Helicopter Ag flying

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As a lurker for some time, I am in awe of the ability it must take to
be an ag flyer. I have flown helis for several years but only as a PP.
The gentleman here who professes to be an ag pilot has more than a
little daring in him to perform some of his required feats.
I also "sort of" understand the other guy/gal who posted on another
thread questioning his statements. It didn't need to be taken to the
level of calling the gentleman a liar but the ag flyer's daily quests
were pretty dramatic. And I would hate to have him insured, that's for
sure. :)
Anyway, just wanted to say hello and kudos to anyone with that talent.

[[email protected]]

Yep I've been an ag pilot for a lot of years now and all I said are
accurate statements. I still maintain the only thing more fun than
watching a good ag pilot is actually doing it!
Insurance is always a question and expensive and especially if there is
anything more dangerous than eating Fritos and watching TV.
Cheers
Rocky

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Kev
I know many instances when low time pilots were able to start in ag
being in the proverbial right place/time. Not all pilots or people have
the aptitude for ag work. I've seen several high time airline pilots
who took a fling at ag work and couldn't get within 30' of the surface,
or get the hang of it. Conversely, I've seen the low time guys who took
to it like ducks to water. In my case, I had about 1500 hours when an
ag pilot friend of mine asked if I wanted to do ag work in a Piper
Pawnee. I told him I didn't know squat about ag and he asked again if I
wanted to do ag work? So, I said OK and called a friend of his who
needed a pilot. It went from there and I made the usual stupid
mistakes, got into wrong fields, generally embarrassed myself. But, the
boss hung in there with me and asked me back for the next season. I
think I logged something like 4-500 hours that first year.
I know a young englishman who came to us looking for work as a loader,
or mechanic and was extremely proud of his 65 hours and private license
rotorcraft. The boss took a chance on him as a loader/general mechanic,
and I began to give him some dual on the way to fields. He quickly
learned that he didn't know **** about flying! But, he stuck it out and
by the end of the season borrowed money from his parents to get his
commercial during the winter. He flew with HAI in Concord CA and had
his commercial by the following season. Little by little he gained
experience literally from the ground up and has since been flying full
time in ag mostly flying a Hiller 12. He was also sent to AStar school
by one of the farmers who bought one, and Steve flies it part time as
time permits.
So, its hard to say just how to break in. the apprenticeship is the
tough part with little pay, no benefits and godawful hours. My present
company has been known to take on new pilots but I don't know if they
also did the ground time or not. I can always ask?
Best of luck.
Rocky

[SHIVER ME TIMBERS]

> wrote:

> As a lurker for some time, I am in awe of the ability it must take to
> be an ag flyer. I have flown helis for several years but only as a PP.

> Anyway, just wanted to say hello and kudos to anyone with that talent.

Well don't be afraid to hit that post button from time to time.

As an armchair pilot and general lurker I try to do what I can to throw
a few comments and questions into the group, but my job so to speak is
to be positive, slap people on the back, congratulate them for their
accomplishments, ask what I hope are logical and curious questions from
time to time, and to not get into areas of technical expertise etc.,
that I am not qualified to speak on.

TO THE GENERAL LURKERS AND PILOTS WHO CRUISE ON BY HERE
FROM TIME TO TIME.

This group could use some positive individuals who have an active or
general interest in helicopters both military and civil.

People who don't want to get into arguements or ****ing matches over
what is bigger better or goes bang bang more often than something else.

Right now as all of you can see there are only a few people
participating on a regular basis and unfortunately over the past few
years for whatever reason some of the main regulars have faded away.

Micbloo and Bob Barbanes are probably the best two examples.

I know the conversations might not be the most interesting, and to some
they might even be boring simplistic and repetitious but that's the
nature of usenet.

So why don't some of you limber up those fingers, come into the group
if for no other reason that to tell us that you are out there lurking,
maybe give a bit if a descriptive bio on yourself, and let us know that
there are people out there reading what the posters have to say.

I know that the effort that Kevin has made over these past six months
has been appreciated and well received, and who can't imagine what it's
like to be in Rockie's shoes if only in our dreams for a few wishful
minutes.

Why heck... If I was a younger man in better health with some time and
money I might even mosey on over to Hennie's neck of the woods just to
mooch a ride with him in some of those interesting flying machines he's
working on.

Now I know that some of you come from military backgrounds and perhaps
some of the military newsgroups are more appropriate for your chats
about heavy iron but over the years there have been numerous
interesting threads held by mature, qualified people on what's what
with some of the military machines in use today.

Heck I've even made a few comments about our own military helicopter
fleet as it pertains to the phasing out of the Sea Kings and what's not
to like about those gorgeous Cormorants decked out in the Canadian flag
on a yellow background.

The fact that they were about twelve years late in coming blah blah
blah... well that's another story.

So if your reading this... and frankly who isn't, and you have a few
minutes, and frankly who doesn't, then why don't you post a fast note
to the group and tell us your alive and kicking.

And if you have a personal helicopter story good bad or indiffernt then
why don't you post it for the group to read.

[Warner]

Yes, this site seems to be sort of slow. I wonder if it's simply a case
of not many pilots being aware?
Yahoo Groups has a nice site for helicopters and it's called:
"robinsonr22helicopters" and it's a part of Yahoo! Groups.
Quite a few post there.
How many rated pilots do we have here?
Best wishes,
Warner

SHIVER ME TIMBERS wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > As a lurker for some time, I am in awe of the ability it must take to
> > be an ag flyer. I have flown helis for several years but only as a PP.
>
> > Anyway, just wanted to say hello and kudos to anyone with that talent.
>
> Well don't be afraid to hit that post button from time to time.
>
> As an armchair pilot and general lurker I try to do what I can to throw
> a few comments and questions into the group, but my job so to speak is
> to be positive, slap people on the back, congratulate them for their
> accomplishments, ask what I hope are logical and curious questions from
> time to time, and to not get into areas of technical expertise etc.,
> that I am not qualified to speak on.
>
> TO THE GENERAL LURKERS AND PILOTS WHO CRUISE ON BY HERE
> FROM TIME TO TIME.
>
> This group could use some positive individuals who have an active or
> general interest in helicopters both military and civil.
>
> People who don't want to get into arguements or ****ing matches over
> what is bigger better or goes bang bang more often than something else.
>
> Right now as all of you can see there are only a few people
> participating on a regular basis and unfortunately over the past few
> years for whatever reason some of the main regulars have faded away.
>
> Micbloo and Bob Barbanes are probably the best two examples.
>
> I know the conversations might not be the most interesting, and to some
> they might even be boring simplistic and repetitious but that's the
> nature of usenet.
>
> So why don't some of you limber up those fingers, come into the group
> if for no other reason that to tell us that you are out there lurking,
> maybe give a bit if a descriptive bio on yourself, and let us know that
> there are people out there reading what the posters have to say.
>
> I know that the effort that Kevin has made over these past six months
> has been appreciated and well received, and who can't imagine what it's
> like to be in Rockie's shoes if only in our dreams for a few wishful
> minutes.
>
> Why heck... If I was a younger man in better health with some time and
> money I might even mosey on over to Hennie's neck of the woods just to
> mooch a ride with him in some of those interesting flying machines he's
> working on.
>
> Now I know that some of you come from military backgrounds and perhaps
> some of the military newsgroups are more appropriate for your chats
> about heavy iron but over the years there have been numerous
> interesting threads held by mature, qualified people on what's what
> with some of the military machines in use today.
>
> Heck I've even made a few comments about our own military helicopter
> fleet as it pertains to the phasing out of the Sea Kings and what's not
> to like about those gorgeous Cormorants decked out in the Canadian flag
> on a yellow background.
>
> The fact that they were about twelve years late in coming blah blah
> blah... well that's another story.
>
> So if your reading this... and frankly who isn't, and you have a few
> minutes, and frankly who doesn't, then why don't you post a fast note
> to the group and tell us your alive and kicking.
>
> And if you have a personal helicopter story good bad or indiffernt then
> why don't you post it for the group to read.

[Beav]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> As a lurker for some time, I am in awe of the ability it must take to
> be an ag flyer. I have flown helis for several years but only as a PP.
> The gentleman here who professes to be an ag pilot has more than a
> little daring in him to perform some of his required feats.
> I also "sort of" understand the other guy/gal who posted on another
> thread questioning his statements. It didn't need to be taken to the
> level of calling the gentleman a liar but the ag flyer's daily quests
> were pretty dramatic.

Don't you think YOU'RE giving the impression that Selway's lying? It
certainly comes across like that to me.

And I would hate to have him insured, that's for
> sure. :)

After many thousands of hours doing ag work, I believe he'd be the first in
line if I were an insurer. He's still here after all, and the companies that
insure ag pilots know it's a risky occupation, so they'be looking to insure
experienced pilots with REAL experience.

> Anyway, just wanted to say hello and kudos to anyone with that talent.

Beav

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Beav,
I was not calling anyone a liar. Not in any way. I just meant that the
ag flyer was relating some dramtic stuff. And he was...it would take my
breath away for sure and I am a pilot. Are you?

And FYI: life insurance is nearly impossible to get these days for a
decent price if you are a professional helicopter pilot.

Seems like you are quick to leap to conclusions. I didn't read the ag
pilot being insulted.
Is this the reason why not many post here?

[Franklin Newton]

I had sent this along and I thought it should be shared by all.
Well, you get to be an Ag-Pilot by starting out as a flagman or loader not
as an aircraft commander. As a flagman you learn what the crops look like,
where the fields you do are, you learn to look for hazards to the job (not
obstructions) and finally you get to watch a journeyman pilot, you get to
see how he handles various obstructions, how he plans to work the field and
why and finally if he wrecks you learn what not to do!
As a loader you learn about the various chemicals used, on what crops and
why, how much the particular aircraft will carry including fuel.
And then if they think your not a complete nincompoop, you will be allowed
to ferry the aircraft back to it's base at the end of the day. So when the
day comes for your first load you have a little time in type, a knowledge of
what you're going to do and why. but I bet Rocky is much more eloquent than
I and he is for real.

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On 22 Jun 2005 14:45:45 -0700, wrote:
>
> >Yep I've been an ag pilot for a lot of years now and all I said are
> >accurate statements. I still maintain the only thing more fun than
> >watching a good ag pilot is actually doing it!
> >Insurance is always a question and expensive and especially if there is
> >anything more dangerous than eating Fritos and watching TV.
> >Cheers
> >Rocky
>
> Just how does one break into the ag flying gig? Seems like you really
> need to have a lot of experience before you even attempt to do the ag
> thing... The old Catch-22.. Gotta have experience ot get the job,
> but you can't get the job 'cuz you don't have the experience.
>
>

[Brett Sumpter]

My first flying job was ag work - but I didn't just walk into it off
the streets, I'd been working for that operator as a combination
loader/truck driver/A&P mechanic for over a year. As a matter of fact,
that's how I built up the flight time to get my CPL in the first place
- I had just over 40 hours when I got my PPL, started ferrying
helicopters between job sites to build time.

It took a year or so to get 150 hours TT, even considering how crappy
the pay was I still came out ahead. Plus I had that first job lined up
too - in my case having the A&P license already was a huge help in
getting in the door...

I'm not in the ag business anymore, not even in aviation for that
matter - I miss the flying, but not the pay.

[Warner]

Beav,
I did not mean to sound as if I was calling anyone here a liar. I think
YOU are making assumptions that are not there. I also meant to be
comical in regards to my insurance quote. I fly myself, so I have
nothing but respect for my fellow pilots.
I do agree in part with what the other poster said earlier, maybe the
attitudes you convey are part of the reason no one posts here. For this
site to have been around as long as it has and have only a handful of
posters says it all. This is nothing more than a daily diary blog since
there is obviously no more than 2 or 3 that post regularly. Wonder why?
It's nothing more than insults and bragging. Not much to reply to when
the fellow poster braggs about him being a cool dad or tearing a rotor
blade tip off. Or going to the absurd lengths of posting one of our
fellow pilot's full name and address. And then supposed calling his
FBO!!?? (Although I did notice that when the fellow who had his name
posted admitted it was him and challenged "the other Kevin" to tell us
his name the other Kevin wouldn't) These sorts of posts would
immediately be deleted on Vertical/PPrune and so forth. If you think
many pilots enjoy this sort of "professional" conversation then I have
swamp land to sell you.
**Thank you to the ag pilot for his nice responses. I do appreciate
them.**
(Maybe they should change the name of this forum to
rec.aviation."arguing idiots" rotorcraft)...
So long, kiddies.


Beav wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > As a lurker for some time, I am in awe of the ability it must take to
> > be an ag flyer. I have flown helis for several years but only as a PP.
> > The gentleman here who professes to be an ag pilot has more than a
> > little daring in him to perform some of his required feats.
> > I also "sort of" understand the other guy/gal who posted on another
> > thread questioning his statements. It didn't need to be taken to the
> > level of calling the gentleman a liar but the ag flyer's daily quests
> > were pretty dramatic.
>
> Don't you think YOU'RE giving the impression that Selway's lying? It
> certainly comes across like that to me.
>
> And I would hate to have him insured, that's for
> > sure. :)
>
> After many thousands of hours doing ag work, I believe he'd be the first in
> line if I were an insurer. He's still here after all, and the companies that
> insure ag pilots know it's a risky occupation, so they'be looking to insure
> experienced pilots with REAL experience.
>
> > Anyway, just wanted to say hello and kudos to anyone with that talent.
>
> Beav

[SHIVER ME TIMBERS]

> Warner > wrote:

> rec.aviation."arguing idiots" rotorcraft)...
> So long, kiddies.

Why Potatohead..... Your back.

I slightly kinder gentler version - but Potatohead non the less.

What's your problem now Mark.

Just can't stand to walk away and leave the group to those of here who
get along with each other.

Gonna argue that Warner is not your little sock puppet.

Hmmmmmmm

Let's take a look at both or your headers.

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What can I say folks..... correct me if I am wrong.

[Beav]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Beav,
> I was not calling anyone a liar. Not in any way. I just meant that the
> ag flyer was relating some dramtic stuff. And he was...it would take my
> breath away for sure and I am a pilot. Are you?

Not anymore.
>
> And FYI: life insurance is nearly impossible to get these days for a
> decent price if you are a professional helicopter pilot.

I wasn't aware the LIFE insurance was under discussion, as we were talking
about flying related issues. Third party liability would've been more in
line with the chat as I see it.

>
> Seems like you are quick to leap to conclusions. I didn't read the ag
> pilot being insulted.
> Is this the reason why not many post here?

That's probably me. I'm a right **** at times, specially when I think
someone's credibility is being called into question.



--
Beav

Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)

[Beav]

"Warner" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Beav,
> I did not mean to sound as if I was calling anyone here a liar.

In that case, may I sugest you develop your writing skills a touch more,
because you gave that "impression" whether you like it or not.

I think
> YOU are making assumptions that are not there. I also meant to be
> comical in regards to my insurance quote.

Soory, but there was nothing whatsoever comical in your post, and believe me
when I tell you, I've got THE most broad spread of humour possible. People
can call me a cnut and I'll still laugh.

I fly myself, so I have
> nothing but respect for my fellow pilots.
> I do agree in part with what the other poster said earlier, maybe the
> attitudes you convey are part of the reason no one posts here.

If you think so, then fine, although I seriously doubt it myself.


For this
> site to have been around as long as it has and have only a handful of
> posters says it all.

Yeah, and it's all little Beav's fault. Take him out and reduce him to soup
I say.

This is nothing more than a daily diary blog since
> there is obviously no more than 2 or 3 that post regularly. Wonder why?
> It's nothing more than insults and bragging.

Yep, I insult those who insult those who brag, because in THIS case, the
"bragger" wasn't bragging he was relating an experience that YOU thought was
********.

Not much to reply to when
> the fellow poster braggs about him being a cool dad or tearing a rotor
> blade tip off.

See? You're still at it. If Rocky says he ripped a tip off, YOU see that as
bull**** because you knwo YOU couldn't do it and survive to tell. If *I'D*
done that, Id be bragging too, but it'd be REAL bragging, not something that
was buried inside a story as a "throwaway" comment.

Or going to the absurd lengths of posting one of our
> fellow pilot's full name and address. And then supposed calling his
> FBO!!?? (Although I did notice that when the fellow who had his name
> posted admitted it was him and challenged "the other Kevin" to tell us
> his name the other Kevin wouldn't) These sorts of posts would
> immediately be deleted on Vertical/PPrune and so forth. If you think
> many pilots enjoy this sort of "professional" conversation then I have
> swamp land to sell you.

How much? Is it in the Everglades? Are there aligators included. Count me
in.

> **Thank you to the ag pilot for his nice responses. I do appreciate
> them.**
> (Maybe they should change the name of this forum to
> rec.aviation."arguing idiots" rotorcraft)...
> So long, kiddies.

You're leaving? ****, that's disappointing.



--
Beav

Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)

[Beav]

"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" > wrote in message
...
>> Warner > wrote:
>
>> rec.aviation."arguing idiots" rotorcraft)...
>> So long, kiddies.
>
> Why Potatohead..... Your back.
>
> I slightly kinder gentler version - but Potatohead non the less.
>
> What's your problem now Mark.
>
> Just can't stand to walk away and leave the group to those of here who
> get along with each other.
>
> Gonna argue that Warner is not your little sock puppet.
>
> Hmmmmmmm
>
> Let's take a look at both or your headers.
>
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>
> What can I say folks..... correct me if I am wrong.

I thought he must be two people living on different dimensions but sharing
an IP address:-) but you've spoiled it for me Shiv. In fact you really
"stuck it" to him and left me with...nothing:-)


--
Beav

Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)

[SHIVER ME TIMBERS]

> Beav > wrote:

> you've spoiled it for me Shiv. In fact you really
> "stuck it" to him and left me with...nothing:-)

Sorry Beav.

Next time I'll try to take Potatohead out of the pot early
and you can peel him and slice and dice what remains.

[Beav]

"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" > wrote in message
...
>> Beav > wrote:
>
>> you've spoiled it for me Shiv. In fact you really
>> "stuck it" to him and left me with...nothing:-)
>
> Sorry Beav.
>
> Next time I'll try to take Potatohead out of the pot early
> and you can peel him and slice and dice what remains.

He probably won't be around long enough for anyone to do anything with him.
As for me, I'm just about to have a blast down the road on my new bike. I'm
going to see Bill my old helicopter instructor and get him to brew me a
cuppa. The sun's out, so I'm joining it:)


--
Beav

Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:30:29 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Beav > wrote:
>>>
>>>> you've spoiled it for me Shiv. In fact you really
>>>> "stuck it" to him and left me with...nothing:-)
>>>
>>> Sorry Beav.
>>>
>>> Next time I'll try to take Potatohead out of the pot early
>>> and you can peel him and slice and dice what remains.
>>
>>He probably won't be around long enough for anyone to do anything with
>>him.
>>As for me, I'm just about to have a blast down the road on my new bike.
>>I'm
>>going to see Bill my old helicopter instructor and get him to brew me a
>>cuppa. The sun's out, so I'm joining it:)
>
> Whadja get Beav?? That Vespa scooter you've been drooling over?

Yeah, but I got it transplanted into a Kawa Z1000 nekkid big bore street
bike:-)

>
> BTW: Lookin' to buy a new RC helo - radio & all. I've got a tick
> over a grand to **** away.. Looking at the Raptor 30 with the TT
> engine for the model.. Opinions?

Get the Raptor 50 (MUCH better) and forget the TT 36. Go for decent 50 (OS
isn't bad)
The 50 flies more like the 60, but costs more like the 30, so it's a win-win
situation. It's a bit bigger too so it's far easier to see when it's a safe
distance away from you.

Suggestions for an "economical"
> computer radio (Don't need servos - got bazillions in all
> shapes/sizes) and gyro?

JR 3108 (or 3810 depending on what they've written on the box this week:-)
if you want a lot of features and model memories, or the 378 if you just
want a good reliable radio with enough features to do the job well.

I can't speak highly enough of JR radio's. Never a single failure in over 15
years using them. My current radio is 12 years old and I've no intention of
changing it (JR PCM 10). There's also that wonderful place called eBay for
2nd hand radio's and I've had MANY a one from there (bought for newbies who
don't have a lot of cash to spend) and never had a problem with them either.

I reckon if you put a post into rec.models.rc.helicopter asking if anyone
has anything for sale, you'll get plenty of responses, either direct or with
links to places where you'll get a whole package for a grand.
www.runryder.com is another place to check out too.

I believe "Horizon" (models or hobbies I can't remember) is "THE" place over
your side of the puddle, so it might be worth looking at their website too.

HTH


--
Beav

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changes)

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:22:28 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> Whadja get Beav?? That Vespa scooter you've been drooling over?
>>
>>Yeah, but I got it transplanted into a Kawa Z1000 nekkid big bore street
>>bike:-)
>
> Nice.. I just got back from shopping at the local cycle shop.
> Thinking seriously about trading in the SV650 for something a little
> more spirited. The GSXR750 was fun and the sales weenie at the Yamaha
> place wouldn't let me ride an R1..

I can't live with the race rep riding position, so the R1 wouldn't be for me
anyway, but if you're looking for sometihng a bit more "ooooh" than the SV
650, what about a Triumph Speed Triple? Absolutely astounding bike and oil
leak free to boot.
>
>>Get the Raptor 50 (MUCH better) and forget the TT 36. Go for decent 50 (OS
>>isn't bad)
>>The 50 flies more like the 60, but costs more like the 30, so it's a
>>win-win
>>situation. It's a bit bigger too so it's far easier to see when it's a
>>safe
>>distance away from you.
>
> I'll have a look at it.. I've flown nothing but OS and YS engines in
> my RC career (planks mostly) and have an OS .15 that's literally been
> buried in the mud several times (crashes) and still lights off without
> a hitch.

OS are hard to beat, butfunnily enough, hey're not an engine I've had many
of. I currently have a YS 91 in a Futura, but before that I was a dyed in
the wool Rossi man.

>
>> Suggestions for an "economical"
>>> computer radio (Don't need servos - got bazillions in all
>>> shapes/sizes) and gyro?
>>
>>JR 3108 (or 3810 depending on what they've written on the box this week:-)
>>if you want a lot of features and model memories, or the 378 if you just
>>want a good reliable radio with enough features to do the job well.
>
>>I can't speak highly enough of JR radio's. Never a single failure in over
>>15
>>years using them. My current radio is 12 years old and I've no intention
>>of
>>changing it (JR PCM 10). There's also that wonderful place called eBay for
>>2nd hand radio's and I've had MANY a one from there (bought for newbies
>>who
>>don't have a lot of cash to spend) and never had a problem with them
>>either.
>
> I've got a 1992 vintage JR PCM radio in my existing helo (Schluter JR
> 50 w/OS.46H) but it's proven to be a pain to get the pitch curves set
> up.

Why? That's the same radio I use, BUT... something I've not mentioned is
that I use an engine gvernor in ALL my heli's these days. Futaba GV-1 and
Robbe CSC2000's. I prefer the Robbe governors, but the Futaba is exceleent
too, and of course, NO farting about with throttle curves matched to pitch
curves, so getting the pitch in a linear movement is perfect.
With the governor method and your PCM 10, you can have 3 seperate pitch
curves set up in less than 5 minutes.

Probably operator error but something a bit more "modern" would
> help me with setup.

Nah, get a gov. A LOT cheaper and a lot more functionality comes from the
radio when you have one.

>
>>I reckon if you put a post into rec.models.rc.helicopter asking if anyone
>>has anything for sale, you'll get plenty of responses, either direct or
>>with
>>links to places where you'll get a whole package for a grand.
>>www.runryder.com is another place to check out too.
>
> I did a lot of lurking there over the past couple nights and have been
> visting a lot of web sites for package deals..

I'm not a runryder person and I hate moderated groups, so you're not about
to see me over there. You'll probably run into a few who have some "nice"
things to say about me though:-) Mind you, they're usually the ones who want
everything done for free and "right now" so they're not my kind of people
anyway.

>
>>I believe "Horizon" (models or hobbies I can't remember) is "THE" place
>>over
>>your side of the puddle, so it might be worth looking at their website
>>too.
>
> Can't locate that one right off hand. I'll keep digging.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ That might help:)

Cheers

Beav (another Kev:-)

[Jim]

Why not buy the farm? Or Start your own business. Work for DOC alone
untill established. Sleep with the farmers daughter etc.

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> On 22 Jun 2005 14:45:45 -0700, wrote:
>>Yep I've been an ag pilot for a lot of years now and all I said are
>>accurate statements. I still maintain the only thing more fun than
>>watching a good ag pilot is actually doing it!
>>Insurance is always a question and expensive and especially if there
>>is
>>anything more dangerous than eating Fritos and watching TV.
>>Cheers
>>Rocky
>
> Just how does one break into the ag flying gig? Seems like you really
> need to have a lot of experience before you even attempt to do the ag
> thing... The old Catch-22.. Gotta have experience ot get the job,
> but you can't get the job 'cuz you don't have the experience.
>
>
>

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:36:19 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I can't live with the race rep riding position, so the R1 wouldn't be for
>>me
>>anyway, but if you're looking for sometihng a bit more "ooooh" than the SV
>>650, what about a Triumph Speed Triple? Absolutely astounding bike and oil
>>leak free to boot.
>
> Not sure where I'd find one, but I *AM* going to the National
> Powersports Auction tomorrow to look for another youth ATV. I may
> wander inside to the sportbikes and see what's in there..

They're what's known (over here anyway) as "Big Bore street bikes" for some
reason, but they're still a brilliant bike. A pal of mine has one (bought
last month) and another pal has just bought a KTM Superduke and it's amusing
to see the fight for keys when we stop. Depending on the roads we're about
to ride, we all have a preference for different bikes. Mine (The Zed 1000)
beats them both on fast sweepers and on out and out full theash riding, but
the Duke is best on REALLY tight twisties. The Trumper takes everything in
it's stride and sounds wonderful while it's doing it. If I had an inkling
for another bike, it'd be the Triple.
>
>>OS are hard to beat, butfunnily enough, hey're not an engine I've had many
>>of. I currently have a YS 91 in a Futura, but before that I was a dyed in
>>the wool Rossi man.
>
> Only Rossi I've ever seen was a .21 turbocharged unit in an Associated
> 8th scale on-road car. I forgot what model it was, but it had a 2
> speed tranny and was gawd-awful fast... I want to say RC-500 but
> don't hold me to that. Had to have been late 80's, early 90's...

They're still the most powerful 60 on the market. Designed for notro free
ful, they kick serious arse and cheap to run too (being no nitro motors).
Hard to "get to grips with" when you first start using them, but once you
have, they're uneatable and they last forever. 3 year guarantee from Rosi
too. The new Rossi's are often confused with the "NovoRossi" which aren't
the same thing at all and require HUGE amounts of nitro to get their power.

>
>>Why? That's the same radio I use, BUT... something I've not mentioned is
>>that I use an engine gvernor in ALL my heli's these days. Futaba GV-1 and
>>Robbe CSC2000's. I prefer the Robbe governors, but the Futaba is exceleent
>>too, and of course, NO farting about with throttle curves matched to pitch
>>curves, so getting the pitch in a linear movement is perfect.
>>With the governor method and your PCM 10, you can have 3 seperate pitch
>>curves set up in less than 5 minutes.
>
> Great. I'll be calling on you to help me out when I'm ready to go.
> :)

That deal you mentoned on eBay has a governor in there too. A Throttle
Jockey" it's called, but it does the same thing as the Futaba GV-1 which is
to keep those engine revs exactly where they should be.

>
>>I'm not a runryder person and I hate moderated groups, so you're not about
>>to see me over there. You'll probably run into a few who have some "nice"
>>things to say about me though:-) Mind you, they're usually the ones who
>>want
>>everything done for free and "right now" so they're not my kind of people
>>anyway.
>
> Sounds like my boss... Do this and this and this and this, do it now
> and I'll only pay you for one of them.

Oh yeah, I've had one or two of them over the years too. Thankfully I'm "out
of that" now.

>
>>>
>>>>I believe "Horizon" (models or hobbies I can't remember) is "THE" place
>>>>over
>>>>your side of the puddle, so it might be worth looking at their website
>>>>too.
>>>
>>> Can't locate that one right off hand. I'll keep digging.
>>
>>http://www.horizonhobby.com/ That might help:)
>
> Found that and only saw Raptor accessories/upgrades. heliproz.com
> seems to have some pretty nice Raptor 50V2 combos with the OS.50
> engine.. Have a gander at this one and lemme know what you think:
>
> http://www4.mailordercentral.com/heliproz/prodinfo.asp?number=101450HYPER

Good spec, but no electris included. I reckon if push came to shove, it'd be
considered, but the eBay link you sent me seems a beter bet.

>
> Worth the $$?? Well within my budget if I keep the old radio/gyro.
> Another $200 for the gov with sensor a few hours of labor and I'm
> pretty much ready to start dialing it all in...

If you go for the Throttle Jockey governor, I think you'll be VERY
pleasantly surprised with the cost. I think it's around 50 bucks all in and
the Throttle Jockey Pro even has a "learning" circuit so it adapts to your
flying style. Very "twee" I must say, but it actually works. No need to send
200 bucks on a Futaba gov like there used to be when they were the only game
in town.


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"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:44:01 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>They're what's known (over here anyway) as "Big Bore street bikes" for
>>some
>>reason, but they're still a brilliant bike. A pal of mine has one (bought
>>last month) and another pal has just bought a KTM Superduke and it's
>>amusing
>>to see the fight for keys when we stop. Depending on the roads we're about
>>to ride, we all have a preference for different bikes. Mine (The Zed 1000)
>>beats them both on fast sweepers and on out and out full theash riding,
>>but
>>the Duke is best on REALLY tight twisties. The Trumper takes everything in
>>it's stride and sounds wonderful while it's doing it. If I had an inkling
>>for another bike, it'd be the Triple.
>
> Lots of folks over in A.M.S sure seem to like that triple... Didn't
> see anything at the auction this morning - pretty much a waste of time
> this time around. Seems every other month is good so next month
> should have some deals.
>
>>That deal you mentoned on eBay has a governor in there too. A Throttle
>>Jockey" it's called, but it does the same thing as the Futaba GV-1 which
>>is
>>to keep those engine revs exactly where they should be.
>
> I think I'm gonna bid on it later today. Might get lucky.
>
>>Oh yeah, I've had one or two of them over the years too. Thankfully I'm
>>"out
>>of that" now.
>
> I used to be self employed, but I got tired of being a collection
> agent - why the hell don't people pay their damned bills??

It's a question that would take some answering, but as far as me and my son
are concerned, no-one gets anything unless it's cash up front, and (with the
bodyshop we now have) no vehicles leave with a penny owing. Insurance co's
are the thorn in our side though, and space. When people don't have the
cash, WE have to keep their cars and they take up much needed space.(mind
you, we charge for the privilege)

>
>
>>> http://www4.mailordercentral.com/heliproz/prodinfo.asp?number=101450HYPER
>>
>>Good spec, but no electris included. I reckon if push came to shove, it'd
>>be
>>considered, but the eBay link you sent me seems a beter bet.
>
> I'll call that one my "Plan-B"

Looks like plan A worked :-))


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And this all relates to ag flying How?

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
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> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:05:01 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>It's a question that would take some answering, but as far as me and my
>>son
>>are concerned, no-one gets anything unless it's cash up front, and (with
>>the
>>bodyshop we now have) no vehicles leave with a penny owing. Insurance co's
>>are the thorn in our side though, and space. When people don't have the
>>cash, WE have to keep their cars and they take up much needed space.(mind
>>you, we charge for the privilege)
>
> I hear ya.. Sounds like you could help me in the resto of my 71
> Olds.. Slowly collecting body panels to replace the pieces with
> cancer holes... Gotta practice my sheemetal welding before I dive
> into that little project tho..

We've done more resto's than you can shake a stick at. 1950's Jaguars were
our speciality for a while (XK 120's, 140's and 150's, plus a number of 'E'
Types. We recently completed a Corvette Stingray in two-tone silver/grey
which turned out very nicely, but more recently we've been involved with Jap
high performance cars. The Old's would be a doddle being all steel and
pretty good steel at that (well compared to cars these days)

>
> End goal? A fake 442 (faux-4-2?) with a twin turboed (or
> supercharged) Rocket 350 and a modern 6 speed tranny... (man I've
> expensive hobbies.. heheeh)

My son has too. His previous motors include a beautiful Nissan Skyline. 4x4,
twin turbo's 700bhp 610ft/lbs of torque (at 4000rpm), but it was only 2 door
so not much use now he's got a baby to cart about. He's now got a Mitsubishi
Evo 6 running 500 bhp with a 2.5litre stroker kit and variable vane turbo.
And nitrous for those "just gotta do it" moments:-)

I still prefer bikes:-)


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> And this all relates to ag flying How?

LOW flying of course :-)

And running up and down, up and down, up and down the same area
interminably. When those handbrake turns are perfected and a spray bar
fitted, YOU'LL be out of work in a heartbeat pal!! :-))


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