Skip the IR rating and go straight to commercial and CFI?

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I need some opinions on this possible scenario

Here is my situation....

I have a full time day job making good money, which I am not wanting to
leaving. I am a private pilot with 143.8 total hours (94.1 PIC) and I
am wanting to teach the PPSEL rating as a CFI for additional income.

My thinking is I would not have enough time or funds to maintain IFR
currency and have no desire to teach the IFR rating. I also have no
desire of making flying my sole employement or income resources (wife,
baby, mortgage, etc.)

So based on that I am thinking about skipping the IR rating and going
straight to the commerical and then CFI.

I know this probably isn't that common, but is there anything wrong
with my thinking or going this route? Would I be looked upon
differently if I decided to go this route?

All opinions welcome

Thanks

[Bill Zaleski]

An new airplane CFI must hold an instrument rating. FAR 61.183 (c)
(2)


On 18 May 2005 19:12:31 -0700, wrote:

>I need some opinions on this possible scenario
>
>Here is my situation....
>
>I have a full time day job making good money, which I am not wanting to
>leaving. I am a private pilot with 143.8 total hours (94.1 PIC) and I
>am wanting to teach the PPSEL rating as a CFI for additional income.
>
>My thinking is I would not have enough time or funds to maintain IFR
>currency and have no desire to teach the IFR rating. I also have no
>desire of making flying my sole employement or income resources (wife,
>baby, mortgage, etc.)
>
>So based on that I am thinking about skipping the IR rating and going
>straight to the commerical and then CFI.
>
>I know this probably isn't that common, but is there anything wrong
>with my thinking or going this route? Would I be looked upon
>differently if I decided to go this route?
>
>All opinions welcome
>
>Thanks

[Robert M. Gary]

The commerical is a great idea. However, you must hold an instrument
rating in order to apply CFI-airplane. I'm not sure why since most CFIs
(and even most CFIIs) are not current or capable of going in the
clouds.

-Robert

[Andrew Sarangan]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:1116470871.680560.327430
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> The commerical is a great idea. However, you must hold an instrument
> rating in order to apply CFI-airplane. I'm not sure why since most CFIs
> (and even most CFIIs) are not current or capable of going in the
> clouds.
>
> -Robert
>
>


I don't know if 'most' is an accurate description, but certainly 'many'
CFIs are not instrument current.

[BTIZ]

before the Instrument rating was mandatory for CFI...
IIRC... a CFI without an instrument rating could not take his student more
than 50nm from home..
made it sort of difficult to instruct cross country

BT

"Bill Zaleski" > wrote in message
...
> An new airplane CFI must hold an instrument rating. FAR 61.183 (c)
> (2)
>
>
> On 18 May 2005 19:12:31 -0700, wrote:
>
>>I need some opinions on this possible scenario
>>
>>Here is my situation....
>>
>>I have a full time day job making good money, which I am not wanting to
>>leaving. I am a private pilot with 143.8 total hours (94.1 PIC) and I
>>am wanting to teach the PPSEL rating as a CFI for additional income.
>>
>>My thinking is I would not have enough time or funds to maintain IFR
>>currency and have no desire to teach the IFR rating. I also have no
>>desire of making flying my sole employement or income resources (wife,
>>baby, mortgage, etc.)
>>
>>So based on that I am thinking about skipping the IR rating and going
>>straight to the commerical and then CFI.
>>
>>I know this probably isn't that common, but is there anything wrong
>>with my thinking or going this route? Would I be looked upon
>>differently if I decided to go this route?
>>
>>All opinions welcome
>>
>>Thanks
>

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> The commerical is a great idea. However, you must hold an instrument
> rating in order to apply CFI-airplane. I'm not sure why since most CFIs
> (and even most CFIIs) are not current or capable of going in the
> clouds.


If he's smart he'll take the instrument written and the commercial written as
close together as possible. There's a fair amount of overlap on the regs.

When did most CFIs lose their currency? I've been away for a good while but it
seemed like most of the CFIs I used to know were quite capable.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

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Thanks,

I guess that takes care of that question.

Now for another one.

Instrument or Commercial rating first?

[George Patterson]

wrote:
>
> Instrument or Commercial rating first?

If you expect to actually use the commercial rating to make money, the
instrument rating will make it a lot more useful.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

[Jose]

> I guess that takes care of that question.
> Now for another one.
> Instrument or Commercial rating first?

Depends. Time was I would say go for the IR first, but nowadays there
are so many sexy gizmos in the cockpit that new pilots spend far too
much time looking at them and not enough time looking out the window.
And enjoying the actual flight, for that matter. Without a purple line,
some of them may have difficulty knowing where they are on a paper chart.

Training for the IR just teaches more looking at instruments rather than
out the window. If you are already spending too much eye-down time,
then go for the commercial rating first.

The training for the commercial rating involves doing the same stuff as
a private pilot, only with greater precision and control (evidenced in
part by a set of required maneuvers). It's pretty much all
look-out-the-window and feel-of-the-stick flying, which is a great
antidote to GPS syndrome.

So, examine your own flying, see which camp you fit into, and decide
appropriately.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Hilton]

BTIZ wrote:
> before the Instrument rating was mandatory for CFI...
> IIRC... a CFI without an instrument rating could not take his student more
> than 50nm from home..
> made it sort of difficult to instruct cross country

If you re-position enough times, you can call just about anything a XC!
(Just kidding, couldn't resist, see previous thread on this)

OT: I just realized that being a Dad is like being a CFI. You help guide
the 'student' to make the correct decisions and let them experience just
enough without hurting themselves. :)

Hilton

[Matt Whiting]

wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I guess that takes care of that question.
>
> Now for another one.
>
> Instrument or Commercial rating first?
>

I'd say instrument as you need that to fully exercise the commercial.

Matt

[Brian]

I agree with the earlier post that "many" was probably more appropriate
than "Most".

As to when "many" lost there currency usually it is with 6 months to a
year after their insturment check ride. The next time I was IFR
Current was 6 years later when a week after my CFII Check ride I went
for an IFR Proficency flight with my instructor. Interesting according
to my Examiner the CFII Checkride did not qualify for Instrument
Proficency unless the Examiner signed it off as such.

Brian

[Robert M. Gary]

Notice I said "not current or capable". Yes, some maintain legal
currency. But how many spend enough time in the clouds that they would
actually take a student in the clouds? I would estimate somewhere
between 10%-20%.

-Robert, CFI

[Guillermo]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I need some opinions on this possible scenario
>
> Here is my situation....
>
> I have a full time day job making good money, which I am not wanting to
> leaving. I am a private pilot with 143.8 total hours (94.1 PIC) and I
> am wanting to teach the PPSEL rating as a CFI for additional income.
>
> My thinking is I would not have enough time or funds to maintain IFR
> currency and have no desire to teach the IFR rating. I also have no
> desire of making flying my sole employement or income resources (wife,
> baby, mortgage, etc.)
>
> So based on that I am thinking about skipping the IR rating and going
> straight to the commerical and then CFI.
>
> I know this probably isn't that common, but is there anything wrong
> with my thinking or going this route? Would I be looked upon
> differently if I decided to go this route?

A commercial without an instrument is kinda useless, and as pointed out, IFR
rating is required to be a CFI (an I will agree with that completely).
Given the times you have (150 hours), I think it is logical that you go for
your instrument, which will get you closer to the hours you need for the
commercial.

Advice: Get your commercial from the right seat. It'll be trickier at the
beginning, but it will make it MUCH easier to get your CFI after that.

[Morgans]

"Hilton" > wrote

> OT: I just realized that being a Dad is like being a CFI. You help guide
> the 'student' to make the correct decisions and let them experience just
> enough without hurting themselves. :)

Excellent! Very true words, well spoken!
--
Jim in NC

[gregg]

wrote:

> I need some opinions on this possible scenario
>
> Here is my situation....
>
> I have a full time day job making good money, which I am not wanting to
> leaving. I am a private pilot with 143.8 total hours (94.1 PIC) and I
> am wanting to teach the PPSEL rating as a CFI for additional income.
>
> My thinking is I would not have enough time or funds to maintain IFR
> currency and have no desire to teach the IFR rating. I also have no
> desire of making flying my sole employement or income resources (wife,
> baby, mortgage, etc.)
>
> So based on that I am thinking about skipping the IR rating and going
> straight to the commerical and then CFI.
>
> I know this probably isn't that common, but is there anything wrong
> with my thinking or going this route? Would I be looked upon
> differently if I decided to go this route?
>
> All opinions welcome
>
> Thanks


Just a side thought..something to consider but no need to answer here:

how secure are you in the future of the income you are making/

If a person could not be reasonably certain that they will be making enough
money in the future to pay for the expensive training, then that might be a
consideration. One might decide to get the rating now while they have the
$$.

--
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[Grumman-581]

"Guillermo" wrote in message ...
> A commercial without an instrument is kinda useless

I will allow you to fly in the airshows of the CAF... It'll also allow you
to do some cropdusting...

[BTIZ]

makes sense to me
BT

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> Jose > wrote:
>
>> So, examine your own flying, see which camp you fit into, and decide
>> appropriately.
>
>
> He has 150 hours ... isn't commercial with 250 hours?
> so the hours would be well spent with IFR training.
>
> #m
> --
> Three witches watch three Swatch watches.
> Which witch watches which Swatch watch?