zzzzzzzzzzzzzz and Adam aircraft

[[email protected]]

Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in? In todays blog
he came down on them for doing what alot of others have done. He is
barking about the Certification claims of Adam. They claim that they
are FAA certificated. He doesn't like the fact that they don't spell
out restrictions they have in their Type Certificate data sheet.Nearly
every Certificated item has restrictions on it. All homebuilts are
certificated and they have restrictions as to where they can fly,no
passengers ect for the first few hours. Same for 135 or 121 operators
they have op specs that restrict them and they don't publish them and
they are still Certificated. I guess that will teach them not to
advertise on the awful news nutwork.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[Mike Patterson]

I'm surprised that you're surprised.

By definition, all those "zzz's" in the subject line indicate a tale
of illogic and often of malice is to follow.

Mike


On 6 Jun 2005 16:03:12 -0700, wrote:

>
>
> Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
>of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in? In todays blog
>he came down on them for doing what alot of others have done. He is
>barking about the Certification claims of Adam. They claim that they
>are FAA certificated. He doesn't like the fact that they don't spell
>out restrictions they have in their Type Certificate data sheet.Nearly
>every Certificated item has restrictions on it. All homebuilts are
>certificated and they have restrictions as to where they can fly,no
>passengers ect for the first few hours. Same for 135 or 121 operators
>they have op specs that restrict them and they don't publish them and
>they are still Certificated. I guess that will teach them not to
>advertise on the awful news nutwork.
>
> Frank M.Hitlaw
> Jakarta,Indonesia

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[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...

> Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
>of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>In todays blog
>he came down on them for doing what alot of others have done. He is
>barking about the Certification claims of Adam. They claim that they
>are FAA certificated. He doesn't like the fact that they don't spell
>out restrictions they have in their Type Certificate data sheet.Nearly
>every Certificated item has restrictions on it. All homebuilts are
>certificated and they have restrictions as to where they can fly,no
>passengers ect for the first few hours. Same for 135 or 121 operators
>they have op specs that restrict them and they don't publish them and
>they are still Certificated. I guess that will teach them not to
>advertise on the awful news nutwork.

Or worse yet, stop advertizing on awful news net(ANN). Just ask the companies
that got served papers at SnF what happens when you stop your ads you didn't
want.

See ya

Chuck S

[Robert Yoder]

wrote:
>
> Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
> of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in? In todays blog
> he came down on them for doing what alot of others have done. He is
> barking about the Certification claims of Adam. They claim that they
> are FAA certificated. He doesn't like the fact that they don't spell
> out restrictions they have in their Type Certificate data sheet.Nearly
> every Certificated item has restrictions on it. All homebuilts are
> certificated and they have restrictions as to where they can fly,no
> passengers ect for the first few hours. Same for 135 or 121 operators
> they have op specs that restrict them and they don't publish them and
> they are still Certificated. I guess that will teach them not to
> advertise on the awful news nutwork.

He's just peeved because they aren't giving him the credit he's due.
After all the free design work he did for them, they're still pretending
it's *their* design.


ry
--

[Harry K]

Robert Yoder wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in? In todays blog
> > he came down on them for doing what alot of others have done. He is
> > barking about the Certification claims of Adam. They claim that they
> > are FAA certificated. He doesn't like the fact that they don't spell
> > out restrictions they have in their Type Certificate data sheet.Nearly
> > every Certificated item has restrictions on it. All homebuilts are
> > certificated and they have restrictions as to where they can fly,no
> > passengers ect for the first few hours. Same for 135 or 121 operators
> > they have op specs that restrict them and they don't publish them and
> > they are still Certificated. I guess that will teach them not to
> > advertise on the awful news nutwork.
>
> He's just peeved because they aren't giving him the credit he's due.
> After all the free design work he did for them, they're still pretending
> it's *their* design.
>
>
> ry
> --

How long before the revelation that he test flew it at mach 3 in an
outside loop??

Harry K

[Juan Jimenez]

> Robert Yoder wrote:
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
>> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?

That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
stunt.

[[email protected]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > Robert Yoder wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>
> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
> stunt.

Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
subject.

Frank M Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[[email protected]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > Robert Yoder wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>
> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
> stunt.

Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
subject.

Frank M Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[[email protected]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > Robert Yoder wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>
> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
> stunt.

Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
subject.

Frank M Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...
> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some sort
>> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>>
>> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
>> stunt.
>
> Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
>he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
>subject.

Hey Frank, it depends who's publicity stunt is being gored!! LOL!! I wonder if
Adams was an advertizer that quit or someone who didn't want to advertize
?Either way that's usually the reason companies get "special" treatment from
zoomie. In my own humble opinion of course :-)

Chuck(zoomed and survived) S RAH-14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[Juan Jimenez]

You think? You only posted that three times. Like to read your own posts,
eh? <chuckle>

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> > Robert Yoder wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some
>> >> > sort
>> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>>
>> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
>> stunt.
>
> Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
> he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
> subject.
>
> Frank M Hitlaw
> Jakarta,Indonesia
>

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> says...
>> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some
>> >> > sort
>>> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
>>>
>>> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
>>> stunt.
>>
>> Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
>>he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
>>subject.
>
> Hey Frank, it depends who's publicity stunt is being gored!! LOL!! I
> wonder if
> Adams was an advertizer that quit or someone who didn't want to advertize
> ?Either way that's usually the reason companies get "special" treatment
> from
> zoomie. In my own humble opinion of course :-)
>
> Chuck(zoomed and survived) S RAH-14/1 ret

Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for designing
the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
<pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want to
challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!

[Richard Isakson]

"Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
> Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for
designing
> the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
> steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
> <pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want
to
> challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!


That is WAY over the line Juan. Even for you.

Rich

[Mark Smith]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > says...
> >> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some
> >> >> > sort
> >>> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
> >>>
> >>> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
> >>> stunt.
> >>
> >> Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
> >>he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
> >>subject.
> >
> > Hey Frank, it depends who's publicity stunt is being gored!! LOL!! I
> > wonder if
> > Adams was an advertizer that quit or someone who didn't want to advertize
> > ?Either way that's usually the reason companies get "special" treatment
> > from
> > zoomie. In my own humble opinion of course :-)
> >
> > Chuck(zoomed and survived) S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for designing
> the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
> steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
> <pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want to
> challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!


I'd wait for some facts on the accident before posting stuff like this.

I would bet it is NOT deserved,,,,,,,,,,

but still, the loss to our sport is pretty huge.

I've had a lot of folks ask about the cause, the plane, etc


--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com

[Montblack]

("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
> Hey, waddaya know,
[unacceptable **** snipped]


Montblack

[Morgans]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
> > Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for
> designing
> > the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war
hero
> > steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
> > <pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want
> to
> > challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!
>
>
> That is WAY over the line Juan. Even for you.
>
> Rich

Agreed.

It's time to finally, once and for all, shun this putz. Until zoom himself
has something to say, cut this guy off. No responses to him, unless the
whole of the airplane community has a "serious need to know" about something
he is up to.
--
Jim in NC

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for designing
>the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
>steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
><pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want to
>challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!

Once again you've proven yourself to be a classless,tasteless piece of
excrement. Do you know something we don't know ? How about explaining how my
design killed John Walton. Be specific.Not grave dancing but facts.

Just when I think you can't stoop any lower you proved me wrong again.I've been
working with the NTSB and FAA for a week now and know a lot more than you do.
I knew John Walton did you? I talked to him for over a year did you? I think not
and once again it's a credibility issue. The associate editor of Aero News
Network gleefully using the death of an aviator to futher his own vindictive
agenda. Yes sir that's one classy organization.

Once again it's about credibility and once again you show you have none.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Mark Smith says...

Hi Mark


>
>I'd wait for some facts on the accident before posting stuff like this.
>I would bet it is NOT deserved,,,,,,,,,,

Would seem logical to get some facts before spouting off like that,but one has
to consider the source as well.

>
>but still, the loss to our sport is pretty huge.
>
>I've had a lot of folks ask about the cause, the plane, etc

Mark give me a call tomorrow at the shop.

See ya

Chuck S

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Morgans says...

I may be wrong but the way I see it jaun is zooms hand puppet mouthing for zoom
what he lacks the courage to say himself. If zoom didn't approve of these
comments he would control the Associated Editor of ANN since he's the boss.This
kind of stuff reflects on the ANN web site and it's editorial policys. How can
anyone take Aero News Network serious when zoom is the editor and jaun is an
Associate Editor.

I'd send jauns comment to zoom and ask him if he approves of jauns comment, but
I know zoom won't read anything I send him.So as it stands anything out of jauns
mouth could very well have come from zooms. My own opinion of course.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret




>> That is WAY over the line Juan. Even for you.
>>
>> Rich
>
>Agreed.
>
>It's time to finally, once and for all, shun this putz. Until zoom himself
>has something to say, cut this guy off. No responses to him, unless the
>whole of the airplane community has a "serious need to know" about something
>he is up to.

[[email protected]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > says...
> >> >> > Whats with mooz and Adam aircraft? Didn't last year he have some
> >> >> > sort
> >>> >> > of gripe with them for taking their new jet to a fly-in?
> >>>
> >>> That wasn't Jim, that was me, and I still think it was a dumb publicity
> >>> stunt.
> >>
> >> Hmmmmmmm, a publicity stunt,sorta like jim going to Sun-N-Fun after
> >>he was permanently banned.I can see how you are an expert on that
> >>subject.
> >
> > Hey Frank, it depends who's publicity stunt is being gored!! LOL!! I
> > wonder if
> > Adams was an advertizer that quit or someone who didn't want to advertize
> > ?Either way that's usually the reason companies get "special" treatment
> > from
> > zoomie. In my own humble opinion of course :-)
> >
> > Chuck(zoomed and survived) S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for designing
> the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
> steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
> <pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want to
> challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!

This even surprised me,to what lengths you two low life ass wipes would
go to continue your vendetta. Match Chucks record against your hero Jim
Beede. Chuck has something you and your puppet master zzzzoom will
never have,the respect of his peers.

If you ever get the balls to fly your BD5 I supose we could write Beede
and say. Hey,waddaya know ,the brand spanking new record holder for
designing the smallest plane that killed an unemployed,fat ass,unknown
writer,idiot that nobody gave a **** about.

And finally no I didn't post the last item three times on purpose.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[Juan Jimenez]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>> Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for
> designing
>> the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
>> steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
>> <pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want
> to
>> challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!
>
>
> That is WAY over the line Juan. Even for you.
>
> Rich

Ah, here we go, another righteously unilateral so-called defender of what is
over the line, indeed. Amazing how people like you only stand up and preach
about lines being crossed when one person makes comments, but never react at
what the other person does. Never mind that I refrained from making a single
comment when Chuck admitted Walton died in one of his planes, or even when
someone made a comment that Jim would be all over that (which he didn't,,
all ANN did was run the story like everyone else). He could have taken a
hint from that, but no... that's too smart for him, Butthead Chuck has to
turn right around and return to his usual petty bashing adventures behind
every post of mine, just because he doesn't like the fact that I write for
him.

Well, you know what? What goes around, comes around, and if he doesn't like
it, he can kiss my ass.

[Juan Jimenez]

What, don't like it when someone force feeds you your own crap down your
throat? Tough! I bet Jerry Wayne Morgan would be very interested in this
investigation...

"Plaintiff sought compensatory and punitive damages from the designer and
assembler of an ultralight aircraft known as 'the Hawk'. The plaintiff's
claims were breach of implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for
the particular purpose, breach of express warranty and negligence. The
control system for the Hawk was designed so that interference between the
rudder and elevator controls resulted from certain landing maneuvers. As a
result of the interference, up elevator for a flare prior to touch down
could not be accomplished. Discovery by the plaintiff's counsel revealed
that there were significant differences between the design prototype
actually tested prior to production and the production prototype used by the
manufacture. One of the defendants discovered the potential interference and
designed a rubber stop to correct it but failed to provide a rubber stop on
the plaintiff's aircraft or warn the plaintiff of the potential problem. The
defense contended that the crash was not due to any interference but the
negligent operation and misuse by the plaintiff."

Oh, yeah, I know, you keep parroting the same story you told me, that Jerry
Morgan is an idiot and you told the insurance company to continue the
lawsuit and not settle. Too bad Atlantic Underwriters found out the NTSB
disagreed with you, eh?

"AN EXAM OF THE FLT CONTROLS REVEALED THAT WHEN LEFT RUDDER WAS APPLIED, THE
ELEVATOR BELLCRANK WOULD JAM AGAINST THE RUDDER HORN & ONLY ABOUT NEUTRAL
NOSE-UP ELEVATOR WAS AVAILABLE. AN EXPERIENCED BUILDER REPORTED THIS PROBLEM
HAD OCCURRED BEFORE. THE KIT DID NOT PROVIDE A MIN CLEARANCE OR CAUTION
CONCERNING THIS PROBLEM."

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001214X44732&key=1

Vindictive agenda on the part of ANN? Wishful thinking, boy. This is
personal. I've put up with your crap and harassment for way too long. You
should have quit after admitting on multiple ocassions it was you who
started the attacks and insults for no reason other than I said I was
writing for Campbell. And you should have thought twice about continuing to
bash after seeing that I had refrained from commenting on the Walton thread.
But once again, you exceed all expectations of intelligence, and return
right back to your old habits.

KISS MY ASS, Slusarczyk. What goes around, comes around! Enjoy your
new-found fame.

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>>
>>Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for
>>designing
>>the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
>>steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
>><pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want
>>to
>>challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!
>
> Once again you've proven yourself to be a classless,tasteless piece of
> excrement. Do you know something we don't know ? How about explaining how
> my
> design killed John Walton. Be specific.Not grave dancing but facts.
>
> Just when I think you can't stoop any lower you proved me wrong again.I've
> been
> working with the NTSB and FAA for a week now and know a lot more than you
> do.
> I knew John Walton did you? I talked to him for over a year did you? I
> think not
> and once again it's a credibility issue. The associate editor of Aero News
> Network gleefully using the death of an aviator to futher his own
> vindictive
> agenda. Yes sir that's one classy organization.
>
> Once again it's about credibility and once again you show you have none.
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> "credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s
>

[sleepy6]

I see Juan is still full of crap.

The Walton accident is still under investigation but there are enough
facts known independent of that investigation to raise serious
questions about pilot error. Even knowing those facts, no one should
form any conclusions until all the facts are known. Juans BS is just
that ... BS.

His other claim is also BS. With literally thousands of Hawks flying
all over the world, the design is well proven.

It takes a special kind of slimeball to post the kind of crap Juan
posted.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>What, don't like it when someone force feeds you your own crap down your
>throat? Tough! I bet Jerry Wayne Morgan would be very interested in this
>investigation...

If you'd have done your home work like the great reporter you think you are, you
would know that Morgan crashed another Ultralight after he crashed mine .Then he
crashed a 3rd one in which he got killed. I said it then and I say it now it was
pilot error all 3 times.

>Oh, yeah, I know, you keep parroting the same story you told me, that Jerry
>Morgan is an idiot and you told the insurance company to continue the
>lawsuit and not settle. Too bad Atlantic Underwriters found out the NTSB
>disagreed with you, eh?
>
>"AN EXAM OF THE FLT CONTROLS REVEALED THAT WHEN LEFT RUDDER WAS APPLIED, THE
>ELEVATOR BELLCRANK WOULD JAM AGAINST THE RUDDER HORN & ONLY ABOUT NEUTRAL
>NOSE-UP ELEVATOR WAS AVAILABLE. AN EXPERIENCED BUILDER REPORTED THIS PROBLEM
>HAD OCCURRED BEFORE. THE KIT DID NOT PROVIDE A MIN CLEARANCE OR CAUTION
>CONCERNING THIS PROBLEM."

It would occur on FULL left rudder almost full down elevator and if right
rudder was applied it would unjam. He was turning right.Read the report.Unless
you have an airplane that turns right when left rudder is applied then the
elevator was fully functional. In addition in flight no one ever had to use that
extreme amount of rudder. If the problem was that evident then why didn't it
show up on a preflight? It was settled out of court beore we had any chance for
defense

>http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001214X44732&key=1
>
>Vindictive agenda on the part of ANN? Wishful thinking, boy. This is
>personal. I've put up with your crap and harassment for way too long. You
>should have quit after admitting on multiple ocassions it was you who
>started the attacks and insults for no reason other than I said I was
>writing for Campbell. And you should have thought twice about continuing to
>bash after seeing that I had refrained from commenting on the Walton thread.
>But once again, you exceed all expectations of intelligence, and return
>right back to your old habits.

I commented about the Adams thread your the one who brought up Walton. Boy oh
boy, kettle ,pot kettle when you say you put up with my crap and
harrassment.Remember the harrassment over my truck title,the claims you made
about what you thought was my family and social services?. No sir you made it
real personal and your right it's personal.
>
>KISS MY ASS, Slusarczyk. What goes around, comes around! Enjoy your
>new-found fame.

That will never happen

Chuck

[Steve Foley]

What a dirtbag!

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...



> <pfft!>

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>>
>>What, don't like it when someone force feeds you your own crap down your
>>throat? Tough! I bet Jerry Wayne Morgan would be very interested in this
>>investigation...
>
> If you'd have done your home work like the great reporter you think you
> are, you
> would know that Morgan crashed another Ultralight after he crashed mine
> .Then he
> crashed a 3rd one in which he got killed. I said it then and I say it now
> it was
> pilot error all 3 times.

You can say it as many times as you want. The NTSB begs to disagree. So did
your insurer.

>>Vindictive agenda on the part of ANN? Wishful thinking, boy. This is
>>personal. I've put up with your crap and harassment for way too long. You
>>should have quit after admitting on multiple ocassions it was you who
>>started the attacks and insults for no reason other than I said I was
>>writing for Campbell. And you should have thought twice about continuing
>>to
>>bash after seeing that I had refrained from commenting on the Walton
>>thread.
>>But once again, you exceed all expectations of intelligence, and return
>>right back to your old habits.
>
> I commented about the Adams thread your the one who brought up Walton.

You didn't comment, you immediately threw in some bull**** attack on whether
I said what I said because Adam may or may not have been an advertiser. You
should have quit while you were ahead. I hear you're now telling the media
that Walton was to blame for the crash because he flew without the
enclosure, the _optional_ one you offer on your web site?? Unhuh. Let's just
make sure that everyone thinks that a man 100 times the man you wish you
were killed himself because he was stupid, like Jerry Wayne Morgan and his
"pilot error" accident.

What goes around, comes around.

[Jerry Springer]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>>
>>>What, don't like it when someone force feeds you your own crap down your
>>>throat? Tough! I bet Jerry Wayne Morgan would be very interested in this
>>>investigation...
>>
>>If you'd have done your home work like the great reporter you think you
>>are, you
>>would know that Morgan crashed another Ultralight after he crashed mine
>>.Then he
>>crashed a 3rd one in which he got killed. I said it then and I say it now
>>it was
>>pilot error all 3 times.
>
>
> You can say it as many times as you want. The NTSB begs to disagree. So did
> your insurer.
>
>
>>>Vindictive agenda on the part of ANN? Wishful thinking, boy. This is
>>>personal. I've put up with your crap and harassment for way too long. You
>>>should have quit after admitting on multiple ocassions it was you who
>>>started the attacks and insults for no reason other than I said I was
>>>writing for Campbell. And you should have thought twice about continuing
>>>to
>>>bash after seeing that I had refrained from commenting on the Walton
>>>thread.
>>>But once again, you exceed all expectations of intelligence, and return
>>>right back to your old habits.
>>
>>I commented about the Adams thread your the one who brought up Walton.
>
>
> You didn't comment, you immediately threw in some bull**** attack on whether
> I said what I said because Adam may or may not have been an advertiser. You
> should have quit while you were ahead. I hear you're now telling the media
> that Walton was to blame for the crash because he flew without the
> enclosure, the _optional_ one you offer on your web site?? Unhuh. Let's just
> make sure that everyone thinks that a man 100 times the man you wish you
> were killed himself because he was stupid, like Jerry Wayne Morgan and his
> "pilot error" accident.
>
> What goes around, comes around.
>
>

Juan why is it that every time someone was killed in a BEDE it was pilot
error? And why is it that someone dies in a CGS it is the aircraft kit
manufacturers fault? You are way out of line on the Walton accident. Why
not wait for the final report. Sure does seem strange that if he had an
emergency or a problem he would have said something to ATC which he was
in contact with during the flight according to the NTSB prelim report.
Something does not add up so at least wait for the finals before
starting your rant about an unsafe CGS. I flew one and did not feel it
was unsafe. Of course I like more power like my RV-6 has but that not
the topic of this discussion.

Jerry

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>I hear you're now telling the media
>that Walton was to blame for the crash because he flew without the
>enclosure, the _optional_ one you offer on your web site??

Once again your proving in public that you lie and you have no credibility.Lets
examine what you just said .You said "I hear you're now telling the media
that Walton was to blame for the crash because he flew without the enclosure"

#1 OK what media do you say I said that to ? Names ,dates etc.? Show us where I
said that. Show me where I blamed Walton.

#2 You said "the -optional-one you offer on your web site." talking about the
fuselage enclosure.

Our fuselage cover has NEVER been an optional item it has ALWAYS been a part of
the standard equiptment on all our kits. Anyone can go to our web site at
www.cgsaviation.com and highlight "our aircraft" and pick any model Hawk you
like . Look in the section that talks about the coverings and you'll see it
states as standard equiptment "full fuselage enclosure".

Like zoom you will lie to try to prove a point and in this case the point you
actually proved is that your a liar and have no credibility. Now anyone who's
interested can go to my web site and check it out for them selves. Credibility
it's still about credibility. I can see why you write for ANN.

> Unhuh. Let's just
>make sure that everyone thinks that a man 100 times the man you wish you
>were killed himself because he was stupid,

I never said that .

> like Jerry Wayne Morgan and his
>"pilot error" accident.

3 pilot error accidents and the 3rd one killed him .I stand by that fact.

>
>What goes around, comes around.

Goes for you as well

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Steve Foley]

Dirtbag!

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...

[wmbjk]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:16:44 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>What goes around, comes around.

If you believe that, then you ought to be shopping for a
****-repellent umbrella, rather than pretending that the clouds will
never open up. I'm thinking that at the very least, sooner or later
some HR flunky is going to Google your name, and any hope of a decent
job is going to follow your ethics and your critical thinking into the
toilet. Then again, that posting record might actually qualify you for
some less-than-decent jobs...

Wayne

[John Ammeter]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, wmbjk
> wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:16:44 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
>wrote:
>
>>What goes around, comes around.
>
>If you believe that, then you ought to be shopping for a
>****-repellent umbrella, rather than pretending that the clouds will
>never open up. I'm thinking that at the very least, sooner or later
>some HR flunky is going to Google your name, and any hope of a decent
>job is going to follow your ethics and your critical thinking into the
>toilet. Then again, that posting record might actually qualify you for
>some less-than-decent jobs...
>
>Wayne


Like, say, working for Jim Campbell???

John

[John Ousterhout]

wmbjk wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:16:44 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>What goes around, comes around.
>
>
> If you believe that, then you ought to be shopping for a
> ****-repellent umbrella, rather than pretending that the clouds will
> never open up. I'm thinking that at the very least, sooner or later
> some HR flunky is going to Google your name, and any hope of a decent
> job is going to follow your ethics and your critical thinking into the
> toilet. Then again, that posting record might actually qualify you for
> some less-than-decent jobs...
>
> Wayne


http://www.ousterhout.net/gallery/usenet.jpg

- John Ousterhout, rah/14 -

[BobR]

No, that sounds just like Jaun or Zoom for that matter. Neither cares
one iota about facts, especially if they don't agree with their
conclusions.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <rqize.130191$x96.50854@attbi_s72>, John Ousterhout says...

>
>http://www.ousterhout.net/gallery/usenet.jpg
>
>- John Ousterhout, rah/14 -

Way too funny!!! and probably has happened :-)

See ya at Oshkosh

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Robert Yoder]

Jerry Springer wrote:
> Juan why is it that every time someone was killed in a BEDE it was pilot
> error? And why is it that someone dies in a CGS it is the aircraft kit
> manufacturers fault?

I think Juan is telling us that better pilots choose CGS over Bede.


ry
--

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...

> Once again your proving in public that you lie and you have no
> credibility.Lets
> examine what you just said .You said "I hear you're now telling the media
> that Walton was to blame for the crash because he flew without the
> enclosure"

The ones who published your comments about the enclosure. Look it up on
Google. Or tell your lawyer to look it up for you. That's his job these
days, is it not?

> Our fuselage cover has NEVER been an optional item it has ALWAYS been a
> part of
> the standard equiptment on all our kits. Anyone can go to our web site at
> www.cgsaviation.com and highlight "our aircraft" and pick any model Hawk
> you
> like . Look in the section that talks about the coverings and you'll see
> it
> states as standard equiptment "full fuselage enclosure".

Really?

From http://www.cgsaviation.com/singlearrow.htm

BASIC KIT INCLUDES AS STANDARD EQUIPMENT:
Airframe with curved windshield, sharper slope of nose for
improved visibility
3-Position Wing Flaps (not flaperons)
3-Axis Control
Full fuselage pilot surround (roll cage)
Strengthened tail boom, and streamlined wing struts
Shoulder Harness and seat belt
Larger vertical stabilizer and rudder
Heavy duty wings 2 ¼" dia. leading edge, 1 ¾ " dia. trailing edge (FACTORY
PRE BUILT)
Curved overhead carry through increases head room by 3"
All control surfaces (FACTORY PRE BUILT) (flaps, ailerons,
rudder, vertical stab,
horizontal stab, & elevator)
Heavy duty fiber glass landing gear legs (guaranteed against
breakage for ten years)
Your choice - tail dragger with steerable tail wheel or
tricycle/steerable nosewheel
Rough terrain wheels - 16" x 6.5" x 6"
Streamlined Struts - aluminum
Streamlined landing gear fairings
5 gallon fuel tank
Anodized Tubing

BASIC SINGLE PLACE HAWK ARROW KIT
(For combining with covering package
and engine packages listed below) $8,936.00


And then, separately...

COVERING PACKAGE
Includes your choice of either 3.8 oz. stabilized dacron covers or dope and
fabric kit. Dacron covers include all control surfaces which are pre sewn
and ready to install, zipper doors, and full fuselage enclosure. Dope and
fabric kit includes ribs, stringers, hard doors, fabric, and glue -
everything but paint). Dacron color samples supplied upon request.
Covering Package for Single Place Arrow $1,846..00

You were saying about what "has ALWAYS been a part of the standard
equiptment on all our kits?

>> Unhuh. Let's just
>>make sure that everyone thinks that a man 100 times the man you wish you
>>were killed himself because he was stupid,
>
> I never said that .

How else are you going to try to pass off that Walton _allegedly_ went
flying with a critical piece of the aircraft missing, that you claim you
ship as standard kit but offer as part of the optional covering package,
priced separately from the standard kit?

>> like Jerry Wayne Morgan and his
>>"pilot error" accident.
>
> 3 pilot error accidents and the 3rd one killed him .I stand by that fact.

And the NTSB concluded differently.

>>What goes around, comes around.
>
> Goes for you as well

Yup sure does! Enjoy your new-found fame!

Juan

[Juan Jimenez]

"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
...
>
> Juan why is it that every time someone was killed in a BEDE it was pilot
> error?

I'll give you one guess. Hint: the NTSB had something to do with that
conclusion.

> And why is it that someone dies in a CGS it is the aircraft kit
> manufacturers fault?

See above.

> You are way out of line on the Walton accident.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you haven't earned the right to have me
pay attention to yours. See below.

>Why not wait for the final report.

I don't see you telling the Record-Holding Chuck Steak to go ask Adam if
they had any issues with ANN before spouting off on the thread in response
to my clarifying who was responsible for ANN's editorial on bringing their
jet to SNF as a publicity stunt. In fact, I don't remember you opening your
mouth as much as once about any of the statements Mr. "It's Standard
Optional Equipment" made on this thread. You're still as two-faced as ever.
Some things never change.

Juan

[Juan Jimenez]

I wonder if John Walton would disagree, given the circumstances... but of
course, he can't say anything now, on this or any subject.

"Robert Yoder" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry Springer wrote:
>> Juan why is it that every time someone was killed in a BEDE it was pilot
>> error? And why is it that someone dies in a CGS it is the aircraft kit
>> manufacturers fault?
>
> I think Juan is telling us that better pilots choose CGS over Bede.
>
>
> ry
> --

[Juan Jimenez]

Sounds more like your inability to get over losing a few bucks decades ago.
Move on, the peptobismol bar is way over there, around the Whiner's Corner.

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> No, that sounds just like Jaun or Zoom for that matter. Neither cares
> one iota about facts, especially if they don't agree with their
> conclusions.
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
Major snip ending with:
> BASIC SINGLE PLACE HAWK ARROW KIT
> (For combining with covering package
>and engine packages listed below) $8,936.00

jaun jaun jaun more proof positive that as a reporter you just can't get the
facts straight.It appears that your letting your vendetta get in the way of
logic or you just plain can't comprehend what you read. See the part that says:

"(For COMBINING with covering package and engine packages listed below)"

>
>And then, separately...
>
>COVERING PACKAGE
>Includes your choice of either 3.8 oz. stabilized dacron covers or dope and
>fabric kit. Dacron covers include all control surfaces which are pre sewn
>and ready to install, zipper doors, and full fuselage enclosure. Dope and
>fabric kit includes ribs, stringers, hard doors, fabric, and glue -
>everything but paint). Dacron color samples supplied upon request.
>Covering Package for Single Place Arrow $1,846..00
>
>You were saying about what "has ALWAYS been a part of the standard
>equiptment on all our kits?

I'll say it slowly so that even you can understand. There are 3 elements to
the "kit", airframe , covering and powerplant. A person with reading
comprehension skills would select the airframe for $8936.00 then
his choice between dacron or Dope and fabric covering for
$1846.00 and finally his choice of powerplant package. Lets say
a Rotax 447 at $2925.00 for a total kit price of $13,707.00
..I hope that was slow enough for you. None are sold seperately.Using your logic
that the covering kit is an "option" then the wings wouldn't be covered either
or the flaps ,ailerons or anything else for that matter.

Options are listed in the seperate section titled, oh my gosh !! OPTIONS!! See
example below from the same web site.



OPTIONS FOR SINGLE PLACE “ARROW” MODEL
Trim Tab (in cockpit adjustable) $ 89.00
Additional 5 gal Fuel Tank Option (for a total of 10 gals.)
$ 75.00

Brakes, mechanical
$150.00
Brakes, hydraulic O’Brien w/stick mounted master cylinder
$322.00
Brakes, hydraulic Hager w/stick mounted master cylinder, includes Hager wheels
$562.00

Wing/Tail folding Package
$278.00
Folding Tail Only
$168.00

Hard Doors for Single Place (2 doors) applies only to Dacron orders
$190.00

Of all the people I have had contact with about the Hawk your the first to come
to your conclusion that those 2 packages are options. I guess that explains why
you don't write for any legitimate publications and how you ended up as
Associate Editor of ANN. Most other publications strive for accuracy it's
obvious that you don't and it is about credibility isn't it? Maybe incompetient
as well .


>How else are you going to try to pass off that Walton _allegedly_ went
>flying with a critical piece of the aircraft missing,

By now even you should know that it is not "alleged" but fact but I'm not
placing blame I'm just trying to help the NTSB find out why and what happened.
Your attitude and grave dancing to get at me does nothing but smear the memory
of John Walton.

>that you claim you
>ship as standard kit but offer as part of the optional covering package,
>priced separately from the standard kit?

Your the only one who thinks the covering kit is an OPTION. Waltons kit had a
fuselage covering on it when built .


>> 3 pilot error accidents and the 3rd one killed him .I stand by that fact.
>
>And the NTSB concluded differently.

What that he didn't die in the 3rd crash?

"Credibility it was always about credibility" and once again you prove yourself
to be a PHONY .

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>I don't see you telling the Record-Holding Chuck Steak to go ask Adam if
>they had any issues with ANN before spouting off


How does he know who I didn't talk to Adam ? Another bad conclusion on jauns
part.


See ya

Chuck S RAH-14-1 ret

[Anthony W]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> How does he know who I didn't talk to Adam ? Another bad conclusion on jauns
> part.
>
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S RAH-14-1 ret

Every one with a brain knows waun is a flake but one good thing came out
of his ranting. It got me to check out your website and I'm sure it has
done the same for others.

I like the 2 place Hawk Arrow and if I ever get to the point where I can
afford to go kit over plans built, it's near the top of the list. Has
any one built one with VW or Geo engine. I think it would be a good
plane for sport pilot license.

BTW

[Matt Whiting]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> I'll say it slowly so that even you can understand.

Chuck, you should know by know that it isn't possible to speak THAT
slowly. :-)


Matt

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
> Major snip ending with:
>> BASIC SINGLE PLACE HAWK ARROW KIT
>> (For combining with covering package
>>and engine packages listed below) $8,936.00
>
> jaun jaun jaun more proof positive that as a reporter you just can't get
> the
> facts straight.It appears that your letting your vendetta get in the way
> of
> logic or you just plain can't comprehend what you read. See the part that
> says:

Steak steak steak, for combining does not mean "included in standard". Get
it now? For someone who claims to design his own aircraft, your writing and
comprehension skills are awfully low. If you want the full enclosure to be
part of the standard kit, and if it's an alleged safety of flight item, why
do you allow them to decide whether or not to purchase it as a separate
item?

I'll give you a day or so to chew on that since you're obviously in need of
the extra time.

> Of all the people I have had contact with about the Hawk your the first to
> come
> to your conclusion that those 2 packages are options.

If they aren't part of the standard kit, that's what they are.

> By now even you should know that it is not "alleged" but fact but I'm not
> placing blame I'm just trying to help the NTSB find out why and what
> happened.
> Your attitude and grave dancing to get at me does nothing but smear the
> memory
> of John Walton.

That CGS aircraft already took care of the memory part. BTW, I'm dancing on
top of you, what are you doing standing on Walton's grave?

> What that he didn't die in the 3rd crash?

That he didn't crash in your aircraft due to pilot error.

Enjoy your new found fame. :)

Juan

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>>
>>I don't see you telling the Record-Holding Chuck Steak to go ask Adam if
>>they had any issues with ANN before spouting off
>
>
> How does he know who I didn't talk to Adam ? Another bad conclusion on
> jauns
> part.

Because, as the pathological liar you are, you never said you had talked to
Adam or what Adam had to say about the reasons we wrote the editorial. Now,
by some act of magic called "cover my ass," you claim you did speak to Adam
Aircraft about this. ROFL! Simple math when it comes to you and your
so-called credibility.

[John Ammeter]

Chuck,

Don't bother with jaun... he's obviously one of two
things...

1. As dumb as a post and not even that useful

or

2. Simply "yanking your chain" to see you dance.

I think it's #2 since even jaun can't be so stupid as to
thing an airplane will fly without a "covering package" or
an engine.

Nearly everyone in the aviation community knows what a good
product you offer and also that you have done what you've
said you've done. In contrast to jaun's mentor, Zoom, who
is still holding to his ludicrous claims of flight time,
number of aircraft flown, relief flights, etc...

I'd simply ignore jaun, he's NOT worth the time to respond
to...


Chuck, YOU have the credibility AND the awards to prove it.
Jaun has NOTHING... just a mouthpiece for Zoom...


On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:03:36 -0400, "Juan Jimenez"
> wrote:

>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>> Major snip ending with:
>>> BASIC SINGLE PLACE HAWK ARROW KIT
>>> (For combining with covering package
>>>and engine packages listed below) $8,936.00
>>
>> jaun jaun jaun more proof positive that as a reporter you just can't get
>> the
>> facts straight.It appears that your letting your vendetta get in the way
>> of
>> logic or you just plain can't comprehend what you read. See the part that
>> says:
>
>Steak steak steak, for combining does not mean "included in standard". Get
>it now? For someone who claims to design his own aircraft, your writing and
>comprehension skills are awfully low. If you want the full enclosure to be
>part of the standard kit, and if it's an alleged safety of flight item, why
>do you allow them to decide whether or not to purchase it as a separate
>item?
>
>I'll give you a day or so to chew on that since you're obviously in need of
>the extra time.
>
>> Of all the people I have had contact with about the Hawk your the first to
>> come
>> to your conclusion that those 2 packages are options.
>
>If they aren't part of the standard kit, that's what they are.
>
>> By now even you should know that it is not "alleged" but fact but I'm not
>> placing blame I'm just trying to help the NTSB find out why and what
>> happened.
>> Your attitude and grave dancing to get at me does nothing but smear the
>> memory
>> of John Walton.
>
>That CGS aircraft already took care of the memory part. BTW, I'm dancing on
>top of you, what are you doing standing on Walton's grave?
>
>> What that he didn't die in the 3rd crash?
>
>That he didn't crash in your aircraft due to pilot error.
>
>Enjoy your new found fame. :)
>
>Juan
>

[Juan Jimenez]

"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
>
> I think it's #2 since even jaun can't be so stupid as to
> thing an airplane will fly without a "covering package" or
> an engine.

Your meter's reading empty, John. Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
will fly without the full enclosure.

[John Ammeter]

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:08:27 -0400, "Juan Jimenez"
> wrote:

>
>"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think it's #2 since even jaun can't be so stupid as to
>> thing an airplane will fly without a "covering package" or
>> an engine.
>
>Your meter's reading empty, John. Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
>will fly without the full enclosure.
>
>

"Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
will fly without the full enclosure."

Hey, jaun.... mind rephrasing the above in English??

John

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Ammeter says...

>"Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
>will fly without the full enclosure."
>
>Hey, jaun.... mind rephrasing the above in English??
>

John notice how he twists the facts? The question was if the fuselage cover is
an option and it is not,it's part of the covering package which is NOT an option
but a complete package which includes wing coverings ,flap coverings etc..
Everyone in the world understands that except jaun. He acts like he knows more
about my kit then I do.Your right he is that stupid. Maybe he should go and play
with his goat and ponder his navel.LOL!!

Chuck S

[John Ammeter]

On 11 Jul 2005 17:06:48 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>In article >, John Ammeter says...
>
>>"Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
>>will fly without the full enclosure."
>>
>>Hey, jaun.... mind rephrasing the above in English??
>>
>
>John notice how he twists the facts? The question was if the fuselage cover is
>an option and it is not,it's part of the covering package which is NOT an option
>but a complete package which includes wing coverings ,flap coverings etc..
>Everyone in the world understands that except jaun. He acts like he knows more
>about my kit then I do.Your right he is that stupid. Maybe he should go and play
>with his goat and ponder his navel.LOL!!
>
>Chuck S


I saw that... jaun doesn't seem to be able to understand
that the COMPLETE package includes the basic kit PLUS the
covering package OF YOUR CHOICE and the engine package. To
99.999% of the world it's clear... however, to jaun it's
somehow unclear...

John

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Ammeter says...

That's why the only publication he can write for is ANN, all other publications
require a certain level of reading comprehension and credibility. Only zoom can
take a ride in a jet that most any other aero writer can get and turn it into a
test flight.Then jaun believes it just like he believes zoom is a test pilot.
And only jaun can selectively select what he thinks is an option and try to make
it fact.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
the time and jaun all of the time".....chuck s



>I saw that... jaun doesn't seem to be able to understand
>that the COMPLETE package includes the basic kit PLUS the
>covering package OF YOUR CHOICE and the engine package. To
>99.999% of the world it's clear... however, to jaun it's
>somehow unclear...
>
>John

[Steve Foley]

I've always been told that flying a plane over gross 'makes you a test
pilot'. Doesn't flying a plane beyond your abilities do the same thing?

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, John Ammeter
says...
>
> That's why the only publication he can write for is ANN, all other
publications
> require a certain level of reading comprehension and credibility. Only
zoom can
> take a ride in a jet that most any other aero writer can get and turn it
into a
> test flight.Then jaun believes it just like he believes zoom is a test
pilot.
> And only jaun can selectively select what he thinks is an option and try
to make
> it fact.

[Steve Foley]

That's not twisting facts. That's ignoring facts and repeating his opinion.

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, John Ammeter
says...
>
> >"Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
> >will fly without the full enclosure."
> >
> >Hey, jaun.... mind rephrasing the above in English??
> >
>
> John notice how he twists the facts? The question was if the fuselage
cover is
> an option and it is not,it's part of the covering package which is NOT an
option
> but a complete package which includes wing coverings ,flap coverings etc..
> Everyone in the world understands that except jaun. He acts like he knows
more
> about my kit then I do.Your right he is that stupid. Maybe he should go
and play
> with his goat and ponder his navel.LOL!!
>
> Chuck S
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Steve
Foley says...
>
>I've always been told that flying a plane over gross 'makes you a test
>pilot'. Doesn't flying a plane beyond your abilities do the same thing?

Hmmm never thought of that,I guess that's how he claims to be a test pilot
:-) Ever wonder about how many of these airplanes companies let zoom fly SOLO ?
Anyone ever see zoom fly one of these new ships ALONE? Anyone ever seen a
picture of zoom flying solo in a magazine. You would think a guy with 15,000 hrs
could be trusted to fly pretty much anything after a check out.

I know he flew a Hawk solo years and years ago and claimed to loop ,roll and
spin the plane and explore the corners of the envelope. Sounded daring but not
true. I know he flew the Mini 500 solo and almost pranged it when he said he
tested the landing gear. He was so bad a pilot that the old ruse of chips on the
"chip detector" was used as an excuse to keep him out of the machine for
another flight.

I've seen pictures of him going for a ride in a ANG jet but not as PIC but he
claims "jet time". I've never heard of what company /companies he acted as test
pilot for. In fact I don't believe he ever jumped with a parachute from "almost
10 miles high" after talking to a HALO group in CA.

By that standard it seems both zoom and jaun are "test pilots" we await the
results :-)

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
the time and jaun and himself all of the time" chuck s

[Steve Foley]

With or without the 'optional' engine and covering pagkage?

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> I know he flew a Hawk solo years and years ago and claimed to loop ,roll
and
> spin the plane and explore the corners of the envelope. Sounded daring but
not
> true.

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> In article >, Steve
> Foley says...
>
>>I've always been told that flying a plane over gross 'makes you a test
>>pilot'. Doesn't flying a plane beyond your abilities do the same thing?
>
>
> Hmmm never thought of that,I guess that's how he claims to be a test pilot
> :-) Ever wonder about how many of these airplanes companies let zoom fly SOLO ?
> Anyone ever see zoom fly one of these new ships ALONE? Anyone ever seen a
> picture of zoom flying solo in a magazine. You would think a guy with 15,000 hrs
> could be trusted to fly pretty much anything after a check out.

Notice yawn won't let him fly his BD-5J.

>
> I know he flew a Hawk solo years and years ago and claimed to loop ,roll and
> spin the plane and explore the corners of the envelope. Sounded daring but not
> true. I know he flew the Mini 500 solo and almost pranged it when he said he
> tested the landing gear. He was so bad a pilot that the old ruse of chips on the
> "chip detector" was used as an excuse to keep him out of the machine for
> another flight.

"Tested the landing gear" = euphamism for a really hard landing?

>
> I've seen pictures of him going for a ride in a ANG jet but not as PIC but he
> claims "jet time". I've never heard of what company /companies he acted as test
> pilot for. In fact I don't believe he ever jumped with a parachute from "almost
> 10 miles high" after talking to a HALO group in CA.

Boy have you got that wrong, there was no parachute involved. He landed
on his head, no damage done.

>
> By that standard it seems both zoom and jaun are "test pilots" we await the
> results :-)
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> "zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
> the time and jaun and himself all of the time" chuck s
>

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[LCT Paintball]

> true. I know he flew the Mini 500 solo and almost pranged it when he said
> he
> tested the landing gear. He was so bad a pilot that the old ruse of chips
> on the

Isn't that the little helicopter that used to be built in Missouri? I've had
them ask me to build parts for that one, but from what I've read, I think
I'll stay as far away from it as I can.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"LCT Paintball" > wrote in message
news:5vTAe.147365$x96.9253@attbi_s72...
>> true. I know he flew the Mini 500 solo and almost pranged it when he said
>> he
>> tested the landing gear. He was so bad a pilot that the old ruse of chips
>> on the
>
> Isn't that the little helicopter that used to be built in Missouri? I've
> had them ask me to build parts for that one, but from what I've read, I
> think I'll stay as far away from it as I can.
>

That's the one. I was going to build one until they started falling out of
the sky.

[LCT Paintball]

> That's the one. I was going to build one until they started falling out of
> the sky.

That's bad, right?

Sorry, I'm new here. ;)



From what I've heard, and based on my experience with the new guy, most
people never get theirs close enough to completed to let it fall out of the
sky.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"LCT Paintball" > wrote in message
news:G%TAe.167970$nG6.137672@attbi_s22...
>> That's the one. I was going to build one until they started falling out
>> of the sky.
>
> That's bad, right?
>
> Sorry, I'm new here. ;)
>
>
>
> From what I've heard, and based on my experience with the new guy, most
> people never get theirs close enough to completed to let it fall out of
> the sky.
>

The ones that don't complete are the lucky ones.

[Morgans]

"LCT Paintball" > wrote in message
news:G%TAe.167970$nG6.137672@attbi_s22...
> > That's the one. I was going to build one until they started falling out
of
> > the sky.
>
> That's bad, right?
>
> Sorry, I'm new here. ;)

You should research the mini-500 wars that took place here, a few years
back. If you think zoom is a real piece of work, the mini made him look
tame. Search for Dennis Fetters and badwater bill, also. They were in the
middle of it.

> From what I've heard, and based on my experience with the new guy, most
> people never get theirs close enough to completed to let it fall out of
the
> sky.

Most people decided that they would not be able to trust it at altitudes of
more than a couple feet, when they saw how they were made. There were also
issues with non shipped parts, IIRC.
--
Jim in NC

[LCT Paintball]

.. Search for Dennis Fetters

I'm pretty sure that's the guy that comes into my shop about every 6 months
or so. Evidently somebody is still trying to get parts from him.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>Because, as the pathological liar you are, you never said you had talked to
>Adam or what Adam had to say about the reasons we wrote the editorial. Now,
>by some act of magic called "cover my ass," you claim you did speak to Adam
>Aircraft about this. ROFL! Simple math when it comes to you and your
>so-called credibility.

First off I don't have to tell "you" who I talk to. But...it just so happens
that a long time friend of mine from my hang glider days works there as an
engineer. I stand by what I said . Give you enough rope and you get tangled up
LOL!!!Credibility, it's amazing how many times you insert foot in mouth making
claims only to find out your full of prunes :-) Go play with your goat.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[BobR]

Chuck,

Why do you keep replying to that idiot Jaun. Everybody on this group
knows you and knows Jaun. There is not a single participant in this
group that believes anything Jaun has to say. He is an idiot who is
using you to make himself look like something special to his hero Zoom.
He is NOT worth your time or effort to try and make him understand
anything. Besides, he will never own up to being wrong about anything
even when he know better.

If everyone will just quit responding to his posts, he just might
finally get the message and go away. Even if he doesn't, not resonding
to him directly takes away his fun since he feeds on your replies.



ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, John Ammeter says...
>
> >"Even Chuck Steak himself that the airplane
> >will fly without the full enclosure."
> >
> >Hey, jaun.... mind rephrasing the above in English??
> >
>
> John notice how he twists the facts? The question was if the fuselage cover is
> an option and it is not,it's part of the covering package which is NOT an option
> but a complete package which includes wing coverings ,flap coverings etc..
> Everyone in the world understands that except jaun. He acts like he knows more
> about my kit then I do.Your right he is that stupid. Maybe he should go and play
> with his goat and ponder his navel.LOL!!
>
> Chuck S

[Matt Whiting]

BobR wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> Why do you keep replying to that idiot Jaun. Everybody on this group
> knows you and knows Jaun. There is not a single participant in this
> group that believes anything Jaun has to say. He is an idiot who is
> using you to make himself look like something special to his hero Zoom.
> He is NOT worth your time or effort to try and make him understand
> anything. Besides, he will never own up to being wrong about anything
> even when he know better.
>
> If everyone will just quit responding to his posts, he just might
> finally get the message and go away. Even if he doesn't, not resonding
> to him directly takes away his fun since he feeds on your replies.

It is obvious that Chuck is a little bored and needs the comic relief
and entertainment. I don't begrudge him that, but it does seem like
he'd be better off overcoming his boredom by designing a new airplane or
some such! :-)

And then just yawn at Juan...

Matt

[Anthony W]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> BobR wrote:
>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Why do you keep replying to that idiot Jaun. Everybody on this group
>> knows you and knows Jaun. There is not a single participant in this
>> group that believes anything Jaun has to say. He is an idiot who is
>> using you to make himself look like something special to his hero Zoom.
>> He is NOT worth your time or effort to try and make him understand
>> anything. Besides, he will never own up to being wrong about anything
>> even when he know better.
>>
>> If everyone will just quit responding to his posts, he just might
>> finally get the message and go away. Even if he doesn't, not resonding
>> to him directly takes away his fun since he feeds on your replies.
>
>
> It is obvious that Chuck is a little bored and needs the comic relief
> and entertainment. I don't begrudge him that, but it does seem like
> he'd be better off overcoming his boredom by designing a new airplane or
> some such! :-)
>
> And then just yawn at Juan...
>
> Matt

The problem is that wuan gets off on harassing people and has turned his
focus on Chuck. Letting waun's insane posts slide won't make him go
away. If Chuck and others have a little fun screwing with waun while
defending their good name, they damn well deserve it.

Tony

[ower]

"BobR" > skrev i meddelandet
oups.com...
> Chuck,
>
> Why do you keep replying to that idiot Jaun. Everybody on this group
> knows you and knows Jaun. There is not a single participant in this
> group that believes anything Jaun has to say. He is an idiot who is
> using you to make himself look like something special to his hero Zoom.
> He is NOT worth your time or effort to try and make him understand
> anything. Besides, he will never own up to being wrong about anything
> even when he know better.
>
> If everyone will just quit responding to his posts, he just might
> finally get the message and go away. Even if he doesn't, not resonding
> to him directly takes away his fun since he feeds on your replies.
>

PLEASE do not stop replying to the village idiot, his gibberings
are some of the most entertaining things you can possibly find
on the net.

From the other side of the pond Owe R.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <4uxCe.2230$JJ.394@trnddc09>, Anthony W says...
>
>
>The problem is that wuan gets off on harassing people and has turned his
>focus on Chuck. Letting waun's insane posts slide won't make him go
>away. If Chuck and others have a little fun screwing with waun while
>defending their good name, they damn well deserve it.
>

Zoom and now jaun use the same tactic of pretending to be mild mannered
reporters but then they hit you with some untruth or distortion then run.Because
they lie and distort so much they are so easy to counter and prove wrong. Like
the famous "battle of the Dodge truck" :-) Where jaun said I had my truck in
another name to protect it from George Conn. After I produced the titles with my
name on them he shut up and whimpered away. I primarily did that to show that
when I say jaun has no credibility I can prove why I say that.it's so easy.

I realize that any time spent on zoom or jaun can be called a waste of time and
it is. But I do it because to ignore them is to let them "get away with it".
Newbies need to know who they dealing with. zoom will wait for 6 months or so
and then when he has a bunch of newbies who don't know anything about him. He'll
do a bio on himself full of BS and they believe it. Sad part so does he. LOL!!
and jaun too!!!

When cornered to produce facts they run and hide...all sizzle and no bacon.
Years ago zoom almost cost me my business with his BS and I'll not forget
that.Therefore I for one will not let him "get away with it" even if it takes a
couple of minutes once in a while to do it. Besides, now a days it's a hoot
seeing how they try to spin stories in front of the world and try to twist the
facts to fit .That's why ANN in my opinion lacks credibility as a news source,
just look at who the editor and associate editor are.

That's roughly why I do it :-)

See ya

Chuck S

[Barnyard BOb]

On 5 Jul 2005 18:41:34 -0700, wrote:

>>
>> Hey, waddaya know, the brand spanking new world recorld holder for designing
>> the smallest airplane that killed a highly respected billionaire war hero
>> steps up the plate for another dose from the can of Virtual Whoopass.
>> <pfft!> There you go. Enjoy! That's one record I'm sure no one will want to
>> challenge. You're finally as famous as you always wanted to be!
>
>This even surprised me,to what lengths you two low life ass wipes would
>go to continue your vendetta. Match Chucks record against your hero Jim
>Beede. Chuck has something you and your puppet master zzzzoom will
>never have,the respect of his peers.
>
>If you ever get the balls to fly your BD5 I supose we could write Beede
>and say. Hey,waddaya know ,the brand spanking new record holder for
>designing the smallest plane that killed an unemployed,fat ass,unknown
>writer,idiot that nobody gave a **** about.
>
>And finally no I didn't post the last item three times on purpose.
>
>Frank M.Hitlaw
>Jakarta,Indonesia
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

The more you and Chuck tear Jaun a new ass, the more he likes it.
I've never seen such a glutton for punishment....
Just like the good ol' days.

Anyhoo.... you continue to provide a valuable public service exposing
this mean spirited, PITA urchin for what he is in a most entertaining
way.

This dickhead will get his comeuppance one of these days. In the
meantime, we can all get a good laugh at this turd whose goal in life
is to be a punching bag.


~ Barnyard BOb....

A decade of flying my 200 mph RV3 while Jaun gets callouses on his ass
from sitting in his BD5... making macho wannabe motor noises in hopes
of fooling at least one person in the world. ~

[Barnyard BOb]

>>
>>If you ever get the balls to fly your BD5 I supose we could write Beede
>>and say. Hey,waddaya know ,the brand spanking new record holder for
>>designing the smallest plane that killed an unemployed,fat ass,unknown
>>writer,idiot that nobody gave a **** about.
>>
>>Frank M.Hitlaw
>>Jakarta,Indonesia
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>The more you and Chuck tear Jaun a new ass, the more he likes it.
>I've never seen such a glutton for punishment....
>Just like the good ol' days.
>
>Anyhoo.... you continue to provide a valuable public service exposing
>this mean spirited, PITA urchin for what he is in a most entertaining
>way.
>
>This dickhead will get his comeuppance one of these days. In the
>meantime, we can all get a good laugh at this turd whose goal in life
>is to be a punching bag.
>
>
>~ Barnyard BOb....
>
>A decade of flying my 200 mph RV3 while Jaun gets callouses on his ass
>from sitting in his BD5... making macho wannabe motor noises in hopes
>of fooling at least one person in the world. ~


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Anybody know how this *2005* message got in the middle of of my
wishful thinking? :-)

Oh well...
MY BAD!
Back to sleep.


- Barnyard BOb -

[Richard Isakson]

"Barnyard BOb" > wrote in message
...
snip
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Anybody know how this *2005* message got in the middle of of my
> wishful thinking? :-)
>
> Oh well...
> MY BAD!
> Back to sleep.
>
>
> - Barnyard BOb -

Bob,

I have, from time to time, found quotes on the web that were attributed to
me that I never wrote, Most of the quotes are about Juan and while I may
or may not agree with them, I didn't write them. I've always assumed that
Juan was playing games. Remember his boy friend has always said that a time
of reckoning is coming and if Juan may be trying to set up a case that the
world is against him.

Rich Isakson

[BobR]

On Feb 24, 11:33*am, "Richard Isakson" > wrote:
> "Barnyard BOb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> snip
>
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> > Anybody know how this *2005* message got in the middle of of my
> > wishful thinking? * :-)
>
> > Oh well...
> > MY BAD!
> > Back to sleep.
>
> > - Barnyard BOb -
>
> Bob,
>
> I have, from time to time, found quotes on the web that were attributed to
> me that I never wrote, *Most of the quotes are about Juan *and while I may
> or may not agree with them, I didn't write them. *I've always assumed that
> Juan was playing games. *Remember his boy friend has always said that a time
> of reckoning is coming and if Juan may be trying to set up a case that the
> world is against him.
>
> Rich Isakson

Fear not for MorJuan is still alive and stinking up the newsgroups.
He has just moved on th other groups and trying to build an even
larger group of people who hate his every post. Since he move out of
Texas and back to PukeaRiko he has made it his goal to **** off
everyone in Texas with his posts and he is being very successful at
doing so. As always, he can tell more lies, repeat more lies, and
defend them until hell freezes over!