Covid Vaccine And Glider Events ?

[[email protected]]

As the distribution of the vaccine begins what will be the impact on the soaring community and events such as contest and club activity. I for one will be very happy to get the vaccine, I will roll the dice and look at the benefits vs the uncertainty. Would you be more prone to attend an event knowing those attending were vaccinated? Should events require that participants require vaccinations prior to participation? Bob

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 12/14/2020 3:01 PM:
> As the distribution of the vaccine begins what will be the impact on the soaring community and events such as contest and club activity. I for one will be very happy to get the vaccine, I will roll the dice and look at the benefits vs the uncertainty. Would you be more prone to attend an event knowing those attending were vaccinated? Should events require that participants require vaccinations prior to participation? Bob
>
I think we should wait until March before trying to make any decisions, as we have little idea
right now of how successful we will be at reducing the spread of the disease. We'll know a lot
more about the risk of attending events by then.

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[Dan Marotta]

On 12/14/20 4:01 PM, wrote:
> As the distribution of the vaccine begins what will be the impact on the soaring community and events such as contest and club activity. I for one will be very happy to get the vaccine, I will roll the dice and look at the benefits vs the uncertainty. Would you be more prone to attend an event knowing those attending were vaccinated? Should events require that participants require vaccinations prior to participation? Bob
>
The FAA recently stated that pilots and controllers can take the
vaccine. The only restriction is to self ground for 48 hours after
receiving the shot. The FAA is hard to convince so I would take that as
a good sign.

--
Dan
5J

[2G]

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 3:01:27 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> As the distribution of the vaccine begins what will be the impact on the soaring community and events such as contest and club activity. I for one will be very happy to get the vaccine, I will roll the dice and look at the benefits vs the uncertainty. Would you be more prone to attend an event knowing those attending were vaccinated? Should events require that participants require vaccinations prior to participation? Bob

Much of this is out of our control and will be decided by individual state governors. My experience with our governor, Inslee, is that they can be very capricious and make decisions on a whim. In any case, "herd" immunity levels probably won't be reached by the time contest season starts, and may not be reached until after the end of the soaring season. You will probably have less trouble in Florida.

Tom

[George Haeh]

We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.

The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.

Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.

Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

[[email protected]]

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
>
> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
>
> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
>
> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.

Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob

[Dan Marotta]

On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
>>
>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
>>
>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
>>
>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
>
> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
>
Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
against passing it on to others should we pick it up.

Clear as mud?

--
Dan
5J

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> > On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> >>
> >> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> >>
> >> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> >>
> >> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> >
> > Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> > Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> >
> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
>
> Clear as mud?
>
> --
> Dan
> 5J
Only if you don't get it too, right ?

[Dan Marotta]

On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
>>>>
>>>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
>>>>
>>>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
>>>>
>>>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
>>>
>>> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
>>> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
>>>
>> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
>> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
>> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
>> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
>>
>> Clear as mud?
>>
>> --
>> Dan
>> 5J
> Only if you don't get it too, right ?
>

I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.

Now if this damned snow would just go away...

--
Dan
5J

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:38:36 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> >>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> >>>>
> >>>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> >>>>
> >>>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> >>>>
> >>>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> >>>
> >>> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> >>> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> >>>
> >> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> >> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> >> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> >> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
> >>
> >> Clear as mud?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dan
> >> 5J
> > Only if you don't get it too, right ?
> >
> I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
> likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
> becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
> aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.
>
> Now if this damned snow would just go away...
>
> --
> Dan
> 5J

Dan, there you go again, talking that motorglider language. 83 degrees and beautiful here, just finished mowing my runway. Time now for a rum and coke and practice my social distancing on the outside patio. Soon as I get the new engine in the Pawnee, which should be this weekend, we will be in the air again with our non motor gliders. Bob

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:50:51 AM UTC+10, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> > On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> >>
> >> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> >>
> >> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> >>
> >> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> >
> > Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> > Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> >
> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
>
> Clear as mud?
>
> --
> Dan
> 5J

What we know today is that the vaccine will dramatically reduce the chances of you getting seriously sick if you are exposed to the virus. We do not yet know if or how much the vaccine will stop you getting the virus and passing it on, even though you don't get sick. This will become clear with more data. Hopefully the answer will turn out to be yes it stops transmission as well as the disease, but even if it doesn't it will stop people dying and is a great step forward.

[2G]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> >>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> >>>>
> >>>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> >>>>
> >>>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> >>>>
> >>>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> >>>
> >>> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> >>> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> >>>
> >> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> >> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> >> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> >> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
> >>
> >> Clear as mud?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dan
> >> 5J
> > Only if you don't get it too, right ?
> >
> I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
> likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
> becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
> aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.
>
> Now if this damned snow would just go away...
>
> --
> Dan
> 5J

The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.

Tom

[2G]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:50:46 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > >> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > >>>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> > >>> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> > >>>
> > >> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> > >> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> > >> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> > >> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
> > >>
> > >> Clear as mud?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Dan
> > >> 5J
> > > Only if you don't get it too, right ?
> > >
> > I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
> > likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
> > becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
> > aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.
> >
> > Now if this damned snow would just go away...
> >
> > --
> > Dan
> > 5J
> The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
> 1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
> 2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
> NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.
>
> Tom

Here is an article that explains what "efficacy" means in laymen's (layperson's?) terms:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/learning/what-does-95-effective-mean-teaching-the-math-of-vaccine-efficacy.html
Note that very few people in the placebo group got infected (0.74%) and an even smaller number in the group that got the vaccine. This begs the question of how representative both groups are of the US population as a whole. It wouldn't take a big change in the infected numbers to have a big effect on the efficacy rate. We will know more as they track people who are now getting the vaccine.

Tom

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:02:11 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:50:46 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > >> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > >>>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission..
> > > >>> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> > > >>>
> > > >> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> > > >> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> > > >> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> > > >> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
> > > >>
> > > >> Clear as mud?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Dan
> > > >> 5J
> > > > Only if you don't get it too, right ?
> > > >
> > > I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
> > > likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
> > > becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
> > > aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.
> > >
> > > Now if this damned snow would just go away...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dan
> > > 5J
> > The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
> > 1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
> > 2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
> > NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.
> >
> > Tom
> Here is an article that explains what "efficacy" means in laymen's (layperson's?) terms:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/learning/what-does-95-effective-mean-teaching-the-math-of-vaccine-efficacy.html
> Note that very few people in the placebo group got infected (0.74%) and an even smaller number in the group that got the vaccine. This begs the question of how representative both groups are of the US population as a whole. It wouldn't take a big change in the infected numbers to have a big effect on the efficacy rate. We will know more as they track people who are now getting the vaccine.
>
> Tom
Well explained Tom, now wait 3 years and turn on the TV and see some lawyer telling you that you are entitled to compensation if you took the COVID vaccine. You can call Morgan and Morgan for a free consultation, or hope in your glider and head west. So, the placebo is as effective as the vaccine? Glad I am towing gliders and staying 200 feet away from the potential virus.. Bob

[2G]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:02:11 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:50:46 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > On 12/15/20 11:51 AM, wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > >> On 12/15/20 5:23 AM, wrote:
> > > > >>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > > >>>> We had two soaring camps at Cowley Alberta in early August and October with about 30 attendees each. With ten days each camp, we had 600 person days of exposure.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> The principal precaution was maintaining 2m distance between individuals. Masks were worn in two seaters and shared oxygen masks and cannulas were sanitized.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Being out in the breeze tilted the odds in our favor.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Result: NO Covid19 cases reported in the participants.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Our club held the annual meeting last Saturday, we also practiced social distancing and mask, no problems are expected. I did read the report from the CDC about transmission venues, very interesting. Social gatherings and family transmission were the two highest areas of known transmission.
> > > > >>> Maybe there should be some type of vaccination card that confirms one vaccination status for such required events, oh, that will never work, we cannot even get voter registration cards in this country. Stay safe, enjoy your sailplane activity and come on down to Vero Beach for a great winter and spring flying season. Installing a new engine in the Towpecker, should be flying next week. Bob
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> Well, if I understand correctly, the vaccine will protect ME from
> > > > >> getting the virus from YOU. It won't protect YOU against ME passing it
> > > > >> on to YOU. So it would appear that we'll still have to take precautions
> > > > >> against passing it on to others should we pick it up.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Clear as mud?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Dan
> > > > >> 5J
> > > > > Only if you don't get it too, right ?
> > > > >
> > > > I guess. Assuming the vaccine works for me and I pick up the virus, I
> > > > likely won't get sick but will still be carrying the virus until it
> > > > becomes ineffective. Fortunately I live in the country and all my
> > > > aircraft have engines so I can fly whenever I want without help from others.
> > > >
> > > > Now if this damned snow would just go away...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dan
> > > > 5J
> > > The vaccine triggers your body into producing antibodies that will target the COVID virus. Thus you shouldn't be contagious IF:
> > > 1. You are 10 or more days after the first injection (50% efficacy).
> > > 2. You are 10 or more days after the second injection (95% efficacy).
> > > NOTHING is 100% effective, so there will always be a chance you are infected. The 95% rate is about as good as it gets for a vaccine.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > Here is an article that explains what "efficacy" means in laymen's (layperson's?) terms:
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/learning/what-does-95-effective-mean-teaching-the-math-of-vaccine-efficacy.html
> > Note that very few people in the placebo group got infected (0.74%) and an even smaller number in the group that got the vaccine. This begs the question of how representative both groups are of the US population as a whole. It wouldn't take a big change in the infected numbers to have a big effect on the efficacy rate. We will know more as they track people who are now getting the vaccine.
> >
> > Tom
> Well explained Tom, now wait 3 years and turn on the TV and see some lawyer telling you that you are entitled to compensation if you took the COVID vaccine. You can call Morgan and Morgan for a free consultation, or hope in your glider and head west. So, the placebo is as effective as the vaccine? Glad I am towing gliders and staying 200 feet away from the potential virus. Bob

And I just read this in the Wall Street Journal:

Moderna’s analysis, posted by the FDA, also included new data suggesting that the first dose of its vaccine can reduce infections that don’t cause symptoms. If this finding holds up in further analysis—including after the second of the two-dose regimen—it could mean that the vaccine not only protects individuals from disease, but also curbs transmission of the virus from person to person.
A vaccine that prevents asymptomatic infections and curbs viral transmission could hasten the end of the coronavirus pandemic, if enough people get vaccinated.

Also, if you want all of the gory details, read this:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

Tom