Tips on Flying to Dulles

[Jay Honeck]

In June we are planning to fly to Washington Dulles International (IAD) to
participate in Margy Natalie's "Reach for the Stars: Become a Pilot" Family
Day at the National Air & Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy facility. (Yes, we're
going to be a museum piece for the day. Think: Disney animatronic
Presidents on display -- except that it will be Mary, me and the kids
standing by our plane, talking to museum visitors about our family flying
experiences!)

The trip looks pretty easy -- 666 nm, in about 4:41. Weather permitting,
we'll be there by lunch.

However, after hearing all the horror stories about F-16s and TFRs, it seems
wise to approach the Usenet Altar of Knowledge, and ask those familiar with
all the flight restrictions around Washington, D.C. for any tips on how best
to approach Dulles VFR. What's the best way to get in?

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ray Bengen]

You won't have any problems just extra work to do. Done it many times.
ATC are terrific at helping. It's really SOP today. Hopefully, the
bloody thing will go away soon. Also hope pilots will stop penetrating it
accidently and will understand the ramifications to us all.

AOPA's online course does help. http://www.aopa.org/adiz/adiz.html .

File your flight plan on the phone, VFR or IFR:
Get your squawk code
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/031403_check.pdf )
Fly and don't forget to keep squawking until you land and clear the runway:
Enjoy the flight.

I'm not trying to diminish the workload just saying once you adhere to the
procedure, it's no huge deal IMHO.

Let us know how it went.

Ray


On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:24:28 GMT, Jay Honeck >
wrote:

> In June we are planning to fly to Washington Dulles International (IAD)
> to
> participate in Margy Natalie's "Reach for the Stars: Become a Pilot"
> Family
> Day at the National Air & Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy facility. (Yes,
> we're
> going to be a museum piece for the day. Think: Disney animatronic
> Presidents on display -- except that it will be Mary, me and the kids
> standing by our plane, talking to museum visitors about our family flying
> experiences!)
>
> The trip looks pretty easy -- 666 nm, in about 4:41. Weather
> permitting,
> we'll be there by lunch.
>
> However, after hearing all the horror stories about F-16s and TFRs, it
> seems
> wise to approach the Usenet Altar of Knowledge, and ask those familiar
> with
> all the flight restrictions around Washington, D.C. for any tips on how
> best
> to approach Dulles VFR. What's the best way to get in?
>
> Thanks!



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[Jay Masino]

Ray Bengen > wrote:
> I'm not trying to diminish the workload just saying once you adhere to the
> procedure, it's no huge deal IMHO.

It's not a huge deal, unless you make an innocent mistake, or have an
avionics failure of some sort. Then it could become a huge deal. The
procedure is easy, the ramifications of making a mistake are significant.

Jay should note that if, at any time, ATC loses his transponder returns,
he'll be instructed to make an immediate 180, and leave the airspace.
This sometimes happens because of "dead zones" in the airspace where ATC's
radar can't interrogate your transponder (for whatever reason). If they
can't contact you on the radio (to tell you that your transponder isn't
working), you'll be intercepted. AOPA recommends that you familiarize
yourself with intercept procedures, prior to entering the DC ADIZ.


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[Jose]

The DC ADIZ thing is easy enough - you just have to do it perfectly or
you get busted. I've gone in there many times, even VFR flying at 1000
feet. Filed the appropriate DC ADIZ flight plan before we left, climed
to 3000 early enough to contact ATC, eventually they came back to us and
gave us the squawk code and cleared us in. While this was happening,
the controllers were confused about somebody else who was being issued
two different codes and they were getting ready to do something (I don't
know what).

But once I got my code and was talking to approach, I could go back down
to a prettier altitude and fly in.

As for Dulles, find out beforehand where the FBO is, and plan on landing
long as needed to minimize taxi time. (ask or tell the controllers what
you are doing). The controllers are very accomodating.

The FBO choices you have are Signature and Piedmont. Free food. Bring
your wallet. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KIAD

You will taxi forever on takeoff. The FBO seems to never be near the
active runway, and the last time I was there they changed the active so
I had to taxi to the other end weaving between big iron. It helps to
know the key named taxi reporting points beforehand (though they are
fairly evident as you get to them)

Last time I was there, there wasn't any public transportation to speak
of. There is talk of running the Metro there, but I don't think it's
happened yet.

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Ron Natalie]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> However, after hearing all the horror stories about F-16s and TFRs, it seems
> wise to approach the Usenet Altar of Knowledge, and ask those familiar with
> all the flight restrictions around Washington, D.C. for any tips on how best
> to approach Dulles VFR. What's the best way to get in?

IFR would be the best way.
Second best, stop somewhere nearby and file your ADIZ plan and come in.
Getting into the Class B isn't really any different with the ADIZ in
place (other than certain places you can't go anymore). You'll call
up some well known place (like Winchester) and get your squawk before
you penetrate the ADIZ.

Potomac TRACON told Margy they're going to put on extra controllers for
her event. Further information to the "invited guests" will no doubt
be forthcoming (otherwise they aren't going to let you taxi anywhere
near where you want to go).

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Jay Honeck wrote:
> In June we are planning to fly to Washington Dulles International
(IAD) to
>
[snip]

> What's the best way to get in?

In light of today's events.... by automobile.

[John T]

"Jose" > wrote in message

>
> Last time I was there, there wasn't any public transportation to speak
> of. There is talk of running the Metro there, but I don't think it's
> happened yet.

They're working on it:
http://www.dullesmetro.com

'Course, I'm not holding my breath. :)

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[John T]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m
>
> Potomac TRACON told Margy they're going to put on extra controllers
> for her event. Further information to the "invited guests" will no
> doubt be forthcoming (otherwise they aren't going to let you taxi
> anywhere near where you want to go).

I must have missed the memo. Where can I get the details of this event?

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[Michelle P]

Jay,
Regardless of whatever a controller tells you keep your squawk and keep
talking until you are on the ground. They are good about telling you
that now but they weren't when all of this started.
Flying into Dulles or Leesburg is pretty easy.
While not required, file your ADIZ flight plan with Leesburg FSS. 866
225 7410. Call and make sure it is available before you take off. It
avoids problem in the air.
I file four to five a night with them, most of the briefers know my
voice at this point.
I was in the air over the sky's of DC when all the mess happened
yesterday. I would have never know if my observer had not told me. The
controller in my sector seemed un-concerned.
Michelle

Jay Honeck wrote:

>In June we are planning to fly to Washington Dulles International (IAD) to
>participate in Margy Natalie's "Reach for the Stars: Become a Pilot" Family
>Day at the National Air & Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy facility. (Yes, we're
>going to be a museum piece for the day. Think: Disney animatronic
>Presidents on display -- except that it will be Mary, me and the kids
>standing by our plane, talking to museum visitors about our family flying
>experiences!)
>
>The trip looks pretty easy -- 666 nm, in about 4:41. Weather permitting,
>we'll be there by lunch.
>
>However, after hearing all the horror stories about F-16s and TFRs, it seems
>wise to approach the Usenet Altar of Knowledge, and ask those familiar with
>all the flight restrictions around Washington, D.C. for any tips on how best
>to approach Dulles VFR. What's the best way to get in?
>
>Thanks!
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

Jose wrote:

>
> You will taxi forever on takeoff. The FBO seems to never be near the
> active runway, and the last time I was there they changed the active so
> I had to taxi to the other end weaving between big iron. It helps to
> know the key named taxi reporting points beforehand (though they are
> fairly evident as you get to them)

The key to takeoff is frequently to ask for an intersection. Can't
tell you number of 1L at Y3 departures I've made. Of course, if
they're bent on sending you to 30, you're out of luck.

>
> Last time I was there, there wasn't any public transportation to speak
> of. There is talk of running the Metro there, but I don't think it's
> happened yet.
>
Still decades away. You can catch a motor coach down to the nearest
metro, runs about $8 I think.

[Jay Honeck]

> Potomac TRACON told Margy they're going to put on extra controllers for
> her event.

Holy crikey -- an extra controller for 25 planes?

Guess they're 'spectin' us to really screw up, eh?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> It's not a huge deal, unless you make an innocent mistake, or have an
> avionics failure of some sort. Then it could become a huge deal.

Luckily I consigned my old, intermittent Narco transponder to Ebay a couple
of years ago.

The Garmin 327 hasn't burped, yet. Hopefully it won't whilst we're over
D.C...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Second best, stop somewhere nearby and file your ADIZ plan and come in.

Okay -- in your opinion, where's the best place to stop to file the ADIZ
plan?

Someplace not to much of a hassle to get into (and out of), but with a great
on-field restaurant?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose]

> Okay -- in your opinion, where's the best place to stop to file the ADIZ
> plan?

There's no need to stop anywhere. File the plan from home. Pick an
entry point outside the ADIZ (the briefer will give you choices -
typically a VOR or intersection) and an entry time.

Be there within (I think) fifteen minutes of that time (or update your
flight plan in the air).

Be high enough for radio reception and radar coverage (no problem for
you Jay!), and be sure NOT to enter until you've gotten your sqawk.

Jose
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[Ron Natalie]

Jose wrote:

>
> There's no need to stop anywhere. File the plan from home. Pick an
> entry point outside the ADIZ (the briefer will give you choices -
> typically a VOR or intersection) and an entry time.
>
Jay's going to be like seven hours in the air from the time he leaves
Iowa City until he hits the ADIZ. I wouldn't want to bet on hitting
the ptime that far out.

Some places to consider stoping: MGW (this is probably about an hour
and a half west). Food on the field, nice airport. MRB has food I
believe (in what used to be the Flight Circus Station there) and is
just outside the ADIZ...I can give a few other restaurants that are
a little off your route of flight.

[SeeAndAvoid]

Jay,
If you really want to go into IAD, just go IFR, piece of cake. On my big
trip last year we went IFR from TEB-ABE-EVY-DMW-MRB-IAD, almost all in hard
IFR. Potomac Apch was the best facility I worked with on my entire 5k trip,
and they made getting into IAD a breeze.
But, like you, I considered all kinds of alternatives to going into IAD, but
in the end glad we went in there as our hotel was near IAD. Was going to go
VFR into Gaithersburg, then Frederick, then Manassas, then Warrenton.
Warrenton was the closest to IAD but outside the ADIZ. If I remember right,
getting a rental car there was tough, and I dont think the metro went out
that far.
The FBO we used is on the north side of 1L/19R, fairly easy in/out. Got put
on the ILS1L, #1 in front of some airliners, fastest approach I've ever
flown. Rental car place is pretty close to the FBO, they'll come and get
you.
Add an hour (time zone) and thunderstorms into your times.
Later, Chris

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article <WEKge.75952$WI3.8542@attbi_s71>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> Okay -- in your opinion, where's the best place to stop to file the ADIZ
> plan?
>
> Someplace not to much of a hassle to get into (and out of), but with a great
> on-field restaurant?


Ron's suggestion of MGW is good, but if you're considering MGW, FWQ has
a very nice (i.e. much better) restaurant and usually very reasonable
fuel prices. About an hour northwest of IAD.

Don't know what your range is for the airplane or for your bladder, but
there are lots of places to stop for cheap fuel, good food, or both in
WV, eastern OH, or western PA. Probably not going to find mogas, though.


JKG

[Morgans]

"Michelle P" > wrote in message

> I file four to five a night with them, most of the briefers know my
> voice at this point.
> I was in the air over the sky's of DC when all the mess happened
> yesterday. I would have never know if my observer had not told me. The
> controller in my sector seemed un-concerned.
> Michelle

4 or 5 a night? Wow!

Just curious, but what do you do that puts you there that many times?
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay's going to be like seven hours in the air from the time he leaves
> Iowa City until he hits the ADIZ. I wouldn't want to bet on hitting
> the ptime that far out.

??

Destination Direct says 4 hours, 41 minutes, in a no-wind situation. I
expect I'll have a tailwind heading toward the vacuum, er, I mean, heading
toward Washington, D.C. ;-)

With the kids, though, I'll still want to stop for brunch and a potty break
somewhere with a good on-field restaurant.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Jay,

Don't know how I missed this thread. Anyways, email me a couple of
days prior and I'll drive your family around DC Metro and such. I know
my way around the ground here pretty good, and my car has seven seats.
Haven't been in the air for a little while. Flyingmonk at your service
for the day, my treat.

I can meet you at the Museum or Manassas Airport (HEF). I have a nice
condo in Manassas five-ten minutes from the airport that is empty for
the moment. It has two bedrooms and it is a two story unit. The wife
and I bought it to rent out about three months ago, but I've been lazy
and haven't listed it yet. If you are coming early June, I think it
will still be unoccupied. Yours for the weekend, my treat. If the
unit is rented out by then, you and yours are welcome to stay at our
house with us for the weekend or what ever. Our house is 15-20 minutes
from Leesburg airport, (Insert alphabets here). We have an extra car
for your use, if you want to drive yourself.

Give me a holler before your come out.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Ron Natalie]

Morgans wrote:

>
> 4 or 5 a night? Wow!
>
> Just curious, but what do you do that puts you there that many times?

Michelle is flying for the traffic reporting company in the area. She's
actually flying the same plane that Margy learned to fly in (it was sold
by Margy's instructor to the traffic reporting company owner). It was
amusing because I still had a key to it that I gave Michelle (I had
already told the present owner that I still had keys to it, but he's
a pretty cool guy and told me to hold on to 'em).

[Flyingmonk]

I forgot to say that it is great that you are going to be a museum
piece. Most in here are already a .......... I'd better shut up.
Well, looking forward to that day. I went there about two years ago
with my daughter's Kindergarden class. I was one of the Chapparones.
Nice place, but they needed more planes in there, in my homble opinion.

So will you be showing your plane there as well? Who will you be
representing? EAA, AOPA, Dawn Patrol? Maybe I should read the whole
thread first huh? You may have already answered these Qs.

Later,
FM

[Ron Natalie]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> I forgot to say that it is great that you are going to be a museum
> piece. Most in here are already a .......... I'd better shut up.
> Well, looking forward to that day. I went there about two years ago
> with my daughter's Kindergarden class. I was one of the Chapparones.
> Nice place, but they needed more planes in there, in my homble opinion.
>
There are many more now. I got to watch a Lysander being hung. It's
not an easy thing to get some of these things out of storage, get them
prepped up and pretty and haul them around the beltway and get them on
display in the museum. However a whole lot of helicopters and a lot of
smaller aircraft have been moved in since you were there last. I
suspect the space hangar wasn't open the last time you were here either.

[Margy]

John T wrote:
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> m
>
>>Potomac TRACON told Margy they're going to put on extra controllers
>>for her event. Further information to the "invited guests" will no
>>doubt be forthcoming (otherwise they aren't going to let you taxi
>>anywhere near where you want to go).
>
>
> I must have missed the memo. Where can I get the details of this event?
>
http://www.nasm.si.edu/events/eventDetail.cfm?eventID=295

The display is for INVITED AIRCRAFT ONLY, the last thing I want to do is
foul up ATC for the day and make it difficult to plan another event. ATC
is talking about adding a TRACON controller for the "other people who
hear about this and want to park at the FBOs and who fly into HEF and
JYO. I told ATC if I heard about other folks planning on coming in I
would let them know, but I haven't heard of any yet.

There will be about 30 aircraft on the ramp at the Udvar-Hazy center
ranging in type from a pair of Harriers to a Staggerwing (if everything
works out as planned today!). This is the first time planes will taxi
down to the museum and it will be perfect!! (please pray for perfect
weather).

The day includes much more than just the aviation display part an will
be a great event even if the weather doesn't come through for us. There
will be activities for museum visitors inside as well.

Margy
FCPS Aerospace Educator in Residence
Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Potomac TRACON told Margy they're going to put on extra controllers for
>>her event.
>
>
> Holy crikey -- an extra controller for 25 planes?
>
> Guess they're 'spectin' us to really screw up, eh?
>
> :-)
No, they think everyone and their brother will want to come for this
historic day and park up at the FBO.

Margy

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Jay's going to be like seven hours in the air from the time he leaves
>>Iowa City until he hits the ADIZ. I wouldn't want to bet on hitting
>>the ptime that far out.
>
>
> ??
>
> Destination Direct says 4 hours, 41 minutes, in a no-wind situation. I
> expect I'll have a tailwind heading toward the vacuum, er, I mean, heading
> toward Washington, D.C. ;-)
>
> With the kids, though, I'll still want to stop for brunch and a potty break
> somewhere with a good on-field restaurant.
Jay,

What you don't know yet is ATC will also already have your tail number,
name, where you are coming from, expected time of arrival and parking
arrangements. (I'll be sending an email out probably late next week).
I'm waiting to hear back from ATC what else they want. I don't know if
I'll need your mother's maiden name or not. This event is being run
VERY conservatively!!

Margy

[Jay Honeck]

> Don't know how I missed this thread. Anyways, email me a couple of
> days prior and I'll drive your family around DC Metro and such.

<Big Snip>

Wow, Bryan, thanks for the incredibly generous offer!

I don't know all the details yet, as Margy is still working out a few loose
ends. We're planning to arrive the day BEFORE the event, just in case the
weather sucks, and I'm not sure if we'll be able to park at Dulles on that
day, or not. (Or if we'll be able to afford the parking fees!)

At this stage, I'll gladly take you up on the driving and lodging offer, but
it's all going to come down to the plans Margy has for us.

Stay tuned...and thanks a million!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> So will you be showing your plane there as well? Who will you be
> representing? EAA, AOPA, Dawn Patrol?

We will be representing "Family Flying" from the heartland of America, as
best I can tell.

I've even promised Margy that I'll bring the kids, shave, clean up my
language, and not spit on the tarmac!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

That's great Jay. Tell Margy Sue can show her the mall, LOL. Assuming
that Margy loves to shop. The offer's good, just let me know prior and
we'll work out the detail. Manassas is thirty minutes away, Leesburg
is 12-15 min. away from Dulles, these two places are probably 10 times
(gross exaggeration) cheaper, fuel and tie-downs or hangering. Let me
know what you want to know and I'll see if I can get you some answers.

Bryan

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>So will you be showing your plane there as well? Who will you be
>>representing? EAA, AOPA, Dawn Patrol?
>
>
> We will be representing "Family Flying" from the heartland of America, as
> best I can tell.
>
> I've even promised Margy that I'll bring the kids, shave, clean up my
> language, and not spit on the tarmac!
>
> :-)
Ok, I'll jump in here and try to explain my vision for the day. I want
to represent as many aspects of aviation as I can with 30 airplanes. I
hope to have a few "name brand" pilots as well as "just plane folks". I
view Jay and Mary as the pinnacle of "flying family". I think the kids
have been to OSH more years than their ages :-)! As of today some of
the "name brand" pilots you can expect to see are Kevin Kochersberger
(the Wright Flyer Pilot, Cherokee) and Gus McLeod (only person to fly
open cockpit to the North Pole, Firefly prototype). May also have
another biggie in the works. In addition we have a bunch of really neat
planes with just plane folks (like a really pristine Navion if it ever
gets out of the avionics shop), a 170, Varieze, RV-4, a Chipmunk,
Staggerwing, Swift, etc. We should also have a few bigger aircraft like
the State of VA will send the Citation if the Gov. doesn't need it that
day and a privately owned L-39. I think I've got an F-16 and a pair of
Harriers as well as a county helicopter. These are all I can remember
here at home (or feel like listing, I think I've a 172 and such also).

The whole idea of the day is to show museum visitors that ANYONE can
"Become a Pilot". In addition to the planes flying in there will also
be many activities going on inside the museum.

Aside to Jay - shouldn't be a problem landing Dulles early.
Margy

[Jay Beckman]

"Margy" > wrote in message
...

<SNIP>

> The whole idea of the day is to show museum visitors that ANYONE can
> "Become a Pilot". In addition to the planes flying in there will also be
> many activities going on inside the museum.
>
> Aside to Jay - shouldn't be a problem landing Dulles early.
> Margy

This sounds so awesome!

Wish I was within flying/driving distance and not out here in the already
over 100 degree desert southwest.

Good luck with the day and I hope there will be pictures, descriptions and
accounts posted somewhere after the fact.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Matt Whiting]

Margy wrote:

> The whole idea of the day is to show museum visitors that ANYONE can
> "Become a Pilot". In addition to the planes flying in there will also
> be many activities going on inside the museum.
>
> Aside to Jay - shouldn't be a problem landing Dulles early.

So you are saying that if Jay can become a pilot then anyone can? :-)

Matt

[Margy]

Flyingmonk wrote:
> That's great Jay. Tell Margy Sue can show her the mall, LOL. Assuming
> that Margy loves to shop. The offer's good, just let me know prior and
> we'll work out the detail. Manassas is thirty minutes away, Leesburg
> is 12-15 min. away from Dulles, these two places are probably 10 times
> (gross exaggeration) cheaper, fuel and tie-downs or hangering. Let me
> know what you want to know and I'll see if I can get you some answers.
>
> Bryan
>
Well, I hate to shop and when I think "show her the mall" I'm thinking
the museums on THE MALL. I hope Jay, Mary and the kids stay in town for
a bit. We should all go out for dinner and I can probably swing a day
off to do the museum stuff.

Margy

[Margy]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Margy wrote:
>
>> The whole idea of the day is to show museum visitors that ANYONE can
>> "Become a Pilot". In addition to the planes flying in there will also
>> be many activities going on inside the museum.
>>
>> Aside to Jay - shouldn't be a problem landing Dulles early.
>
>
> So you are saying that if Jay can become a pilot then anyone can? :-)
>
> Matt

Gee, I guess so :-), My F-16's budget got cut so he won't be coming, but
maybe I can find another one.

Margy

[Jay Honeck]

*** Snip from Bryan: ***

>> That's great Jay. Tell Margy Sue can show her the mall, LOL. Assuming
>> that Margy loves to shop. The offer's good, just let me know prior and
>> we'll work out the detail. Manassas is thirty minutes away, Leesburg
>> is 12-15 min. away from Dulles, these two places are probably 10 times
>> (gross exaggeration) cheaper, fuel and tie-downs or hangering. Let me
>> know what you want to know and I'll see if I can get you some answers.

Bryan, I think you may have your women mixed up. (I *hate* that when that
happens...;-) "Mary" is my wife. "Margy" is the lady who is organizing the
show at Udvar-Hazy.

You also have to realize that Mary is (God love her!) a pilot, too, and
would probably rather explore the NASM than go to any mall in the world.
But I'll pass the offer along to her! :-)

Also, I think that Margy is working on a deal so that we can park at Dulles
without selling our first-born.

*** Snip from Margy: ***

> Well, I hate to shop and when I think "show her the mall" I'm thinking the
> museums on THE MALL. I hope Jay, Mary and the kids stay in town for a
> bit. We should all go out for dinner and I can probably swing a day off
> to do the museum stuff.

I don't know yet how long we can stay. A lot is going to depend on
staffing at the hotel, and what arrangements we've got for lodging, cars,
etc. Since Bryan has kindly offered us free lodging, it looks like we're
set in that regard -- but other things are very much in flux.

Do you have any info on parking/landing fees yet? If we stay for several
days, are they going to crucify us with gigantic parking fees?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Sorry I got you mixed up with ay's wife. I get my women mixed up all
the time...

Margy wrote, "The whole idea of the day is to show museum visitors that
ANYONE can
"Become a Pilot".:

Even a Monk? ;^)
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/BryanChaisone/MindFlying.jpg


Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Flyingmonk]

Sounds great! Sorry I got you mixed up with Jay's wife, but you too
are welcome to join in.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[Flyingmonk]

All,

My car seats seven and I have access to another one that'll seat seven,
if you want to make the rounds in DC with the whole entourage... ;^).
We can even park close to the White House and Moon Pres. Bush! (If
your're so inclined...) ;^) That'll be something huh? two cars pull
up, fourteen people get out and moon the White House! ;^)

I love the freedom we have in this country. This WILL be protected
under the Freedom of Expression or Speech or something right? Right?
No? Oh, well...

Bryan

[Jay Honeck]

> I love the freedom we have in this country. This WILL be protected
> under the Freedom of Expression or Speech or something right? Right?
> No? Oh, well...

It may be a protected act under the Constitution, but NOTHING will protect
you from my kids going "EEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!"

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Flyingmonk]

Mine will think its funny, unless their friends are around, then
they'll think it's gross. ;^) Ah peer pressure...

[vincent p. norris]

> "Mary" is my wife..... Mary is (God love her!) a pilot, too, and
>would probably rather explore the NASM than go to any mall in the world.

Count your blessings, Jay!

vince norris

[Flyingmonk]

I'll second that!