How Have Our Soaring Vendors Fared?

[Semantics Michael]

The sport of soaring is, of course, a relatively small community and what might impact our suppliers and dealers can affect us all. Curious as to how the US and non-US suppliers have fared so far during the pandemic. In any case, may 2021 bring them a better New Year!

[2G]

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> The sport of soaring is, of course, a relatively small community and what might impact our suppliers and dealers can affect us all. Curious as to how the US and non-US suppliers have fared so far during the pandemic. In any case, may 2021 bring them a better New Year!

The elephant in the room is when will restrictions be lifted. Right now it would be impossible to hold a glider meet or contest, and the lifting of restrictions will be driven more by politics than by science. Hell, the scientists like Fauci are lying to us. I don't expect widespread availability of the vaccine to occur before late spring or summer. And there will be lengthy delay between widespread vaccination and a drop in hospitalization numbers, which seems to be driving most political decisions. This makes planning an event, and I am in that position, difficult to impossible. I think 2021 will be another write-off year, personally (hopefully I am wrong and the vaccines get distributed faster than they have been). Thank God I fly a motorglider and am not dependent on tows.

Tom

[Richard Owen]

Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.

Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.

In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!

Cheers,
Richard Owen
Vice President
Seminole Flying & Soaring

[Matt Herron Jr.]

could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.


On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
> Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.
>
> Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.
>
> In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!
>
> Cheers,
> Richard Owen
> Vice President
> Seminole Flying & Soaring

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

If you have onsite instant testing at a contest and a pilot pops positive, what do you do? Send them the poz pilot home and launch everyone else who was around them to spread the 'rona to farmers? Cancel the whole contest? Who is going to show up knowing notoriously unreliable testing could end their race wasting time and travel expense?

[Rakel]

On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 6:34:03 PM UTC-5, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> If you have onsite instant testing at a contest and a pilot pops positive, what do you do? Send them the poz pilot home and launch everyone else who was around them to spread the 'rona to farmers? Cancel the whole contest? Who is going to show up knowing notoriously unreliable testing could end their race wasting time and travel expense?

The best protection is still social distancing, wear a mask, and wash your hands before putting anything near your mouth. Oh, and get a vaccination as soon as possible.

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

It's my understanding that there are now several rapid tests available that generate results in less than an hour, can be self-administered and have sensitivity of 95-98% and selectivity of 97-100% (false negative of <5% and false positive of <3%). Obviously you'd want to set up testing such that there is no cross-exposure of pilots, staff, etc. prior to getting a test result. You could give out little green "good to go" badges to everyone with a negative test. Seems like unless we can get everyone vaccinated, this is the main method available to provide higher confidence to everyone involved. A mixed combination of vaccinations and testing is a likely outcome given the pace of vaccinations and the age of pilots (older with higher priority to get a stick), volunteers, etc. With the new more infectious strain now circulating in the US it seems like some extra care would be in order. Early season contests are likely to face more concerns than later, but it's really too early to forecast much.

Things are still very much in flux, but at least the trajectory on vaccines and testing - if not hospitalizations - are headed in a positive direction..

Andy Blackburn
9B

On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> If you have onsite instant testing at a contest and a pilot pops positive, what do you do? Send them the poz pilot home and launch everyone else who was around them to spread the 'rona to farmers? Cancel the whole contest? Who is going to show up knowing notoriously unreliable testing could end their race wasting time and travel expense?

[7K]

What are our European friends doing for contests this year? Any cancelled or postponed?

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:46:05 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> It's my understanding that there are now several rapid tests available that generate results in less than an hour, can be self-administered and have sensitivity of 95-98% and selectivity of 97-100% (false negative of <5% and false positive of <3%). Obviously you'd want to set up testing such that there is no cross-exposure of pilots, staff, etc. prior to getting a test result. You could give out little green "good to go" badges to everyone with a negative test. Seems like unless we can get everyone vaccinated, this is the main method available to provide higher confidence to everyone involved. A mixed combination of vaccinations and testing is a likely outcome given the pace of vaccinations and the age of pilots (older with higher priority to get a stick), volunteers, etc. With the new more infectious strain now circulating in the US it seems like some extra care would be in order. Early season contests are likely to face more concerns than later, but it's really too early to forecast much.
>
> Things are still very much in flux, but at least the trajectory on vaccines and testing - if not hospitalizations - are headed in a positive direction.
>
> Andy Blackburn
> 9B

As I understand the latest claims the vaccine does not prevent the vaccinated from getting or spreading covid just lessens their personal symptoms. Launching a fleet of vaccinated pilots is still potentially sending out angels of death upon the world.

[Martin Gregorie[_6_]]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:02:39 -0800, Gregg Ballou wrote:

> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:46:05 AM UTC-5,
> wrote:
>> It's my understanding that there are now several rapid tests available
>> that generate results in less than an hour, can be self-administered
>> and have sensitivity of 95-98% and selectivity of 97-100% (false
>> negative of <5% and false positive of <3%). Obviously you'd want to set
>> up testing such that there is no cross-exposure of pilots, staff, etc.
>> prior to getting a test result. You could give out little green "good
>> to go" badges to everyone with a negative test. Seems like unless we
>> can get everyone vaccinated, this is the main method available to
>> provide higher confidence to everyone involved. A mixed combination of
>> vaccinations and testing is a likely outcome given the pace of
>> vaccinations and the age of pilots (older with higher priority to get a
>> stick), volunteers, etc. With the new more infectious strain now
>> circulating in the US it seems like some extra care would be in order.
>> Early season contests are likely to face more concerns than later, but
>> it's really too early to forecast much.
>>
>> Things are still very much in flux, but at least the trajectory on
>> vaccines and testing - if not hospitalizations - are headed in a
>> positive direction.
>>
>> Andy Blackburn 9B
>
> As I understand the latest claims the vaccine does not prevent the
> vaccinated from getting or spreading covid just lessens their personal
> symptoms. Launching a fleet of vaccinated pilots is still potentially
> sending out angels of death upon the world.

Citation please.

Which vaccine does this apply to?

A surprising number of vaccines, for which initial and stage 2 trials
have been completed, have been developed in various countries. Knowing
which vaccine you are posting about is important because there are
significant differences between these vaccines, consequently an efficacy
claim is meaningless unless the vaccine it applies to is named.



--
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

[2G]

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 5:02:41 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:46:05 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > It's my understanding that there are now several rapid tests available that generate results in less than an hour, can be self-administered and have sensitivity of 95-98% and selectivity of 97-100% (false negative of <5% and false positive of <3%). Obviously you'd want to set up testing such that there is no cross-exposure of pilots, staff, etc. prior to getting a test result. You could give out little green "good to go" badges to everyone with a negative test. Seems like unless we can get everyone vaccinated, this is the main method available to provide higher confidence to everyone involved. A mixed combination of vaccinations and testing is a likely outcome given the pace of vaccinations and the age of pilots (older with higher priority to get a stick), volunteers, etc. With the new more infectious strain now circulating in the US it seems like some extra care would be in order. Early season contests are likely to face more concerns than later, but it's really too early to forecast much.
> >
> > Things are still very much in flux, but at least the trajectory on vaccines and testing - if not hospitalizations - are headed in a positive direction.
> >
> > Andy Blackburn
> > 9B
> As I understand the latest claims the vaccine does not prevent the vaccinated from getting or spreading covid just lessens their personal symptoms. Launching a fleet of vaccinated pilots is still potentially sending out angels of death upon the world.

Cite your source(s) - if you have any reliable ones.

Tom

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-vaccinated-infected-wellness/index.html
Health officials from Dr. Anthony Fauci on down are cautioning people that no one can dump the the face masks and social distancing behavior just because they've been vaccinated.
Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
That's because even people who are themselves immune to the virus might be exposed to it and transmit it to others. It can grow in the nose, says Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
"It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician. "They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing and so on, they can still transmit it to others."

[Dan Marotta]

On 1/11/21 1:33 PM, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?

I open my hangar unaided, move my aircraft outside, fly it, return, and
put it away. I may fuel it up at a self-service pump.

Explain to me how that is "immoral".

--
Dan
5J

[John Foster]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:33:29 PM UTC-7, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
> https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-vaccinated-infected-wellness/index.html
> Health officials from Dr. Anthony Fauci on down are cautioning people that no one can dump the the face masks and social distancing behavior just because they've been vaccinated.
> Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> That's because even people who are themselves immune to the virus might be exposed to it and transmit it to others. It can grow in the nose, says Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
> "It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician. "They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing and so on, they can still transmit it to others."


Be careful what you read on the internet. When you contract a viral infection, there is a period of time between when you are exposed, and when you start making virus particles that you can spread. This is call the incubation period. Some viruses you can spread before you develop symptoms (like COVID-19). Once your body is exposed to the virus, it takes parts of the virus and makes antibodies to those parts to help it fight the infection. This takes time, and before you are able to recover from it, you have spread virus particles around and infected others.

However, if you have been vaccinated, the antibodies are already present in your body before you are exposed to the virus. When you become exposed to the virus, your antibodies jump on the virus and help your immune system destroy the virus BEFORE it has the chance to start replicating. As a result, you do not make new virus particles and are unable to infect other people. You also do not get the infection. You may feel a little sick during this process, as it results in an activation of your immune system and all the hormones involved (cytokines) are responsible for why you feel sick. But the virus is stopped before it can be spread. That's why vaccines work.

Now if your immune system does not mount a satisfactory response to the vaccination, then you may not have sufficient immunity to drive it off. This is one of the reasons the COVID-19 vaccines are a 2-part series--to boost the response and improve the likelihood of successfully preventing infection..

There are some people who even after the two part vaccination, still will become infected and are able to transmit the virus. No vaccination is 100% reliable. Some people will become "asymptomatic carriers", as you point out, but these are by far the minority of those that have been vaccinated. It is another example of CNN taking things out of context and blowing them out of proportion in order to stimulate ratings and spread fear among the public. While we are still rolling out the vaccine, where most people have not been vaccinated yet, it makes sense to continue to wear the face mask to prevent the spread, even by those vaccinated. However, after most of the population has been vaccinated, there will be very little danger to the general public, unless they have not been vaccinated. This is all assuming that the virus does not mutate to a strain resistant to the current vaccinations.

[2G]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 12:33:29 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
> https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-vaccinated-infected-wellness/index.html
> Health officials from Dr. Anthony Fauci on down are cautioning people that no one can dump the the face masks and social distancing behavior just because they've been vaccinated.
> Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> That's because even people who are themselves immune to the virus might be exposed to it and transmit it to others. It can grow in the nose, says Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
> "It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician. "They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing and so on, they can still transmit it to others."

Sorry, those AREN'T credible sources. We know Fauci has lied to us in the past, which destroyed his credibility. An "analyst" is just giving their personal opinion - note that she used the word "may" which IS NOT definitive. I am looking for some institution such as John Hopkins, that has officially studied the issue.

Tom

[Kevin Shaw]

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 5:02:41 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:46:05 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > It's my understanding that there are now several rapid tests available that generate results in less than an hour, can be self-administered and have sensitivity of 95-98% and selectivity of 97-100% (false negative of <5% and false positive of <3%). Obviously you'd want to set up testing such that there is no cross-exposure of pilots, staff, etc. prior to getting a test result. You could give out little green "good to go" badges to everyone with a negative test. Seems like unless we can get everyone vaccinated, this is the main method available to provide higher confidence to everyone involved. A mixed combination of vaccinations and testing is a likely outcome given the pace of vaccinations and the age of pilots (older with higher priority to get a stick), volunteers, etc. With the new more infectious strain now circulating in the US it seems like some extra care would be in order. Early season contests are likely to face more concerns than later, but it's really too early to forecast much.
> >
> > Things are still very much in flux, but at least the trajectory on vaccines and testing - if not hospitalizations - are headed in a positive direction.
> >
> > Andy Blackburn
> > 9B
> As I understand the latest claims the vaccine does not prevent the vaccinated from getting or spreading covid just lessens their personal symptoms. Launching a fleet of vaccinated pilots is still potentially sending out angels of death upon the world.

I was just studying up on Moderna’s emergency authorization in USA (you can easily find on-line the authorization letter and the official FAQs sheet for recipients) and it is clear that they make no claims about the vaccinated person’s ability to transmit the virus. And indeed, of the ~15,000 who received the vaccine in the 60 day trial, a small number were subsequently infected (hence the 94% efficacy claim).

But the chief benefit of vaccination is apparently that none of them had a serious case. Interestingly, the efficacy rate in old people was lower (something like 86%, IIRC). In any event, the bottom line seems to be that, even for us old folks, the vaccine protects completely or at worst, results in a case with relatively mild symptoms. (Apparently the incidence of severe side effects is relatively low, but most recipients will have mild side effects for 1-3 days after each dose.)

But, it’s also clear that the trials done last year are very limited, and there are many unanswered questions, such as how long the immunity persists. The emergency authorization given for Moderna in December in USA is not “approval� from FDA is the usual sense. For some folks, the process itself will be an issue until more is known. To me, the risks seem reasonable & I’m scheduled for my first dose this week.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 2:05:45 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 1/11/21 1:33 PM, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
> I open my hangar unaided, move my aircraft outside, fly it, return, and
> put it away. I may fuel it up at a self-service pump.
>
> Explain to me how that is "immoral".
>
> --
> Dan
> 5J
Really Dan? It is the Puritan ethic, it is immoral to have fun or enjoy oneself. All you actions should be to be as miserable as you can possibly be, just like me.

[Dan Marotta]

On 1/12/21 12:54 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 2:05:45 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> On 1/11/21 1:33 PM, Gregg Ballou wrote:
>>> How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
>> I open my hangar unaided, move my aircraft outside, fly it, return, and
>> put it away. I may fuel it up at a self-service pump.
>>
>> Explain to me how that is "immoral".
>>
>> --
>> Dan
>> 5J
> Really Dan? It is the Puritan ethic, it is immoral to have fun or enjoy oneself. All you actions should be to be as miserable as you can possibly be, just like me.
>

Oh! Then I'll just keep reading RAS.

--
Dan
5J

[Richard Pfiffner[_2_]]

Talking about thread drift I guess you all have covid on or in your mind.

Sorry I don't have the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine in stock yet.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Mark Mocho]

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 5:13:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> Talking about thread drift I guess you all have covid on or in your mind.
>
> Sorry I don't have the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine in stock yet.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

Maybe we should wait for v2.1

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 5:05:45 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 1/11/21 1:33 PM, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
> I open my hangar unaided, move my aircraft outside, fly it, return, and
> put it away. I may fuel it up at a self-service pump.
>
> Explain to me how that is "immoral".
>
> --
> Dan
> 5J
That's cool. Bit different than launching a bunch of pure gliders on a racing task. And I don't have a problem with glider racing, I have a problem with the hypocrisy of pretending to follow the conventional covid wisdom with restrictions for all, except whatever your thing is, glider racing in this case.

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 8:32:52 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 12:33:29 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
> > https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-vaccinated-infected-wellness/index.html
> > Health officials from Dr. Anthony Fauci on down are cautioning people that no one can dump the the face masks and social distancing behavior just because they've been vaccinated.
> > Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> > Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> > That's because even people who are themselves immune to the virus might be exposed to it and transmit it to others. It can grow in the nose, says Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
> > "It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician. "They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing and so on, they can still transmit it to others."
> Sorry, those AREN'T credible sources. We know Fauci has lied to us in the past, which destroyed his credibility. An "analyst" is just giving their personal opinion - note that she used the word "may" which IS NOT definitive.. I am looking for some institution such as John Hopkins, that has officially studied the issue.
>
> Tom
I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice. Fear has become a virtue and everyone wants restrictions on everyone doing everything except their exceptions. It is ******** if you believe in the church of covid stay home. If not go live as you see fit.

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.

I read that on QAnon too. ;-)
How a 80-year-old public servant of such long tenure and accomplishment became a boogyman to some is beyond my understanding, though I know that the loon who starred in that "Plandemic" conspiracy movie had it in for him for catching her falsifying her research decades ago - so maybe that's how it starts - malicious wingnuts.

It's not known how the vaccines affect infection and transmissibility - that is, whether they confer sterilizing immunity. There is some belief that the mRNA vaccines don't do this, but it's not been tested. The next round of vaccines are based on different technology, so they may be different - we just don't know for sure. So, obviously procedures would need to be made with this possibility in mind. It isn't clear to me that the risk of landout generates very high risks of exposure and spread, but perhaps tasking ought to be adapted to further reduce the possibility. Also retrieve procedures. In the world we hope for in the spring and summer it is reasonable to expect a manageable environment.

It's too early to know much with certainty with so many things in play. It would be nice if we could make it work this year, but if vaccine rollout is slow and public health authorities keep restrictions in place it'll be quite a difficult situation.

IMO it's best to plan for needing to mitigate against spread - then at least you have a plan.

Andy Blackburn
9B

P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B

[Richard Pfiffner[_2_]]

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 4:52:06 PM UTC-8, Mark Mocho wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 5:13:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> > Talking about thread drift I guess you all have covid on or in your mind.
> >
> > Sorry I don't have the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine in stock yet.
> >
> > Richard
> > www.craggyaero.com
> Maybe we should wait for v2.1

Get you pre-order for v2.1 before it runs out.

Richard

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
>
> > I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
> I read that on QAnon too. ;-)
> How a 80-year-old public servant of such long tenure and accomplishment became a boogyman to some is beyond my understanding, though I know that the loon who starred in that "Plandemic" conspiracy movie had it in for him for catching her falsifying her research decades ago - so maybe that's how it starts - malicious wingnuts.
>
> It's not known how the vaccines affect infection and transmissibility - that is, whether they confer sterilizing immunity. There is some belief that the mRNA vaccines don't do this, but it's not been tested. The next round of vaccines are based on different technology, so they may be different - we just don't know for sure. So, obviously procedures would need to be made with this possibility in mind. It isn't clear to me that the risk of landout generates very high risks of exposure and spread, but perhaps tasking ought to be adapted to further reduce the possibility. Also retrieve procedures. In the world we hope for in the spring and summer it is reasonable to expect a manageable environment.
>
> It's too early to know much with certainty with so many things in play. It would be nice if we could make it work this year, but if vaccine rollout is slow and public health authorities keep restrictions in place it'll be quite a difficult situation.
>
> IMO it's best to plan for needing to mitigate against spread - then at least you have a plan.
>
> Andy Blackburn
> 9B
>
> P.S.
> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
>
> 9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
>>
>>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.

>> P.S.
>> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
>>
>> 9B
> He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
>
It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
benefit by attacking those that are helping:

“Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,” he [Staley] said. “We
are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/

--
Eric Greenwell

[2G]

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> > On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
> >> P.S.
> >> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
> >>
> >> 9B
> > He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
> >
> It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
> benefit by attacking those that are helping:
>
> “Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
> our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
> are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell

Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.

Tom

[Rich Owen[_2_]]

On January 12th, the first contest of the season had it's Preferential Entry Date deadline. I'm happy to report that the 2021 Senior Soaring Championship is once again a full contest with 60 pilots that will travel to Seminole-Lake Gliderport in Clermont Florida to compete. We will take good care of our pilots, crews, and volunteers. The waiting list is shorter than last year (4 verses 23), but this looks to be a good start to the season. Before the Seniors we plan to offer a handicapped Sailplane Grand Prix for 15 pilots to experience a different racing format. We did this at the end of the Seniors last year and it turned out to be a 15 race series. Everyone enjoyed it so much, we are bringing it back.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
Contest Manager

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.

QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html

Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.

Oh the irony.

Andy
9B

Thread drift complete


On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
> > >> P.S.
> > >> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
> > >>
> > >> 9B
> > > He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
> > >
> > It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
> > benefit by attacking those that are helping:
> >
> > “Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
> > our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
> > are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�
> >
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/
> >
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell
> Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.
>
> Tom

[kinsell]

On 1/14/21 1:56 AM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.
>
> QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
>
> Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.
>
> Oh the irony.
>

In Colorado, we have one of the best rates of injections given, yet less
than half have been administered. Our great governor, bluer than a
Smurf, constantly gives press conferences where he keeps saying the
vaccination rate is entirely paced by vaccine supply.

He's constantly changing the priority list, exactly two days after shots
started being given to highest risk people in nursing homes, he opened
it up to 'essential journalists', teachers, postal workers, and others.
Now it turns out, low level legislative assistants like millennial
clerks and secretaries have already been given shots, when the over 70
crowd is just starting to get theirs.

So is it Trump's fault we have a lying idiot for a governor here? BTW,
after all the preaching about masks and washing hands, our great
governor came down with the 'Rona himself.

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

Everybody's going to bitch about priorities that don't have them high on the list or don't comport with their sense of what's important. I think we've pretty quickly gotten to a place where the goal is to try to get it to older folks (especially in group homes) and some combination of folks with super high rates of exposure and potential to be spreaders. No one's going to agree on that at the micro-level so expect the usual sniping and inevitable politicization from people who see everything through a red/blue lens. The big change I've seen is the shift to a "use every dose" approach where there are outlets to administer unused doses before they expire - with much looser prioritization criteria. Some of that will be just having a continuous flow to vaccination centers where you ave long lines of people who are willing to be a ready arm to receive a stick. That seems like a pretty good method to drive up dose utilization - there are almost always people willing to stand in line.

I still don't get the Fauci thing. Maybe some more CAPS LOCK comments will make it clear.

;-)

9B

Hope our soaring vendors get vaccinated early - back to the original post.



On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 7:07:00 AM UTC-8, kinsell wrote:
> On 1/14/21 1:56 AM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> > Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.
> >
> > QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
> >
> > Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.
> >
> > Oh the irony.
> >
> In Colorado, we have one of the best rates of injections given, yet less
> than half have been administered. Our great governor, bluer than a
> Smurf, constantly gives press conferences where he keeps saying the
> vaccination rate is entirely paced by vaccine supply.
>
> He's constantly changing the priority list, exactly two days after shots
> started being given to highest risk people in nursing homes, he opened
> it up to 'essential journalists', teachers, postal workers, and others.
> Now it turns out, low level legislative assistants like millennial
> clerks and secretaries have already been given shots, when the over 70
> crowd is just starting to get theirs.
>
> So is it Trump's fault we have a lying idiot for a governor here? BTW,
> after all the preaching about masks and washing hands, our great
> governor came down with the 'Rona himself.

[6PK]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 5:32:52 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 12:33:29 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > How could you guys not have seen these claims? If you want other sources search, it is part of the current conventional wisdom on covid. And if you believe the current conventional wisdom on covid then isn't recreational flying immoral?
> > https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-vaccinated-infected-wellness/index.html
> > Health officials from Dr. Anthony Fauci on down are cautioning people that no one can dump the the face masks and social distancing behavior just because they've been vaccinated.
> > Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> > Why a Covid-19 vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask
> > That's because even people who are themselves immune to the virus might be exposed to it and transmit it to others. It can grow in the nose, says Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
> > "It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician. "They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing and so on, they can still transmit it to others."
> Sorry, those AREN'T credible sources. We know Fauci has lied to us in the past, which destroyed his credibility. An "analyst" is just giving their personal opinion - note that she used the word "may" which IS NOT definitive.. I am looking for some institution such as John Hopkins, that has officially studied the issue.
>
> Tom

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:08:13 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Before the Seniors we plan to offer a handicapped Sailplane Grand Prix for 15 pilots to experience a different racing format.

Rich,
What are the dates? How does one sign up?
Thanks,
Chris Schrader

[2G]

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:56:22 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.
>
> QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
>
> Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.
>
> Oh the irony.
>
> Andy
> 9B
>
> Thread drift complete
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
> > > >> P.S.
> > > >> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
> > > >>
> > > >> 9B
> > > > He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
> > > >
> > > It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
> > > benefit by attacking those that are helping:
> > >
> > > “Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
> > > our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
> > > are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�
> > >
> > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Greenwell
> > Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.
> >
> > Tom

If you are looking for competence out of the Biden administration I think you are going to be sadly disappointed. Biden's management expertise amounts to running a Senate office. His COVID relief plan contained nothing that hadn't already been done. I think it will take the involvement of public and private companies, who are competent at efforts of this scale, to break the logjam. I listened to the CEO (sorry for the CAPS LOCK) of Honeywell talk about how Honeywell and other companies have started working on such a plan.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

TOM THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR UNQUALIFIED POLITICAL OPINIONS ON A MOTHER ****ING SOARING GROUP. SINCE YOU SEEMS TO BE AN EXPERT ON ALL
I INVITE YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TOPICS FOR "RECREATION SOARING" NEWSGROUP. BTW, google groups established different groups by subject, os if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for us to adhere to said policies.

All of us

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:25:15 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:56:22 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.
> >
> > QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
> >
> > Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.
> >
> > Oh the irony.
> >
> > Andy
> > 9B
> >
> > Thread drift complete
> > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > > Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> > > > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
> > > > >> P.S.
> > > > >> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 9B
> > > > > He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
> > > > >
> > > > It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
> > > > benefit by attacking those that are helping:
> > > >
> > > > “Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
> > > > our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
> > > > are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�
> > > >
> > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Eric Greenwell
> > > Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.
> > >
> > > Tom
> If you are looking for competence out of the Biden administration I think you are going to be sadly disappointed. Biden's management expertise amounts to running a Senate office. His COVID relief plan contained nothing that hadn't already been done. I think it will take the involvement of public and private companies, who are competent at efforts of this scale, to break the logjam. I listened to the CEO (sorry for the CAPS LOCK) of Honeywell talk about how Honeywell and other companies have started working on such a plan.
>
> BTW, our founding fathers used upper case, so if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for me.
>
> Tom

[2G]

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 9:02:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> TOM THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR UNQUALIFIED POLITICAL OPINIONS ON A MOTHER ****ING SOARING GROUP. SINCE YOU SEEMS TO BE AN EXPERT ON ALL
> I INVITE YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TOPICS FOR "RECREATION SOARING" NEWSGROUP. BTW, google groups established different groups by subject, os if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for us to adhere to said policies.
>
> All of us
> On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:25:15 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:56:22 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > > Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.
> > >
> > > QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
> > >
> > > Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.
> > >
> > > Oh the irony.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > 9B
> > >
> > > Thread drift complete
> > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > > > Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > > > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice..
> > > > > >> P.S.
> > > > > >> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 9B
> > > > > > He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
> > > > > >
> > > > > It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
> > > > > benefit by attacking those that are helping:
> > > > >
> > > > > “Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
> > > > > our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
> > > > > are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Eric Greenwell
> > > > Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > If you are looking for competence out of the Biden administration I think you are going to be sadly disappointed. Biden's management expertise amounts to running a Senate office. His COVID relief plan contained nothing that hadn't already been done. I think it will take the involvement of public and private companies, who are competent at efforts of this scale, to break the logjam. I listened to the CEO (sorry for the CAPS LOCK) of Honeywell talk about how Honeywell and other companies have started working on such a plan.
> >
> > BTW, our founding fathers used upper case, so if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for me.
> >
> > Tom

You're welcome. I can tell you how to replace you keyboard - your CAPS LOCK key seems to be stuck.

Tom

[Richard Owen]

On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 6:16:53 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 9:02:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > TOM THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR UNQUALIFIED POLITICAL OPINIONS ON A MOTHER ****ING SOARING GROUP. SINCE YOU SEEMS TO BE AN EXPERT ON ALL
> > I INVITE YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TOPICS FOR "RECREATION SOARING" NEWSGROUP. BTW, google groups established different groups by subject, os if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for us to adhere to said policies.
> >
> > All of us
> > On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:25:15 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:56:22 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > > > Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.
> > > >
> > > > QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.
> > > >
> > > > Oh the irony.
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > > 9B
> > > >
> > > > Thread drift complete
> > > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > > > > Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
> > > > > > >> P.S.
> > > > > > >> Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 9B
> > > > > > > He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
> > > > > > benefit by attacking those that are helping:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
> > > > > > our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
> > > > > > are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/20/fauci-aids-nih-coronavirus/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Eric Greenwell
> > > > > Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > If you are looking for competence out of the Biden administration I think you are going to be sadly disappointed. Biden's management expertise amounts to running a Senate office. His COVID relief plan contained nothing that hadn't already been done. I think it will take the involvement of public and private companies, who are competent at efforts of this scale, to break the logjam. I listened to the CEO (sorry for the CAPS LOCK) of Honeywell talk about how Honeywell and other companies have started working on such a plan.
> > >
> > > BTW, our founding fathers used upper case, so if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for me.
> > >
> > > Tom
> You're welcome. I can tell you how to replace you keyboard - your CAPS LOCK key seems to be stuck.
>
> Tom

[Richard Owen]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I know this might come as a surprise but I come to this site everyday to see if our other soaring operations have some good ideas on how to manage the hand we have been dealt. At Seminole-Lake, both of our instructors have received the Covid vaccine. Our local pilots who are competing in the Seniors have at least gotten their first shot. I will get my second shot on February 6th. The flight training operation with its Covid mitigation procedures, have not had any other Covid cases than our one flight instructor who safely recovered from the virus. I want to send a shout out to Miami Gliders who have thankfully offered to tow during the Seniors. In recent weeks we have lost access to a couple of tow planes due to maintenance issues. Clubs are working hard to restore the aircraft to flyable condition but the Seniors is only 6 weeks away. We are looking for 2 more tow planes as a back up in case these clubs are unsuccessful to return their ships to airworthy condition. Please contact me at 407-325-6500 cell or 407-249-4945 home. Leave a message on my home line since we do screen calls like most folks.

I know many of you though contest flying, the SSA and commercial soaring operations. Our enemies on this site are sink, rain, rotor, cold weather at altitude, hypoxia, improper checklist use, getting distracted while flying/assembly, and bad decisions to name a few. There is no need to attack each other. Take a breath, set a personal goal to improve your proficiency in soaring. Go to a school and show off our sport to the next generation. Go to your club, look around and work on those projects everyone has been talking about. Come to Florida today and fly with us. Need to expand your list of ratings, we are ready to support you! In 6 weeks 60 gliders will show up to compete in a competition that has operated for 31 years. We have plans in place to mitigate the risk of Covid during the contest. It will be a lot of fun, just ask any of the pilots who have made the trip.

Sincerely,
Rich Owen
Contest Manager
Senior Soaring Championship

[[email protected]]

On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:51:05 PM UTC-5, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
> > Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again.. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.
> >
> > Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.
> >
> > In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy.. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Richard Owen
> > Vice President
> > Seminole Flying & Soaring
Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!

[2G]

On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:51:05 PM UTC-5, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> > could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.
> > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
> > > Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.
> > >
> > > Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.
> > >
> > > In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Richard Owen
> > > Vice President
> > > Seminole Flying & Soaring
> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!

My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...

The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...

On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/

Tom

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:51:05 PM UTC-5, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> > > could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.
> > > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
> > > > Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.
> > > >
> > > > Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.
> > > >
> > > > In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Richard Owen
> > > > Vice President
> > > > Seminole Flying & Soaring
> > Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
>
> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
>
> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
>
> Tom
Tom, being a Librarian I laugh at what is going on, Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:51:05 PM UTC-5, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> > > could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.
> > > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
> > > > Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.
> > > >
> > > > Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.
> > > >
> > > > In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Richard Owen
> > > > Vice President
> > > > Seminole Flying & Soaring
> > Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
>
> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
>
> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
>
> Tom
On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
....
>>> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
>> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
>>
>> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
>> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
>> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
>>
>> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
>> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
>>
>> Tom
> On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
>
How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
for political discussions.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:50:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
> > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> ...
> >>> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
> >> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
> >>
> >> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
> >> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
> >> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
> >>
> >> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
> >> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
> >>
> >> Tom
> > On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
> >
> How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
> for political discussions.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Eric, maybe I should have said, "Tow Pilots Want Vaccinations Also".

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> ...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.

We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.

I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.

I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?

Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!

I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.

Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!

But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.

Andy Blackburn
9B

Back to gliding please.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 1/26/2021 4:32 PM:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:50:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
>>>> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
>>>>
>>>> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
>>>> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
>>>> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
>>>>
>>>> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
>>>> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>> On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
>>>
>> How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
>> for political discussions.

> Eric, maybe I should have said, "Tow Pilots Want Vaccinations Also".
>
It's not what you said, it's where you and Tom are saying it: RAS. There are venues where
everyone wold love to have you make these comments.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > ...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.
>
> We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.
>
> I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.
>
> I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?
>
> Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!
>
> I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.
>
> Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!
>
> But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.
>
> Andy Blackburn
> 9B
>
> Back to gliding please.

Andy, with all due respect, you are watching way too much MSNBC!

[John Godfrey]

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > > ...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.
> >
> > We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.
> >
> > I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.
> >
> > I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?
> >
> > Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!
> >
> > I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.
> >
> > Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!
> >
> > But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.
> >
> > Andy Blackburn
> > 9B
> >
> > Back to gliding please.
> Andy, with all due respect, you are watching way too much MSNBC
I think Andy is pretty much dead on, and that most of his opinions are based on verifiable facts. Consider that maybe, just maybe, you've got some of it wrong.

[Richard Livingston]

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:11:59 AM UTC-6, wrote:

> Andy, with all due respect, you are watching way too much MSNBC!

Bob,

With all due respect, you are watching too much Fox "news"

Rich L.

[Gregg Ballou[_2_]]

Y'all watch too much TV. If you shut your TV off, the 'rona goes away. Try it.

[joesimmers[_2_]]

> Y'all watch too much TV. If you shut your TV off, the 'rona goes away. Try it.


Not just that, a whole bunch of your problems go away and you greatly
increase the quality of your life!!!!

[GliderCZ]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:49:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > ...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.
>
> We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.
>
> I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.
>
> I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?
>
> Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!
>
> I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.
>
> Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!
>
> But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.
>
> Andy Blackburn
> 9B
>
> Back to gliding please.

Why are we all surprised. Old, white guys with ample disposable income fit square into the MAGA demographic.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/27/2021 8:12 AM:
> Y'all watch too much TV. If you shut your TV off, the 'rona goes away. Try it.
>
It's in the newspaper, so I see it there. It's on the radio, and I hear it; it's in signs on
the doors of the stores I go to; the websites I visit mention it; the GP factory tells me my
glider will be delayed 6 months due to it; and my friends want to zoom our EAA and other
meetings. There's lots more than TV and it's not going away until we have herd immunity here,
in the countries near us, the ones we travel to or visitors come from. We may never be free of
it, just like we aren't free from the flu.

Hiding from the news will not protect me from the disease, and I really want to last long
enough to fly my new glider for 5 or 6 seasons. I hope you and the others on RAS will take the
simple covid precautions to ensure you will all be around for the next few years, so I have
friends to fly with.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:30:14 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/27/2021 8:12 AM:
> > Y'all watch too much TV. If you shut your TV off, the 'rona goes away. Try it.
> >
> It's in the newspaper, so I see it there. It's on the radio, and I hear it; it's in signs on
> the doors of the stores I go to; the websites I visit mention it; the GP factory tells me my
> glider will be delayed 6 months due to it; and my friends want to zoom our EAA and other
> meetings. There's lots more than TV and it's not going away until we have herd immunity here,
> in the countries near us, the ones we travel to or visitors come from. We may never be free of
> it, just like we aren't free from the flu.
>
> Hiding from the news will not protect me from the disease, and I really want to last long
> enough to fly my new glider for 5 or 6 seasons. I hope you and the others on RAS will take the
> simple covid precautions to ensure you will all be around for the next few years, so I have
> friends to fly with.
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Eric, herd immunity? Please read about the new strain in Brazil. People are getting sick again, the same people who got sick a few months ago. This is a mess, and it will take a year or two or maybe longer to fix it. Everyone, let's stay away from politics on RAS, do we really want to reflect the rest of the country, being totally divided? I prefer not to know what my soaring friends think about this or that president, it makes for a much better conversation.

[2G]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:50:53 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
> > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> ...
> >>> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
> >> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
> >>
> >> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
> >> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
> >> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
> >>
> >> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
> >> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
> >>
> >> Tom
> > On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
> >
> How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
> for political discussions.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Eric,

It's related in that our operations this, and next, season are directly impacted by how COVID is dealt with: poorly and you can kiss meets and contests goodbye, well and they can be salvaged. This should be obvious to you.

Tom

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

2G wrote on 1/30/2021 9:26 PM:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:50:53 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
>>>> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
>>>>
>>>> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
>>>> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
>>>> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
>>>>
>>>> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
>>>> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>> On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
>>>
>> How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
>> for political discussions.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
>> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>
> Eric,
>
> It's related in that our operations this, and next, season are directly impacted by how COVID is dealt with: poorly and you can kiss meets and contests goodbye, well and they can be salvaged. This should be obvious to you.
>
> Tom
>
I encourage discussing how to mitigate the effects of the pandemic on our sport, as this will
enable us to better deal with the situation. I discourage discussing who is to blame for the
situation, as that will likely be a distraction at best, and cause anger and division at worst.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[2G]

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> 2G wrote on 1/30/2021 9:26 PM:
> > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:50:53 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >> wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
> >>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>>> Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
> >>>> My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...
> >>>>
> >>>> The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
> >>>> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
> >>>> At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...
> >>>>
> >>>> On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
> >>>> https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom
> >>> On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
> >>>
> >> How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
> >> for political discussions.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> >> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > It's related in that our operations this, and next, season are directly impacted by how COVID is dealt with: poorly and you can kiss meets and contests goodbye, well and they can be salvaged. This should be obvious to you..
> >
> > Tom
> >
> I encourage discussing how to mitigate the effects of the pandemic on our sport, as this will
> enable us to better deal with the situation. I discourage discussing who is to blame for the
> situation, as that will likely be a distraction at best, and cause anger and division at worst.
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Your question was "How is this related to our soaring vendors business?" Getting vaccinated, what works and what doesn't, is VERY relevant to that question. If talking about what doesn't work is "blame" then so be it. Unless we are honest with ourselves we can't fix what is wrong.

Tom

[[email protected]]

It's amusing to see somebody extol the virtue of Tony Fauci as some sort of oracle.