Cockpit visit

[Icarus]

Greetings to all.

I have run into a discussion whose answer is not clear. The question,
especially since 9/11, and its variant is:

Can passengers on commercial flights, during the flight, visit the
flightdeck (with captain's
permission, of course!)?

Essentially, is it the FAA or IATA that makes that determination or is it
air carrier policy?

Any links to the relevant documents would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Charlie
PS. I posted this message twice under other threads. Sorry.

[Chris]

"Icarus" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings to all.
>
> I have run into a discussion whose answer is not clear. The question,
> especially since 9/11, and its variant is:
>
> Can passengers on commercial flights, during the flight, visit the
> flightdeck (with captain's
> permission, of course!)?
>
> Essentially, is it the FAA or IATA that makes that determination or is it
> air carrier policy?
>
> Any links to the relevant documents would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Charlie
> PS. I posted this message twice under other threads. Sorry.

well done you now posted it three times

[Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Chris wrote:
>
> "Icarus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Greetings to all.
> >
> > I have run into a discussion whose answer is not clear. The question,
> > especially since 9/11, and its variant is:
> >
> > Can passengers on commercial flights, during the flight, visit the
> > flightdeck (with captain's
> > permission, of course!)?
> >
> > Essentially, is it the FAA or IATA that makes that determination or is it
> > air carrier policy?
> >
> > Any links to the relevant documents would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Charlie
> > PS. I posted this message twice under other threads. Sorry.
>
> well done you now posted it three times

Well, I was an English major, but one Monday, one Tuesday and two on Wednesday
gives me four...

Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If you come
in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.

TJ
================================================== ===============
Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC]

"Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" wrote:
>
> Chris wrote:
> >
> > "Icarus" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Greetings to all.
> > >
> > > I have run into a discussion whose answer is not clear. The question,
> > > especially since 9/11, and its variant is:
> > >
> > > Can passengers on commercial flights, during the flight, visit the
> > > flightdeck (with captain's
> > > permission, of course!)?
> > >
> > > Essentially, is it the FAA or IATA that makes that determination or is it
> > > air carrier policy?
> > >
> > > Any links to the relevant documents would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Charlie
> > > PS. I posted this message twice under other threads. Sorry.
> >
> > well done you now posted it three times
>
> Well, I was an English major, but one Monday, one Tuesday and two on Wednesday
> gives me four...
>
> Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If you come
> in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.
>
> TJ

Make that five... three yesterday
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Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Juan Jimenez]

"Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
...
> Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If
> you come
> in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.

If he gets permission from the captain and he winds up in a grave, there
will be pilots' families crying over lifetime sentences for murder, after
they get fired by the airline...

[Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If
> > you come
> > in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.
>
> If he gets permission from the captain and he winds up in a grave, there
> will be pilots' families crying over lifetime sentences for murder, after
> they get fired by the airline...

Read it again Juan, both eyes this time
================================================== ===============
Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If
> > you come
> > in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.
>
> If he gets permission from the captain and he winds up in a grave, there
> will be pilots' families crying over lifetime sentences for murder, after
> they get fired by the airline...

In the air, door closed, you come in, BANG BANG BANG, your family, sob sob,
sniff sniff.
================================================== ===============
Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Juan Jimenez]

"Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If
>> > you come
>> > in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.
>>
>> If he gets permission from the captain and he winds up in a grave, there
>> will be pilots' families crying over lifetime sentences for murder, after
>> they get fired by the airline...
>
> Read it again Juan, both eyes this time

You sure you advising what you're practicing? Read it yourself again,
emphasis on the original question.

[Juan Jimenez]

"Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If
>> > you come
>> > in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.
>>
>> If he gets permission from the captain and he winds up in a grave, there
>> will be pilots' families crying over lifetime sentences for murder, after
>> they get fired by the airline...
>
> In the air, door closed, you come in, BANG BANG BANG, your family, sob
> sob,
> sniff sniff.

Door open, captain give permission, bang bang, say goodbye to wings, pilot
certificate, career, family and rest of your life.

Door closed, passenger comes in, no one asks any questions but shoots first,
same result. Guaranteed.

This kind of John Wayne In The Cockpit prepubescent bull**** is precisely
the reason the FFDO program is going to be choked with dental floss until it
keels over and disappears.

Juan

[Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >>
> >> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Ikky, visits are -only- allowed at the gate, when the door is open. If
> >> > you come
> >> > in any other time, your family will be crying over your grave.
> >>
> >> If he gets permission from the captain and he winds up in a grave, there
> >> will be pilots' families crying over lifetime sentences for murder, after
> >> they get fired by the airline...
> >
> > In the air, door closed, you come in, BANG BANG BANG, your family, sob
> > sob,
> > sniff sniff.
>
> Door open, captain give permission, bang bang, say goodbye to wings, pilot
> certificate, career, family and rest of your life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nope. If the door is open at the gate, no security breach has
occurred and we expect visitors.

> Door closed, passenger comes in, no one asks any questions but shoots first,
> same result. Guaranteed.

Again, nope. Security breach had now occurred, the 'visitor' is going down.
Guaranteed.

> This kind of John Wayne In The Cockpit prepubescent bull**** is precisely
> the reason the FFDO program is going to be choked with dental floss until it
> keels over and disappears.
>
> Juan

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA, you a funny guy. It will never disappear. You better get your
meds refilled, you're running low.

================================================== ===============
Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Juan Jimenez]

"Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nope. If the door is open at the gate, no security
> breach has
> occurred and we expect visitors.

Oh, never mind, it just doesn't compute for you. Should have known you were
trying to engage in a battle of wits, unarmed. Back to the playpen with you,
Belushi.

[Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> "Capt. Wild Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
> >
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nope. If the door is open at the gate, no security
> > breach has occurred and we expect visitors.
>
> Oh, never mind, it just doesn't compute for you. Should have known you were
> trying to engage in a battle of wits, unarmed. Back to the playpen with you,
> Belushi.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just how many special service agents does it take to get
you safely boarded? Dont forget your sippy cup and crazy straw...


================================================== ===============
Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Icarus]

Hey guys, thanks for the reply. But it never really answered the question.
I think we all understand that a visit to the cockpit post-9/11 is out of
the question. What I have failed to do, is to find the actual regs. Can
someone help?

Thanks.
Charlie

[Jack Davis]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:51 -0700, "Icarus" >
wrote:

>Hey guys, thanks for the reply. But it never really answered the question.
>I think we all understand that a visit to the cockpit post-9/11 is out of
>the question. What I have failed to do, is to find the actual regs. Can
>someone help?

121.547 Admission to flight deck.

(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft
unless the person being admitted is

(1) A crewmember;

(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier
evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National
Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;

(3) Any person who

(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management
official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator;
and

(ii) Is an employee of

(A) The United States, or

(B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that
admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe
operation; or

(C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and
whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or
advantageous for safe operation.

(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an
appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and
the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the
emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from
the flightdeck in the interests of safety.


-Jack Davis
B737
..
>Charlie

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[Juan Jimenez]

Look... the sandbox is stirring. Oh, wait, it's not a sandbox, it's a kitty
litter box, here comes that Belushi-wannabe again. He's gonna try to prove
the regs are wrong. Again. :)

"Jack Davis" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:51 -0700, "Icarus" >
> wrote:
>
>>Hey guys, thanks for the reply. But it never really answered the
>>question.
>>I think we all understand that a visit to the cockpit post-9/11 is out of
>>the question. What I have failed to do, is to find the actual regs. Can
>>someone help?
>
> 121.547 Admission to flight deck.
>
> (a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft
> unless the person being admitted is
>
> (1) A crewmember;
>
> (2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier
> evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National
> Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;
>
> (3) Any person who
>
> (i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management
> official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator;
> and
>
> (ii) Is an employee of
>
> (A) The United States, or
>
> (B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that
> admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe
> operation; or
>
> (C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and
> whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or
> advantageous for safe operation.
>
> (4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an
> appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and
> the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the
> emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from
> the flightdeck in the interests of safety.
>
>
> -Jack Davis
> B737
> .
>>Charlie
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[Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Hey look, Juanabesomebody is speaking, again. And again, is obviously wrong.
Jack wrote that, not me. You, however, are still a dumbass and a wannbe
planespotter.

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> Look... the sandbox is stirring. Oh, wait, it's not a sandbox, it's a kitty
> litter box, here comes that Belushi-wannabe again. He's gonna try to prove
> the regs are wrong. Again. :)
>
> "Jack Davis" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:51 -0700, "Icarus" >
> > wrote:
================================================== ===============
Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit

[Juan Jimenez]

That post is written by something that is so stupid, if I took its tiny
brain and rolled it down the edge of a razor blade, it would be like a lone
car going down a six lane highway. I suggest you hone your writing skills
before applying borrowed glories as a mere typist.

If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to run an ant's go-kart
around the inside of a donut. You couldn't get a clue during clue mating
season in a field of clues if you smeared your body in musk and did the clue
mating dance. Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were
keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin
Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one
idea and that was wrong."

If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line.
Looking at you, Darwin would NOT be pleased to see how inefficiently
evolution sometimes works. Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic
loser if didn't lack even the dim flicker of sentience needed to qualify as
a imbecile.

No, come to think of it, you would.

To sum up: you are about as smart as your rubber bow tie and two left shoes
suggest, Bozo. Now, go curl back up in your corner, and continue chewing on
your toenails.

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
...
> Hey look, Juanabesomebody is speaking, again. And again, is obviously
> wrong.
> Jack wrote that, not me. You, however, are still a dumbass and a wannbe
> planespotter.
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>> Look... the sandbox is stirring. Oh, wait, it's not a sandbox, it's a
>> kitty
>> litter box, here comes that Belushi-wannabe again. He's gonna try to
>> prove
>> the regs are wrong. Again. :)
>>
>> "Jack Davis" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:51 -0700, "Icarus" >
>> > wrote:
> ================================================== ===============
> Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
> as if any other time isn't worth noting....
> Michael Rarfit

[Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC]

HAHAHAHAHAHA... planespotter pilot wannabe

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> That post is written by something that is so stupid, if I took its tiny
> brain and rolled it down the edge of a razor blade, it would be like a lone
> car going down a six lane highway. I suggest you hone your writing skills
> before applying borrowed glories as a mere typist.
>
> If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to run an ant's go-kart
> around the inside of a donut. You couldn't get a clue during clue mating
> season in a field of clues if you smeared your body in musk and did the clue
> mating dance. Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were
> keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin
> Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one
> idea and that was wrong."
>
> If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line.
> Looking at you, Darwin would NOT be pleased to see how inefficiently
> evolution sometimes works. Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic
> loser if didn't lack even the dim flicker of sentience needed to qualify as
> a imbecile.
>
> No, come to think of it, you would.
>
> To sum up: you are about as smart as your rubber bow tie and two left shoes
> suggest, Bozo. Now, go curl back up in your corner, and continue chewing on
> your toenails.
>
> "Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hey look, Juanabesomebody is speaking, again. And again, is obviously
> > wrong.
> > Jack wrote that, not me. You, however, are still a dumbass and a wannbe
> > planespotter.
> >
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >>
> >> Look... the sandbox is stirring. Oh, wait, it's not a sandbox, it's a
> >> kitty
> >> litter box, here comes that Belushi-wannabe again. He's gonna try to
> >> prove
> >> the regs are wrong. Again. :)
> >>
> >> "Jack Davis" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:25:51 -0700, "Icarus" >
> >> > wrote:
> > ================================================== ===============
> > Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
> > as if any other time isn't worth noting....
> > Michael Rarfit

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Pilots track their lives by the number of hours in the air,
as if any other time isn't worth noting....
Michael Rarfit