New Concorde

[Hilton]

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/06/14/supersonic/

[Greg Farris]

In article et>,
says...
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>http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/06/14/supersonic/
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Yes, the Paris Air Show (Salon du Bourget), currently in full swing, and
traditional home base for many spectacular announcements, has indeed
witnessed this joint statement from Japanese and French interests. Of
course, they've put an estimated development schedule of 30-40 years on
the project, so one could be forgiven for feeling that, at this stage,
it's more big bluff than big business. But then, the A380 was first
mentioned there in 1985, and is flying public demonstrations today - so
the fact of making a splashy announcement at the Paris Air Show does not
necessarily preclude it from becoming a reality!

If I had to bet, I'll wager that Gulfstream does supersonic before
EADS/Airbus does.

G Faris

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:07:45 +0200, Greg Farris >
wrote in >::

>Of
>course, they've put an estimated development schedule of 30-40 years on
>the project, so one could be forgiven for feeling that, at this stage,
>it's more big bluff than big business.

Where did you get that information? The CNN link in the OP only
mentions a "three-year agreement to study a next-generation supersonic
jet."

[Chris]

"Greg Farris" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> says...
>>
>>
>>http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/06/14/supersonic/
>>
>
> Yes, the Paris Air Show (Salon du Bourget), currently in full swing, and
> traditional home base for many spectacular announcements, has indeed
> witnessed this joint statement from Japanese and French interests. Of
> course, they've put an estimated development schedule of 30-40 years on
> the project, so one could be forgiven for feeling that, at this stage,
> it's more big bluff than big business. But then, the A380 was first
> mentioned there in 1985, and is flying public demonstrations today - so
> the fact of making a splashy announcement at the Paris Air Show does not
> necessarily preclude it from becoming a reality!
>
> If I had to bet, I'll wager that Gulfstream does supersonic before
> EADS/Airbus does.

EADS/airbus have already been supersonic before with the original Concorde.

[Greg Farris]

In article >, says...

>EADS/airbus have already been supersonic before with the original Concorde.
>

Neither EADS nor Airbus existed - the project was a Franco-British
consortium.

[Greg Farris]

In article >,
says...

>
>Where did you get that information? The CNN link in the OP only
>mentions a "three-year agreement to study a next-generation supersonic
>jet."

In the live interview, in which M Charles Edelstenne, president of the
French "Groupement des Industries Francaises Aeronautiques et Spatiales"
(GIFAS) made the announcement cited by CNN, he went further to indicate
the 30-40 year development schedule. CNN may not have considered this to
be pertinent information.

G Faris

[Mike W.]

I remember seeing something (Discovery Channel I think) about Boeing using
the Russian SST as a testbed for a possible future 'Concorde'.
"Hilton" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/06/14/supersonic/
>
>

[Greg Farris]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>I remember seeing something (Discovery Channel I think) about Boeing using
>the Russian SST as a testbed for a possible future 'Concorde'.


Yes they did - and they decided unequivocally that supersonic was not an
economically viable option for passenger airline service. Were they right?

G Faris

[Chris]

"Greg Farris" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>
>>EADS/airbus have already been supersonic before with the original
>>Concorde.
>>
>
> Neither EADS nor Airbus existed - the project was a Franco-British
> consortium.


Erm!

" A study commissioned by BA of the case for a £17m refit of the supersonic
aircraft, which came into service in 1976, showed that its viability had
ended with the turn of the century stockmarket boom. At the start of 2003,
Airbus-the modern incarnation of the Anglo-French manufacturing partnership
that created Concorde-told Air France and BA, the aircraft's only operators,
that it could no longer provide technical support for the aircraft at
anything like a commercial price. Air France, which never made as much from
Concorde as BA, stopped flying it in May, but BA said it would keep Concorde
going until October simply to please its fans. "