How Do You Evaluate an OLC Flight ?

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I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob

[Tony[_7_]]

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 6:29:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
The file may have a declaration embedded, but I suppose you would have to download it to read it. Other than that, there's no comparison with committing to a task. Of course there's much to be said for skillful task-setting!

[Jason Leonard]

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[Matthew Scutter]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, wrote:
> I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!

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On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, wrote:
> > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.

[Mike the Strike]

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:31 AM UTC+1, wrote:
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, wrote:
> > > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> > You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
> Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.
Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.

This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.

Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!

Mike

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On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-4, Mike the Strike wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:31 AM UTC+1, wrote:
> > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, wrote:
> > > > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> > > You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
> > Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.
> Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.
>
> This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.
>
> Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!
>
> Mike
Mike, you are on the correct path. Old Bob

[5Z]

The folks at WeGlide.org appear to be open to scoring formula and data presentation suggestions. I just asked them to somehow identify declared fights. These are often more difficult that an ad-hoc choice once in the air.

5Z

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 11:56:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-4, Mike the Strike wrote:
> > Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.
> >
> > This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.
> >
> > Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!
> >
> > Mike
> Mike, you are on the correct path. Old Bob

[Tony[_5_]]

I usually look at the circling % to analyze how difficult a particular flight was.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-4, Mike the Strike wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:31 AM UTC+1, wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, wrote:
> > > > > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> > > > You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
> > > Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.
> > Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.
> >
> > This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.
> >
> > Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!
> >
> > Mike
> Mike, you are on the correct path. Old Bob

[Moshe Braner]

On 4/28/2021 4:29 PM, 5Z wrote:
> The folks at WeGlide.org appear to be open to scoring formula and data presentation suggestions. I just asked them to somehow identify declared fights. These are often more difficult that an ad-hoc choice once in the air.
>
> 5Z


- Good idea. If there is a declaration within the flight log file (as
is now required (in the USA) rather than on paper), it is possible for
the software to check whether the declared task was completed. SeeYou
does that. A fine point is that the rules for crossing the start and
finish lines and rounding the turnpoints may differ between countries.

Remaining questions include:
* how many more points to award for completion of a declared task
* or perhaps just display the fact that it was a declared task - seems
like what you asked for
* what to do with partially-completed tasks, do they deserve any extra
points (or recognition) relative to flights with no declaration
* what to do with additional distance flown beyond the declared task

[Mark Mocho]

I look at two things in the statistics to evaluate my overall efficiency:

1- Percent of the flight spent circling
2-Average L/D

To evaluate the "fun" factor, I look at two other things:

1-Distance achieved
2-Flight duration (to determine the amount of yard work I avoided)

[2G]

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:29:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob

Bob, you would have to define "difficulty" to get a meaningful answer.

Tom

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Why must one "evaluate" others OLC flights? Why not enjoy your own flight, be impressed by what others can do in similar, or different conditions, and appreciate the beauty of this crazy sport we are all a part of?

Bob I have noticed a trend, you seem to be enthralled with putting down and/or comparing people's abilities and flights. Why worry about everyone else when you can enjoy flying and beauty of the sky?

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:33:30 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Why must one "evaluate" others OLC flights? Why not enjoy your own flight, be impressed by what others can do in similar, or different conditions, and appreciate the beauty of this crazy sport we are all a part of?
>
> Bob I have noticed a trend, you seem to be enthralled with putting down and/or comparing people's abilities and flights. Why worry about everyone else when you can enjoy flying and beauty of the sky?
Wyll, I cannot recall an instance where I have as you say, "Put Down", or compared people flights. More to the contrary I have congratulated many people for their flights as depicted on OLC, both in private and public. I encourage many glider pilots that I know to go further, set goals and always shoot for a way to improve.
I evaluate most every flight that I take, do I compare my flight to others, yes, why certainly and I would venture to guess that most people do the same. I want to see my distance, my speed, my altitude, my % of thermaling, my triangle legs, and evaluate against other flights.
One of if not the most difficult, flights is the declared triangle of over 300K with that triangle being near equilateral and less scalene. I consider the speed around that triangle to be a good indicator of my flight. This does not always tell the whole story, location plays a huge role, great basin flights for instance provide much more opportunity than say Florida flights, or Ohio Valley flights. I am certain that there is more to come on this topic. Old Bob