Re: Does an "IFR approved" GPS placard require database updates?

[Charlie Derk]

During my instrument training I was told that if you have an IFR
certified GPS, it had to be updated if you were using it for IFR Flight.
You can use it VFR even if it hasn't been updated
Charlie

Peter wrote:
> I've been told that if one's GPS is an IFR approved unit (KLN94B in my
> case) and it's not placarded "VFR only" then I am required to have the
> latest database, otherwise I am not complying with the minimum
> equipment list (in ANY flight) - is this correct?
>
> If so, what would this mean for the validity of insurance?
>
> Peter.
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[Ron Natalie]

Peter wrote:
> I've been told that if one's GPS is an IFR approved unit (KLN94B in my
> case) and it's not placarded "VFR only" then I am required to have the
> latest database, otherwise I am not complying with the minimum
> equipment list (in ANY flight) - is this correct?

You need to read the flight manual supplement for your aircraft.
Different installations have different reqirements. It's
doubtful that "MEL" applies at all here since your plane most
likely doesn't have one.

As far as non-IFR flight, nobody suggests ripping the alitmeter out
of my plane because my IFR certs have expired.

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In rec.aviation.misc Charlie Derk > wrote:
: During my instrument training I was told that if you have an IFR
: certified GPS, it had to be updated if you were using it for IFR Flight.
: You can use it VFR even if it hasn't been updated
: Charlie

As I've heard it, you can technically fly IFR with an expired database, so
long as you have verified that the data for every piece of information in the database
that you will use is correct.

-Cory

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[Newps]

wrote:
> In rec.aviation.misc Charlie Derk > wrote:
> : During my instrument training I was told that if you have an IFR
> : certified GPS, it had to be updated if you were using it for IFR Flight.

The answer is it depends on the model of GPS. The POH Supplement will
tell you.


> : You can use it VFR even if it hasn't been updated

Right.

[jmk]

Exactly... Using it for an IFR GPS is all about the POH supplement.
Garmin requires updates. UPSAT did not - just required that you verify
that the approach hasn't changed.

None of this prevents you from using the GPS, of course, for enroute
VFR use.

Now some years ago there was a controversy started by Flying magazine
because of the speculation that an over zealous FAA inspector might
view an out of date database as a violation. But the FAA clarified
that this was not the case. Same deal as with outdated charts in the
plane. Perfectly okay... But you MUST have the current information
you need to complete the flight safely. That same outdated chart (or
database) won't get you out of jail if you violate some airspace (or
worse, violate the terrain).

[Gord Beaman]

"jmk" > wrote:

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> That same outdated chart (or
>database) won't get you out of jail if you violate some airspace (or
>worse, violate the terrain).

God yes!,,,that last violation is a big no no (the operative word
here being 'last' of course.
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