First of the phony polls to be exposed: Florida

[2G]

Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.

The polls that got it RIGHT:
Trafalgar - Trump by 2
Fox - Trump by 1

The polls that got it WRONG:
CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)

Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.

[Tim Taylor]

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 9:21:10 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
> Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
>
> The polls that got it RIGHT:
> Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> Fox - Trump by 1
>
> The polls that got it WRONG:
> CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
>
> Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.

Tom,

I don't come to R.A.S. for politics. Please stop.

[2G]

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 8:36:05 PM UTC-8, Tim Taylor wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 9:21:10 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
> > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> >
> > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > Fox - Trump by 1
> >
> > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> >
> > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't come to R.A.S. for politics. Please stop.

Like it or not, who is elected President directly affects our aviation activities.

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 1:44:16 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 8:36:05 PM UTC-8, Tim Taylor wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 9:21:10 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
> > > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> > >
> > > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > > Fox - Trump by 1
> > >
> > > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> > >
> > > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > I don't come to R.A.S. for politics. Please stop.
>
> Like it or not, who is elected President directly affects our aviation activities.

If R.A.S. were U.S. only, perhaps. But it is worldwide.

[Go Soaring]

>If R.A.S. were U.S. only, perhaps. But it is worldwide.
>

It is very worldwide, I'd say readers and contributors from every country
that glides

[Guy Byars[_5_]]

> Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.

This nonsense should be posted to alt.politics.election, not rec.aviation.soaring.

[andy l]

am not certainly am I
On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
>
> The polls that got it RIGHT:
> Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> Fox - Trump by 1
>
> The polls that got it WRONG:
> CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
>
> Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.

So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?

If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.

[Guy Byars[_5_]]

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 2:09:25 PM UTC-5, andy l wrote:
> am not certainly am I
> On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> >
> > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > Fox - Trump by 1
> >
> > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> >
> > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
>
> If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.


This nonsense should be posted to alt.politics.election, not rec.aviation.soaring.

[andy l]

On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 19:28:55 UTC, Guy Byars wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 2:09:25 PM UTC-5, andy l wrote:
> > am not certainly am I
> > On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> > >
> > > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > > Fox - Trump by 1
> > >
> > > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> > >
> > > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> > So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
> >
> > If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.
> This nonsense should be posted to alt.politics.election, not rec.aviation.soaring.

[andy l]

On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 19:28:55 UTC, Guy Byars wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 2:09:25 PM UTC-5, andy l wrote:
> > am not certainly am I
> > On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> > >
> > > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > > Fox - Trump by 1
> > >
> > > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> > >
> > > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> > So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
> >
> > If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.
> This nonsense should be posted to alt.politics.election, not rec.aviation.soaring.

100 million people voted early, and the result will be late

That isn't about politics

[2G]

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
> am not certainly am I
> On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> >
> > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > Fox - Trump by 1
> >
> > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> >
> > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
>
> So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
>
> If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.

No, it is much more about mind control by the Left. All political polls in recent memory have a strong bias to the Democrats, and I listed just ONE example. When you see a poll that your candidate is losing by 17 points (which happened this election) you are less likely to take the time to go vote.

A free and fair election SHOULD be the goal of EVERYBODY regardless of political affiliation.

[andy l]

On Thursday, 5 November 2020 at 01:46:26 UTC, 2G wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
> > am not certainly am I
> > On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> > >
> > > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > > Fox - Trump by 1
> > >
> > > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> > >
> > > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> >
> > So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
> >
> > If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.
> No, it is much more about mind control by the Left. All political polls in recent memory have a strong bias to the Democrats, and I listed just ONE example. When you see a poll that your candidate is losing by 17 points (which happened this election) you are less likely to take the time to go vote..
>
> A free and fair election SHOULD be the goal of EVERYBODY regardless of political affiliation.

Reports in the less paranoid rest of the world say Biden has more votes than any President in history, that Trump has more votes than he had last time, and that several states have margins of 3% or less.

That doesn't sound like a country psyched into not voting.

[2G]

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:42:29 PM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 at 01:46:26 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
> > > am not certainly am I
> > > On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > > > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> > > >
> > > > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > > > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > > > Fox - Trump by 1
> > > >
> > > > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > > > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > > > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > > > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> > > >
> > > > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> > >
> > > So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
> > >
> > > If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.
> > No, it is much more about mind control by the Left. All political polls in recent memory have a strong bias to the Democrats, and I listed just ONE example. When you see a poll that your candidate is losing by 17 points (which happened this election) you are less likely to take the time to go vote.
> >
> > A free and fair election SHOULD be the goal of EVERYBODY regardless of political affiliation.
>
> Reports in the less paranoid rest of the world say Biden has more votes than any President in history, that Trump has more votes than he had last time, and that several states have margins of 3% or less.
>
> That doesn't sound like a country psyched into not voting.

And how do you know how many people DID NOT vote?

[Paul T[_4_]]

At 05:23 05 November 2020, 2G wrote:
>On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:42:29 PM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
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>And how do you know how many people DID NOT vote?

Why do you feel the constant need to demonstrate to the world that you
have less brain cells than an amoeba?

[Marton KSz]

This nonsense about polls and voter participation are totally irrelevant in a glider and soaring related forum. This thread shouldn't have been started on RAS.

[Eric Munk]

There's dedicated other forums on the internet to discuss politics. I come
here for relevant discussions on gliding, which I find valuable. Could we
stick to gliding here, please?

[John Galloway[_2_]]

Before I block this thread may I remind US readers that RAS is an international open group and not the place for people to vent their US specific politics, prejudices - or, for that matter in previous threads, their gun and ammunition preferences etc.

[andy l]

On Thursday, 5 November 2020 at 05:23:49 UTC, 2G wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:42:29 PM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 November 2020 at 01:46:26 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-8, andy l wrote:
> > > > am not certainly am I
> > > > On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 04:21:10 UTC, 2G wrote:
> > > > > Pres. Trump has won Florida by 3.5 points.
> > > > >
> > > > > The polls that got it RIGHT:
> > > > > Trafalgar - Trump by 2
> > > > > Fox - Trump by 1
> > > > >
> > > > > The polls that got it WRONG:
> > > > > CNBC - Biden by THREE! (wrong by 6.5!!)
> > > > > Reuters - Biden by FOUR! (wrong by 7.5!!)
> > > > > Quinnipiac - Biden by FIVE! (wrong by 8.5!!)
> > > > >
> > > > > Takeaway: the polls that got it RIGHT are within their margin of error; the polls that got it WRONG missed it by TWICE OR MORE than their margin of error.
> > > >
> > > > So is this the widespread electoral fraud that Trump is whingeing to the world about?
> > > >
> > > > If he thought there were problems in the electoral system there, or fraud and disappearing mail in the US Postal Service. he's had 4 years of doing nothing about it.
> > > No, it is much more about mind control by the Left. All political polls in recent memory have a strong bias to the Democrats, and I listed just ONE example. When you see a poll that your candidate is losing by 17 points (which happened this election) you are less likely to take the time to go vote.
> > >
> > > A free and fair election SHOULD be the goal of EVERYBODY regardless of political affiliation.
> >
> > Reports in the less paranoid rest of the world say Biden has more votes than any President in history, that Trump has more votes than he had last time, and that several states have margins of 3% or less.
> >
> > That doesn't sound like a country psyched into not voting.
> And how do you know how many people DID NOT vote?

In a gliding contest you fill your glider with water ballast. When it is weighed on the way to the grid it is slightly over the reference weight, and you are asked to dump a small amount.

Now it is ok. In a moment of idle curiosity you wonder how much you have actually dumped.

[Peter F[_2_]]

At 06:51 05 November 2020, Paul T wrote:
>At 05:23 05 November 2020, 2G wrote:

>Why do you feel the constant need to demonstrate to the world that you
>have less brain cells than an amoeba?
>
>
Because he can't help himself?

[Kenn Sebesta]

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 4:10:55 AM UTC-5, jpg... wrote:
> Before I block this thread may I remind US readers that RAS is an international open group and not the place for people to vent their US specific politics, prejudices - or, for that matter in previous threads, their gun and ammunition preferences etc.

RAS has moderators? (I really thought it was a free-for-all.)

If so, can we respectfully ask that they become more involved in ensuring a civil, relevant tone?