Camp Scholler without a car?

[Andrew Sarangan]

How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
car. Suggestions appreciated.

[john smith]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
> plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
> car. Suggestions appreciated.

Lots of people do it.
Depending upon how much "stuff" you have to bring with you on the bus,
it should not be problem.

[john smith]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
> plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
> car. Suggestions appreciated.

Another option is to camp in the North 40 with acquaintances and friends.
Camp Scholler's advantage is that it may be closer to what you want to see.

[Jay Honeck]

> How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
> plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
> car. Suggestions appreciated.

I encourage you not to mess with all that. Just fly into OSH and camp in
the North 40 with the rest of us nut-cases!

The arrival procedure is simplicity itself once you have read (and
understood) the NOTAM. Don't be intimidated by it -- over 12,000 pilots
of all skills and experience do it every July -- you can too.

Waking up in the morning next to your airplane, with 11,999 of your closest
friends stretched to the horizon in all directions, is truly an experience.
And to avoid the daily hassle of catching a shuttle bus is worth its weight
in gold.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
[snip]
> I encourage you not to mess with all that. Just fly into OSH and camp in
> the North 40 with the rest of us nut-cases!


I suspect it's a commercial flight.


Montblack

[NW_PILOT]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Dzqte.68837$x96.21161@attbi_s72...
> > How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
> > plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
> > car. Suggestions appreciated.
>
> I encourage you not to mess with all that. Just fly into OSH and camp in
> the North 40 with the rest of us nut-cases!
>
> The arrival procedure is simplicity itself once you have read (and
> understood) the NOTAM. Don't be intimidated by it -- over 12,000 pilots
> of all skills and experience do it every July -- you can too.
>
> Waking up in the morning next to your airplane, with 11,999 of your
closest
> friends stretched to the horizon in all directions, is truly an
experience.
> And to avoid the daily hassle of catching a shuttle bus is worth its
weight
> in gold.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

Bet you it smells after 1 day, and public showers yuck!~

[Margy]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
> plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
> car. Suggestions appreciated.
>
You can live at OSH during the show easily without a car. If you arrive
before the show opens there are NO busses but the camp store isn't too
bad. Oshkosh Cab does a very good job when you need to get out (not
cheap, but available). I'm sure you will find a neighbor with a car who
will let you ride along when they go to the grocery. If you don't
plan on cooking you will not have any problems without a car. We've
camped in Vintage for years with no car and you can spit from Vintage to
Scholler.

Margy

[Jay Honeck]

> Bet you it smells after 1 day, and public showers yuck!~

Nope. The EAA volunteers keep that place spotless, as do the participants.
Hell, even the Porta-Potties smell like pina coladas nowadays!

The showers? Well, if you're shy, they're not the place to be. But they
are free, cleaned thoroughly several times daily, neat, and, boy, do they
feel good after 12 hours in the blazing sun...

The Oshkosh experience is waking up next to your plane, in the middle of
12,000 like-minded aviation enthusiasts. I attended OSH 16 times before
having the privilege of camping in the North 40 (which I've now done for the
last six years), and I'm here to tell you that Oshkosh without camping is
like sex without, well, you know...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ron Natalie]

john smith wrote:
> Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>
>> How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car?
>> I plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a
>> rental car. Suggestions appreciated.
>
>
> Another option is to camp in the North 40 with acquaintances and friends.
> Camp Scholler's advantage is that it may be closer to what you want to see.

....or the south 40.

[john smith]

Ron Natalie wrote:
>> Another option is to camp in the North 40 with acquaintances and friends.
>> Camp Scholler's advantage is that it may be closer to what you want to
>> see.

> ...or the south 40.

Or as we in the North 40 refer to it... either "The Wilderness" or
"Primative Camping".

[Andrew Sarangan]

Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
into Appleton. The problem is I am arriving at 7:30pm, and the last bus
to OSH is at 6:00pm. So I will have to catch a taxi (expensive) or look
for someone to share a ride with. Do you know of any ride share boards?





Jay Honeck wrote:
> > How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
> > plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
> > car. Suggestions appreciated.
>
> I encourage you not to mess with all that. Just fly into OSH and camp in
> the North 40 with the rest of us nut-cases!
>
> The arrival procedure is simplicity itself once you have read (and
> understood) the NOTAM. Don't be intimidated by it -- over 12,000 pilots
> of all skills and experience do it every July -- you can too.
>
> Waking up in the morning next to your airplane, with 11,999 of your closest
> friends stretched to the horizon in all directions, is truly an experience.
> And to avoid the daily hassle of catching a shuttle bus is worth its weight
> in gold.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
> into Appleton. The problem is I am arriving at 7:30pm, and the last bus
> to OSH is at 6:00pm. So I will have to catch a taxi (expensive) or look
> for someone to share a ride with. Do you know of any ride share boards?

What dates are you arriving/departing?
Andrew, what city are you leaving from?

[Jay Honeck]

> Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
> into Appleton.

Appleton has commercial service now? Wow, I guess things have changed
since I last flew in there ten years ago...

Hope to catch you at OSH.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Appleton actually has realatively good service these days, and they've
spruced up the terminal. I've used it on occasion visiting my parents
in Neenah. OSH has none to speak of now, I think those Beech 1900's
stopped coming a few years ago (but I may be wrong).

Ryan W.

[Ron Natalie]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
>>into Appleton.
>
>
> Appleton has commercial service now? Wow, I guess things have changed
> since I last flew in there ten years ago...
>
Appleton has had commercial service for a decade or so. Oshkosh lost
their few United Express flights they had. You can get into Appleton
on Delta, NW, or Continental (well, their commuter affiliates at least).

[George Patterson]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
> into Appleton. The problem is I am arriving at 7:30pm, and the last bus
> to OSH is at 6:00pm. So I will have to catch a taxi (expensive) or look
> for someone to share a ride with. Do you know of any ride share boards?

There's a ride share board on the EAA web site. So far, I've gotten no action
from my ad on it (wanting a ride).

One thing you might check into. Does Hertz, Avis, or any other major company
rent cars at both Appleton and Osh? It may be cost-effective to rent a car one
way. If you try to do this, you will have to call the local number of the office
from which you wish to rent. The national operators will simply tell you they
don't have cars. I did this when I picked up my Maule; flew commercial into
Atlanta, rented a car, and turned it in at Columbus (closest office to Moultrie).

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

[Montblack]

("Andrew Sarangan" wrote)
> Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
> into Appleton. The problem is I am arriving at 7:30pm, and the last bus
> to OSH is at 6:00pm. So I will have to catch a taxi (expensive) or look
> for someone to share a ride with. Do you know of any ride share boards?


Day arriving ?? We might have another couple of options for you.

You?
http://www.sarangan.org/aviation/europa/index.html
Nice plane!!!


Montblack :-)
For the tough jobs, they always call in the minivans!!

[Dave Butler]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>How practical is it to stay at Camp Scholler (Oshkosh) without a car? I
>>plan to fly into Appleton, and take a bus to OSH thus avoiding a rental
>>car. Suggestions appreciated.
>
>
> I encourage you not to mess with all that. Just fly into OSH and camp in
> the North 40 with the rest of us nut-cases!
>
> The arrival procedure is simplicity itself once you have read (and
> understood) the NOTAM. Don't be intimidated by it -- over 12,000 pilots
> of all skills and experience do it every July -- you can too.
>
> Waking up in the morning next to your airplane, with 11,999 of your closest
> friends stretched to the horizon in all directions, is truly an experience.
> And to avoid the daily hassle of catching a shuttle bus is worth its weight
> in gold.

I'm with Jay on that. I flew into Appleton and took the bus one time when I
miscalculated my arrival time and got to OSH just as the airport was closing for
the air show. ATC at Appleton was the worst, FBO was about the same level, gas
prices outrageous, bus schedule erratic, and schlepping my gear around after
getting off the bus was a pain. Just fly into OSH.

Dave

[Andrew Sarangan]

john smith wrote:
> Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> > Unfortunately I don't have that option because I am flying commercial
> > into Appleton. The problem is I am arriving at 7:30pm, and the last bus
> > to OSH is at 6:00pm. So I will have to catch a taxi (expensive) or look
> > for someone to share a ride with. Do you know of any ride share boards?
>
> What dates are you arriving/departing?
> Andrew, what city are you leaving from?

I am arriving Friday 29th at 7:30pm into Appleton. Coming from
Cincinnati.

[Andrew Sarangan]

Actually, there appears to be lots of commercial service into Appleton.
It must be an Oshkosh special. From Cincinnati, I can fly non-stop on
Delta, for only $230 return fare. They also have lots of flights into
Green Bay.

[Andrew Sarangan]

All rental cars at Appleton and Green Bay are sold out. Not surprising.
There are some available at exorbitant prices ($80/day).

[Andrew Sarangan]

I am interested in your options. What are they? Share a cab, pay for
gas etc... I am ready for it.

That plane on my website is the factory photo. Mine is still in pieces
in the workshop (been that way for five years).

[Darrel Toepfer]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

> That plane on my website is the factory photo. Mine is still in pieces
> in the workshop (been that way for five years).

Great job on the second workshop...

[Montblack]

("Andrew Sarangan" wrote)
> I am interested in your options. What are they? Share a cab, pay for
> gas etc... I am ready for it.


I'll swing up Friday evening and pick you up, if that works for you.

>I am arriving Friday 29th at 7:30pm into Appleton. Coming from Cincinnati.

I'm heading back to the Twin Cities on Saturday the 30th, so it'll have to
be a one-way offer :-)

What's your lodging plans? Sleeping by the planes? I'm at a campground down
by the seaplane base this year. You can throw up your tent next to the
minivan on Friday night, but I'm leaving Saturday so you'll also need a
weekend Plan B for sleeping. The minivan is my tent. <g>

http://www.circle-r-camp.com/

Electric hookup at my site and showers, plus it's good for two campers, so
you're welcome ...for one night anyway. However, if you can sleep under
someones wing in the N40 or Vintage, I'd recommend that - more Oshkoshy for
a short stay :-)


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Montblack" wrote)
> What's your lodging plans? Sleeping by the planes? I'm at a campground
> down by the seaplane base this year. You can throw up your tent next to
> the minivan on Friday night, but I'm leaving Saturday so you'll also need
> a weekend Plan B for sleeping. The minivan is my tent. <g>
>
> http://www.circle-r-camp.com/


Forgot to add, UW-OSH dorms might have rooms available by Friday night - if
you want to check out that option first before sleeping under the stars.
There's a bus service to the grounds from the dorms.


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> What's your lodging plans? Sleeping by the planes? I'm at a campground down
> by the seaplane base this year.

You're staying (*gasp!*) off-site this year? No more leaky tents in a
driving downpour in the North 40? What's up with THAT?

;-)

> Electric hookup at my site and showers, plus it's good for two campers, so
> you're welcome ...for one night anyway. However, if you can sleep under
> someones wing in the N40 or Vintage, I'd recommend that - more Oshkoshy for
> a short stay :-)

Hey, Andrew -- you can pitch your tent on the other side of Atlas from
us, if you'd like. That's the spot we *had* reserved for Montblack,
but he seems to have (*sniff*) abandoned us this year...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Andrew, I live in Appleton, and I could pick you up at the airport and drive
you down to Oshkosh. No charge, just consider it a favor to be paid forward
(do something equally nice for someone else someday). Anyone else needing
to be picked up at ATW (Appleton) let me know and I'll see if my schedule
permits. Jay, Appleton has had good scheduled service for some time, at
least since before 1991 when I moved here to take a job as an avionics tech
with Air Wisconsin/United Express. The job didn't last long though; I was
laid off 9 months later, on April 1, 1992... Now I work at Pierce Mfg, the
USA's largest firetruck manufacturer. Air Wisconsin moved their maintenance
down to Milwaukee a couple of years ago, but they and a few other carriers
fly in regularly, many times a day. Pierce is under the approach path to
runway 29 at ATW, so I get to see a lot of BAe-146s, Canadair RJs, and
Dorniers amongst others. Gulfstream also has a completion center here, so
you can occasionally see some pretty fancy corporate jets.
Scott Wilson

[StellaStarr]

wrote:
Now I work at Pierce Mfg, the
> USA's largest firetruck manufacturer.

woo hoo!
So we could ride there and back in a big red truck?
C'mon, they'll let you borrow one for just a day or two... :-)

[Montblack]

("StellaStarr" wrote)
>> Now I work at Pierce Mfg, the USA's largest firetruck manufacturer.

> woo hoo!
> So we could ride there and back in a big red truck?
> C'mon, they'll let you borrow one for just a day or two... :-)


Stella, if the big red truck is a no-go, any chance you'd settle for last
year's "firemens calander?"


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> You're staying (*gasp!*) off-site this year? No more leaky tents in a
> driving downpour in the North 40? What's up with THAT?

We found the tent's "original" rain-fly when Margene's sister moved this
spring. A side note to campers: Do not let four inches of plastic ground
tarp stick out from underneath one side of your tent. Doh!


> Hey, Andrew -- you can pitch your tent on the other side of Atlas from
> us, if you'd like. That's the spot we *had* reserved for Montblack,
> but he seems to have (*sniff*) abandoned us this year...

Aw shucks, I haven't abandoned you. I'm off exploring, that's all. <g>


Montblack

[Montblack]

)
> Andrew, I live in Appleton, and I could pick you up at the airport and
> drive
> you down to Oshkosh. No charge, just consider it a favor to be paid
> forward
> (do something equally nice for someone else someday). Anyone else needing
> to be picked up at ATW (Appleton) let me know and I'll see if my schedule
> permits.


See, lots of options... :-)

Take Scott up on his offer, since he knows the airport, and the area, better
than the rest of us.

Hope to bump into you this year - if you sleep next to Atlas on Friday
night, I will for sure meet you.


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

>> Hey, Andrew -- you can pitch your tent on the other side of Atlas from
>> us, if you'd like. That's the spot we *had* reserved for Montblack,
>> but he seems to have (*sniff*) abandoned us this year...
>
> Aw shucks, I haven't abandoned you. I'm off exploring, that's all. <g>
>
>
> Montblack

'S'okay, man, I'm just giving you a hard time.

Looks like Andrew is going to pitch his tent with us, at least one of the
nights he's there.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay, Appleton has had good scheduled service for some time, at
> least since before 1991 (Snip) Air Wisconsin moved their maintenance
> down to Milwaukee a couple of years ago, but they and a few other carriers
> fly in regularly, many times a day.

Thanks for the update.

That's astonishing, really. I like Appleton -- a lot -- but what is there
to justify several-times-daily airline service? Is the local city
government paying some sort of a subsidy to Air Wisconsin?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:H_Fue.99105$nG6.4927@attbi_s22...
>> Jay, Appleton has had good scheduled service for some time, at
>> least since before 1991 (Snip) Air Wisconsin moved their maintenance
>> down to Milwaukee a couple of years ago, but they and a few other
>> carriers
>> fly in regularly, many times a day.
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> That's astonishing, really. I like Appleton -- a lot -- but what is
> there to justify several-times-daily airline service? Is the local city
> government paying some sort of a subsidy to Air Wisconsin?
> --


Not the city... Uncle Sam. It's part of the Essential Air Service program.
Check this link you'll be amazed...

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/rural/49deter.pdf

[Jay Honeck]

>> That's astonishing, really. I like Appleton -- a lot -- but what is
>> there to justify several-times-daily airline service? Is the local city
>> government paying some sort of a subsidy to Air Wisconsin?
>> --
>
>
> Not the city... Uncle Sam. It's part of the Essential Air Service program.
> Check this link you'll be amazed...
>
> http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/rural/49deter.pdf

Wow, I thought most of those subsidies had been eliminated back when the air
mail routes were consolidated in the early 1970s. (That's when most rural
airports lost their airline service.)

I wonder whose butt you have to kiss to get your airport on that list?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> That's astonishing, really. I like Appleton -- a lot -- but what is
> there to justify several-times-daily airline service? Is the local city
> government paying some sort of a subsidy to Air Wisconsin?


It's a bustling little airport.
http://www.atwairport.com/
(Arr/Dep - lower right on their home page)

Thursday, June 23, 2005 (5:15pm)

5814 Detroit 5:31 PM On Time 5
5307 Chicago 5:48 PM On Time 4
1027 Milwaukee 6:10 PM Delayed 8
3786 Minneapolis 6:10 PM On Time 5
5683 Chicago 6:51 PM On Time 4
3455 Detroit 7:38 PM On Time 5
2106 Milwaukee 8:12 PM On Time 8
5921 Chicago 8:41 PM On Time 4
5693 Minneapolis 8:45 PM On Time 5
5080 Cincinnati 9:11 PM On Time 3
4406 Atlanta 9:47 PM On Time 3
5925 Chicago 10:06 PM On Time 4
2309 Milwaukee 10:32 PM On Time 8
2940 Minneapolis 11:30 PM On Time 5


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Looks like Andrew is going to pitch his tent with us, at least one of the
> nights he's there.


Have you sent out your big white Alexis Park Inn sign to have Iowa City
added to it?


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> Have you sent out your big white Alexis Park Inn sign to have Iowa City
> added to it?

> Have you sent out your big white Alexis Park Inn sign to have Iowa City
> added to it?

Thanks, man -- I would have forgotten all about that!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:sdGue.99121$nG6.61177@attbi_s22...
>>> That's astonishing, really. I like Appleton -- a lot -- but what is
>>> there to justify several-times-daily airline service? Is the local
>>> city government paying some sort of a subsidy to Air Wisconsin?
>>> --
>>
>>
>> Not the city... Uncle Sam. It's part of the Essential Air Service
>> program. Check this link you'll be amazed...
>>
>> http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/rural/49deter.pdf
>
> Wow, I thought most of those subsidies had been eliminated back when the
> air mail routes were consolidated in the early 1970s. (That's when most
> rural airports lost their airline service.)
>
> I wonder whose butt you have to kiss to get your airport on that list?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

It was shortly after that when the program was started. My town El Dorado,
AR (KELD) has been under the program since the late 70's, Infact my high
school job was gate agent for the ESA carrier at the time Skyways which was
later purchased by Midwest. The carrier now is Mesa.

I noticed on the above file Iowa City was listed but didn't have a
determination you and your chamber need to get with it. Go to your congress
criters that's how we did it.

[[email protected]]

The "Fox Cities" of OSH, thru to Appleton (including about 3 or 4
others) has a fairly bustling business/industrial base. A bunch of
paper companies, insurance, Kimberly-Clark, etc.
I distinctly remember that OSH had the subsidized Beech 1900's coming
in and out (something like "Great Lakes Air" or similar, and those
planes were empty alot of the time!), but ATW I think is mostly
bustling because the area is growing quite extensively.
Appleton has won the business traveling crowd, hands down.

Ryan W.