President Bush's at EAA AirVenture, Friday

[Fitzair4]

President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh
October 14 -- Wisconsin state Republican Party officials have rented a portion
of Wittman Regional Airport, including two EAA AirVenture exhibit hangars, for
President George W. Bush's Oshkosh campaign appearance on Friday, October 15.
Organizers selected the Wittman site because of its location, the size of the
facilities, which include the large EAA exhibit halls, and ample parking space
for an expected crowd numbering in the thousands, as well as security needs
surrounding presidential events. The campaign stop was selected earlier this
week. The President is expected to arrive on the grounds in the late afternoon
and give a speech to gathered supporters at about 5:20 p.m.
As a nonprofit organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the tax code, EAA may
not endorse political candidates, form political action committees or otherwise
participate in political campaigns. Accordingly, EAA underscores the
business-only nature of this rental arrangement. EAA is apprising the state's
Democratic Party that such rental arrangements for event venues are available
on an equal basis.

[Blueskies]

"Fitzair4" > wrote in message ...
>
> President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh
> October 14 -- Wisconsin state Republican Party officials have rented a portion
> of Wittman Regional Airport, including two EAA AirVenture exhibit hangars, for
> President George W. Bush's Oshkosh campaign appearance on Friday, October 15.
> Organizers selected the Wittman site because of its location, the size of the
> facilities, which include the large EAA exhibit halls, and ample parking space
> for an expected crowd numbering in the thousands, as well as security needs
> surrounding presidential events. The campaign stop was selected earlier this
> week. The President is expected to arrive on the grounds in the late afternoon
> and give a speech to gathered supporters at about 5:20 p.m.
> As a nonprofit organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the tax code, EAA may
> not endorse political candidates, form political action committees or otherwise
> participate in political campaigns. Accordingly, EAA underscores the
> business-only nature of this rental arrangement. EAA is apprising the state's
> Democratic Party that such rental arrangements for event venues are available
> on an equal basis.
>
>


Just try to fly in...

[StellaStar]

>>
>> President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh
>> October 14 --

Sho' nuff...

Based on information from press reports, the president is scheduled
to be in the area for an event at 5:20 p.m. local on Friday. AOPA
anticipates that the notam will establish a large temporary flight
restriction (TFR) limiting general aviation flight. Typically, these
presidential travel-related TFRs are 60 nautical miles in diameter
(30-nm radius) and contain one or more smaller general aviation no-fly
zones. AOPA will post the notam on AOPA Online
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html )

[Jim Weir]

(StellaStar)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->>>
->>> President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh
->>> October 14 --
->
->Sho' nuff...
->
->Based on information from press reports, the president is scheduled
->to be in the area for an event at 5:20 p.m. local on Friday. AOPA
->anticipates that the notam will establish a large temporary flight
->restriction (TFR) limiting general aviation flight. Typically, these
->presidential travel-related TFRs are 60 nautical miles in diameter
->(30-nm radius) and contain one or more smaller general aviation no-fly
->zones. AOPA will post the notam on AOPA Online
->( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html )

Could we somehow get to the Kerry campaign and have them rent another facility
on the field for the same day/time and have Kerry ask for a NON TFR (as is his
MO) and see whose TFR will win? That will be a telling dueling TFR and settle
once and for all this stupidity.

Jim



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Jim Weir]

(Fitzair4)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->
-> President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh


That is a dumb stupid subject. Airventure is in July/August, last week. Bush
is in Oshkosh, just like Bush can be in Marysville or Reno without being at the
Golden West Flyin or the Stead Air Races that week.

Jim



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>
>If Karl Rove had had any insight, he would have gotten AF1 to do a low
>pass during Airventure, without GWB on board so it wouln't have
>triggered a TFR. A Quantis 747 did a low pass about 10 years ago, it
>was beautiful.

I was there and it was a wonder to behold. Such a big plane so close to the
ground and going a lot faster then when taking off. I vote for that again .My
kid works for Continential maybe if I call the promo dept they'll do a fly by
for 2005. :-)

See ya

Chuck S

[D. Grunloh]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> In article >, Richard Riley says...
> >
> >If Karl Rove had had any insight, he would have gotten AF1 to do a low
> >pass during Airventure, without GWB on board so it wouln't have
> >triggered a TFR. A Quantis 747 did a low pass about 10 years ago, it
> >was beautiful.
>
> I was there and it was a wonder to behold. Such a big plane so close to the
> ground and going a lot faster then when taking off. I vote for that again .My
> kid works for Continential maybe if I call the promo dept they'll do a fly by
> for 2005. :-)
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S

I saw that too and it was really cool. I'm replying at this point in the thread
before 7 more newgroups were added.

Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
at Piper Cub speeds.

--Dan

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, D. Grunloh says...
>Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
>back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
>aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
>minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
>at Piper Cub speeds.
Hey Dan I saw that one as well maybe we can get EAA to do a Parade of Giantsat
the show next year. The Russian transport a 747, DC-10 B-52 etc.It would be neat
to see them all in the air at once doing passes down the runway. But maybe it's
just wishful thinking :-0

See ya

chuck S

[Bob Chilcoat]

I can just imagine the fuel bill for that one, Chuck.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...

> Hey Dan I saw that one as well maybe we can get EAA to do a Parade of
Giantsat
> the show next year. The Russian transport a 747, DC-10 B-52 etc.It would
be neat
> to see them all in the air at once doing passes down the runway. But maybe
it's
> just wishful thinking :-0
>
> See ya
>
> chuck S
>

[Ron Natalie]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, D. Grunloh says...
>
>>Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
>>back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
>>aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
>>minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
>>at Piper Cub speeds.
>
> Hey Dan I saw that one as well maybe we can get EAA to do a Parade of Giantsat
> the show next year. The Russian transport a 747, DC-10 B-52 etc.It would be neat
> to see them all in the air at once doing passes down the runway. But maybe it's
> just wishful thinking :-0

Hey, W made a low pass over the Wright Bros. centennial in AF-1. It was
kind of cool...I'd never had expected that the powers that be would have
ever allowed that, but Bush made his speech and departed in the helicopter
and a while later a B-2 made a low pass (and I'm just about recovered from
that) when AF-1 does the same thing.

[D. Grunloh]

Ron Natalie wrote:

> ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> > In article >, D. Grunloh says...
> >
> >>Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
> >>back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
> >>aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
> >>minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
> >>at Piper Cub speeds.
> >
> > Hey Dan I saw that one as well maybe we can get EAA to do a Parade of Giantsat
> > the show next year. The Russian transport a 747, DC-10 B-52 etc.It would be neat
> > to see them all in the air at once doing passes down the runway. But maybe it's
> > just wishful thinking :-0
>
> Hey, W made a low pass over the Wright Bros. centennial in AF-1. It was
> kind of cool...I'd never had expected that the powers that be would have
> ever allowed that, but Bush made his speech and departed in the helicopter
> and a while later a B-2 made a low pass (and I'm just about recovered from
> that) when AF-1 does the same thing.

Every pilot loves to buzz.

Hey,.. we're flying, and they are not.

--Dan

[Blueskies]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:08:55 GMT, "Blueskies" > wrote:
>
> :
> :"Fitzair4" > wrote in message ...
> :>
> :> President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh
> :> October 14 -- Wisconsin state Republican Party officials have rented a portion
> :> of Wittman Regional Airport, including two EAA AirVenture exhibit hangars, for
> :> President George W. Bush's Oshkosh campaign appearance on Friday, October 15.
> :> Organizers selected the Wittman site because of its location, the size of the
> :> facilities, which include the large EAA exhibit halls, and ample parking space
> :> for an expected crowd numbering in the thousands, as well as security needs
> :> surrounding presidential events. The campaign stop was selected earlier this
> :> week. The President is expected to arrive on the grounds in the late afternoon
> :> and give a speech to gathered supporters at about 5:20 p.m.
> :> As a nonprofit organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the tax code, EAA may
> :> not endorse political candidates, form political action committees or otherwise
> :> participate in political campaigns. Accordingly, EAA underscores the
> :> business-only nature of this rental arrangement. EAA is apprising the state's
> :> Democratic Party that such rental arrangements for event venues are available
> :> on an equal basis.
> :>
> :>
> :
> :
> :Just try to fly in...
>
> If Karl Rove had had any insight, he would have gotten AF1 to do a low
> pass during Airventure, without GWB on board so it wouln't have
> triggered a TFR. A Quantis 747 did a low pass about 10 years ago, it
> was beautiful.
>

Don't want to spend my tax dollars on that...

The Qantas flyby is fine...

[Blueskies]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
> ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> In article >, D. Grunloh says...
>>
>>>Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
>>>back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
>>>aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
>>>minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
>>>at Piper Cub speeds.
>>
>> Hey Dan I saw that one as well maybe we can get EAA to do a Parade of Giantsat
>> the show next year. The Russian transport a 747, DC-10 B-52 etc.It would be neat
>> to see them all in the air at once doing passes down the runway. But maybe it's
>> just wishful thinking :-0
>
> Hey, W made a low pass over the Wright Bros. centennial in AF-1. It was
> kind of cool...I'd never had expected that the powers that be would have
> ever allowed that, but Bush made his speech and departed in the helicopter
> and a while later a B-2 made a low pass (and I'm just about recovered from
> that) when AF-1 does the same thing.


Yup, the NoFly zone does not apply to the military hardware...

[Morgans]

"D. Grunloh" > wrote

>
> Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
> back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
> aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
> minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
> at Piper Cub speeds.
>
> --Dan

How did the speed compare to the C-5 that was there this year? It didn't
look right, to me. Something that big should NOT be able to fly, at least
that slowly! <g>
--
Jim in NC


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[C.D.Damron]

When Bush's C-5 baggage mover flew into Lexington, I was surprised at the
combination of high bank angle and slow speed. I'm sure that the size of
the aircraft has an effect on the visual, but I looked up and just thought
is was going to fall out of the sky.

[Morgans]

"C.D.Damron" > wrote in message
news:J9%bd.478063$8_6.472858@attbi_s04...
> When Bush's C-5 baggage mover flew into Lexington, I was surprised at the
> combination of high bank angle and slow speed. I'm sure that the size of
> the aircraft has an effect on the visual, but I looked up and just thought
> is was going to fall out of the sky.

Agreed. It flew a very nice demonstration at OSH, and I was impressed by
the same thing. Also, it is one thing to be next to it on display, but it
changes your impression of size, when you are almost beside it, engine
running. On the taxiway, when a Ford Tri-motor taxies past it under the
C-5's wing, it also gives you another big idea of the huge proportions. The
Tri motor is not small, either!
--
Jim in NC


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[Dave S]

Bush Jr's TFR would trump Kerry's non-tfr until after Kerry takes the
oath of office in early January.

<smirk>
Dave

Jim Weir wrote:

> (StellaStar)
> shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
>
> ->>>
> ->>> President Bush to Speak at Oshkosh
> ->>> October 14 --
> ->
> ->Sho' nuff...
> ->
> ->Based on information from press reports, the president is scheduled
> ->to be in the area for an event at 5:20 p.m. local on Friday. AOPA
> ->anticipates that the notam will establish a large temporary flight
> ->restriction (TFR) limiting general aviation flight. Typically, these
> ->presidential travel-related TFRs are 60 nautical miles in diameter
> ->(30-nm radius) and contain one or more smaller general aviation no-fly
> ->zones. AOPA will post the notam on AOPA Online
> ->( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html )
>
> Could we somehow get to the Kerry campaign and have them rent another facility
> on the field for the same day/time and have Kerry ask for a NON TFR (as is his
> MO) and see whose TFR will win? That will be a telling dueling TFR and settle
> once and for all this stupidity.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
> VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
> http://www.rst-engr.com

[Bob]

"Dave S" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Bush Jr's TFR would trump Kerry's non-tfr until after Kerry takes the oath
> of office in early January.

I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so
I'll
know how to vote come November. Right now, we have one guy saying one thing.
Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe. Let me see; have I
got
this straight?
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists-
good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
Ahh, it's so confusing!
Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
burden
on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is the day
after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government. This year,
tax
freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been since 1991.
It's
latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special
about those dates?
Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
actually
paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no explanation
and
provided no data for this claim.
Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all
worth
several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn
brought
over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).
Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound
right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way
to
avoid paying his own.

[D. Grunloh]

Morgans wrote:

> "D. Grunloh" > wrote
>
> >
> > Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some years
> > back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it some
> > aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
> > minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
> > at Piper Cub speeds.
> >
> > --Dan
>
> How did the speed compare to the C-5 that was there this year? It didn't
> look right, to me. Something that big should NOT be able to fly, at least
> that slowly! <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

Absolutely. The visual effect is mind blowing. The giant soviet transport
was actually a little slower. It was designed specifically for short field
operation
and for rough fields. It had huge flaps and slots. Also lots and lots of
tires.
A huge plane deliberately designed to be slightly larger than our's.

--Dan



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[JDupre5762]

> Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men.
>Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all
>worth
>several million dollars. (

Actually Kerry's second wife's first husband's trust fund owns all the "Kerry"
homes. Kerry does have part interest in a family owned island though.

John Dupre'

[Blueskies]

"JDupre5762" > wrote in message ...
>> Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men.
>>Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all
>>worth
>>several million dollars. (
>
> Actually Kerry's second wife's first husband's trust fund owns all the "Kerry"
> homes. Kerry does have part interest in a family owned island though.
>
> John Dupre'

Like they all said...they married up.

[John Theune]

"D. Grunloh" > wrote in
:

>
> Morgans wrote:
>
>> "D. Grunloh" > wrote
>>
>> >
>> > Did you also see that huge Russian transport that came in some
>> > years back just before the fall of the the USSR? They brought it
>> > some aerobatic planes and did a demo with apparently no load and
>> > minumum fuel. It looked like a football field flying around
>> > at Piper Cub speeds.
>> >
>> > --Dan
>>
>> How did the speed compare to the C-5 that was there this year? It
>> didn't look right, to me. Something that big should NOT be able to
>> fly, at least that slowly! <g>
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>
> Absolutely. The visual effect is mind blowing. The giant soviet
> transport was actually a little slower. It was designed specifically
> for short field operation
> and for rough fields. It had huge flaps and slots. Also lots and
> lots of tires.
> A huge plane deliberately designed to be slightly larger than our's.
>
> --Dan
>
>
>
>>
>>
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San Diego tried to put together a airshow/tradeshow to rival some of the
European shows back in the 80's and I attended and got to walk around the
AN-225 ( I think that was the designation) To say it was large was a
understatement. They also had the Concorde doing flights to nowhere for
1000.00. Halfway to Hiwaii and back in 1 hour. I had a buddy who went
and I envied him for the disposable cash :)