Re: vision aircraft

[Philippe]

karel wrote:

> seeing the set of plans available on e-bay,
> i took a look on this aircraft
> and it looks like a possible alternative for the Europa.
>
> of course, some questions arise:
>
> -) are any flying in Europe?
Pas encore, mais il y a plusieurs personnes qui pensent à cet avion

> -) the design centers around the Subaru engine.
> I should prefer the Rotax 100HP, how does this compare to the subaru?
> Weight? Price?
Subaru: plus lourd, moins cher, moins complexe. Plus puissant.
Assez facile à trouver en Belgique.


> -) how does the Vision compare to the Europa?
Plus de place pour les occupants, plus de charge possible, moteurs jusqu'à
200Cv (IO360)

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[Morgans]

"Philippe" > wrote

A bunch of stuff in french

Since this newsgroup is obviously in English, even though it is
international, why don't you have the courtesy of posting in English. You
obviously read English, so please respond in the same language.
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[alexy]

"karel" > wrote:

>
>"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Philippe" > wrote
>>
>> A bunch of stuff in french
>>
>> Since this newsgroup is obviously in English, even though it is
>> international, why don't you have the courtesy of posting in English. You
>> obviously read English, so please respond in the same language.
>
>just because most people here are from the US, it doesn't give them a
>monopoly.
>if people from other languages are going out of their way all the while
>to read & write english, why do you need to get upset over one single
>message in French?
>
>it is not because europeans generally have better education,
>especially on the subject in languages, that you should call
>it a discourtesy not to make use of that.

I agree that use of a language other than English is not a
discourtesy. I'm sure the poster recognized that his readership would
be dramatically reduced because of his use of French, but that is his
decision to make.

How does one spell "monolingual"?

A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N

--
An American who has to admit to being monolingual despite having taken
French and German in college.

[Barnyard BOb -]

>"Philippe" wrote:
>
>A bunch of stuff in french
>
>Since this newsgroup is obviously in English, even though it is
>international, why don't you have the courtesy of posting in English. You
>obviously read English, so please respond in the same language.
>--
>Jim in NC
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Philippe...
How do I write KILLJOY to Bubba Jim in francais?

You say....

Killjoy is Killjoy in every land and language?

Killjoy = One who spoils the enthusiasm or fun of others.

Jimbo....
Vérifiez l'orthographe avant de soumettre une traduction.
(Check spelling before submitting a translation)


Barnyard BOb --

[Morgans]

"alexy" > wrote in message
...
> "karel" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> "Philippe" > wrote
> >>
> >> A bunch of stuff in french
> >>
> >> Since this newsgroup is obviously in English, even though it is
> >> international, why don't you have the courtesy of posting in English.
You
> >> obviously read English, so please respond in the same language.
> >
> >just because most people here are from the US, it doesn't give them a
> >monopoly.
> >if people from other languages are going out of their way all the while
> >to read & write english, why do you need to get upset over one single
> >message in French?
> >
> >it is not because europeans generally have better education,
> >especially on the subject in languages, that you should call
> >it a discourtesy not to make use of that.
>
> I agree that use of a language other than English is not a
> discourtesy. I'm sure the poster recognized that his readership would
> be dramatically reduced because of his use of French, but that is his
> decision to make.
>
> How does one spell "monolingual"?
>
> A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N

Yes, I do admit to the fact that Americans are not good about learning other
languages. When I travel abroad, I always try to learn a few phrases, to
make the people I am trying to communicate with feel like I have at least
made an effort, and that usually makes people appreciative.

How many languages would you have me learn? Until French becomes the
world's unofficial universal language, I will continue not to become fluent
in it. Why is English spoken as the official language of air traffic
control? Why do most of the Scandinavian countries speak English as a
universal language between all of the small countries and dialects?

Sorry if I stepped on any toes, but you all will have to admit that English
is the most universal language of the developed world, and if that makes me
an ugly American for saying it, so be it. Your problem, not mine, for
speaking the truth.
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[Morgans]

"Barnyard BOb -" > wrote >
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Philippe...
> How do I write KILLJOY to Bubba Jim in francais?
>
> You say....
>
> Killjoy is Killjoy in every land and language?
>
> Killjoy = One who spoils the enthusiasm or fun of others.
>
> Jimbo....
> Vérifiez l'orthographe avant de soumettre une traduction.
> (Check spelling before submitting a translation)
>
>
> Barnyard BOb --
>

One of your more creative attempts, BOb.

By the way, is that something like humor? ;-)
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[alexy]

"Morgans" > wrote:

>
>"alexy" > wrote in message
...
>> "karel" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Morgans" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> "Philippe" > wrote
>> >>
>> >> A bunch of stuff in french
>> >>
>> >> Since this newsgroup is obviously in English, even though it is
>> >> international, why don't you have the courtesy of posting in English.
>You
>> >> obviously read English, so please respond in the same language.
>> >
>> >just because most people here are from the US, it doesn't give them a
>> >monopoly.
>> >if people from other languages are going out of their way all the while
>> >to read & write english, why do you need to get upset over one single
>> >message in French?
>> >
>> >it is not because europeans generally have better education,
>> >especially on the subject in languages, that you should call
>> >it a discourtesy not to make use of that.
>>
>> I agree that use of a language other than English is not a
>> discourtesy. I'm sure the poster recognized that his readership would
>> be dramatically reduced because of his use of French, but that is his
>> decision to make.
>>
>> How does one spell "monolingual"?
>>
>> A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N
>
>Yes, I do admit to the fact that Americans are not good about learning other
>languages. When I travel abroad, I always try to learn a few phrases, to
>make the people I am trying to communicate with feel like I have at least
>made an effort, and that usually makes people appreciative.

Yep. My feeble attempts at French while in Paris led to appreciation
for my efforts, and a quick decision by Parisians(sp) that it is far
less painful for them to speak English than to put up with my
well-intentioned butchering of their language!
>
>How many languages would you have me learn?
I don't care.

> Until French becomes the
>world's unofficial universal language, I will continue not to become fluent
>in it. Why is English spoken as the official language of air traffic
>control? Why do most of the Scandinavian countries speak English as a
>universal language between all of the small countries and dialects?
Um, could it be because it is the best-known language in those parts,
and that Anglo/Canadian/Aussie/American commerce is a very large part
of the world economy?

>Sorry if I stepped on any toes, but you all will have to admit that English
>is the most universal language of the developed world, and if that makes me
>an ugly American for saying it, so be it. Your problem, not mine, for
>speaking the truth.
I haven't seen anyone dispute these points, or complain about your
making them. I think the [very minor] "beef" was with your
characterizing as "rude" the poster's writing in his own language. I'm
sure that since the question he was responding to was from someone in
Belgium, and was Erope-specific, he felt that use of French would not
cut back too much on the readership of his note.
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Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

[Dave Hyde]

Barnyard BOb wrote...

> Barnyard BOb --

Don't you mean 'Robert de la ferme'

Dave 'my hovercraft is full of eels' Hyde

[Dave Hyde]

Morgans wrote...

> Until French becomes the world's unofficial universal language,
> I will continue not to become fluent in it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So going are you in English to discontinue to not become fluent in
it? <g>

Dave 'bite the wax tadpole' Hyde

[Morgans]

"alexy" > wrote > I haven't seen anyone dispute these
points, or complain about your
> making them. I think the [very minor] "beef" was with your
> characterizing as "rude" the poster's writing in his own language. I'm
> sure that since the question he was responding to was from someone in
> Belgium, and was Erope-specific, he felt that use of French would not
> cut back too much on the readership of his note.
> --
> Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked
infrequently.

Hmm. I didn't see any evidence that the question (or answer) was intended
for a French only person. I did jump, perhaps wrongly, but how is one to
know what was going on? I shouldn't have cared, but sometimes I get cranky,
like other "old farts" around here. No names. (B.U.) <g>
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[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:32:01 GMT, "Dave Hyde" > wrote:

>Barnyard BOb wrote...
>
>> Barnyard BOb --
>
>Don't you mean 'Robert de la ferme'
>
>Dave 'my hovercraft is full of eels' Hyde

I was thinking more along the lines of 'Robert de la merde de chevaux.'

Ron "I will not buy this record, it is scratched" Wanttaja

[Morgans]

"Dave Hyde" > wrote in message
...
> Morgans wrote...
>
> > Until French becomes the world's unofficial universal language,
> > I will continue not to become fluent in it.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> So going are you in English to discontinue to not become fluent in
> it? <g>
>
> Dave 'bite the wax tadpole' Hyde

Mmmm. I'm going to continue not giving a **** about speaking French? ;-)
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[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:13:38 -0400, "Morgans" >
wrote:

>How many languages would you have me learn? Until French becomes the
>world's unofficial universal language, I will continue not to become fluent
>in it. Why is English spoken as the official language of air traffic
>control? Why do most of the Scandinavian countries speak English as a
>universal language between all of the small countries and dialects?

Actually, 200 or so years ago, French *was* the world's unofficial
universal language. It was the language of diplomacy. It was so highly
thought of that the Russian imperial court did all its business in French.

It is odd that aviation uses English, when it started out French (aileron,
hangar, fuselage, etc.). I'd attribute it to WWII. Aviation exploded
through the world back, then, and since France was occupied, the majority
of the air transportation infrastructure was established by the US and
Great Britain. It took a few years for the French aviation industry to get
back on its feet, and by that time, the world's airlines were mostly flying
US-manufactured aircraft. The largest exception, of course, was the Soviet
Union, which kept much of its own system in place.

Ron Wanttaja

[Dave Hyde]

Ron Wanttaja wrote...

> Ron "I will not buy this record, it is scratched" Wanttaja

And with that we'll turn over all the cards. I concede
to Ron because anything else I say is likely to be
misconstrued :-)

Dave '...Sir William, I cannot wait til lunchtime' Hyde

[Russell Kent]

Morgans wrote...
> Until French becomes the world's unofficial universal language,
> I will continue not to become fluent in it.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Dave Hyde" > responded:
> So going are you in English to discontinue to not become fluent in
> it? <g>

You split an infinitive there, Dave. :-)

Russell Kent

[Barnyard BOb -]

>> I shouldn't have cared, but sometimes I get
>cranky,
>> like other "old farts" around here. No names. (B.U.) <g>
>
>that's a point I can well live with
>incident closed, then!
>
>KA
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Incident closed? <g>
Not so fast, KA....

I'm off to find more salt to pour in Morgan's wound.


Barnyard BOb -- gen-u-wine old fart

[Barnyard BOb -]

>The French should just remember that they were on the wrong side in WW2, and
>stop being so full of themselves.
>
>Bashir Salamati
>Proud American since 1995
++++++++++++++++++++++++

BULLSEYE.

P.S.
I'm a cranky old fart, but....
you have my respect.
I'll never 'bash yer salami'. <g>


Barnyard BOb -

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Bashir Salamati says...

>>
>>"Dave Hyde" > responded:
>>> So going are you in English to discontinue to not become fluent in
>>> it? <g>
>>
>>You split an infinitive there, Dave. :-)
>
>At least he didn't end it with a proposition :^
>
>Bashir
>"Up with which I will not put..."

I always liked it when Sister Mary Holy Smoke mentioned dangling participles
in English class. Always sounded like something she was embarrassed about.

Chuck (to supper ,I am going ) S

[Greg Reid]

There was a nice Vision discussion going until this loooong digression
into language. If anyone cares to get it back on track...

FYI, my 4-place Vision project is at
http://www.DivorceMagazine.com/Vision132 , and its construction
progress is pretty much in a tie with Scott VanderVeen's 4-place
Vision at http://www.arrow4graphics.com/Vision/index.htm (he's done
more on his cabin and FWF; I've done more on my wings).

(Tony A's 4-place project was mentioned earlier. He was indeed the
first 4-place builder, starting some years before me -- and his
beautiful project was the inspiration I needed to start mine. But
Tony made some moves and apparently hasn't had the time to do much
more work on his project. It's still in the unroofed fuselage stage.
Scott has pics of it on his site.)

My project is in Daytona Beach because that's where Steve Rahm (Vision
designer) lives. I've been working closely with Steve; the
construction started off in a corner of his hangar at Spruce Creek.
He's provided a great deal of excellent design advice over the 2.5
years (so far) of part-time construction. There's nothing "radical"
about the plane's design, so I'm fairly comfortable that it will fly
well.

Mine is all carbon-fiber and kevlar (except the glass tail to allow
for the antenna inside) and I carefully monitor every ounce that goes
into it. The fuselage was built vacuum-bagged and fold-a-plane method
(description on my site) which saved significant weight. It currently
weighs in at 630 pounds as you see it in the latest pictures on my
site. I've purchased the Jabiru 5100 (180HP 8 cylinder jewel) which
will add 260 pounds. With "all the other stuff" completed and
installed, I hope to keep its ramp weight at 1100-ish pounds, with an
all-glass full IFR panel (BMA). If I can hit that target weight-ish,
it should perform very nicely with a light fixed-pitch cruise prop.
Its wet wings will hold approx 80 gallons, plus a 12-gallon aux tank
in the tailcone, so I'll be able to fly loooong distances (I just hate
coming down). :-)

Greg Reid, Vision #132

[Bruce]

Bashir Salamati wrote:
> In article >, alexy says...
>
>
>>How does one spell "monolingual"?
>>
>>A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N
>>
>
>
> I speak Arabic, Farsi, and English. I can get by in German, Dutch, and Hindi.
> I struggle with Spanish and Japanese, and speak just enough Russian to order
> food and find the bathroom.
>
> I've traveled all over the world, including China, Japan, many countries in
> sub-Saharan Africa and Brazil. The only place I ever had trouble with language
> was France, especially Paris. They were looking for an excuse to not talk to
> me.
>
> When there's another country, speaking another language, 50 miles away from you,
> it's reasonable to learn it. In Europe you can't drive more than a few hours in
> any direction without needing another language. In America, you can drive for
> days and still be in the same state. Americans don't learn another language
> because they don't need to. Honestly, if most Americans become fluent in German
> or French they forget the vocabulary because they never have a chance to
> practice. There's no reason they should, other than as a curiosity.
>
> The French should just remember that they were on the wrong side in WW2, and
> stop being so full of themselves.
>
> Bashir Salamati
> Proud American since 1995
>
Actually - they just call it English. Like in our part of the world where there
are 11 official languages in one country and the default one is English. Anyone
who claims that Kentucky is English is mildly delusional.
Unfortunately you need a LOT of experience to decipher our versions... A little
like the difference between Cockney and Manchester. The English certainly don't
speak English that uniformly either

As for Paris, my experience is to try French, when that fails because the
Parisian objects to your massacre of their rather beautiful language, revert to
Afrikaans. 30 seconds later the average Frenchman is prepared to attempt English.