EAA Beer Bash

[john smith]

(What will Larry do?) :-))

HOPS & PROPS TO BENEFIT YOUTH EDUCATION

On Saturday, May 14, EAA AirVenture Museum hosts "Hops & Props," a new
fine food and beverage-tasting event coordinated by EAA, The Oshkosh
Northwestern newspaper, and Fox River Brewing Company that will benefit
EAA's youth education initiative.

Don't miss the opportunity to sample unique beverages provided by
microbreweries and distributors from across the region, plus enjoy
elegant hors d'oeuvres catered by the Supple Restaurant Group, and live
entertainment provided by Pandora's Groove Steel Drum Band; Ethan Keller
Band; Brothers of Other Mothers; and Lukas Larabee & the Lifepartners.

Learn about the brewing process and history, and become discerning
beverage tasters. Coffee and sweets will conclude the evening. Advance
tickets are $30 for EAA members, $35 for non-members, or $45 at the
door. (You must be 21 years of age to attend.)

Admission includes food and beverage sample tastes, a commemorative
tasting glass, museum entrance, music, and more. This events runs from 7
p.m. to 10 p.m. at the EAA AirVenture Museum.

Special VIP tickets are $50, which provide a premium "Beer School"
experience with Fox River Brewing Company's Brewmaster Brian Allen;
special reserved parking; early entrance; specialty glassware; and a
unique dining and tasting environment.

Ticket sales are limited and can be purchased from EAA as well as many
of the food and beverage establishments participating in the event. To
learn more, call 800/236-1025. You can order tickets online or by
visiting the EAA Aeronautica gift store (located in the EAA AirVenture
Museum), Fratello's Restaurant, Fox River Brewing Company or the Oshkosh
Northwestern.

[Jay Honeck]

> (What will Larry do?) :-))

I'd say an event like this -- sponsored by EAA, no less! -- will put poor
Larry into some sort of vegetative state...

;-)

Too bad it's UI graduation that weekend -- I'd love to go!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ron Tock]

john smith wrote:
> (What will Larry do?) :-))
>
> HOPS & PROPS TO BENEFIT YOUTH EDUCATION
> On Saturday, May 14, EAA AirVenture Museum hosts "Hops & Props," a
> new fine food and beverage-tasting event coordinated by EAA, The Oshkosh
> Northwestern newspaper, and Fox River Brewing Company that will benefit
> EAA's youth education initiative.
>
> Don't miss the opportunity to sample unique beverages provided by
> microbreweries and distributors from across the region, plus enjoy
> elegant hors d'oeuvres catered by the Supple Restaurant Group, and live
> entertainment provided by Pandora's Groove Steel Drum Band; Ethan Keller
> Band; Brothers of Other Mothers; and Lukas Larabee & the Lifepartners.
>
> Learn about the brewing process and history, and become discerning
> beverage tasters. Coffee and sweets will conclude the evening. Advance
> tickets are $30 for EAA members, $35 for non-members, or $45 at the
> door. (You must be 21 years of age to attend.)
>
> Admission includes food and beverage sample tastes, a commemorative
> tasting glass, museum entrance, music, and more. This events runs from 7
> p.m. to 10 p.m. at the EAA AirVenture Museum.
>
> Special VIP tickets are $50, which provide a premium "Beer School"
> experience with Fox River Brewing Company's Brewmaster Brian Allen;
> special reserved parking; early entrance; specialty glassware; and a
> unique dining and tasting environment.
>
> Ticket sales are limited and can be purchased from EAA as well as many
> of the food and beverage establishments participating in the event. To
> learn more, call 800/236-1025. You can order tickets online or by
> visiting the EAA Aeronautica gift store (located in the EAA AirVenture
> Museum), Fratello's Restaurant, Fox River Brewing Company or the Oshkosh
> Northwestern.

Errr. Is this a fly in?
Remember eight hours bottle to throttle.

[Jose]

> Errr. Is this a fly in?
> Remember eight hours bottle to throttle.

Yep. Each bottle gives you eight hours of flying.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jim Burns]

I'll be there.
Jim

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> (What will Larry do?) :-))
>
> HOPS & PROPS TO BENEFIT YOUTH EDUCATION
>
> On Saturday, May 14, EAA AirVenture Museum hosts "Hops & Props," a new
> fine food and beverage-tasting event coordinated by EAA, The Oshkosh
> Northwestern newspaper, and Fox River Brewing Company that will benefit
> EAA's youth education initiative.
>
> Don't miss the opportunity to sample unique beverages provided by
> microbreweries and distributors from across the region, plus enjoy
> elegant hors d'oeuvres catered by the Supple Restaurant Group, and live
> entertainment provided by Pandora's Groove Steel Drum Band; Ethan Keller
> Band; Brothers of Other Mothers; and Lukas Larabee & the Lifepartners.
>
> Learn about the brewing process and history, and become discerning
> beverage tasters. Coffee and sweets will conclude the evening. Advance
> tickets are $30 for EAA members, $35 for non-members, or $45 at the
> door. (You must be 21 years of age to attend.)
>
> Admission includes food and beverage sample tastes, a commemorative
> tasting glass, museum entrance, music, and more. This events runs from 7
> p.m. to 10 p.m. at the EAA AirVenture Museum.
>
> Special VIP tickets are $50, which provide a premium "Beer School"
> experience with Fox River Brewing Company's Brewmaster Brian Allen;
> special reserved parking; early entrance; specialty glassware; and a
> unique dining and tasting environment.
>
> Ticket sales are limited and can be purchased from EAA as well as many
> of the food and beverage establishments participating in the event. To
> learn more, call 800/236-1025. You can order tickets online or by
> visiting the EAA Aeronautica gift store (located in the EAA AirVenture
> Museum), Fratello's Restaurant, Fox River Brewing Company or the Oshkosh
> Northwestern.

[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 06 May 2005 13:31:50 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in
<alKee.51010$r53.22080@attbi_s21>::

>> (What will Larry do?) :-))
>
>I'd say an event like this -- sponsored by EAA, no less! -- will put poor
>Larry into some sort of vegetative state...

Like I said before, my objection was to Mr. Honeck's worldwide
announcement implying that pilots en route to EAA Airventure stop in
for an intoxicating beverage:

From: "Jay Honeck" >
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Oshkosh Bound? Free Beer in Iowa!
Message-ID: <UTyQa.59032$Ph3.6151@sccrnsc04>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.217.229.103
X-Complaints-To:
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:13:08 GMT

Yes, for those pilots who are hot, tired, thirsty, and en route to
Oshkosh on Sunday, July 27th, Mary and I are holding our First
Annual Fly-In Pool Party at the ...


I wasn't the first reader to question Mr. Honeck's ill conceived
marketing ploy:

From: "Guy Elden Jr." >
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
References: <UTyQa.59032$Ph3.6151@sccrnsc04>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh Bound? Free Beer in Iowa!
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:28:23 -0400
Message-ID: >

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:UTyQa.59032$Ph3.6151@sccrnsc04...
> Pathfinder), you'll arrived more refreshed -- and, besides,
> where the heck ELSE are you gonna get free beer en route to the
> Big Show, anyway? ;)

Is there a free sober-up room to go along with the free beer? :-)

--
Guy Elden Jr.


Publicly suggesting in a worldwide forum that pilots stop en route for
a beer seems to add fuel the news media's penchant for
sensationalizing each incident of such pilot violations. Is that the
image airman want to project worldwide? The choice is ours.

[RST Engineering]

Oh, $#!+, here we go again...

Jim


>
> Errr. Is this a fly in?
> Remember eight hours bottle to throttle.

[Grumman-581]

"Ron Tock" wrote in message ...
> Errr. Is this a fly in?
> Remember eight hours bottle to throttle.

Not a problem... Drink enough and the 8 hours will handle itself...

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 07 May 2005 00:52:26 GMT, "Grumman-581" >
wrote in <ejUee.54088$r53.12591@attbi_s21>::

>"Ron Tock" wrote in message ...
>> Errr. Is this a fly in?
>> Remember eight hours bottle to throttle.
>
>Not a problem... Drink enough and the 8 hours will handle itself...
>

Right. At least this tavern is located on-site.

[Matt Barrow]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
news:ejUee.54088$r53.12591@attbi_s21...
> "Ron Tock" wrote in message ...
> > Errr. Is this a fly in?
> > Remember eight hours bottle to throttle.
>
> Not a problem... Drink enough and the 8 hours will handle itself...
>
The "Fly In" part isn't the problem, it's the "Fly Out" part that gets
dicey.

Too bad they're not having a Scotch Bash :~(

(Beer gives me...um, ah...the winds!!)

[Jay Honeck]

> I wasn't the first reader to question Mr. Honeck's ill conceived
> marketing ploy:

"Marketing ploy?" Larry, a marketing ploy is designed to MAKE money.

A "party" is designed to COST money.

Trust me -- we haven't broken even on the pool party yet -- let alone made
money! (Nor would I want to make money on it, quite frankly.) The idea is
to say "thanks" to all the pilots en route to the greatest show on earth,
and to celebrate another great year -- period.

This year it's July 23rd. No admission. No strings. Just free beer, pop,
and food, all burnt at poolside to a delicate patina -- by yours truly!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:xxVee.54333$r53.40993@attbi_s21...
> > I wasn't the first reader to question Mr. Honeck's ill conceived
> > marketing ploy:
>
> "Marketing ploy?" Larry, a marketing ploy is designed to MAKE money.
>
> A "party" is designed to COST money.
>
> Trust me -- we haven't broken even on the pool party yet -- let alone made
> money! (Nor would I want to make money on it, quite frankly.) The idea
is
> to say "thanks" to all the pilots en route to the greatest show on earth,
> and to celebrate another great year -- period.
>
> This year it's July 23rd. No admission. No strings. Just free beer, pop,
> and food, all burnt at poolside to a delicate patina -- by yours truly!
>
> :-)

"A man's got to know his limitations!!"

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 07 May 2005 02:15:57 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in
<xxVee.54333$r53.40993@attbi_s21>::

>"Marketing ploy?" Larry, a marketing ploy is designed to MAKE money.
>
>A "party" is designed to COST money.

Perhaps. But it would seem that you have a rather captive audience,
in as much as pilots will be unable to depart for 8 house after
consuming the last free drink, and you are in the business of renting
rooms for the night.

And given:

> From: "Jay Honeck" >
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> Subject: Re: Oshkosh Bound? Free Beer in Iowa!
> Message-ID: <SjDQa.61093$H17.19134@sccrnsc02>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:16:02 GMT
>
>> Is there a free sober-up room to go along with the free beer?
>> :-)
>
> Well, you could lay down in my hanger, I suppose.
>
> We've got two couches there -- one comfy for sleeping, and the
> other that we got from the "University Surplus" store. It's hard
> plastic, and was obviously designed to be cleaned with a fire
> hose, for those "post party" power yawns... ;)
> --
> Jay Honeck

It would seem that your policy is not to provide complementary rooms
to the guests you entice with beer, so it might accurately be
characterized as a marketing scheme if they are made to pay for a room
at your establishment.

I was perfectly willing to drop this issue, but you keep drawing my
name into it, so you force me to go on reminding you of the facts.

[Jay Honeck]

> I was perfectly willing to drop this issue, but you keep drawing my
> name into it, so you force me to go on reminding you of the facts.

Ah, Larry . It is you who continue to impugn yourself.

But, be that as it may, you're always welcome at the inn for a cold one.
Even if it's a soda.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 07 May 2005 04:28:35 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in
<TtXee.61451$WI3.61136@attbi_s71>::

>It is you who continue to impugn yourself.

Are you attempting to imply that I contradict myself? That's a bit
ridiculous given the facts.

Which of the definitions given in the links below did you intend for
your use of the word 'impugn'?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=impugn
To attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument: impugn
a political opponent's record.

attack as false or wrong


http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=2&q=impugn

criticize

assail

attack

censure

challenge

charge

contradict

contravene

denigrate

denounce


http://www.wordreference.com/definition/impugn

attack as false or wrong


http://www.bartleby.com/61/92/I0069200.html

To attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument: impugn
a political opponent's record.


http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=impugn

to assail by words or arguments : oppose or attack as false


http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/i/i0069200.html

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/i/i0069200.html


http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0006903.html

challenge; call in question; oppose; attack by argument


http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2003/07/20.html

impugn \im-PYOON\, transitive verb:
To attack by words or arguments; to call in question; to make
insinuations against; to oppose or challenge as false; to gainsay.

As might be expected of fanatical flag idolaters, the GAR did not
accept refusals lightly, and in one instance in Illinois impugned
the patriotic loyalty of recalcitrant local school administrators
by spreading rumors that one of them was a foreign alien yet to be
naturalized and the other a draft dodger who evaded Civil War
service by fleeing to Canada.
--Albert Boime, The Unveiling of the National Icons

After hearing that her brother had been impugned by his political
rivals, she also wrote a verse defense of his honor, entitled
"Lines on reading an attack upon the political career of the late
Albert Baker Esqr."
--Caroline Fraser, God's Perfect Child

Still, I was unpleasantly surprised when, in the morning, several
of my coworkers took it upon themselves to crassly impugn G.B.'s
capacity for leadership.
--Lydia Millet, George Bush, Dark Prince of Love

Even though it is nowhere alleged that disclosures of sinful
activity by priests impugn the integrity of the entire ministry,
that nevertheless is the passing legacy of the current scandals.
--William F. Buckley Jr., "The House of Disillusion," National
Review, May 14, 2002


http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/03/03.html

Word of the Day for Friday March 3, 2000
impugn \im-PYOON\, transitive verb:
To attack as false; to challenge in argument; to contradict; to
assail; to call in question; to make insinuations against; to
gainsay; to oppose.

She is never unaware of her own motives, and when her
manipulations fail she does not impugn the self-interest of others
working against her own.
--Elizabeth Hardwick, Sight-Readings: American Fictions

Still, I was unpleasantly surprised when, in the morning, several
of my coworkers took it upon themselves to crassly impugn George
Bush's capacity for leadership.
--Lydia Millet, George Bush, Dark Prince of Love: A Presidential
Romance

Arum said he didn't want to impugn the decision of the judges, but
then he did.
-- Timothy W. Smith, "Trinidad Beat De La Hoya, but King Is the
Big Winner," New York Times, September 20, 1999


http://www.reference.com/search?q=impugn

....

[Jay Honeck]

>>It is you who continue to impugn yourself.
>
> Are you attempting to imply that I contradict myself?

I am implying that you continue to look a gift horse in the mouth, to the
bemusement and consternation of many -- myself included.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 07 May 2005 03:43:40 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

>I was perfectly willing to drop this issue, but you keep drawing my
>name into it, so you force me to go on reminding you of the facts.

as a fact: every one, especially a pilot, should know when to drink beer or
not. So it is completely up to the pilot to drink alcohol and rent a room
at Jay's place or somewhere else (or sleep in the plane).

#m
--
http://www.hotze.priv.at/album/aviation/caution.jpg

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:TtXee.61451$WI3.61136@attbi_s71...
> > I was perfectly willing to drop this issue, but you keep drawing my
> > name into it, so you force me to go on reminding you of the facts.
>
> Ah, Larry . It is you who continue to impugn yourself.
>
> But, be that as it may, you're always welcome at the inn for a cold one.
> Even if it's a soda.
>
Not likely he's of drinking age.

[RST Engineering]

You know, there are damned few places between California and Oshkosh that
give me a hell of a discount on what is arguably a modestly priced room to
start with, toss me the keys to the fueling truck so that I can run down the
the local mogas emporium where I pay street price for airplane mogas, feed
me dinner for free (and perhaps even a mug or two of Old Rammycackle if I
feel like it), feed me breakfast the next morning, and fly formation with me
into Oshkosh.

What's all the bellowing about? Is it free food? TINSTAAFL, but this comes
about as close as you can get to it. And nobody is twisting my arm to run
fifty miles out of my way to do it.


Jim

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:28:55 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in
<bw2fe.55224$r53.13958@attbi_s21>::

>>>It is you who continue to impugn yourself.
>>
>> Are you attempting to imply that I contradict myself?
>
>I am implying that you continue to look a gift horse in the mouth, to the
>bemusement and consternation of many -- myself included.

Then why didn't you say that?

If you deliberately wish to continue to experience that perplexity,
continue to mention my name when you post your beer announcement. If
not, ... The choice is yours.

Like I said before, it was the phrasing you chose in 2003, "Free Beer
En Route," to which I objected.

What I want to know is what I did to cause you to go back on your
decision to 'kill file' me?


From: "Jay Honeck" >
Message-ID: <ODAUa.153788$H17.54419@sccrnsc02>
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:28:46 GMT

> Perhaps we represent polar-opposite points of view. You insist
> on impishness, and I maturity.
>
> Which do you feel is more appropriate for airmen to display
> publicly?

Congratulations, Larry! You've earned a position as the very
first (and thus far, only) person in my "killfile"!

*plonk*
--
Jay Honeck

[Jay Honeck]

> What I want to know is what I did to cause you to go back on your
> decision to 'kill file' me?

Two things happened.

1. A new computer
2. Using Google Groups at work.

Suddenly, *poof* -- there you were again!

;-)

BTW: You still remain the ONLY person I've ever kill-filed -- truly an
honor, in the rarefied atmosphere of Usenet.

And, now, you have the singular and unique attribute of being the only
person I've UN-kill-filed...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy]

Dearest Larry,

Please GIVE IT UP!! Jay provides at his own cost a party for all of
those who WANT to come. If you think the "enticement" of a free beer is
enough to drag a unwilling pilot to a party and force them to spend the
night at Jay's hotel you don't think much of pilots. For those who wish
to imbibe they would have the choice of staying at Jay's or I'm sure
they could walk down the road to some other establishment. They might
even have some self control and drink, dare I say it, water!

To bash Jay for offering up a lovely social occasion is out of line!
Now, if only it was early enough for those of us who park the planes at
Oshkosh ...

We will see you when you land and I'm leaving Wed. night open to drag
myself all the way to the North 40 where Jay hosts (with the barbequeing
brilliance on Mont Blanc) another lovely party.

Cheers to Jay!! (and Mary, and the kids). While I disagree with Jay on
almost every political topic in the world the Honeck's are in my view
the pinnicle of "flying family".

Margy



Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sat, 07 May 2005 02:15:57 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote in
> <xxVee.54333$r53.40993@attbi_s21>::
>
>
>>"Marketing ploy?" Larry, a marketing ploy is designed to MAKE money.
>>
>>A "party" is designed to COST money.
>
>
> Perhaps. But it would seem that you have a rather captive audience,
> in as much as pilots will be unable to depart for 8 house after
> consuming the last free drink, and you are in the business of renting
> rooms for the night.
>
> And given:
>
> > From: "Jay Honeck" >
> > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> > Subject: Re: Oshkosh Bound? Free Beer in Iowa!
> > Message-ID: <SjDQa.61093$H17.19134@sccrnsc02>
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:16:02 GMT
> >
> >> Is there a free sober-up room to go along with the free beer?
> >> :-)
> >
> > Well, you could lay down in my hanger, I suppose.
> >
> > We've got two couches there -- one comfy for sleeping, and the
> > other that we got from the "University Surplus" store. It's hard
> > plastic, and was obviously designed to be cleaned with a fire
> > hose, for those "post party" power yawns... ;)
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
>
> It would seem that your policy is not to provide complementary rooms
> to the guests you entice with beer, so it might accurately be
> characterized as a marketing scheme if they are made to pay for a room
> at your establishment.
>
> I was perfectly willing to drop this issue, but you keep drawing my
> name into it, so you force me to go on reminding you of the facts.
>
>

[Larry Dighera]

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 May 2005 02:15:57 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
>> > wrote in
>> <xxVee.54333$r53.40993@attbi_s21>::
>>
>>
>>>"Marketing ploy?" Larry, a marketing ploy is designed to MAKE money.
>>>
>>>A "party" is designed to COST money.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps. But it would seem that you have a rather captive audience,
>> in as much as pilots will be unable to depart for 8 house after
>> consuming the last free drink, and you are in the business of renting
>> rooms for the night.
>>
>> And given:
>>
>> > From: "Jay Honeck" >
>> > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
>> > Subject: Re: Oshkosh Bound? Free Beer in Iowa!
>> > Message-ID: <SjDQa.61093$H17.19134@sccrnsc02>
>> > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:16:02 GMT
>> >
>> >> Is there a free sober-up room to go along with the free beer?
>> >> :-)
>> >
>> > Well, you could lay down in my hanger, I suppose.
>> >
>> > We've got two couches there -- one comfy for sleeping, and the
>> > other that we got from the "University Surplus" store. It's hard
>> > plastic, and was obviously designed to be cleaned with a fire
>> > hose, for those "post party" power yawns... ;)
>> > --
>> > Jay Honeck
>>
>> It would seem that your policy is not to provide complementary rooms
>> to the guests you entice with beer, so it might accurately be
>> characterized as a marketing scheme if they are made to pay for a room
>> at your establishment.
>>
>> I was perfectly willing to drop this issue, but you keep drawing my
>> name into it, so you force me to go on reminding you of the facts.
>>
>>

On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:47:24 -0400, Margy > wrote in
>::

>To bash Jay for offering up a lovely social occasion is out of line!

I wouldn't characterize my follow up article as 'bashing'. I merely
responded to Mr. Honeck's taunting me (or did you overlook that in his
initial post in this thread?) by quoting his words back at him.

I prefer not to stoop to bashing fellow pilots. But if I did, there
would be no mistake about it.

[top posting corrected] :-)

[Montblack]

("Larry Dighera" wrote)
> I wouldn't characterize my follow up article as 'bashing'. I merely
> responded to Mr. Honeck's taunting me (or did you overlook that in his
> initial post in this thread?) by quoting his words back at him.
>
> I prefer not to stoop to bashing fellow pilots. But if I did, there
> would be no mistake about it.
>
> [top posting corrected] :-)


Larry - IMHO you've mellowed(?) here lately. Easier read. Your
ideas/thoughts are coming across more clearly these days - to me anyway. Not
sure why, maybe I'm finally getting used to your style. But I think it's
something else - not exactly sure what "it" is?

Also, looks like you've recently added a bit of humor and irony. Nice change
:-)

Anyway, I know longer fear your posts. <g>


Montblack

[Dave Stadt]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Larry Dighera" wrote)
> > I wouldn't characterize my follow up article as 'bashing'. I merely
> > responded to Mr. Honeck's taunting me (or did you overlook that in his
> > initial post in this thread?) by quoting his words back at him.
> >
> > I prefer not to stoop to bashing fellow pilots. But if I did, there
> > would be no mistake about it.
> >
> > [top posting corrected] :-)
>
>
> Larry - IMHO you've mellowed(?) here lately. Easier read. Your
> ideas/thoughts are coming across more clearly these days - to me anyway.
Not
> sure why, maybe I'm finally getting used to your style. But I think it's
> something else - not exactly sure what "it" is?
>
> Also, looks like you've recently added a bit of humor and irony. Nice
change
> :-)
>
> Anyway, I know longer fear your posts. <g>
>
>
> Montblack

He just isn't any fun any more. Hope he gets back to normal soon.

[Jay Honeck]

> We will see you when you land and I'm leaving Wed. night open to drag
> myself all the way to the North 40 where Jay hosts (with the barbequeing
> brilliance on Mont Blanc) another lovely party.

Thanks for the spirited defense, Margy. Sometimes Larry just can't tell
when I'm kidding him, and when he needs to mellow out, God love 'im...

This upcoming North 40 party should be one for the books, if all goes as
planned. We're talking a pig in a roaster, thanks to Montblack (ooooo
la-la! BTW: I really like your French derivative, "Mont Blanc"... It makes
him sound so,so, I don't know, fountain pen-ish... ;-) and Jim in NC, plus
God knows what all everyone will bring to drink!

Shoot, last year it took Montblack's mini-van to hold all the food. I'm
hoping he can sneak back in again this year, or we'll all be hoofin' it back
over to Friar Tuck's...

FYI: I am also planning to break a bottle of champagne over the snout of
your new Navion (figuratively, of course -- you *know* I wouldn't waste good
booze!) in celebration of you and Ron's successful return to the air -- and
hopefully we will see you (and Mary and the newly plane-less Christine)
dancing on Atlas' wing yet again...

Ah, yes...can life get any better than OSH?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>We will see you when you land and I'm leaving Wed. night open to drag
>>myself all the way to the North 40 where Jay hosts (with the barbequeing
>>brilliance on Mont Blanc) another lovely party.
>
>
> Thanks for the spirited defense, Margy. Sometimes Larry just can't tell
> when I'm kidding him, and when he needs to mellow out, God love 'im...
>
> This upcoming North 40 party should be one for the books, if all goes as
> planned. We're talking a pig in a roaster, thanks to Montblack (ooooo
> la-la! BTW: I really like your French derivative, "Mont Blanc"... It makes
> him sound so,so, I don't know, fountain pen-ish... ;-) and Jim in NC, plus
> God knows what all everyone will bring to drink!
>
> Shoot, last year it took Montblack's mini-van to hold all the food. I'm
> hoping he can sneak back in again this year, or we'll all be hoofin' it back
> over to Friar Tuck's...
>
> FYI: I am also planning to break a bottle of champagne over the snout of
> your new Navion (figuratively, of course -- you *know* I wouldn't waste good
> booze!) in celebration of you and Ron's successful return to the air -- and
> hopefully we will see you (and Mary and the newly plane-less Christine)
> dancing on Atlas' wing yet again...
>
> Ah, yes...can life get any better than OSH?
>
> :-)
Newly plane-less?

[Jay Honeck]

>> hopefully we will see you (and Mary and the newly plane-less Christine)
>> dancing on Atlas' wing yet again...
>>
>> Ah, yes...can life get any better than OSH?
>>
> Newly plane-less?

Yes, sadly, Brian & Christine have sold our Baby to some strangers in
Monticello, IA. Hopefully they'll treat her well.

But B&C are hoping to build an RV-10, so they should only be plane-less for,
oh, five years or so...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>hopefully we will see you (and Mary and the newly plane-less Christine)
>>>dancing on Atlas' wing yet again...
>>>
>>>Ah, yes...can life get any better than OSH?
>>>
>>
>>Newly plane-less?
>
>
> Yes, sadly, Brian & Christine have sold our Baby to some strangers in
> Monticello, IA. Hopefully they'll treat her well.
>
> But B&C are hoping to build an RV-10, so they should only be plane-less for,
> oh, five years or so...

Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.

Margy

[Montblack]

("Margy" wrote)
> Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
> plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
> enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.


Look where you ended up working ...a little something to help ease the pain
:-)


Montblack

[W P Dixon]

Margy I know the feeling! Heck I retired have all kinds of time and very
little money to build and rebuild projects! The old Catch 22!!!!! The
Volksplane VP1 is coming together pretty slow in the basement, and I dream
of a decent Luscombe project!!!! And building a Thatcher CX4, and a
Sonex...ahhhhhh to work and be rich again ;)

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


> ("Margy" wrote)
>> Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
>> plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
>> enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
> plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
> enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.

I don't know how you did it. I trust you kept current in rental planes?

We've got friends who just finished their Glasair III last month. It's the
single most beautifully crafted airplane I've ever seen -- but it took him
TEN YEARS to build!

During that decade his wife discovered she had breast cancer, and was
thankfully able to beat it. But during that decade he spent every, single
night building, first in his home, then in his hangar. Night after night
after night...

What if that had been *him* that got cancer? He would have spent 3000
nights in an unheated hangar, by himself, and for what?

Life is just too short to use that kind of time.

Flying is life.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dylan Smith]

In article <vhGie.3725$796.3332@attbi_s21>, Jay Honeck wrote:
> What if that had been *him* that got cancer? He would have spent 3000
> nights in an unheated hangar, by himself, and for what?

For some people, building isn't "work", it's a major part (maybe
entirely) of the fun of the project. Those 3000 nights of building may
be the thing that kept him going. There are quite a few home builders
who spend 2000 hours building a plane, fly it for maybe a year or two,
then sell it and buy a new kit to build because they enjoy building more
than they do flying.

> Life is just too short to use that kind of time.

For you - maybe, but for someone who loves the building aspect, life is
too short for *flying* because it means they spend less time *building*.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Jay Honeck]

> For you - maybe, but for someone who loves the building aspect, life is
> too short for *flying* because it means they spend less time *building*.

That's just...wrong.

;-)

I'm a wood-worker, and enjoy creating and repairing things -- but flying is
so vastly superior to any other human endeavor, it's hard for me to imagine
giving up one moment of it in favor of sanding fiberglass or bucking
rivets...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:11:07 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in <vhGie.3725$796.3332@attbi_s21>::

>He would have spent 3000
>nights in an unheated hangar, by himself, and for what?

For the sheer joy of accomplishment as a result of having constructed
a useful machine with his bare hands.

>Life is just too short to use that kind of time.

That's a subjective opinion.

>Flying is life.

I firmly believe the bulk of aircraft home-builders are mechanics
first, and aviators second. Certainly most of them spend more time in
the hangar than in the air.

[Grumman-581]

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:p8Hie.3740$WG.2930@attbi_s22...
> I'm a wood-worker, and enjoy creating and repairing things -- but flying
is
> so vastly superior to any other human endeavor, it's hard for me to
imagine
> giving up one moment of it in favor of sanding fiberglass or bucking
> rivets...

It seems to me that more people build aircraft up north than they do down
south... There's probably a couple of reasons for it... Perhaps having
winters that don't give you that many flying days might be a factor along
with having basements to do a good part of the building process in might
also be another factor...

[Jay Honeck]

> It seems to me that more people build aircraft up north than they do down
> south... There's probably a couple of reasons for it... Perhaps having
> winters that don't give you that many flying days might be a factor along
> with having basements to do a good part of the building process in might
> also be another factor...

Good theories.

There have been quite a number of books written about why the world's
dominant, most productive and innovative civilizations (at least in the last
several hundred years) have all been in colder climates.

I always figured it's because they had to stay busy to keep warm.

("Jeez, Fritz, it's really *cold* out today." "Brrrr....sure is,
Hans...hey, let's go conquer France!")

So, 500 years ago, these guys would've been out pillaging nearby villages.
Today, they're building RV-10s...?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:39:58 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in <2tIie.5050$z_.3694@attbi_s71>::

>There have been quite a number of books written about why the world's
>dominant, most productive and innovative civilizations (at least in the last
>several hundred years) have all been in colder climates.

The Renaissance took place in southern Europe: Italy.

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
>>plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
>>enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.
>
>
> I don't know how you did it. I trust you kept current in rental planes?
>
> We've got friends who just finished their Glasair III last month. It's the
> single most beautifully crafted airplane I've ever seen -- but it took him
> TEN YEARS to build!
>
> During that decade his wife discovered she had breast cancer, and was
> thankfully able to beat it. But during that decade he spent every, single
> night building, first in his home, then in his hangar. Night after night
> after night...
>
> What if that had been *him* that got cancer? He would have spent 3000
> nights in an unheated hangar, by himself, and for what?
>
> Life is just too short to use that kind of time.
>
> Flying is life.

For some, building is life. I like to fly, but I also like to build. I
can't wait until retirement will give me the time (with 3 kids now isn't
the time). I could build for years and derive great satisfaction from
that alone ... even if I never got to fly the result.


Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>For you - maybe, but for someone who loves the building aspect, life is
>>too short for *flying* because it means they spend less time *building*.
>
>
> That's just...wrong.
>
> ;-)
>
> I'm a wood-worker, and enjoy creating and repairing things -- but flying is
> so vastly superior to any other human endeavor, it's hard for me to imagine
> giving up one moment of it in favor of sanding fiberglass or bucking
> rivets...

Jay, Jay, Jay ... you need to expand your horizons. :-)


Matt

[John Galban]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> > For you - maybe, but for someone who loves the building aspect,
life is
> > too short for *flying* because it means they spend less time
*building*.
>
> That's just...wrong.
>
> ;-)

It's a personality thing. My pal Doug has been working every night
and weekend on the RV-10 and it's ready to fly after about a year and a
half. He previously built an RV-6 (slow build, no pre-punch) in about
13 months. He tells me that he's doing the building so that he can have
a new, cool, affordable airplane to fly, but I'm convinced he's hooked
on the building process. In between airplanes, he can usually be found
tearing out walls and reconfiguring his house. The good part about
this is that my sweat equity in his airplanes gives me 1st shot at
buying the plane if (I mean when) he decides to sell. He has sworn
that he'll be keeping the RV-10 forever, but he said that about the
RV-6 too. Someday it will be mine! Thank heaven for compulsive
builders!

For those interested, here's a site with the chronology of the build :

http://www.rvator.com

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> So, 500 years ago, these guys would've been out pillaging nearby villages.

500 years ago "those guys" hibernated by the fire and drank constantly during
the rare periods when they were awake. Summer was invasion time.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

[Grumman-581]

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:2tIie.5050$z_.3694@attbi_s71...
> There have been quite a number of books written about why the world's
> dominant, most productive and innovative civilizations (at least in the
last
> several hundred years) have all been in colder climates.
>
> I always figured it's because they had to stay busy to keep warm.

I don't believe that is quite correct... It's not just colder climates, but
it is climate change... It seems that people who live in places where the
climate doesn't change throughout the year don't have the environmental
incentive to come up with new solutions to problems... In tropical
civilizations, they have nothing to compare it to, so satisfied with doing
the same thing that they've always done... In frozen civilations, there's a
lot of that too... They've found out what works to keep them from freezing
themselves to death and they just keep doing it year after year... At one
extreme, you have a group of people who have become complacent in their
living conditions since it doesn't take as much effort to survive and at the
other extreme, you have a group of people who spend a significant amount of
their effort just surviving the environment and don't have time for other
things...

Of course, I don't have any hard proof of this -- it's just a gut feeling, I
guess...

I suspect that air-conditioning wasn't invented by someone who lives in a
tropical climate, it was probably invented by someone who lived in a place
that was too warm in the summer and he longed for the cooler days of
winter...

[Jay Honeck]

> I suspect that air-conditioning wasn't invented by someone who lives in a
> tropical climate, it was probably invented by someone who lived in a place
> that was too warm in the summer and he longed for the cooler days of
> winter...

Excellent, thought-provoking post.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Margy" wrote)
>
>> Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
>> plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
>> enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.
>
>
>
> Look where you ended up working ...a little something to help ease the
> pain :-)
>
>
> Montblack
Hee, Hee, Hee. Yes, I'm having fun, but I have a hoard of docents who
keep asking "When is the plane going to be finished?"

Margy

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Poor folks, I think building would be fun, but only if I had a working
>>plane and time to build and fly. I guess retirement can't come soon
>>enough! I tell you having the Navion down for 3 years almost killed me.
>
>
> I don't know how you did it. I trust you kept current in rental planes?

I wish I had! I took an instructor to pick up the plane and do my BFR.
I have to get checked out in a 172 for our trip to Au and I haven't
flown one of those in 10 + years. I think I might hang out with
instructors for a bit!

Margy
>

[Jim Fisher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message

> There have been quite a number of books written about why the world's
> dominant, most productive and innovative civilizations (at least in the
> last several hundred years) have all been in colder climates.

It's a pretty well supported theory that the growth of human intelligence
was fed by ice ages.

Personally, I'd rather be dumb but warm than smart but freezing my ass off.


--
Jim Fisher

[George Patterson]

Jim Fisher wrote:
>
> It's a pretty well supported theory that the growth of human intelligence
> was fed by ice ages.
>
> Personally, I'd rather be dumb but warm than smart but freezing my ass off.

Freezing my butt off seems pretty dumb to me.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Jim Fisher wrote:
> Personally, I'd rather be dumb but warm than smart but freezing my ass off.

If you're smart you don't freeze your ass off, that's the beauty of it
:-)

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[A. Miller]

Not me. I'd rather fly than build.

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:11:07 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote in <vhGie.3725$796.3332@attbi_s21>::
>
> >He would have spent 3000
> >nights in an unheated hangar, by himself, and for what?
>
> For the sheer joy of accomplishment as a result of having constructed
> a useful machine with his bare hands.
>
> >Life is just too short to use that kind of time.
>
> That's a subjective opinion.
>
> >Flying is life.
>
> I firmly believe the bulk of aircraft home-builders are mechanics
> first, and aviators second. Certainly most of them spend more time in
> the hangar than in the air.
>
>