Trip from MA to MN

[William Snow]

I am planning a trip in a single (Arrow) from MA to MN July 10th. I am
looking for recommendations as to whether to go north of the lakes or south
along the shore of the lakes. The US portion has a lot more airports but is
longer than a route north of the lakes over Canada. Any recommendations?

[[email protected]]

Depends on making time or just having a nice trip! Then too, you'll
have to contend with ADIZ, customs, etc. Just my thoughts. where you
going in MN?
Ol Shy & Bashful - crop dusting again near KPKD

[William Snow]

Headed to a family reunion. Likely will land at (MIC) Crystal, and visit
family. At some point we will head to Milacs Lake for a day and then down to
the Iowa City area to check out the "Alexis Park Inn" then home the southern
route. Still need to make res'v in IA but will do in time.

[Jay Honeck]

> Headed to a family reunion. Likely will land at (MIC) Crystal, and visit
> family. At some point we will head to Milacs Lake for a day and then down to
> the Iowa City area to check out the "Alexis Park Inn" then home the southern
> route. Still need to make res'v in IA but will do in time.

Ah, now you're *talking*! :-)

Come on July 23rd, and you can join us for our pre-Oshkosh Fly In Pool
Party! (Come meet Jim Weir and his wife Gail, Jack Allison and his
brother, and a host of other pilots, all en route to the Big One in
OSH)

Personally, I would recommend going over the top of the lakes, if
weather permits. I've flown that route once (well, actually we flew up
Wisconsin's Door peninsula, island hopped over to Mackinac Island, and
then flew down into Michigan) and it is absolutely gorgeous.

The weather can go from beautiful to wicked quickly, however.

Going around the bottom of the lakes isn't bad (the Great Lakes look
good from any angle, really) -- but flying over big cities just isn't
very fun or pretty...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

Depends on the weather and the winds.

William Snow wrote:
> I am planning a trip in a single (Arrow) from MA to MN July 10th. I am
> looking for recommendations as to whether to go north of the lakes or south
> along the shore of the lakes. The US portion has a lot more airports but is
> longer than a route north of the lakes over Canada. Any recommendations?

[Newps]

wrote:


> Ol Shy & Bashful - crop dusting again near KPKD

Really? I've spent a lot of time in tht area at various resorts. Still
my favorite part of the state.

[[email protected]]

Well some of the folks don't think so when we fly over <ggg> Pretty
area and lots of visitors.

[Alan]

Whichever route you take, be sure to bring along superstrength
mosquito repellent.


On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:29:33 -0400, "William Snow"
> wrote:

>I am planning a trip in a single (Arrow) from MA to MN July 10th. I am
>looking for recommendations as to whether to go north of the lakes or south
>along the shore of the lakes. The US portion has a lot more airports but is
>longer than a route north of the lakes over Canada. Any recommendations?
>
>

[john smith]

T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:
> I'm going to OSH from southern NY. For me, it's longer over
> the lakes than under. In addition, crossing into CA
> involves customs issues with potential delays that I didn't
> want to deal with.

Only if you cannot make it from Buffalo to Port Huron on one tank!

[George Patterson]

john smith wrote:
> T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:
>
>> I'm going to OSH from southern NY. For me, it's longer over
>> the lakes than under. In addition, crossing into CA
>> involves customs issues with potential delays that I didn't
>> want to deal with.
>
> Only if you cannot make it from Buffalo to Port Huron on one tank!

This was true before 9/11. Now, there are some security issues. Perhaps Customs
isn't the right word, but Todd would at least have some paperwork to deal with.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

[Peter R.]

George Patterson > wrote:

> This was true before 9/11. Now, there are some security issues. Perhaps Customs
> isn't the right word, but Todd would at least have some paperwork to deal with.

Not true if one flies over Canada IFR, unless you call filing a standard
FAA IFR flight plan paperwork. :)

Additionally, somehow and someway there are parts of lower Canadian
airspace (lower Ontario) that are handled by Cleveland Center.

When I took my across-the-US flight last Memorial Day from upstate NY, I
was given a route that took me over the northern shore of Lake Erie,
clearly over Canadian soil. Yet I only spoke to Cleveland Center.

--
Peter
























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[George Patterson]

Peter R. wrote:
>
> Not true if one flies over Canada IFR, unless you call filing a standard
> FAA IFR flight plan paperwork. :)

Yeah, I keep thinking VFR.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

[H.P.]

In an Arrow, my personal minimums would dictate: max airports and min water.

"William Snow" > wrote in message
...
>I am planning a trip in a single (Arrow) from MA to MN July 10th. I am
>looking for recommendations as to whether to go north of the lakes or south
>along the shore of the lakes. The US portion has a lot more airports but is
>longer than a route north of the lakes over Canada. Any recommendations?
>
>
>

[William Snow]

Thanks for the tip on the mosquito repellant.

The actual decision as to go north or south will ultimately be decided by
the weather.

The northern route is devoid of airports for emergency landing where as the
southern route is littered with them. A major consideration for me.

Weather is another.

I hold an IR so IFR no problem. I do not like long water crossings in a
single engine Piper however.

Lot's to think about.

[William Snow]

I agree totally.

[jsmith]

George Patterson wrote:
> Yeah, I keep thinking VFR.

You only have to file a DVFR flight plan.
The only people you talk to are FSS when you file.

[jsmith]

George Patterson wrote:
> Yeah, I keep thinking VFR.

I don't even remember filing a DVFR flight plan on my last trip from
Columbus OH to Marysville MI, overflying southwest Ontario. I only did
VFR flight following across Lake Erie.

[jsmith]

William Snow wrote:
> Thanks for the tip on the mosquito repellant.
> The northern route is devoid of airports for emergency landing where as the
> southern route is littered with them. A major consideration for me.
> Weather is another.
> I hold an IR so IFR no problem. I do not like long water crossings in a
> single engine Piper however.

If you fly from Buffalo to Port Huron, there are quite a few airports
along your route and no water. From Port Huron, fly northwest to
northern Michigan, again, airports and no water. Cross the Bay to
Wisconsin and fly on to MN.

[Ron Natalie]

jsmith wrote:
> George Patterson wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I keep thinking VFR.
>
>
> You only have to file a DVFR flight plan.
> The only people you talk to are FSS when you file.
>
DVFR's are for the (real, not the DC) ADIZ. There
is no ADIZ between US and Canada (Canada has it's own
ADIZ off shore).

[George Patterson]

jsmith wrote:
> George Patterson wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I keep thinking VFR.
>
> I don't even remember filing a DVFR flight plan on my last trip from
> Columbus OH to Marysville MI, overflying southwest Ontario. I only did
> VFR flight following across Lake Erie.

Well, I recall a recent thread, which Jay Honeck started by posting his plans to
fly to DC from somewhere or other. Apparently a direct course would have taken
him through Canadian airspace. Seems to me there was a bit more to it, according
to a few posters then.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.