering.htm for more
info; I might also add alt.binaries.pictures.aviation some day, depending
on traffic. and there might be a chance for access to the server for r.a.*
folks)
--
<http://www.hotze.priv.at/album/aviation/caution.jpg>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
>
> On Thu, 05 May 2005 04:39:05 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>>I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work.
>>
>
> why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?
>

It's because he has an unreasonable employer.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>>I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work.
>
>why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?

"ISP at work"? You've never worked at a company with a real IT
department, have you? Ours doesn't allow anything out of the firewall
without passing through proxies that they can monitor, and that means web
telnet, or ftp only. Not even ssh, which is a royal pain in the ass.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I find that anthropomorphism really doesn't help me deal with hardware all
that much, because it lends a certain attitude of disdain to what would
otherwise be a mere malfunction. -- Carl Jacobs

[Martin Hotze]

On Thu, 5 May 2005 13:09:14 +0000 (UTC), Paul Tomblin wrote:

>>>I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work.
>>
>>why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?
>
>"ISP at work"? You've never worked at a company with a real IT
>department, have you?

hmm. I'm root ... :-)

> Ours doesn't allow anything out of the firewall
>without passing through proxies that they can monitor, and that means web
>telnet, or ftp only.

I have the doubtful pleasure to host a site for someone (google translates
it with 'work council') who needs to access the site from within the
company he is working for (Swarovski crystal [1]).

> Not even ssh, which is a royal pain in the ass.

you can change the port ssh is using (but you might then violate our
company's usage policy)

#m

[1] their headquarter is only 15 minutes by car away from here.

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[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>On Thu, 5 May 2005 13:09:14 +0000 (UTC), Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> Not even ssh, which is a royal pain in the ass.
>
>you can change the port ssh is using (but you might then violate our
>company's usage policy)

Doesn't help if the only connection I'm allowed to make is to port 8080 on
proxy-server.<company>.com

Yes, I know how you can tunnel ssh through a web proxy. I don't
particularly want to get fired, though. We have a telnet proxy, and so I
telnet home and use text based news and mail clients there. Which is one
reason why I LOVE mutt and trn and have never been tempted to the dark
side of GUI newsreaders. The other reason is that I can navigate my news
without taking my hands off the home row and grabbing a mouse.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Will debug C homework for lap dances.
-- Mike Looney

[Jay Honeck]

>> I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work. [...]
>
> Tell your boss to get a clue. As long as you're reading the newsgroups on
> your own time, there's no reason you shouldn't have NNTP access on your
> work network.

I tried to get the jerk fired, but it didn't work out.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>> why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?
>
> It's because he has an unreasonable employer.

Yeah, he's a cheap *******...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Martin Hotze]

On Thu, 5 May 2005 14:17:23 +0000 (UTC), Paul Tomblin wrote:

>>you can change the port ssh is using (but you might then violate our
>>company's usage policy)
>
>Doesn't help if the only connection I'm allowed to make is to port 8080 on
>proxy-server.<company>.com

*ouch*

>Yes, I know how you can tunnel ssh through a web proxy. I don't
>particularly want to get fired, though.

well, this is a very good point, isn't it?

#m
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[John Galban]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

> I find it more difficult to track message threads compared to the
previous
> format. I think it's a step backward.

Like Jay, I use it at work because I have no NNTP access. I've been
using Beta since it came out and it's been getting better. I think
the biggest problem was learning how to navigate groups with the new
interface. After using it for a few weeks, I finally got it set up so
that I can see the threads easily and navigate the groups that I
follow.

I used to just use the "advanced search" page to read the groups.
With Beta, I actually signed up and gave it the list of my preferred
groups. Like I said, it's not perfect by any standard, but it seems
to work OK once you get the hang of it.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:obqee.58276$c24.11487@attbi_s72...
> I tried to get the jerk fired, but it didn't work out.

Well, at the very least, you ought to hack the network (to ensure NNTP goes
through) and install a non-web newsreader. That'll show the *******. The
hard part will be getting access to the network without him noticing. Tempt
him with some beer. :)

[Peter Duniho]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
>>I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work.
>
> why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?

Apparently not. Oddly enough. :)

> try forte. it is free. -> www.forteinc.com

You mean Agent. No, wait...you mean Free Agent. Agent costs money.
Outlook Express is free too. So is 40tude Dialog. There are probably
others. But until Jay gets NNTP acccess, all of that is irrelevant.

Pete

[Martin Hotze]

On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:30:35 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:

>>>I'm stuck using Google to access the groups when I'm at work.
>>
>> why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?
>
>Apparently not. Oddly enough. :)


hm, he might install Hamster http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamster_en.htm as a
small newserver (freeware) at home, use a static IP address or dyn-dns at
home and then connect from work to the server at home.

or he uses a free NNTP access (or invests some bucks for a paid service or
switches to an ISP offering all what he wants/needs)

>> try forte. it is free. -> www.forteinc.com
>
>You mean Agent.

yep.

> No, wait...you mean Free Agent. Agent costs money.
>Outlook Express is free too. So is 40tude Dialog. There are probably
>others. But until Jay gets NNTP acccess, all of that is irrelevant.


hm, I gave Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ a try
(also freeware) today and installed an Outlook Express theme. Worked OK and
gives the Outlook Express user a known environment.

>Pete

#m
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[Bob Noel]

In article <jcqee.58225$WI3.37479@attbi_s71>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> >> why? does your ISP at work does not offer usenet news?
> >
> > It's because he has an unreasonable employer.
>
> Yeah, he's a cheap *******...

At least you didn't blame it on Mary!

:-)

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> "ISP at work"? You've never worked at a company with a real IT
> department, have you? Ours doesn't allow anything out of the firewall
> without passing through proxies that they can monitor, and that means web
> telnet, or ftp only. Not even ssh, which is a royal pain in the ass.

Two words:
HTTP CONNECT

Run your ssh server on port 443. Run a script that contacts the web
proxy and connects to the remote ssh server on port 443, and connect
your ssh client to your script. The proxy can't tell the difference
between ssh and https because of their end-to-end encrypted nature.

If you are using Redmondware, PuTTY will actually do the whole thing for
you.

I used to work for $IT_GIANT, and they didn't filter ssh - it was rather
nice of them.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> reason why I LOVE mutt and trn and have never been tempted to the dark
> side of GUI newsreaders.

The other advantage is I have the same .newsrc wherever in the world I
go - I don't have to worry about picking the unread articles out if I'm
using someone else's computer since my news reader is always run on the
same box.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Tomi Häsä]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2005 22:55:28 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> > wrote in
> et>::
>
> >I went to Google Canada some months ago when that
> >godawful Beta version of Google Groups was
> >introduced in the US. Today it found it's way to
> >the Canadian site as well. Anybody know of a clean
> >site left?
>
> Try these:
>
> http://groups.google.co.in/advanced_group_search?hl=en
> http://www.google.co.uk/advanced_group_search?hl=en

Or this one:

http://www.google.es/grphp?hl=en

Discussed here also:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google-labs-groups2/browse_frm/thread/580f598d9c1eaa65/70876aecfdd10ed8?hl=en#70876aecfdd10ed8
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google.public.support.general/browse_frm/thread/e827963850058983/284f75d448efccb8?hl=en#284f75d448efccb8

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Tomi Häsä" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Or this one:
>
> http://www.google.es/grphp?hl=en
>

We have a winner! Thanks!

[Tomi Häsä]

Tomi H=E4s=E4 wrote:
> Larry Dighera wrote:
> >
> > Try these:
> >
> > http://groups.google.co.in/advanced_group_search?hl=3Den
> > http://www.google.co.uk/advanced_group_search?hl=3Den
>
> Or this one:
>
> http://www.google.es/grphp?hl=3Den

Update: these are no longer GG1 sites (since May 28):

http://www.google.es/grphp?hl=3Den
http://www.google.co.id/grphp?hl=3Den
http://www.google.ru/grphp?hl=3Den
http://www.google.com.tr/grphp?hl=3Den
http://www.google.co.hu/grphp?hl=3Den
http://www.google.kz/grphp?hl=3Den
http://www.google.ms/grphp?hl=3Den

Whole GG1 list here:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.dejanews/msg/21c42848856e8e3b
. com>

[Tomi Häsä]

Tomi H=E4s=E4 wrote:
>
> Whole GG1 list here:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.dejanews/msg/21c42848856e8e3b
> . com>

And here:

http://www.geocities.com/googlepubsupgenfaq/gg1_sites.html
http://www.geocities.com/googlepubsupgenfaq/#gg1sites