replacement instruments

[Phoenix]

I'm yanking my Lnav / GPSnav from my panel and am installing a CN2 on a RAM. I'd like to fill some of the holes with something that is moderately inexpensive yet will complement the CN2. Remaining are: Sage CVA, airspeed, alt.
Any ideas?

[Dan Marotta]

How about a nice ADF receiver and indicator that I'm pulling out of my
C-180?

Have you got an electric vario?Â* I would highly recommend a ClearNav XC
vario, if not.Â* My CNII is RAM mounted and I have a CNvXC with both
analog and digital indicators, a great combination.

Dan 5J
On 5/21/21 6:57 AM, Phoenix wrote:
> I'm yanking my Lnav / GPSnav from my panel and am installing a CN2 on a RAM. I'd like to fill some of the holes with something that is moderately inexpensive yet will complement the CN2. Remaining are: Sage CVA, airspeed, alt.
> Any ideas?

[Nicholas Kennedy]

http://craggyaero.com/Ultimate/Ventusb2021.jpg

Here are some ideas
Call Richard at Craggy Aero with your credit card in hand.
He can lighten your wallet, no problem.
Nick
T

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 5/21/2021 6:43 AM, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
> http://craggyaero.com/Ultimate/Ventusb2021.jpg
>
> Here are some ideas
> Call Richard at Craggy Aero with your credit card in hand.
> He can lighten your wallet, no problem.
> Nick

All good stuff, competitively priced by Richard, but I don't see anything there that
matches "moderately inexpensive" ;^)

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 5/21/2021 8:22 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 5/21/2021 6:43 AM, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:
>> http://craggyaero.com/Ultimate/Ventusb2021.jpg
>>
>> Here are some ideas
>> Call Richard at Craggy Aero with your credit card in hand.
>> He can lighten your wallet, no problem.
>> Nick
>
> All good stuff, competitively priced by Richard, but I don't see anything there that
> matches "moderately inexpensive" ;^)
>
I was a bit hasty: it sports the new LXNav ADI, an ASI/altimeter/vario combo instrument
that is much cheaper than the individual units, releases two holes for other instruments,
and is user configurable for Vne changes in altitude, and more. But, Phoenix already has
those instruments and empty holes.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Brian[_1_]]

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 6:57:58 AM UTC-6, Phoenix wrote:
> I'm yanking my Lnav / GPSnav from my panel and am installing a CN2 on a RAM. I'd like to fill some of the holes with something that is moderately inexpensive yet will complement the CN2. Remaining are: Sage CVA, airspeed, alt.
> Any ideas?

A Flarm Display(Like Uavionic) or transponder (TT22)

or an Electric Backup Vario w/audio like Borgelt B400 with a battery backup. But this could probably replace you Sage. Could add the Averager option.

Brian

[waremark]

Do you already have an artificial horizon? If not, something like this:

https://lxavionics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=126&product_id=591

You may not be authorised to fly in IMC (as you know we can and do fly our gliders in IMC in the UK) but if you got into IMC inadvertently it would be pretty useful!

[waremark]

Or an LX Nav S10 or S100 - excellent vario with lots else, artificial horizon, battery backup, backup IGC logger

[Phoenix]

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 2:22:17 PM UTC-4, waremark wrote:
> Or an LX Nav S10 or S100 - excellent vario with lots else, artificial horizon, battery backup, backup IGC logger

Would like for the "hole filler" to be able to accommodate a gear warning micro switch as the ship already has one installed.
More ideas?

[2G]

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-7, Phoenix wrote:
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 2:22:17 PM UTC-4, waremark wrote:
> > Or an LX Nav S10 or S100 - excellent vario with lots else, artificial horizon, battery backup, backup IGC logger
> Would like for the "hole filler" to be able to accommodate a gear warning micro switch as the ship already has one installed.
> More ideas?

I included an MGL BAT1 volt/ammeter in my 31Mi panel (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Infinitec/Manuals/BAT1.pdf). As I have a total glass panel (i.e. no pneumatic instruments) characterizing battery condition and state of charge was a high priority. I wasn't even sure what the total drain would be with my full panel operating. I am glad that I had this instrument added because using the voltmeter built into instruments like the LX9000 is problematic (it measures the voltage at the instrument, not the battery) and it does not measure current at all. I determined almost immediately that I would need an LFP battery for the avionics as my current drain was over 2 A and Pb batteries don't want to be discharged more than 50%. I was getting a Low Batt alert from the LX9000 after just 3 hr (your battery voltage drops immediately when drawing 2 A from it, so I was getting below 12 V after a few short hours). I have been using the Bioenno BLF-1220AS:
https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-20ah-lfp-battery-abs-blf-1220as
It has a built-in Battery Management System (BMS) that protects against over-voltage charging and under-voltage drain. I also use a pair of these batteries as the donor batteries for the X2 charger mentioned below. I recharge the donor batteries with a pair of solar panels and a Bioenno MPPT solar charge controller for LFP batteries.

Occasionally, I would see the current drain jump up 0.6 A if I accidently bumped the fuel bag valve switch on, which was easy to do as it was right below the LX9000.

I also monitor the energy required to recharge the battery after the flight.. My battery charger, a Hitec AC/DC X2 (https://www.amazon.com/Hitec-RCD-Black-Multi-Function-Charger/dp/B075MFD6H3/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Hitec+Charger&qid=1621644506&sr=8-2) provides this information providing that there isn't a fault during charging (typically low DC input voltage), in which case it just displays a fault message. I want to know how much energy was put into the battery prior to the fault. So I use an independent battery monitor:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C1BZSYO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I double check that the battery is fully charged by comparing the analyzer's amp-hour reading to energy consumed during the flight (discharge rate times length of flight plus ground on time). I recently had a 7 hour flight and the energy to recharge the battery was 12 AHr (I flew with one instrument turned off). These figures agreed, so I an confident that I have a full charge in the battery.

This all adds up to quite an assemblage of equipment, but it ensures that I can properly charge my 31 batteries regardless of the availability of shore power:

2 50 W solar panels
1 Bioenno MPPT solar charge controller
2 Bioenno BLF-1220AS LFP donor batteries
1 Hitec X2 AC/DC Multicharger
1 GT Power RC 130A Power Analyzer Battery Consumption Performance Monitor
Associated connectors and cables

Can you get by without the BAT1? Probably so, but sooner or later something is going to go wrong and your battery may go dead at a most inopportune moment. I have to have 100% confidence in my battery condition. The engine battery can always be used in an emergency, but using it for an extended time can jeopardize your ability to restart the engine. Also, I have an available instrument hole should the need arise.

Tom

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

So, what software and hardware version is the L-Nav? Does the GPS Nav know what year it is? One man's trash is another's treasure...
And, I can help you increase your budget slightly for a new instrument.

Steve Leonard

[Phoenix]

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:38:04 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
> So, what software and hardware version is the L-Nav? Does the GPS Nav know what year it is? One man's trash is another's treasure...
> And, I can help you increase your budget slightly for a new instrument.
>
> Steve Leonard


Hi Steve,

When I bought the glider the L-Nav GPSnav was installed. I couldn't get it to work. I took them out of the panel yesterday and removed all wiring and cables. Some of which were threaded thru the channel under the seat pan as the GPS flight recorder was located on the shelf on top of the spars. There were cables running from the recorder up to the panel that weren't connected which explains why the thing didn't work. The guy I bought the ship from used a PDA running StrePla so he didn't figure out the problem.
Bottom line is I can't honestly tell you if the system works or not.

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

If you just want it "gone", I will pay for you to ship it to me and I will figure out if it works, what software version, etc.

Steve Leonard

[Phoenix]

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 11:32:09 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
> If you just want it "gone", I will pay for you to ship it to me and I will figure out if it works, what software version, etc.
>
> Steve Leonard

Not sure what you mean be "wanting it gone". I assume you want me to give it to you?

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 7:23:06 PM UTC-5, Phoenix wrote:
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 11:32:09 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
> > If you just want it "gone", I will pay for you to ship it to me and I will figure out if it works, what software version, etc.
> >
> > Steve Leonard
> Not sure what you mean be "wanting it gone". I assume you want me to give it to you?

I am not asking you to give it to me. I am offering a home if you no longer want to have it in your house taking up space. There is a difference! I will tell you that I have bought similar setups for around $250 recently. You can list it at Wings and Wheels, or glidersource.com. There is one at glidersource for that price. Been there over a year.

It might look good in my Ka-8 or the Olympia.

Steve Leonard

PS: I already have around, 20 of those setups either installed in planes or on the shelf, so I am not looking to pay to add more to my shelf. But, as I said, if you don't want to have to deal with it, I will cover shipping. Best bet, though, is to advertise it and see if you can reduce your expenditure a bit on the new panel fillers.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Dear Phoenix: If you are not familiar with Mr. Leonard, he is a corner stone of gliding in America. He has the largest collection of sail panes in the US. He has been or currently is on the Board of Directors Of the SSA. He is
one of the guys who gives more back to soaring than he takes! Plus his Christmas fudge is to die for. Offer to trade the Lnav to get on his Christmas fudge list.

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 5:23:06 PM UTC-7, Phoenix wrote:
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 11:32:09 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
> > If you just want it "gone", I will pay for you to ship it to me and I will figure out if it works, what software version, etc.
> >
> > Steve Leonard
> Not sure what you mean be "wanting it gone". I assume you want me to give it to you?

[Dan Marotta]

Don't send it to him - not even if he offers money.Â* One more item in
his hangar and it will probably explode!

Dan 5J
On 5/24/21 8:30 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Dear Phoenix: If you are not familiar with Mr. Leonard, he is a corner stone of gliding in America. He has the largest collection of sail panes in the US. He has been or currently is on the Board of Directors Of the SSA. He is
> one of the guys who gives more back to soaring than he takes! Plus his Christmas fudge is to die for. Offer to trade the Lnav to get on his Christmas fudge list.
>
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 5:23:06 PM UTC-7, Phoenix wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 11:32:09 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
>>> If you just want it "gone", I will pay for you to ship it to me and I will figure out if it works, what software version, etc.
>>>
>>> Steve Leonard
>> Not sure what you mean be "wanting it gone". I assume you want me to give it to you?

[Mark Mocho]

One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!

Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!

[Phoenix]

Hi Steve,
I gave it to one of our club members who is interested. If he doesn't buy it, I guess it'll end up cluttering Steve's hangar. :)


On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:45:52 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
> One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
> Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 5:15:37 PM UTC-5, Phoenix wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> I gave it to one of our club members who is interested. If he doesn't buy it, I guess it'll end up cluttering Steve's hangar. :)

Awesome! It is by far, the best vario on the used market that can be readily had for under $400. Together with the GPS Nav, it provides enormous functionality. The GPS Nav can also drive a moving map via several different programs. Glad you found it a good home!

Steve Leonard

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
> One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
> Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!

Mark I think it would look something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aqHfvHcsc

Steve

[Herbert kilian]

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:58:25 AM UTC-5, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
> > One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
> > Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!
> Mark I think it would look something like this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aqHfvHcsc
>
> Steve
Forget about all the hole-filling for hole-filling's sake. Declutter, reduce, refrain from useless junk. Build a new panel, have it cut, install. Make sure you have space for a Trig TT22 transponder.
Herb, J7

[Dan Marotta]

Last time I set foot in Steve's hangar, I could feel the rise in enthalpy...

Dan 5J
On 5/25/21 9:58 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
>> One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
>> Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!
> Mark I think it would look something like this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aqHfvHcsc
>
> Steve

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Last time I set foot in Steve's hangar, I could feel the rise in enthalpy...
>
> Dan 5J

That was the 100LL in the 182, Dan. :-)

Steve Leonard

[Nicholas Kennedy]

You can get new stuff, cheap, if you knw where to look:

https://wingsandwheels.com/mk-iv-yaw-string.html

For the Thrifty soaring pilot.
Nick
T

[Herbert kilian]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Last time I set foot in Steve's hangar, I could feel the rise in enthalpy...
>
> Dan 5J
> On 5/25/21 9:58 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:
> > On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
> >> One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
> >> Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!
> > Mark I think it would look something like this:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aqHfvHcsc
> >
> > Steve
I think you meant entropy. Enthalpy is the total heat content of a system. Is Steve's hangar heated?

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:55:00 AM UTC-5, Herbert Kilian wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > Last time I set foot in Steve's hangar, I could feel the rise in enthalpy...
> >
> > Dan 5J
> > On 5/25/21 9:58 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
> > >> One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
> > >> Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!
> > > Mark I think it would look something like this:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aqHfvHcsc
> > >
> > > Steve
> I think you meant entropy. Enthalpy is the total heat content of a system. Is Steve's hangar heated?

Only in the summer, Herb.

[Dan Marotta]

Nah, I meant enthalpy, the sum of the system'sinternal energy
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy>and the product of its
pressure and volume, not entropy, a state of disorder, randomness, or
uncertainty.Â* But frankly, both would apply. 😮

Dan
5J

On 5/28/21 9:54 AM, Herbert Kilian wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Last time I set foot in Steve's hangar, I could feel the rise in enthalpy...
>>
>> Dan 5J
>> On 5/25/21 9:58 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
>>>> One more item in his hangar and it will probably explode!
>>>> Well, I certainly would like to see THAT on YouTube!
>>> Mark I think it would look something like this:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aqHfvHcsc
>>>
>>> Steve
> I think you meant entropy. Enthalpy is the total heat content of a system. Is Steve's hangar heated?