Poberenzy retaking EAA helm

[Tedstriker]

Is this article true?


Paul Poberezny Retakes Presidency of EAA
Fri, 01 Apr '05

04.01.05 Special Edition: EAA Founder Paul Poberezny surprised the
aviation world with the announcement that he has retaken the
Presidency of EAA.



Leaving retirement, the Senior Poberezny cited "the renewed need for
basic grassroots support to see the Sport Pilot program through to a
proper conclusion, the experience I have with the true rank and file
of sport aviation, and the fact that I am bored out of my skull with
retirement," for the reason that he sought and claimed the Presidency
once again.

Flanked by troops comprised of some of the more militant members of
the Antique/Classic division and a smattering of warbird flyers,
Poberezny set upon EAA HQ shortly before the opening of business,
changed the locks, and let selected staff members through after
signing a loyalty pledge promising allegiance to the Association's
founder. Over the course of the day, a majority of staffers jumped
ship (minus a number of the marketing folks) and pledged their loyalty
to Paul, as well... leaving EAA running a "little leaner and a lot
less meaner" than before, according to Paul.

Former President Tom Poberezny was nowhere to be seen. Repeated
questions were met with silence until one unnamed spokesperson noted
that, "Tommy's been sent to his room..."

EAA Spokesman Dick Knapinski said the power transfer happened,
"...swiftly and with surprisingly little bloodshed." Knapinski also
noted that the Senior Poberezny is making big plans for a "new EAA"
that includes lower admission prices for the annual Oshkosh airshow, a
renewed emphasis on cost-effective and affordable aviation, and strong
support for the Sport Pilot initiative regardless of who gets the
credit for it, or who profits from it.

Poberezny, in a short interview with ANN added that, "Aviation is
taking some hard knocks from the government, an unfriendly media, and
a world that has lost much of its fascination with flight. We're going
to get back to basics, we're going to support the grassroots of
aviation, and we'll grow slowly from there. If aviation can rediscover
its roots, maybe we can get the rest of the world interested, again,
in aviation."

[Montblack]

("Tedstriker" wrote)
> Is this article true?
>
>
> Paul Poberezny Retakes Presidency of EAA
> Fri, 01 Apr '05
>
> 04.01.05 Special Edition: EAA Founder Paul Poberezny surprised the
> aviation world with the announcement that he has retaken the
> Presidency of EAA.


Let's see...

Blah, blah, blah, Praetorian Guard, blah, blah, blah.

Yup. It's true :-)


Montblack

[RST Engineering]

Look vewwy, vewwy cwosley at the dateline.

Jim



"Tedstriker" > wrote in message
...
> Is this article true?
>
>
> Paul Poberezny Retakes Presidency of EAA
> Fri, 01 Apr '05
>
> 04.01.05 Special Edition:

[Tedstriker]

On Mon, 23 May 2005 15:59:38 -0700, "RST Engineering"
> wrote:

>Look vewwy, vewwy cwosley at the dateline.
>
>Jim
>
>
I see it was dated at the beginning of April, but I don't follow you.
What are you getting at? With ole Zoomer writing it, and after all the
beef he's had with SNF, I don't know if this is truthful or some wierd
type of propaganda. The EAA website says nothing about it. And I have
seen nothing written anywhere else about this either. So I begin to
wonder. hmm..

[John Ammeter]

Uh, Ted... Have you EVER heard of an April Fool's Joke??

John



On Mon, 23 May 2005 20:28:26 -0400, Tedstriker
> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 May 2005 15:59:38 -0700, "RST Engineering"
> wrote:
>
>>Look vewwy, vewwy cwosley at the dateline.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
>I see it was dated at the beginning of April, but I don't follow you.
>What are you getting at? With ole Zoomer writing it, and after all the
>beef he's had with SNF, I don't know if this is truthful or some wierd
>type of propaganda. The EAA website says nothing about it. And I have
>seen nothing written anywhere else about this either. So I begin to
>wonder. hmm..

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Tedstriker says...

>I see it was dated at the beginning of April, but I don't follow you.
>What are you getting at? With ole Zoomer writing it, and after all the
>beef he's had with SNF, I don't know if this is truthful or some wierd
>type of propaganda. The EAA website says nothing about it. And I have
>seen nothing written anywhere else about this either. So I begin to
>wonder. hmm..

I realize that it's hard to tell fact from fiction on ANN but in this case
it's an Aporil Fools joke. It's almost as funny as the time zoom said he landed
a Christen Eagle in a 48 mph X wind.Sad part it wasn't April Fools Day...

Happy New Year

Chuck S RAH=15/1 ret

[Tedstriker]

On 23 May 2005 18:16:56 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>In article >, Tedstriker says...
>
>>I see it was dated at the beginning of April, but I don't follow you.
>>What are you getting at? With ole Zoomer writing it, and after all the
>>beef he's had with SNF, I don't know if this is truthful or some wierd
>>type of propaganda. The EAA website says nothing about it. And I have
>>seen nothing written anywhere else about this either. So I begin to
>>wonder. hmm..
>
>I realize that it's hard to tell fact from fiction on ANN but in this case
>it's an Aporil Fools joke. It's almost as funny as the time zoom said he landed
>a Christen Eagle in a 48 mph X wind.Sad part it wasn't April Fools Day...
>
>Happy New Year
>
>Chuck S RAH=15/1 ret


April fools, that one went right over my head. It was such great
sounding news, I wanted to believe it. In this case, it would have
been so nice if what he wrote had actually happened. At least he sees
some of the same problems at EAA as others do.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Ammeter says...
>
>Uh, Ted... Have you EVER heard of an April Fool's Joke??
>
>John

Hey John

Here's another one from the zoomer except it's not April fools day LOL!!
This is reprinted from todays ANN edition. Let's see if we can find the
difference between perception and reality and play the "who's zooming who game"
!! I'll start, here's what zoom wrote:

"testing incredible new aircraft that had never flown before in any form,

Chuck ...I think he's zooming us ....

Announcer.... buuuut maybe Chucks wrong so who's telling the truth? Chuck or
zoom?

Announcer.....OK contestants make your pick. (Sound of ticking clock )

Announcer.....Ahh the results are in!! 99 out of 100 contestants picked
Chuck as the one telling the truth.Only one ,a guy named jaun
said zoom wasn't zooming anyone.

So if zoom can prove what he said was true jaun will win an all expense paid
trip to PR.
It's now up to zoom ...OK zoom what company did you perform test flying for?
What were the names of the planes? and dates of the tests? All those answers
should be in your logs.. (Sound of ticking clock) OK zoom are you ready? ah zoom
the answer please....Jim? where are you? No jaun you can't answer for him!! OK
zoom, name just one company you acted as test pilot for..Zoom? can you hear me?
OK,OK already ,no need to call a lawyer ,just prove what you wrote was true
....that's all...(Clock still ticking) .....

BEEEEEEP!!!!

Announcer : Well the time has run out and zoom couldn't prove what he wrote
was true. Sorry jaun,nice try. Sorry zoom you lose...WHAT!! your
calling the authorities ?? I should govern myself accordingly??
CAG what the heck is a CAG?? Are you nuts???.......
__________________________________________________ ______________________________
Beginning of excerpt from ANN story by zoom Campbell.

....blasting through the
Mojave desert at well over Mach One, or boogying along at
400-500kph--wingtip to wingtip in a flight of nearly a dozen
Snowbirds, freefalling-all alone-from nearly ten miles up, testing
incredible new aircraft that had never flown before in any form,
fighting the good fight alongside my friend and hero Bob Hoover,
dogfighting with Scott Anderson F-16 to F-16 (I miss you,
Scott...), practical joke after practical joke after practical
joke with Randy Gagne, doing inverted spin after inverted spin with
Bob Herendeen and laughing our asses off with the fun of it all,
flying an impossibly tight formation with the irrepressible Jim
Moser (so close I could touch him if the canopy hadn't been
in the way) and trading really sick jokes over the radio all the
while with one of the most amazing guys I EVER met, telling a
wonderful girl that I loved her while doing a barrel roll around
the moon, freefalling through the blackness of 2 a.m. on
a full moon with seven other skydivers lit only by man in
the moon and the chem-lights taped to our jumpsuits, landing
an ultralight on the island that supports the Statue of Liberty,
looping side-by-side in TIGHT formation with Jack Britton, flying
another Dac from coast to coast and having more adventures than any
person has a right to, fighting for my fellow flyers against those
who would harm them, aerobatically representing President Reagan
and the Air and Space Bicentennial at airshow after airshow,
kissing yet another very pretty girl underneath a red Staggerwing
at Oshkosh under a nearly full moon, logging dozens of hours
of Zero-Gravity time among some of the finest people I've ever
worked with, chasing SpaceShips and recording history from an
unbelievable vantage point... so many memories, so many highs (and
a few bizarre lows), and I thank God I'm not quite all the

End of excerpt
__________________________________________________ ______________________________

Now it's your turn to play 'who's zooming who"

See ya

Chuck (been zoomed and survived) S RAH-15/1 ret

"Credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Tedstriker says...
>
>April fools, that one went right over my head. It was such great
>sounding news, I wanted to believe it. In this case, it would have
>been so nice if what he wrote had actually happened. At least he sees
>some of the same problems at EAA as others do.
>

Yeah it would be nice.But you can do what a lot of us did and joined Paul's new
organization the SAA (Sport Aircraft Association) and that's no April Fool.It's
kinda like the old days of EAA.

See ya

Chuck S SSA #708

[John Ousterhout]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> Here's another one from the zoomer except it's not April fools day LOL!!
> This is reprinted from todays ANN edition.
> __________________________________________________ ______________________________
> Beginning of excerpt from ANN story by zoom Campbell.
>
> ...blasting through the
> Mojave desert at well over Mach One, or boogying along at
> 400-500kph--wingtip to wingtip in a flight of nearly a dozen
> Snowbirds, freefalling-all alone-from nearly ten miles up, testing
> incredible new aircraft that had never flown before in any form,
> fighting the good fight alongside my friend and hero Bob Hoover,
> dogfighting with Scott Anderson F-16 to F-16 (I miss you,
> Scott...), practical joke after practical joke after practical
> joke with Randy Gagne, doing inverted spin after inverted spin with
> Bob Herendeen and laughing our asses off with the fun of it all,
> flying an impossibly tight formation with the irrepressible Jim
> Moser (so close I could touch him if the canopy hadn't been
> in the way) and trading really sick jokes over the radio all the
> while with one of the most amazing guys I EVER met, telling a
> wonderful girl that I loved her while doing a barrel roll around
> the moon, freefalling through the blackness of 2 a.m. on
> a full moon with seven other skydivers lit only by man in
> the moon and the chem-lights taped to our jumpsuits, landing
> an ultralight on the island that supports the Statue of Liberty,
> looping side-by-side in TIGHT formation with Jack Britton, flying
> another Dac from coast to coast and having more adventures than any
> person has a right to, fighting for my fellow flyers against those
> who would harm them, aerobatically representing President Reagan
> and the Air and Space Bicentennial at airshow after airshow,
> kissing yet another very pretty girl underneath a red Staggerwing
> at Oshkosh under a nearly full moon, logging dozens of hours
> of Zero-Gravity time among some of the finest people I've ever
> worked with, chasing SpaceShips and recording history from an
> unbelievable vantage point... so many memories, so many highs (and
> a few bizarre lows), and I thank God I'm not quite all the
>
> End of excerpt
> __________________________________________________ ______________________________
>


Anyone who had done all of that would have the respect of his peers and
be in the EAA Hall of Fame.

- J.O.-

[Tedstriker]

On 24 May 2005 06:06:02 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>In article >, Tedstriker says...
>>
>>April fools, that one went right over my head. It was such great
>>sounding news, I wanted to believe it. In this case, it would have
>>been so nice if what he wrote had actually happened. At least he sees
>>some of the same problems at EAA as others do.
>>
>
>Yeah it would be nice.But you can do what a lot of us did and joined Paul's new
>organization the SAA (Sport Aircraft Association) and that's no April Fool.It's
>kinda like the old days of EAA.
>
>See ya
>
>Chuck S SSA #708


Sounds great. I did a web search and it seems they don't have a
website yet. I guess they haven't got to that level. How does one
join? Is there a link to it from the EAA site?

[Paul Dow (Remove Caps in mail address)]

There is a web site http://www.sportaviation.org

Tedstriker wrote:
> On 24 May 2005 06:06:02 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> > wrote:
>
>
>>In article >, Tedstriker says...
>>
>>>April fools, that one went right over my head. It was such great
>>>sounding news, I wanted to believe it. In this case, it would have
>>>been so nice if what he wrote had actually happened. At least he sees
>>>some of the same problems at EAA as others do.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah it would be nice.But you can do what a lot of us did and joined Paul's new
>>organization the SAA (Sport Aircraft Association) and that's no April Fool.It's
>>kinda like the old days of EAA.
>>
>>See ya
>>
>>Chuck S SSA #708
>
>
>
> Sounds great. I did a web search and it seems they don't have a
> website yet. I guess they haven't got to that level. How does one
> join? Is there a link to it from the EAA site?

[[email protected]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, John Ammeter
says...
> >
> >Uh, Ted... Have you EVER heard of an April Fool's Joke??
> >
> >John
>
> Hey John
>
> Here's another one from the zoomer except it's not April fools day
LOL!!
> This is reprinted from todays ANN edition. Let's see if we can find
the
> difference between perception and reality and play the "who's zooming
who game"
> !! I'll start, here's what zoom wrote:
>
> "testing incredible new aircraft that had never flown before in any
form,
>
> Chuck ...I think he's zooming us ....
>
> Announcer.... buuuut maybe Chucks wrong so who's telling the truth?
Chuck or
> zoom?
>
> Announcer.....OK contestants make your pick. (Sound of ticking clock
)
>
> Announcer.....Ahh the results are in!! 99 out of 100 contestants
picked
> Chuck as the one telling the truth.Only one ,a guy
named jaun
> said zoom wasn't zooming anyone.
>
> So if zoom can prove what he said was true jaun will win an all
expense paid
> trip to PR.
> It's now up to zoom ...OK zoom what company did you perform test
flying for?
> What were the names of the planes? and dates of the tests? All those
answers
> should be in your logs.. (Sound of ticking clock) OK zoom are you
ready? ah zoom
> the answer please....Jim? where are you? No jaun you can't answer
for him!! OK
> zoom, name just one company you acted as test pilot for..Zoom? can
you hear me?
> OK,OK already ,no need to call a lawyer ,just prove what you wrote
was true
> ...that's all...(Clock still ticking) .....
>
> BEEEEEEP!!!!
>
> Announcer : Well the time has run out and zoom couldn't prove what he
wrote
> was true. Sorry jaun,nice try. Sorry zoom you
lose...WHAT!! your
> calling the authorities ?? I should govern myself
accordingly??
> CAG what the heck is a CAG?? Are you nuts???.......
>
__________________________________________________ ______________________________
> Beginning of excerpt from ANN story by zoom Campbell.
>
> ...blasting through the
> Mojave desert at well over Mach One, or boogying along at
> 400-500kph--wingtip to wingtip in a flight of nearly a dozen
> Snowbirds, freefalling-all alone-from nearly ten miles up
>
__________________________________________________ ______________________________
>
> Now it's your turn to play 'who's zooming who"
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (been zoomed and survived) S RAH-15/1 ret
>
> "Credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s


Hey Chuck,
Sounds like the mooz has been forgetting to medicate himself again.
Anderson, Gagne, Moser, Herendeen aren't they all dead I guess that we
can't ask them for the truth. Hoover is sorta alive and I don't know
about Britton, President Reagan is for sure dead.

Isn't this the same kind of zzzoomy bull sh*t that cost him his
medical before. I think the parts that he left out would be more
interesting.How about impersonating a Doctor,losing your medical for
being for being as one person said "Looney tunes",shot in the back
flying relief supplies in Ethiopia,shot in the leg breaking up a
rape,shrapnel wounds in the face from Viet Nam. We know that you know
the truth about what happened at My Lai of course you were the youngest
troop there I believe you were eight years old when that went down.
Crashing the AT-6 while flying the airshow at Arlington, hurt your back
again on that one and on and on...

You have absolutly no credibility. Even though most everyone knows as
a fact that you have a major screw loose you continue to spew you high
order bovine excrement. Increase the Prozac dosage and crawl back into
your fantasy world and of course take your phoney pal yawn with you.

Frank M.Hitlaw, Zoomed early and often (I get my 15 year pin this
December)
Jakarta ,Indonesia

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <eDGke.5474$Is4.1332@attbi_s21>, John Ousterhout says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> Here's another one from the zoomer except it's not April fools day LOL!!
>> This is reprinted from todays ANN edition.
>>__________________________________________________ ______________________________
>> Beginning of excerpt from ANN story by zoom Campbell.
>>
>> ...blasting through the
>> Mojave desert at well over Mach One, or boogying along at
>> 400-500kph--wingtip to wingtip in a flight of nearly a dozen
>> Snowbirds, freefalling-all alone-from nearly ten miles up, testing
>> incredible new aircraft that had never flown before in any form,
>> fighting the good fight alongside my friend and hero Bob Hoover,
>> dogfighting with Scott Anderson F-16 to F-16 (I miss you,
>> Scott...), practical joke after practical joke after practical
>> joke with Randy Gagne, doing inverted spin after inverted spin with
>> Bob Herendeen and laughing our asses off with the fun of it all,
>> flying an impossibly tight formation with the irrepressible Jim
>> Moser (so close I could touch him if the canopy hadn't been
>> in the way) and trading really sick jokes over the radio all the
>> while with one of the most amazing guys I EVER met, telling a
>> wonderful girl that I loved her while doing a barrel roll around
>> the moon, freefalling through the blackness of 2 a.m. on
>> a full moon with seven other skydivers lit only by man in
>> the moon and the chem-lights taped to our jumpsuits, landing
>> an ultralight on the island that supports the Statue of Liberty,
>> looping side-by-side in TIGHT formation with Jack Britton, flying
>> another Dac from coast to coast and having more adventures than any
>> person has a right to, fighting for my fellow flyers against those
>> who would harm them, aerobatically representing President Reagan
>> and the Air and Space Bicentennial at airshow after airshow,
>> kissing yet another very pretty girl underneath a red Staggerwing
>> at Oshkosh under a nearly full moon, logging dozens of hours
>> of Zero-Gravity time among some of the finest people I've ever
>> worked with, chasing SpaceShips and recording history from an
>> unbelievable vantage point... so many memories, so many highs (and
>> a few bizarre lows), and I thank God I'm not quite all the
>>
>> End of excerpt
>>__________________________________________________ ______________________________
>>
>
>
>Anyone who had done all of that would have the respect of his peers and
>be in the EAA Hall of Fame.

Gee John are you saying he doesn't and he isn't?? What a shock!! What don't you
believe ? The sky diving story? I thought lots of skydivers went out from 10
miles up ..OH WAIT that's 52,800 feet!! Wonder how many other guys have done
that ? What kind of plane got him there? Must be a record of FAA clearances
before someone exits from that height.There somewhere to check this out? Lets
ask jaun I'm sure he believes it and he's an ace reporter and I bet he can prove
it if zoom won't NOT :-)

I knew zoom couldn't last too much longer before he tooted his imaginary horn
and started spouting the phony things he claims to have done .Although the
Red Staggerwing was a new twist LOL!!!


Chuck (I actually did some real things) S RAH-14/1 ret

"If I wrote it I did it!!" j campbell to c. slusarczyk at SnF

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...
>
> Hey Chuck,
> Sounds like the mooz has been forgetting to medicate himself again.

I was wondering how long it would be before he started telling his tall tales
again.Must be embarresing for Kevin trying to explain it to advertisers LOL!!!


>Anderson, Gagne, Moser, Herendeen aren't they all dead I guess that we
>can't ask them for the truth. Hoover is sorta alive and I don't know
>about Britton, President Reagan is for sure dead.

Britton is also deceased as is Reagan ,funny, zoom seems to know more dead
people then the average guy :-)
>
> Isn't this the same kind of zzzoomy bull sh*t that cost him his
>medical before. I think the parts that he left out would be more
>interesting.How about impersonating a Doctor,losing your medical for
>being for being as one person said "Looney tunes",shot in the back
>flying relief supplies in Ethiopia,shot in the leg breaking up a
>rape,shrapnel wounds in the face from Viet Nam. We know that you know
>the truth about what happened at My Lai of course you were the youngest
>troop there I believe you were eight years old when that went down.
>Crashing the AT-6 while flying the airshow at Arlington, hurt your back
>again on that one and on and on...

Ah yes and we can't forget his "son" and the girl he met on her X country
flight and found out she died in an airplane crash. and how he landed next to
her grave in a J-3 Cub .Then upon departure he performed the best slow roll he
ever did in her honor as he flew away into the sunset. It was touching ...a lie
but touching never the less :-)

I see where he's asking people to write and commnt on the articles on ANN .Bet
he'd never print mine LOL!!! or yours for that matter, or John's or Rileys or
Sleepy 6's or Rons or Porters or Walts or Grunlohs or ...or or and the list goes
on

See ya

Chuck S

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>
>>:I see where he's asking people to write and commnt on the articles on ANN .Bet
>:he'd never print mine LOL!!! or yours for that matter, or John's or Rileys or
>:Sleepy 6's or Rons or Porters or Walts or Grunlohs or ...or or and the list
>goes
>:on
>
>Au contraire. He's printed several over the years - he just didn't
>know it.

Oh yeah seems there was a letter from a service man .But I bet he wouldn't print
one in our names especially if I asked who he was a test pilot for. He made it a
point to mention that it would be moderated and in "zoom speak" that means he
will censor anything he doesn't like. LOL!!!
See ya

Chuck (Shakey Jake )S RAH-14/1 ret

[Corky Scott]

On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:40:32 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>Why - why - he'd be Chuck "El Pollo Loco" Slusarczyk, and not a
>failed, psychotic, wanna-be junior birdman running a blog out of his
>spare bedroom.

Correction Richard, he isn't psychotic, he's been diagnosed with a
neurosis. "Neurotics build castles in the sky, psychotics live in
them and psychiatrists collect the rent". From "The making of a
psychiatrist".

Corky Scott

[GeorgeB]

On 24 May 2005 17:30:14 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>I thought lots of skydivers went out from 10
>miles up ..OH WAIT that's 52,800 feet!!

These are airplanes ... knots and nautical miles, not mph and statute
miles ... <g> that's closer to 60,761 ft
Surely ZZZZZZZZZZZZ knows that.

[Corky Scott]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 06:29:20 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>I agree that was the diagnosis, I just don't agree *with* the
>diagnosis.
>
>Read the thing on ANN that Chuck excerpted. That's more than a rich
>fantasy life. He's created in his mind years worth of experience that
>never happened, including the most significant points in his life. He
>then - on the basis of those imaginary experiences - claims superior
>status or expertise, to give himself authority other people. He tries
>to extract praise, obedience and money from them. If they refuse, he
>tries to destroy them. Occasionally he succeeds.
>
>That's not someone who's afraid of cats, or who refuses to drive on
>the freeway.
>
>Maybe the psychiatric community accepts behavior like his as neurotic.
>OTOH, his exams were before he started trying to impose his will on
>other people, so they didn't see those things.

Maybe, maybe not. There are many definitions of "Neurosis", one of
which follows: A neurosis is an faulty thought pattern or emotional
problem caused by conflicts within the mind. Unlike psychosis, it does
not involve a greatly distorted perception of reality, or
disintegration of the personality.

Neurosis is a very broad-blanket term which covers many types of
mental health problem. The most common neurosis is Anxiety, which
itself has many subtypes (see article on Anxiety).

Depressive illness is also a disorder involving neuroses.

*** end of quote***

Given that definition, and understanding that Jim was diagnosed with a
very specific type of neurosis I tend to think of him as having a
neurosis rather than being psychotic.

On the other hand, following is a generic definition of "Psychosis":

Psychotic disorders include severe mental disorders which are
characterized by extreme impairment of a person's ability to think
clearly, respond emotionally, communicate effectively, understand
reality, and behave appropriately. Psychotic symptoms can be seen in
teenagers with a number of serious mental illnesses, such as
depression, bi-polar disorder (manic-depression), schizophrenia, and
with some forms of drug and alcohol abuse. Psychotic symptoms
interfere with a person’s daily functioning and can be quite
debilitating. Psychotic symptoms include delusions and hallucinations.

Delusion: A false, fixed, odd, or unusual belief firmly held by the
patient. The belief is not ordinarily accepted by other members of the
person’s culture or subculture. There are delusions of paranoia
(others are plotting against them), grandiose delusions (exaggerated
ideas of one's importance or identity), and somatic delusions (a
healthy person believing that he/she has a terminal illness).

***end of quote***

Paying attention to the last paragraph, it appears to accurately sum
up our subject ZZZZZZZZZ. But there are degrees of everything. He
could be severely neurotic, or mildly psychotic.

I used to wonder how crazy, crazy people were until I worked for about
a year in a mental hospital while I was in college. The people who
were in there were, for the most part, diagnosed psychotics, although
there were often people suffering from neurosis too. The difference
between how most of these people behaved and "ordinary people" was so
strikingly off kilter from the "norm" that very few lay persons would
not notice. One of the interesting aspects of the hospital was that
it was one of the first to treat alcoholics as a mental illness, they
mingled with the psychotics and neurotics freely.

Trust me, neurosis is a problem that can be as severe and debilitating
as psychosis. I met a very sweet grandmother there who's family was
wonderfully supportive and visited her often. They were equally as
nice as she was. She was one of my favorite people on the unit and I
looked for her whenever I came to work. One day she sighed and said
that she guessed she should think about getting out into the real
world. I had no idea why she was there, we weren't allowed to read
the Doctors notes, so I tried to be supportive (she was being positive
after all). She then shivered and confided that she just wished she
could get over her BIG fear. I had no idea what she was talking about
and asked what she meant. Could it be the stigma of neighbors knowing
you were in a mental hospital? No, she responded, now really
shivering, "I am afraid of being killed by the people who eliminate
the undesirables."

I was stunned, I felt like I'd just entered the Twilight Zone. I
attempted to persuade her that she was mistaken but succeeded only in
making her more upset. I left the room and did not bring the subject
up again.

She was released about a week later. Perhaps a month after that, I
was told that she had committed suicide.

She was not psychotic, she was neurotic. So neurosis can be a
powerful illness, just like psychosis. Jim's neurosis (remember Jim,
in case you are reading this, you WERE diagnosed as having a
particular neurosis, this is public knowledge) may be very powerful.

Corky Scott

[Montblack]

("Corky Scott" wrote)
[snip]
> Maybe, maybe not. There are many definitions of "Neurosis", one of
> which follows: A neurosis is an faulty thought pattern or emotional
> problem caused by conflicts within the mind. Unlike psychosis, it does
> not involve a greatly distorted perception of reality, or
> disintegration of the personality.
>
> Neurosis is a very broad-blanket term which covers many types of
> mental health problem. The most common neurosis is Anxiety, which
> itself has many subtypes (see article on Anxiety).
>
> Depressive illness is also a disorder involving neuroses.
>
> *** end of quote***


Narcissism is another of those broad-blanket terms, yet I didn't see it
here. Wonder if there's room/need for it in this discussion about Z?


Montblack

[Corky Scott]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:48 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>And here we agree. I don't think there is a clear line and Z may well
>fall in a grey area between the two, as I read the DSMIV.

Well then since we seem to agree, all that's left is to have Zoomer
examined by a qualified psychiatrist for a proper and current
diagnosis and TREATMENT.

The good doctor should of course review Chucks evidence, it's
information he would need in order to understand what's been going on
in Zoom's mind, and the lengths to which he's willing to mess with
people's lives.

Zoomer'd agree to be examined, right? Neurotics/psychotics know they
need help, right...?

Corky Scott

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Corky Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:48 -0700, Richard Riley
> > wrote:
>
>
>>And here we agree. I don't think there is a clear line and Z may well
>>fall in a grey area between the two, as I read the DSMIV.
>
>
> Well then since we seem to agree, all that's left is to have Zoomer
> examined by a qualified psychiatrist for a proper and current
> diagnosis and TREATMENT.
>
> The good doctor should of course review Chucks evidence, it's
> information he would need in order to understand what's been going on
> in Zoom's mind, and the lengths to which he's willing to mess with
> people's lives.
>
> Zoomer'd agree to be examined, right? Neurotics/psychotics know they
> need help, right...?
>
> Corky Scott

In Florida we have the Baker Act where someone who is a clear danger to
himself or others can be involuntarily committed. It seems to me someone
making claims which others may take as fact, he does present himself as
an expert, can fool someone into doing something dangerous. If he
believes his lies he may try something stupid like landing an airplane
in a grave yard.

Just think of the look on zoom's face if someone could make a case and
they went to pick him up.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Corky Scott says...
>
>On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:48 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:
>
>>And here we agree. I don't think there is a clear line and Z may well
>>fall in a grey area between the two, as I read the DSMIV.
>
>Well then since we seem to agree, all that's left is to have Zoomer
>examined by a qualified psychiatrist for a proper and current
>diagnosis and TREATMENT.
>
>The good doctor should of course review Chucks evidence, it's
>information he would need in order to understand what's been going on
>in Zoom's mind, and the lengths to which he's willing to mess with
>people's lives.
>
>Zoomer'd agree to be examined, right? Neurotics/psychotics know they
>need help, right...?


All I can say is "Have testimony will Travel" be it to a psychiatrist or on a
witness chair ....I'm ready ,willing and able :-)If zoom has to testify during
the SnF case I'll fly down on my own dime and if not called to testify I'll sit
in the peanut gallery just to watch him explain his flights in Etheopia,test
flying etc., etc...It will be a hoot!! :-)

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>And here we agree. I don't think there is a clear line and Z may well
>fall in a grey area between the two, as I read the DSMIV. But when
>writing for a lay audience you have to embrace their understanding of
>the terms if you want to communicate effectively with them. I think
>the wider understanding of "neruotic" is a person with delusions that
>are harmless. A "psychotic" is someone with delusions that hurts
>themselves or others. Not completely in agreement with the
>professional's definition, but worthwhile nonetheless. In the
>popular press, a neruotic man doesn't stab 6 people in the lobby of
>the Howard Johnson's - it's a psychotic that does that. A neruotic
>might have a dislike of the habidasher downtown, a psychotic complains
>to the FBI about him. Again, this is in the general, lay
>understandings of the words.
>
>Dr. Z claims the habidasher sends him bomb threats.

Thanks guys for the enlightening dissertation .Thanks to you I now have an idea
of the difference between a "psychotic" and a "neurotic" . Not always the
habidasher sometimes it's the terrorists that hang out at my booth at the
air shows :-)


Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"some people are psychotic or neurotic and some are just nuts" chuck s

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Corky Scott says...
>
>>On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:48 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And here we agree. I don't think there is a clear line and Z may well
>>>fall in a grey area between the two, as I read the DSMIV.
>>
>>Well then since we seem to agree, all that's left is to have Zoomer
>>examined by a qualified psychiatrist for a proper and current
>>diagnosis and TREATMENT.
>>
>>The good doctor should of course review Chucks evidence, it's
>>information he would need in order to understand what's been going on
>>in Zoom's mind, and the lengths to which he's willing to mess with
>>people's lives.
>>
>>Zoomer'd agree to be examined, right? Neurotics/psychotics know they
>>need help, right...?
>
>
>
> All I can say is "Have testimony will Travel" be it to a psychiatrist or on a
> witness chair ....I'm ready ,willing and able :-)If zoom has to testify during
> the SnF case I'll fly down on my own dime and if not called to testify I'll sit
> in the peanut gallery just to watch him explain his flights in Etheopia,test
> flying etc., etc...It will be a hoot!! :-)
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
Let's hope it happens :) I'd pay good money for a copy of the video tapes.

What would have been almost as amusing would is his showing up at
Pinckneyville. :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force

[John Ammeter]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 20:07:34 -0500, "Dan, U.S. Air Force,
retired" > wrote:

>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> In article >, Corky Scott says...
>>
>>>On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:48 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And here we agree. I don't think there is a clear line and Z may well
>>>>fall in a grey area between the two, as I read the DSMIV.
>>>
>>>Well then since we seem to agree, all that's left is to have Zoomer
>>>examined by a qualified psychiatrist for a proper and current
>>>diagnosis and TREATMENT.
>>>
>>>The good doctor should of course review Chucks evidence, it's
>>>information he would need in order to understand what's been going on
>>>in Zoom's mind, and the lengths to which he's willing to mess with
>>>people's lives.
>>>
>>>Zoomer'd agree to be examined, right? Neurotics/psychotics know they
>>>need help, right...?
>>
>>
>>
>> All I can say is "Have testimony will Travel" be it to a psychiatrist or on a
>> witness chair ....I'm ready ,willing and able :-)If zoom has to testify during
>> the SnF case I'll fly down on my own dime and if not called to testify I'll sit
>> in the peanut gallery just to watch him explain his flights in Etheopia,test
>> flying etc., etc...It will be a hoot!! :-)
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>
>Let's hope it happens :) I'd pay good money for a copy of the video tapes.
>
>What would have been almost as amusing would is his showing up at
>Pinckneyville. :)
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force


His picture has been there.... I'll let you guess where it
appeared.....

John Ammeter

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Ammeter says...

>>What would have been almost as amusing would is his showing up at
>>Pinckneyville. :)
>>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force
>
>
>His picture has been there.... I'll let you guess where it
>appeared.....

As I recall it was truly a place of honor, a place of distinkshun,a true throne
room, a ,a , ah Shrine!! Yeah that's it!! a folksy kind of Shrine, a place where
all came to visually pay homage to the likeness of his zoominess. Where gifts
were left in his honor, especially after the corn roast.

Where after a meal of Baked Beans and beer the sounds of salutes and cannonades
could be heard firing away in his honor from the Shrine. A veritable 21 gun
salute at times. Twas truly awe inspiring and the fragrance was unforgettable.


I'll never forget the honor guard of ILKS,standing in line at the Shrine waiting
their turn to wash away the dust of the day from the photos of zoom...Sort of a
RAH adaptation of the washing of the feet ceremony's except no buckets were used
and the water used was nice and warm...His photos were honored in a way he truly
deserved :-)Would be nice if he did show up so we could "honor" him in
person.... :-)

See ya

Chuck (I left many gifts)S RAH-14/1 ret

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, John Ammeter says...
>
>
>>>What would have been almost as amusing would is his showing up at
>>>Pinckneyville. :)
>>>
>>>Dan, U.S. Air Force
>>
>>
>>His picture has been there.... I'll let you guess where it
>>appeared.....
>
>
> As I recall it was truly a place of honor, a place of distinkshun,a true throne
> room, a ,a , ah Shrine!! Yeah that's it!! a folksy kind of Shrine, a place where
> all came to visually pay homage to the likeness of his zoominess. Where gifts
> were left in his honor, especially after the corn roast.
>
> Where after a meal of Baked Beans and beer the sounds of salutes and cannonades
> could be heard firing away in his honor from the Shrine. A veritable 21 gun
> salute at times. Twas truly awe inspiring and the fragrance was unforgettable.
>
>
> I'll never forget the honor guard of ILKS,standing in line at the Shrine waiting
> their turn to wash away the dust of the day from the photos of zoom...Sort of a
> RAH adaptation of the washing of the feet ceremony's except no buckets were used
> and the water used was nice and warm...His photos were honored in a way he truly
> deserved :-)Would be nice if he did show up so we could "honor" him in
> person.... :-)
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (I left many gifts)S RAH-14/1 ret
>

Awww, someone should have invited him <g>

Whomever thought that one up gets a beer from me if we ever meet :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Ed Sullivan]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 22:07:11 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>On 25 May 2005 17:46:37 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:
>
>:Not always the
>:habidasher sometimes it's the terrorists that hang out at my booth at the
>:air shows :-)
>
>I just like using the word "habidasher."
>
>
However according to the dictionary it is spelled haberdasher.

[Anthony W]

Ed Sullivan wrote:
>>:Not always the
>>:habidasher sometimes it's the terrorists that hang out at my booth at the
>>:air shows :-)
>>
>>I just like using the word "habidasher."
>>
>>
>
> However according to the dictionary it is spelled haberdasher.


Anyway you spell it, zoomer comes out a mad-hatter. He must be putting
to much mercury on his corn flakes.

Tony

[[email protected]]

Frank, be extra careful over there, would you? Aunt Jemahma is acting
all crazy again.

[[email protected]]

Steven,

I know, I got the hint when I had some business at the U.S. Embassy
and it was closed. I am registered with them but they didn't notify me
that anything was up. So much for your government in action. The Expat
grapevine works pretty good and we generally know when something is is
the air and the air is very heavy lately. This is the first time I
heard the evacuation rumor, that my friend is an attention getter.

Frank Hitlaw, zoomed and hopefully not boomed !
Jakarta ,Indonesia

[[email protected]]

Hey Chuckles;

Just read on the Awful News Nutwork that the ANN "AWARD WINNING" news
bug will be up and running soon.Please tell me how did it win an award
before it was even launched? "Oh yawn take some petty cash go down to
Ace trophies pick up something and award it to us". I remember him
writing in his barnstorming column when he worked for Challenge
publications how he was going to write a book and it would a Pulitzer
winner.As awards go I'd say he is pretty much " 0 for life".

Frank M Hitlaw,(Zoomed with two civil suits and one criminal A&B charge
against me and I won them all with out an lawyer.)
Jakarta ,Indonesia

[Montblack]

wrote)
[snip]
> As awards go I'd say he is pretty much " 0 for life".


Or like the line in the movie Meet the Fockers (2004)

"I didn't know they made 9th place ribbons."

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/meet_the_fockers/medium_mtf_3.html
(Focker movie trailer)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/meet_the_fockers/medium_mtf_3.html
(Other Focker movie trailer options)


Montblack

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article om>,
says...
>
>Hey Chuckles;
>
>Just read on the Awful News Nutwork that the ANN "AWARD WINNING" news
>bug will be up and running soon.Please tell me how did it win an award
>before it was even launched?

The usual way zoom made it up or he awarded it to himself. ANN awarded zoom with
an award and now it's an "award winning " news source. I don't know of any
awards zoom has ever won LOL!!



"Oh yawn take some petty cash go down to
>Ace trophies pick up something and award it to us". I remember him
>writing in his barnstorming column when he worked for Challenge
>publications how he was going to write a book and it would a Pulitzer
>winner.

I remember that and I'm still waiting just like Charlie Porter is still waiting
for zoom to show up for the aerobatic competition. I want to know more about the
parachute jump from almost 10 miles up that he claimed.


>As awards go I'd say he is pretty much " 0 for life".

That's a fact..

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


>
>Frank M Hitlaw,(Zoomed with two civil suits and one criminal A&B charge
>against me and I won them all with out an lawyer.)
>Jakarta ,Indonesia
>

[John Ammeter]

On 27 May 2005 09:03:57 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:


>I remember that and I'm still waiting just like Charlie Porter is still waiting
>for zoom to show up for the aerobatic competition. I want to know more about the
>parachute jump from almost 10 miles up that he claimed.
>
>
>>As awards go I'd say he is pretty much " 0 for life".
>
>That's a fact..
>
>See ya
>
>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>


Chuck,

You obviously haven't really learned to understand Zoom....

"almost 10 miles up" can be any altitude up to and including
10 miles. Why yesterday I was on the roof of my house,
almost 10 miles up...

Of course, if he had actually done the jump, that might
explain some of his actions. The lack of oxygen at over
50,000 feet would certainly have destroyed most of his
cognitive brain cells... WAIT, maybe he DID do the jump!!

I remember one time at the Arlington Airfair when he spent
the better part of an hour walking about the Fair grounds
with a parachute strapped to his back. Kind of reminded me
of a Company Christmas Party a few years ago.... the wife of
one of the employee's who worked at a rest home cleaning out
bed pans came to the party wearing a white outfit complete
with a stethoscope hanging around her neck.

You know, when you ARE someone you don't have to tell the
world about it, it's already known....

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Ammeter says...
>You obviously haven't really learned to understand Zoom....
>
>"almost 10 miles up" can be any altitude up to and including
>10 miles. Why yesterday I was on the roof of my house,
>almost 10 miles up...
>
>Of course, if he had actually done the jump, that might
>explain some of his actions. The lack of oxygen at over
>50,000 feet would certainly have destroyed most of his
>cognitive brain cells... WAIT, maybe he DID do the jump!!
>
>I remember one time at the Arlington Airfair when he spent
>the better part of an hour walking about the Fair grounds
>with a parachute strapped to his back. Kind of reminded me
>of a Company Christmas Party a few years ago.... the wife of
>one of the employee's who worked at a rest home cleaning out
>bed pans came to the party wearing a white outfit complete
>with a stethoscope hanging around her neck.
>
>You know, when you ARE someone you don't have to tell the
>world about it, it's already known....

I remember you telling us about the parachute incident it's still funny.
I just e mailed an organization that would know what it takes to do a high
altitude jump .As soon as I hear from them I'll post it here
This is a site that describes what it takes to jump from 30,000 '
www.batnet.com/mfwright/30Kjumps.html

I think they removed his article from the back issues already .I tried to find
it on the ANN site and it said the article wasn't there. Hmmm wonder if it
embarrassed someone there ? LOL!!!

See ya

Chuck S

[[email protected]]

It's still there, you just have to chage the search dates to open up
May 24

http://evilurl.com/crapTURD

[prize committee]

On 27 May 2005 11:13:44 -0700, wrote:

>It's still there, you just have to chage the search dates to open up
>May 24
>
>http://evilurl.com/crapTURD

We are pleased to present you an award for *the* most appropriately
worded evilurl ever, along with the title of "Award Winning Author".

Usenet Head Office

[Mark Hickey]

ChuckSlusarczyk > wrote:

>In article om>,
says...
>>
>>Hey Chuckles;
>>
>>Just read on the Awful News Nutwork that the ANN "AWARD WINNING" news
>>bug will be up and running soon.Please tell me how did it win an award
>>before it was even launched?
>
>The usual way zoom made it up or he awarded it to himself. ANN awarded zoom with
>an award and now it's an "award winning " news source. I don't know of any
>awards zoom has ever won LOL!!

Y'all are missing the obvious. You're assuming he's talking about
GOOD awards. Remember, there are also awards like the Darwin Award,
the Worst Dressed Award, etc.

He may well be telling the truth

Mark "could be" Hickey

[[email protected]]

Thanks Mark for clearing that up, you are correct that one went right
over our heads. I did however notice a telling detail in the May 24th
fantasy zzzoomy wrote. Of all the persons mentioned only Bob Hoover is
alive. With him he stood shoulder to shoulder and fought the good
fight, with all of the dead ones he flew aerobatics. I guess after
Hoover croaks we will find out that he and zoom flew many hours sharing
the controls of his Aero Commander looping rolling and spinning.

Hoover was at zooms SnF party, Chuck and I saw him there. When we went
to find zoomy to thank him for the chicken we found Hoover and zoom
together.Back behind the tent in a parking area among the vehicles
sitting on a running board of a truck was Bob Hoover. The feeling I got
was that he showed for a free dinner but didn't want to be seen in
public with zoom.How we disturbed Hoovers dinner was one of the points
he made when he wrote about it in his rag.

Yawn and zoom must have been on George W's mind, this explains why he
is so dead set against human cloning.

Frank M Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[Juan Jimenez]

"Tedstriker" > wrote in message
...
> Is this article true?
>
>
> Paul Poberezny Retakes Presidency of EAA
> Fri, 01 Apr '05

^^^^^^^^^^^

You decide. :)

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, John Ammeter
> says...
>>
>>Uh, Ted... Have you EVER heard of an April Fool's Joke??
>>
>>John
>
> Hey John
>
> Here's another one from the zoomer except it's not April fools day LOL!!

<whine, whine, whine.... that's all the pathologically lying potato head
knows how to do> :)

It's funny, my father in law's Polish, fought in WWII. We checked, he says
you're definitely not Polish. A polish picklehead maybe. hahahaha....

[[email protected]]

prize committee wrote:
> On 27 May 2005 11:13:44 -0700, wrote:
>
> >It's still there, you just have to chage the search dates to open up
> >May 24
> >
> >http://evilurl.com/crapTURD
>
> We are pleased to present you an award for *the* most appropriately
> worded evilurl ever, along with the title of "Award Winning Author".
>
> Usenet Head Office

This is so unexpected! I don't know what to say! I'd like to thank
the my agent, of course, and Zoom, who made it all possible. And the
little people, the ones with the ultralights. And my mother and
father, and my first CFI. Oh, and of course Ron Wanttajjaa, who first
introduced me to evilurls, and WAIT WITH THE MUSIC ALREADY I'M NOT DONE
YET!!!!

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...

>
>It's funny, my father in law's Polish, fought in WWII.

Another typical makes no sense comment from the associate editor of the worst
aviation publication on the planet. My Father ,Uncle Joe ,Uncle Pete ,Uncle
John,fought in WW II and my Uncle Frank was killed in action during the Battle
of the Bulge. Even for you your attempt at some kind of sick humor disgusting
and a disgrace to those who fought and died in WWII.


> We checked, he says you're definitely not Polish.

I guess if his checking is as good as yours then he's a dumb as you are.When it
comes to checking facts your record isn't very good .Remember it's about
credibility and if that's the best checking you with the help of your polish
father in law can do then you still don't have any.


> A polish picklehead maybe. hahahaha....

Maybe, but this pickle head has what you don't ....credibility.

Do you really believe that zoom jumped from a plane at almost 10 miles up? Do
you really believe that zoom was a test pilot? Do you really believe your father
in law is Polish? Do you really believe everything zoom wrote in the May 24
Barnstormer in ANN?? Really??

Chuck (I am what I am) S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
the time and jaun all of the time" chuck s