Why couldn't it have been Mayor Daley??

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With all the reports now coming out about how close that Cessna came to
getting smoked over Washington, it got me thinking. When the governor
of Kentucky flew into D.C. in his King Air with a dead transponder, it
caused all kinds of panic. Then the Cessna incident happened. If
something like that occurred again, what are the chances that the next
aircraft would be fired upon? Even if the laser warning device had been
operating I doubt the guy in the 152 would have known what it meant
anyhow. (If you're oblivious to an F-16 escort firing flares in front
of you, maybe you don't belong in the air near the Capitol?)

I read on AOPA's site that Chicago's Mayor Daley is whining about his
city not having any Air Force fighter cover - as if Chicago really
needs its own ADIZ... Funny how a guy that has proved himself anti-GA
could be so interested in aviation now. Maybe if he hadn't torn up
Meigs Field some military aircraft could be based there, even if it was
just a few helos.

Ultimate irony all pilots wish for: Daley gets smoked by CAP over his
own city by a fighter jock with an itchy trigger finger.

<quasi-political rant mode off>

[Steve Foley]

He's hoping for the GA aircraft to get shot down. I don't think he would
hesitate to make that call on ANY aircraft that violated Chicago's bravo. We
already know he makes up his own rules as he goes along.


> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Funny how a guy that has proved himself anti-GA
> could be so interested in aviation now.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:UKmie.567$yc.297@trnddc09...
> He's hoping for the GA aircraft to get shot down. I don't think he would
> hesitate to make that call on ANY aircraft that violated Chicago's bravo.
> We
> already know he makes up his own rules as he goes along.
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Funny how a guy that has proved himself anti-GA
>> could be so interested in aviation now.
>
>

Luckily, even if they put a an ADIZ over Chicago and based fighters there
Daily wouldn't be the guy giving the order for the fighters to shoot.

[Gary Drescher]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:UKmie.567$yc.297@trnddc09...
> He's hoping for the GA aircraft to get shot down. I don't think he would
> hesitate to make that call on ANY aircraft that violated Chicago's bravo.

Ironically, you can fly into the Sears Tower without busting the Class B; in
fact, now that Meigs is gone, you can do it without even being required to
have a radio.

--Gary

[Icebound]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> With all the reports now coming out about how close that Cessna came to
> getting smoked over Washington, it got me thinking. When the governor
> of Kentucky flew into D.C. in his King Air with a dead transponder, it
> caused all kinds of panic. Then the Cessna incident happened. If
> something like that occurred again, what are the chances that the next
> aircraft would be fired upon?

The more often these occur without anybody seriously hurt, the less likely
there will be a shoot-down because the previous experiences will suggest
"low danger probability". ... and also the more likely that the media will
go away because they want to be chasing real blood, not another ho-hum ADIZ
penetration.

[George Patterson]

wrote:
>
> Ultimate irony all pilots wish for: Daley gets smoked by CAP over his
> own city by a fighter jock with an itchy trigger finger.

You'd have to get him into the air first. Unless the fighter jocks start
strafing limos, Dirty Dick's in no danger.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

[Just go look it up!]

On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:30:58 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Ultimate irony all pilots wish for: Daley gets smoked by CAP over his
>> own city by a fighter jock with an itchy trigger finger.
>
>You'd have to get him into the air first. Unless the fighter jocks start
>strafing limos, Dirty Dick's in no danger.

Perhaps they can have another ammo releasing malfunction on the way to
the shooting range.........

[Ron Natalie]

Gary Drescher wrote:

> Ironically, you can fly into the Sears Tower without busting the Class B; in
> fact, now that Meigs is gone, you can do it without even being required to
> have a radio.
>
You'd still need mode C in most cases ;-)

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Drescher wrote:
>
>> Ironically, you can fly into the Sears Tower without busting the Class B;
>> in fact, now that Meigs is gone, you can do it without even being
>> required to have a radio.
>>
>
> You'd still need mode C in most cases ;-)
>

But if you don't have a radio it's probably because you don't have an
electrical system. If your airplane has never had an engine-driven
electrical system it doesn't need a transponder or encoder to operate in the
Mode C veil.

[Ron Natalie]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Gary Drescher wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ironically, you can fly into the Sears Tower without busting the Class B;
>>>in fact, now that Meigs is gone, you can do it without even being
>>>required to have a radio.
>>>
>>
>>You'd still need mode C in most cases ;-)
>>
>
>
> But if you don't have a radio it's probably because you don't have an
> electrical system. If your airplane has never had an engine-driven
> electrical system it doesn't need a transponder or encoder to operate in the
> Mode C veil.
>
>
Not a whole lot of those out there. I actually flew my Navion around
a bit with no radios in it (or transponder). Stayed away from the Mode
C veil (and the ADIZ).

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
...
>
> Not a whole lot of those out there.
>

Probably more than you think. I have one.


>
> I actually flew my Navion around a bit with no radios in it (or
> transponder). Stayed away from the Mode C veil (and the ADIZ).
>

I believe all Navions were built with electrical systems. They're not
exempt.

[George Patterson]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>
> But if you don't have a radio it's probably because you don't have an
> electrical system. If your airplane has never had an engine-driven
> electrical system it doesn't need a transponder or encoder to operate in the
> Mode C veil.

A plane like that would probably bounce off the Sears tower.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

[Dave Stadt]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:UKmie.567$yc.297@trnddc09...
> He's hoping for the GA aircraft to get shot down. I don't think he would
> hesitate to make that call on ANY aircraft that violated Chicago's bravo.
We
> already know he makes up his own rules as he goes along.

He actually uses the rules to his advantage. His ducks are lined up.

[Dave Stadt]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
...
> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> > "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Gary Drescher wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ironically, you can fly into the Sears Tower without busting the Class
B;
> >>>in fact, now that Meigs is gone, you can do it without even being
> >>>required to have a radio.
> >>>
> >>
> >>You'd still need mode C in most cases ;-)
> >>
> >
> >
> > But if you don't have a radio it's probably because you don't have an
> > electrical system. If your airplane has never had an engine-driven
> > electrical system it doesn't need a transponder or encoder to operate in
the
> > Mode C veil.
> >
> >
> Not a whole lot of those out there.

There are a lot more of them than you think within 50 miles of Chicago.

I actually flew my Navion around
> a bit with no radios in it (or transponder). Stayed away from the Mode
> C veil (and the ADIZ).

[Big John]

Never heard of F-16"s carrying flares. Anyone able to tell how?

Last fighter I flew with flares was the P-51. It had a flare pistol
that could be locked into a port by your left hip and was pointed back
about 45 degrees so that when you fired the flare it would miss the
wing.

Big John (out of hospital for a day or two and still lurking)
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On 17 May 2005 06:52:28 -0700, wrote:

>With all the reports now coming out about how close that Cessna came to
>getting smoked over Washington, it got me thinking. When the governor
>of Kentucky flew into D.C. in his King Air with a dead transponder, it
>caused all kinds of panic. Then the Cessna incident happened. If
>something like that occurred again, what are the chances that the next
>aircraft would be fired upon? Even if the laser warning device had been
>operating I doubt the guy in the 152 would have known what it meant
>anyhow. (If you're oblivious to an F-16 escort firing flares in front
>of you, maybe you don't belong in the air near the Capitol?)
>
>I read on AOPA's site that Chicago's Mayor Daley is whining about his
>city not having any Air Force fighter cover - as if Chicago really
>needs its own ADIZ... Funny how a guy that has proved himself anti-GA
>could be so interested in aviation now. Maybe if he hadn't torn up
>Meigs Field some military aircraft could be based there, even if it was
>just a few helos.
>
>Ultimate irony all pilots wish for: Daley gets smoked by CAP over his
>own city by a fighter jock with an itchy trigger finger.
>
><quasi-political rant mode off>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>
> Never heard of F-16"s carrying flares. Anyone able to tell how?
>
> Last fighter I flew with flares was the P-51. It had a flare pistol
> that could be locked into a port by your left hip and was pointed back
> about 45 degrees so that when you fired the flare it would miss the
> wing.
>

Flares are commonly carried as a countermeasure to IR missiles and
discharged from a flare dispenser.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Never heard of F-16"s carrying flares. Anyone able to tell how?
>
> Last fighter I flew with flares was the P-51. It had a flare pistol
> that could be locked into a port by your left hip and was pointed back
> about 45 degrees so that when you fired the flare it would miss the
> wing.
>
> Big John (out of hospital for a day or two and still lurking)

Here's a picture.

http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/101692.html

That was the second result with Google for "Flare F-16"