Airline Pilot for a day?

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Hi all,
I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one of
the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
get to fly one for half an hour or so.

Does anyone know if that program still exists? Any links would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Hish

[Ron Tock]

wrote:
> Hi all,
> I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one of
> the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
> train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
> get to fly one for half an hour or so.
>
> Does anyone know if that program still exists? Any links would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Hish
>

Not for a mere 1500.

[Ron Natalie]

wrote:
> Hi all,
> I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one of
> the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
> train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
> get to fly one for half an hour or so.
>
> Does anyone know if that program still exists? Any links would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Hish
>

It was United. www.ualservices.com, but I think the 9-11 issues
put an end to that.

[Dudley Henriques]

I'm afraid those days might have gone down with the new homeland security
issues.
Brings back memories though :-) I had a friend who was chief pilot for a
fairly large charter outfit flying stretch DC8's. I was given the rare
opportunity to actually fly one of their birds up to Fairbanks Alaska once
as a "guest" pilot.
It was a great experience and one I'll never forget. I actually got the damn
thing on the ground in one piece too :-)
Sorry if you don't get the chance to do this. It's the times I guess.
Dudley Henriques

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi all,
> I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one of
> the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
> train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
> get to fly one for half an hour or so.
>
> Does anyone know if that program still exists? Any links would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Hish
>

[Morgans]

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
hlink.net...
> I'm afraid those days might have gone down with the new homeland security
> issues.
> Brings back memories though :-) I had a friend who was chief pilot for a
> fairly large charter outfit flying stretch DC8's. I was given the rare
> opportunity to actually fly one of their birds up to Fairbanks Alaska once
> as a "guest" pilot.
> It was a great experience and one I'll never forget. I actually got the
damn
> thing on the ground in one piece too :-)
> Sorry if you don't get the chance to do this. It's the times I guess.
> Dudley Henriques

So how does (did) that work? I would assume there had to be two pilots
qualified in type, and you were an "add on."
--
Jim in NC

[Dudley Henriques]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
> hlink.net...
>> I'm afraid those days might have gone down with the new homeland security
>> issues.
>> Brings back memories though :-) I had a friend who was chief pilot for a
>> fairly large charter outfit flying stretch DC8's. I was given the rare
>> opportunity to actually fly one of their birds up to Fairbanks Alaska
>> once
>> as a "guest" pilot.
>> It was a great experience and one I'll never forget. I actually got the
> damn
>> thing on the ground in one piece too :-)
>> Sorry if you don't get the chance to do this. It's the times I guess.
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> So how does (did) that work? I would assume there had to be two pilots
> qualified in type, and you were an "add on."
> --
> Jim in NC

Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time you
post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements for
a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...

> So how does (did) that work? I would assume there had to be two pilots
> qualified in type, and you were an "add on."
> --
> Jim in NC

Oh yes, I almost forgot........wouldn't want to confuse the "investigation"
:-)
wasn't multi-engine OR instrument rated either at the time of this flight.
Dudley Henriques

[Jim Fisher]

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
> me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
> flight to you,

I imagine he's just curious, is all. We know better than to ask you to back
anything up. ;')

[Dudley Henriques]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
> I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
>> me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
>> flight to you,
>
> I imagine he's just curious, is all. We know better than to ask you to
> back anything up. ;')

God...doesn't the menu for you people ever change around here?
And just what is it about me you think needs backing up Fisher?
Dudley Henriques

[Morgans]

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote

> Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time
you
> post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
> me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
> flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements
for
> a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.

Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it would
be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think that
you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where there
was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.

I think that if you met me, with an open mind, you would like me as a
person. Most people do. I hold no ill will, after a period of time, and
would like to forget any unpleasantries we had in the past.

As far as where to find the crew requirements for a ferry flight, I would
have no idea where to even start looking.

Here is where I was coming from. It was my understanding, that you had to
have two pilots rated in type to fly the big stuff (or even some of the biz
jets) on any type of flight. Is that not true? I don't know. That is why
I asked. If it were true, all you had to say in a response (true or not)
that yes, there were two type rated pilots in the cockpit, and one was kind
enough to let you have his seat for the flight. I know of no restrictions
that say both rated in type have to be at the controls, all of the time, so
if that was the case, there is nothing to catch you in. (not that I want to)
I am not evil.

Again, all I was doing was attempting to open a civil conversation, and hear
more of your experience in this flight. You have done more than I will ever
get the chance to do, so all I can do is live vicariously.

Can you put the past in the past? I can, and have.
--
Thanks
Jim in NC

[Dudley Henriques]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote
>
>> Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time
> you
>> post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to
>> "catch"
>> me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
>> flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements
> for
>> a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.
>
> Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
> would
> be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
> yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think that
> you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where there
> was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
> anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.
>
> I think that if you met me, with an open mind, you would like me as a
> person. Most people do. I hold no ill will, after a period of time, and
> would like to forget any unpleasantries we had in the past.
>
> As far as where to find the crew requirements for a ferry flight, I would
> have no idea where to even start looking.
>
> Here is where I was coming from. It was my understanding, that you had to
> have two pilots rated in type to fly the big stuff (or even some of the
> biz
> jets) on any type of flight. Is that not true? I don't know. That is
> why
> I asked. If it were true, all you had to say in a response (true or not)
> that yes, there were two type rated pilots in the cockpit, and one was
> kind
> enough to let you have his seat for the flight. I know of no restrictions
> that say both rated in type have to be at the controls, all of the time,
> so
> if that was the case, there is nothing to catch you in. (not that I want
> to)
> I am not evil.
>
> Again, all I was doing was attempting to open a civil conversation, and
> hear
> more of your experience in this flight. You have done more than I will
> ever
> get the chance to do, so all I can do is live vicariously.
>
> Can you put the past in the past? I can, and have.
> --
> Thanks
> Jim in NC

I'm sorry, and you're right of course. I guess I'm a bit gun shy on Usenet
these days.
It seems that in the last month, I've seen a post saying I wasn't a pilot at
all, and that the only flying I do is with Microsoft's flight simulator.
Then I saw one that said I wasn't in the FAA data base. Then I saw one that
complained about my signature file. Then I saw one that said my name had
been found in the data base. Then I saw one that suggested I wasn't Dudley
Henriques at all. Then I saw one that said I could be an imposter using
Dudley Henriques' name.
I guess I've finally come to the conclusion that there really isn't any way
to verify I'm who I say I am, so based on that, there really isn't any
reason to believe anything I say as Dudley Henriques. I might as well use a
pseudonym and be done with it.
This of course is the basic Usenet equation that postulates the only thing
that matters is the quality of the information, which is fine, except for
the fact that I know who I am, and I'm the one taking the time to contribute
my life experience to the cause so to speak; so when I post an experience
I've had and someone questions it without one of these damn :-) things, and
in lieu of all the other crap I've had to endure on Usenet, I get a bit gun
shy with people. In your case, it was a mistake and I apologize. I'll make
an attempt to rectify the mistake.
As for the flight; it was a ferry flight to get the bird up to Fairbanks to
replace one that went down with a serious maintenance problem. Naturally I
was in the jump seat "officially", as I wasn't rated in the airplane. We
were short a flight engineer and had a crew of two plus myself. My friend
happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left seat.
I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to taxi
in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next evening
and slept all the way :-))
Hope this helps a bit
Dudley

[Morgans]

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote

My friend
> happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left
seat.
> I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to
taxi
> in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
> It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next
evening
> and slept all the way :-))

Sounds like a great experience! Thanks for sharing.
--
Jim in NC

[Kev]

>I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one
>of the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
>train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
>get to fly one for half an hour or so.

I don't think you got to fly a real one, just the simulator. UAL used
to offer it to anyone. If you check the flight simulation groups,
you'll find that their yearly get-togethers almost always include
optional signup for an airline simulator... UAL was last year, I think.
Also...

http://www.b737.com/
http://www.smartt.com/~simflts/

I know there are more in England that offer this to anyone. Try some
Googling.

Best, Kev

[Matt Whiting]

Morgans wrote:

> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote
>
>
>>Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time
>
> you
>
>>post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to "catch"
>>me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
>>flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements
>
> for
>
>>a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.
>
>
> Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it would
> be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
> yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think that
> you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where there
> was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
> anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.

And here I thought I was the only one that Dudley thought was out to get
him and who received nasty emails from him. :-)

I challenged him once and he got mad and took his marbles home and then
thought he could tell me that I couldn't respond to his public usenet
posts. I've never seen anyone get so upset over something so trivial in
the scheme of life and then hold a grudge with such vengeance. I
respond to usenet posts, not usenet posters. I don't hold grudges and
keep records and frankly don't understand those who do.

I remember a few years ago I replied to a post in another ng and the
person said that he was ignoring my post because of something I'd
written several YEARS earlier. :-) I was amazed that he kept track of
this that long. I didn't even remember his name or the conversation
until he reminded me. Life is way too short to hold grudges over usenet
conversations, IMO.


Matt

[Dudley Henriques]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Morgans wrote:
>
>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote
>>
>>
>>>Based on the always present and usual situation whenever and every time
>>
>> you
>>
>>>post to me, I'll just assume you would like nothing better than to
>>>"catch"
>>>me on something untrue so rather than "explain" the circumstances of the
>>>flight to you, I'll simply suggest that you check the crew requirements
>>
>> for
>>
>>>a ferry flight and hope that will be the end of it.
>>
>>
>> Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
>> would
>> be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
>> yourself, with lots of experience in other types. I would also think
>> that
>> you would *not* have posted an experience in a public forum, where
>> there
>> was something for you to have to hide, or anyone to able catch you in
>> anything. That was not my purpose, or goal, in any way.
>
> And here I thought I was the only one that Dudley thought was out to get
> him and who received nasty emails from him. :-)

Sorry, but I have never used the phrase "out to get him". That's a personal
choice of yours I think, designed to illicit a specific picture in the mind
of the reader. Typical and predictable Usenet technique I might add. :-)
>
> I challenged him once and he got mad and took his marbles home

I think you really do like these negative discriptive phrases "took his
marbels home" is interesting I'll admit.


and then
> thought he could tell me that I couldn't respond to his public usenet
> posts.

If you mean I said you might have a problem making your point on the public
forum, you might be more correct.


I've never seen anyone get so upset over something so trivial in
> the scheme of life and then hold a grudge with such vengeance.

Hardly upset. Your phrasing again. Actually, I don't hold grudges. I just
like or dislike people as I see fit.
Along the lines of what you have said here about my holding a grudge, I
notice you quoted only my initial response to the message you were using and
completely ommited my second response; the time between the two posts
indicating I held this 'grudge" for the length of one sensible post from the
poster you quoted. So you see, I don't hole grudges. In fact, my second post
would indicate that I respond immediately to intelligent and sincere comment
and am capable of a lighting quick apology to those whom I have mistakenly
tangeled with.
Perhaps if you used the same approach to me that the poster I answered in
this thread did, you and I wouldn't have had any issues.....but then you
didn't did you? Instead you insert a totally negative post. That's a shame,
but it's not my fault my friend.
Just to refreash your mind a bit, here's the response that completes the
quoted text....you know, the part you DIDN'T present in your post about me.

In this thread; DH wrote to Jim in NC;

"I'm sorry, and you're right of course. I guess I'm a bit gun shy on Usenet
these days.
It seems that in the last month, I've seen a post saying I wasn't a pilot at
all, and that the only flying I do is with Microsoft's flight simulator.
Then I saw one that said I wasn't in the FAA data base. Then I saw one that
complained about my signature file. Then I saw one that said my name had
been found in the data base. Then I saw one that suggested I wasn't Dudley
Henriques at all. Then I saw one that said I could be an imposter using
Dudley Henriques' name.
I guess I've finally come to the conclusion that there really isn't any way
to verify I'm who I say I am, so based on that, there really isn't any
reason to believe anything I say as Dudley Henriques. I might as well use a
pseudonym and be done with it.
This of course is the basic Usenet equation that postulates the only thing
that matters is the quality of the information, which is fine, except for
the fact that I know who I am, and I'm the one taking the time to contribute
my life experience to the cause so to speak; so when I post an experience
I've had and someone questions it without one of these damn :-) things, and
in lieu of all the other crap I've had to endure on Usenet, I get a bit gun
shy with people. In your case, it was a mistake and I apologize. I'll make
an attempt to rectify the mistake.
As for the flight; it was a ferry flight to get the bird up to Fairbanks to
replace one that went down with a serious maintenance problem. Naturally I
was in the jump seat "officially", as I wasn't rated in the airplane. We
were short a flight engineer and had a crew of two plus myself. My friend
happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left seat.
I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to taxi
in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next evening
and slept all the way :-))

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly shows a tendency to hold a grudge all right!!! And
absolutely NO tendency at all toward civil discourse I'd say!! Why I must be
every thing you said I am. Clearly!! :-))))

> I respond to usenet posts, not usenet posters. I don't hold grudges and
> keep records and frankly don't understand those who do.

Well....in this case I'd say that since you weren't involved in the
discussion to begin with, and CHOSE to insert a totally negative post about
someone who had not even addressed you in this thread, it just might be YOU
who has the problem here old buddy but that's not important really.
I'll just suggest that you re-read my response to Jim again.....BOTH of them
this time, then if you want to post again we'll talk about my 'grudge"
problem.......OR, you can post something about aviation next time, and we'll
see how THAT goes. I'm sure everybody else would appreciate that as well.
After all, it's an aviation newsgroup you know. :-))))))
Dudley Henriques

[Ross Richardson]

wrote:

> Hi all,
> I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one of
> the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
> train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
> get to fly one for half an hour or so.
>
> Does anyone know if that program still exists? Any links would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Hish
>
Before 9/11 I had the opportunity to go to the American Airlines
training center near DFW with a AA captain I know. While sitting in the
F-100 simulator an instructor came in with a training crew. But, he let
me "fly' the full motion simulator and make an approach into Chicago
O'Hare. What a thrill. The hard part was taxing with that little "wheel"
and being so far out in front.

--
Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Michael Nouak]

Just curious:

What were the graphics like? When I did my F70/F100 rating at CAE Amsterdam,
the graphics were sub-FS98.

--
Michael Nouak
remove "nospamfor" to reply:


"Ross Richardson" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I seem to remember a few years back there was a program run by one of
>> the airlines where for a fee of around $1500 or so you would go and
>> train for a weekend on a Boeing 737 and at the end you would actually
>> get to fly one for half an hour or so.
>>
>> Does anyone know if that program still exists? Any links would be
>> appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Hish
>>
> Before 9/11 I had the opportunity to go to the American Airlines training
> center near DFW with a AA captain I know. While sitting in the F-100
> simulator an instructor came in with a training crew. But, he let me "fly'
> the full motion simulator and make an approach into Chicago O'Hare. What a
> thrill. The hard part was taxing with that little "wheel" and being so far
> out in front.
>
> --
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP
> KSWI

[Jay Honeck]

> Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
> would
> be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
> yourself, with lots of experience in other types. *Big Snip*

Look, guys, I know both of you (Jim "in person"; Dudley "on the phone") and
I can vouch for the fact that both of you would hit it off immediately
"in-person."

Therefore, I hereby invite you both to attend our barbecue cookout party at
OSH '05, held on Wednesday after the airshow at our campsite in the "North
40". This will be our third annual, and each one has grown a bit more from
the previous years. (See for pix.)

Jim will be there with "GOG" (God's Own Grill), helping with the cooking
duties -- and I sure hope you can make it, Dudley!

(And don't give us any of that "I can't make it" stuff. I *know* you've got
friends all over with whom you could hitch a ride...and, if not, I'll bet
you ten bucks we could find someone here flying to OSH with an empty seat!
:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Don Hammer]

=
>>
>Before 9/11 I had the opportunity to go to the American Airlines
>training center near DFW with a AA captain I know. While sitting in the
>F-100 simulator an instructor came in with a training crew. But, he let
>me "fly' the full motion simulator and make an approach into Chicago
>O'Hare. What a thrill. The hard part was taxing with that little "wheel"
>and being so far out in front.

Back in the 80's I was crewing a corporate 707 and we trained at
American. One time the Capt's flight director died and we called a
technician to change it. After the change, standing behind the
pedistal, he pushed up the throttles and at Vr reached over and
grabbed the stick with his left hand on the side designed for the
Capt's right.

He went around the pattern that way at DFW and shot a perfect CAT II
approach, made a smooth landing, and stopped it dead center with the
reversers.

I said "Damn" " How many hours do have in the aircraft?". He said "
none, never been in an airplaine before cause I'm afraid to fly"

[Dudley Henriques]

Thank you Jay, for taking the time to post such a positive message, and I'm
fairly certain you are probably right about Jim and I getting along with
Usenet out of the equation.
I certainly wish you and everyone else on the newsgroup the very best of
luck at Oshkosh and I know all of you will enjoy your fellowship there.
I'm sorry that I won't be able to join in.
Best as always,
Dudley

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:aGHne.8953$nG6.2616@attbi_s22...
>> Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
>> would
>> be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
>> yourself, with lots of experience in other types. *Big Snip*
>
> Look, guys, I know both of you (Jim "in person"; Dudley "on the phone")
> and I can vouch for the fact that both of you would hit it off immediately
> "in-person."
>
> Therefore, I hereby invite you both to attend our barbecue cookout party
> at OSH '05, held on Wednesday after the airshow at our campsite in the
> "North 40". This will be our third annual, and each one has grown a bit
> more from the previous years. (See for pix.)
>
> Jim will be there with "GOG" (God's Own Grill), helping with the cooking
> duties -- and I sure hope you can make it, Dudley!
>
> (And don't give us any of that "I can't make it" stuff. I *know* you've
> got friends all over with whom you could hitch a ride...and, if not, I'll
> bet you ten bucks we could find someone here flying to OSH with an empty
> seat! :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Therefore, I hereby invite you both to attend our barbecue cookout party
> at OSH '05, held on Wednesday after the airshow at our campsite in the
> "North 40". This will be our third annual, and each one has grown a bit
> more from the previous years. (See for pix.)


I'm guessing 30(?) this year ...especially if the weather is PERFECT like
last year.

BTW, what *is* our fallback plan (a.k.a. rain)?

1. Friar Tucks? Table for 30 please.

2. That (delicious!) pizza place with the stained glass airplane art? Forgot
the name. Owner seemed like a good guy. Table for 30 please.

3. Drink cold beer in the rain?


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> I certainly wish you and everyone else on the newsgroup the very best of
> luck at Oshkosh and I know all of you will enjoy your fellowship there.
> I'm sorry that I won't be able to join in.
> Best as always,
> Dudley

What -- and miss the opportunity to rub shoulders with Bob Hoover, Chuck
Yeager, and the equally bright and witty Usenet gang?

:-)

Alright, who's going to step up to the plate here? Who's got an open seat
for Dudley?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross Richardson]

Michael Nouak wrote:

> Just curious:
>
> What were the graphics like? When I did my F70/F100 rating at CAE Amsterdam,
> the graphics were sub-FS98.
>
It was a "night" flight and it was so real to me. I am not sure what
FS98 is unless it is that MicroSoft product. (You know, for me being a
pilot, I have never been interested in buying that, hmmm) This was my
first time is such a sophisticated machine. Upon take off the instructor
had another jet come right to me and I had to turn to avoid hitting it.
I made a visual approach and landing to O'hare, and a good one according
to the instructor. On the final roll out there was another plane that
took off right into me. This guy had a sense of humor.

--
Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Dudley Henriques]

"T o d d P a t t i s t" > wrote in message
...
> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote:
>
>>> Therefore, I hereby invite you both to attend our barbecue cookout party
>>> at OSH '05, held on Wednesday after the airshow at our campsite in the
>>> "North 40".
>
>>Thank you Jay, for taking the time to post such a positive message, and
>>I'm
>>fairly certain you are probably right about Jim and I getting along with
>>Usenet out of the equation.
>>I certainly wish you and everyone else on the newsgroup the very best of
>>luck at Oshkosh and I know all of you will enjoy your fellowship there.
>>I'm sorry that I won't be able to join in.
>
> That's too bad, Dudley, as I would love to have met you in
> person. This will be my first trip to Oshkosh and I'll be
> wandering around Wednesday after the airshow somewhere near
> the North 40 with my wife and with absolutely nothing to do
> (hint, hint) ....

Thank you TP, and I wish you and your wife a good time. I'm sure you will
both enjoy being there.

Dudley

[Bob Moore]

Don Hammer wrote
> He went around the pattern that way at DFW and shot a perfect CAT II
> approach, made a smooth landing, and stopped it dead center with the
> reversers.
> I said "Damn" " How many hours do have in the aircraft?". He said "
> none, never been in an airplaine before cause I'm afraid to fly"

Yep! It's just a big video game.
I instructed in PanAm's B-707 simulators in Miami on and off for
several years. All you have to do is put the controls where the
computer wants them and it "flys" just like its on rails.
My "show-off" speciality was an engine-out ILS to a 0/0 touchdown
"hands-off". This after watching a student fight the machine for
2-3 approaches. :-)

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-720 B-727 L-188
PanAm (retired)

[Montblack]

("T o d d P a t t i s t" wrote)
> That's too bad, Dudley, as I would love to have met you in
> person. This will be my first trip to Oshkosh and I'll be
> wandering around Wednesday after the airshow somewhere near
> the North 40 with my wife and with absolutely nothing to do
> (hint, hint) ....


Find Jay's plane. Check at the N40 info station for his row # (Piper
Dakota/Pathfinder N56993)

Hop on the (free) school bus - hop off the bus near Jay's row.

Look for much smoke and a wee bit of drinking.

Arrive after the airshow ...hungry, thirsty, and ready to sit and relax, or
stand and relax. (Bring folding chairs if you want them)

I bring fud, coolers and ice ...some beer, some diet pop, some water, and a
back-up grill. Jim in NC is bringing the MOAG and (maybe) a pig this year.
Jay is just hanging out at his site <g>. People can bring chips if they
want, and/or beer if they want. Wine sometimes shows up too. Or, just show
up.

Starting about 6:30pm - sit back and enjoy the "real airshow" with hot
grilled fud, cold drinks and friends.


Montblack

[Don Hammer]

>My "show-off" speciality was an engine-out ILS to a 0/0 touchdown
>"hands-off". This after watching a student fight the machine for
>2-3 approaches. :-)
>
>Bob Moore
>ATP B-707 B-720 B-727 L-188
>PanAm (retired)

In the 707 they used to humble us after a few V1 cuts that we ran into
the grass by setting up the airplane with takeoff trim and power set.
Without touching anything you cut #4 at V1. It would track a little
right without going off the runway and rotate at about Vr +5 and climb
out all by its self at V2 plus a little.

Some times we are our own worst enemy.

[Morgans]

"Montblack" > wrote
>
>
> I'm guessing 30(?) this year ...especially if the weather is PERFECT like
> last year.
>
> BTW, what *is* our fallback plan (a.k.a. rain)?

> 3. Drink cold beer in the rain?

I have a retired parachute. I think that a few poles could turn it into the
perfect fly-in rain fly! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Robert M. Gary]

My 10 year old son got to help start an A320 the other day. We were
boarding and the pilot called us into the cockpit to talk to my son. We
talked shop for a bit and then asked my son if he wouldn't mind
starting the APU and getting the bleed air going (the ground crew were
disconnecting the air cart). He showed him the buttons to press and he
did it. After we took off the Captain got on the speaker and thanked my
son for helping get the plane started!!

-Robert

[lardsoup]

There is a program called ATOPS where you fly a 737 simulator down at
Continental's training center in Houston. I did it last year and it was a
BLAST!!! Really felt like you were flying. Google ATOPS for info.

[Morgans]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message

> He showed him the buttons to press and he
> did it. After we took off the Captain got on the speaker and thanked my
> son for helping get the plane started!!
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Morgans" > wrote

> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>
> > He showed him the buttons to press and he
> > did it. After we took off the Captain got on the speaker and thanked my
> > son for helping get the plane started!!

This is bad! I couldn't even do a "me too" post correctly.

What I meant to say was "too cool!"
--
Jim in NC

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

>>And here I thought I was the only one that Dudley thought was out to get
>>him and who received nasty emails from him. :-)
>
>
> Sorry, but I have never used the phrase "out to get him". That's a personal
> choice of yours I think, designed to illicit a specific picture in the mind
> of the reader. Typical and predictable Usenet technique I might add. :-)

True, I wasn't claiming to quote you, I was writing my impression.


>>I challenged him once and he got mad and took his marbles home
>
>
> I think you really do like these negative discriptive phrases "took his
> marbels home" is interesting I'll admit.

Again, a simple description that I think applies after your messages to
me that you refused to respond to any of my future replies. That is the
playground equivalent of takig your marbles and going home when you
don't like the way the game is turning out.


> I've never seen anyone get so upset over something so trivial in
>
>>the scheme of life and then hold a grudge with such vengeance.
>
>
> Hardly upset. Your phrasing again. Actually, I don't hold grudges. I just
> like or dislike people as I see fit.
> Along the lines of what you have said here about my holding a grudge, I
> notice you quoted only my initial response to the message you were using and
> completely ommited my second response; the time between the two posts
> indicating I held this 'grudge" for the length of one sensible post from the
> poster you quoted. So you see, I don't hole grudges. In fact, my second post
> would indicate that I respond immediately to intelligent and sincere comment
> and am capable of a lighting quick apology to those whom I have mistakenly
> tangeled with.

I often trim posts for brevity, especially in current threads. I
assumed that those who read my post had read the previous posts so no
need to repeat everything. There was no intent on my part to mislead.


> Perhaps if you used the same approach to me that the poster I answered in
> this thread did, you and I wouldn't have had any issues.....but then you
> didn't did you? Instead you insert a totally negative post. That's a shame,
> but it's not my fault my friend.
> Just to refreash your mind a bit, here's the response that completes the
> quoted text....you know, the part you DIDN'T present in your post about me.
>
> In this thread; DH wrote to Jim in NC;
>
> "I'm sorry, and you're right of course. I guess I'm a bit gun shy on Usenet
> these days.
> It seems that in the last month, I've seen a post saying I wasn't a pilot at
> all, and that the only flying I do is with Microsoft's flight simulator.
> Then I saw one that said I wasn't in the FAA data base. Then I saw one that
> complained about my signature file. Then I saw one that said my name had
> been found in the data base. Then I saw one that suggested I wasn't Dudley
> Henriques at all. Then I saw one that said I could be an imposter using
> Dudley Henriques' name.
> I guess I've finally come to the conclusion that there really isn't any way
> to verify I'm who I say I am, so based on that, there really isn't any
> reason to believe anything I say as Dudley Henriques. I might as well use a
> pseudonym and be done with it.
> This of course is the basic Usenet equation that postulates the only thing
> that matters is the quality of the information, which is fine, except for
> the fact that I know who I am, and I'm the one taking the time to contribute
> my life experience to the cause so to speak; so when I post an experience
> I've had and someone questions it without one of these damn :-) things, and
> in lieu of all the other crap I've had to endure on Usenet, I get a bit gun
> shy with people. In your case, it was a mistake and I apologize. I'll make
> an attempt to rectify the mistake.
> As for the flight; it was a ferry flight to get the bird up to Fairbanks to
> replace one that went down with a serious maintenance problem. Naturally I
> was in the jump seat "officially", as I wasn't rated in the airplane. We
> were short a flight engineer and had a crew of two plus myself. My friend
> happened to be the chief check pilot for the DC8 and he flew the left seat.
> I was asked to fly the right and did so all the way through taxi out to taxi
> in. (with a little prompting of course from the left seat :-)
> It was a great experience. I came home on the company Lear the next evening
> and slept all the way :-))
>
> Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly shows a tendency to hold a grudge all right!!! And
> absolutely NO tendency at all toward civil discourse I'd say!! Why I must be
> every thing you said I am. Clearly!! :-))))


OK, I left it all here this time. :-) I was referring to the grudge
that you appeared to be holding against me, not against the other poster
here. If you aren't holding a grudge, I'm very glad to hear that.


>>I respond to usenet posts, not usenet posters. I don't hold grudges and
>>keep records and frankly don't understand those who do.
>
>
> Well....in this case I'd say that since you weren't involved in the
> discussion to begin with, and CHOSE to insert a totally negative post about
> someone who had not even addressed you in this thread, it just might be YOU
> who has the problem here old buddy but that's not important really.
> I'll just suggest that you re-read my response to Jim again.....BOTH of them
> this time, then if you want to post again we'll talk about my 'grudge"
> problem.......OR, you can post something about aviation next time, and we'll
> see how THAT goes. I'm sure everybody else would appreciate that as well.
> After all, it's an aviation newsgroup you know. :-))))))

Agreed, aviation is a much better topic for discussion. :-)


Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Listen Dudley, I posted, I thought, a very civil question. I think it
>>would
>>be way cool to get to fly the heavy stuff, even for a person such as
>>yourself, with lots of experience in other types. *Big Snip*
>
>
> Look, guys, I know both of you (Jim "in person"; Dudley "on the phone") and
> I can vouch for the fact that both of you would hit it off immediately
> "in-person."
>
> Therefore, I hereby invite you both to attend our barbecue cookout party at
> OSH '05, held on Wednesday after the airshow at our campsite in the "North
> 40". This will be our third annual, and each one has grown a bit more from
> the previous years. (See for pix.)
>
> Jim will be there with "GOG" (God's Own Grill), helping with the cooking
> duties -- and I sure hope you can make it, Dudley!
>
> (And don't give us any of that "I can't make it" stuff. I *know* you've got
> friends all over with whom you could hitch a ride...and, if not, I'll bet
> you ten bucks we could find someone here flying to OSH with an empty seat!
> :-)

Now that is the best post thus far in this thread! :-)


Matt