Anyone Going to the NWEAA Fly-in (Arlington, WA)?

[Chris G.]

I'm headed up there on Sat to the NWEAA Fly-In at Arlington, WA (KAWO).
Anyone else going? It's my first trip there and I'm looking forward
to seeing the Sportsman 2+2 that will be there on display. Coming from
the south, I will also transit the Bravo airspace fir the first time
with my instructor. :)

Chris

[Journeyman]

In article s.net>, Chris G. wrote:
> I'm headed up there on Sat to the NWEAA Fly-In at Arlington, WA (KAWO).
> Anyone else going? It's my first trip there and I'm looking forward
> to seeing the Sportsman 2+2 that will be there on display. Coming from
> the south, I will also transit the Bravo airspace fir the first time
> with my instructor. :)

I'm living on the wrong sound right now, but I used to fly out of BFI.

For me, getting into the Class B was pretty rare. Mostly it happened
on IFR flight plans. Don't be surprised if you have to go around. I
prefered going up the West side of the Class B, transiting the Tacoma
Narrows (TIW) class D. Where are you flying from?

Enjoy Arlington. When I went, I drove up from Seattle but it was fun
sitting in the RV-7 making airplane noises.


Morris (maybe next year)

[David Herman]

"Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
eenews.net...
> I'm headed up there on Sat to the NWEAA Fly-In at Arlington, WA (KAWO).
> Anyone else going? It's my first trip there and I'm looking forward to
> seeing the Sportsman 2+2 that will be there on display. Coming from the
> south, I will also transit the Bravo airspace fir the first time with my
> instructor. :)
>
> Chris

Heck yes, lots of us will be there! It's a great event.

David Herman
N6170T 1965 Cessna 150E
Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA
http://www.pacificnorthwestflying.com

[tony roberts]

Hi Chris

Go to http://www.pacificnorthwestflying.com

you'll find out all about our Friday night get together at Arlington,
then come on over.

Hope to see you there

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article s.net>,
"Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote:

> I'm headed up there on Sat to the NWEAA Fly-In at Arlington, WA (KAWO).
> Anyone else going? It's my first trip there and I'm looking forward
> to seeing the Sportsman 2+2 that will be there on display. Coming from
> the south, I will also transit the Bravo airspace fir the first time
> with my instructor. :)
>
> Chris




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[M]

The best way to transit Seattle area from the south is direct OLM,
direct PAE, and stay under the class B. Even if you talk to Seattle
approach you will end up with more or less the same routing. I never
even received a routing over SEA for my IFR trips.



Chris G. wrote:
> I'm headed up there on Sat to the NWEAA Fly-In at Arlington, WA (KAWO).
> Anyone else going? It's my first trip there and I'm looking forward
> to seeing the Sportsman 2+2 that will be there on display. Coming from
> the south, I will also transit the Bravo airspace fir the first time
> with my instructor. :)
>
> Chris

[Chris G.]

In reading the NOTAMs and talking with my instructor, I tihnk my route
is going to be (more or less), SLE-UBG-HIO-SPB-KSL-TDO-1S0-Lake Tapps
(E. VFR Transition Rte)-S43-Green Valley-AWO. It's going to be busy
enough Sat morning that I'll be hoppin' ;)

Chris


M wrote:
> The best way to transit Seattle area from the south is direct OLM,
> direct PAE, and stay under the class B. Even if you talk to Seattle
> approach you will end up with more or less the same routing. I never
> even received a routing over SEA for my IFR trips.
>
>
>
> Chris G. wrote:
>
>>I'm headed up there on Sat to the NWEAA Fly-In at Arlington, WA (KAWO).
>> Anyone else going? It's my first trip there and I'm looking forward
>>to seeing the Sportsman 2+2 that will be there on display. Coming from
>>the south, I will also transit the Bravo airspace fir the first time
>>with my instructor. :)
>>
>>Chris
>
>

[Chris G.]

Sadly, I'm not going to be able to be there on Friday evening. I'm
getting ready for my trip to AWO and going to a local Oregon Pilots
Assoc meeting.

Chris

tony roberts wrote:
> Hi Chris
>
> Go to http://www.pacificnorthwestflying.com
>
> you'll find out all about our Friday night get together at Arlington,
> then come on over.
>
> Hope to see you there
>
> Tony
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
news.net...
> In reading the NOTAMs and talking with my instructor, I tihnk my route is
> going to be (more or less), SLE-UBG-HIO-SPB-KSL-TDO-1S0-Lake Tapps (E. VFR
> Transition Rte)-S43-Green Valley-AWO. It's going to be busy enough Sat
> morning that I'll be hoppin' ;)

You might as well study the western route too though. There may be fog or
low clouds Saturday (or any day, for that matter :) ), and it's hard to tell
in advance where they will be. Often they are over the water, and staying
east along the foothills is a good tactic, but sometimes it's not so much
the clouds as the visibility, which can be pretty bad up against the
foothills, while still reasonably decent over the Sound.

In other words, either plan could be superior, and you won't know until just
before takeoff which one is. :)

Pete

[Chris G.]

Yea, if it is not good weather (really good, so my dad says) then we are
not going. While I understand that and appreciate that, it's also kind
of frustrating because he wants to make his go/no-go decision Friday
afternoon when Sat AM may have a totally different perspective.

Chris


Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
> news.net...
>
>>In reading the NOTAMs and talking with my instructor, I tihnk my route is
>>going to be (more or less), SLE-UBG-HIO-SPB-KSL-TDO-1S0-Lake Tapps (E. VFR
>>Transition Rte)-S43-Green Valley-AWO. It's going to be busy enough Sat
>>morning that I'll be hoppin' ;)
>
>
> You might as well study the western route too though. There may be fog or
> low clouds Saturday (or any day, for that matter :) ), and it's hard to tell
> in advance where they will be. Often they are over the water, and staying
> east along the foothills is a good tactic, but sometimes it's not so much
> the clouds as the visibility, which can be pretty bad up against the
> foothills, while still reasonably decent over the Sound.
>
> In other words, either plan could be superior, and you won't know until just
> before takeoff which one is. :)
>
> Pete
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
news.net...
> Yea, if it is not good weather (really good, so my dad says) then we are
> not going. While I understand that and appreciate that, it's also kind of
> frustrating because he wants to make his go/no-go decision Friday
> afternoon when Sat AM may have a totally different perspective.

What's the reason for making the decision so early? Are there alternative
plans that need that much advance notice?

In this sort of weather (humid, at least for the Northwest), it's nearly
impossible to predict with certainty what the fog/cloud situation will be 12
hours in advance.

Inasmuch as even a "go" decision on Friday may have to change to a "no-go"
Saturday morning, why not also allow for the possibility of changing a
"no-go" decision to a "go" decision, if the weather is better than forecast?

Just curious...

Pete

[Chris G.]

Part of it is that my dad has to drive for just over an hour to meet me
at the plane. I can't fly (that plane) without him (yet). Also, we
have one other person flying with us that morning who has to drive about
20-30 mins to get to the plane. Lastly, the plane is not IFR equipped
and my instructor/dad is not IFR current. I agree, it's way too early
at 2-3pm or even 5pm on Friday to make a go, no-go decision.

Chris


Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
> news.net...
>
>>Yea, if it is not good weather (really good, so my dad says) then we are
>>not going. While I understand that and appreciate that, it's also kind of
>>frustrating because he wants to make his go/no-go decision Friday
>>afternoon when Sat AM may have a totally different perspective.
>
>
> What's the reason for making the decision so early? Are there alternative
> plans that need that much advance notice?
>
> In this sort of weather (humid, at least for the Northwest), it's nearly
> impossible to predict with certainty what the fog/cloud situation will be 12
> hours in advance.
>
> Inasmuch as even a "go" decision on Friday may have to change to a "no-go"
> Saturday morning, why not also allow for the possibility of changing a
> "no-go" decision to a "go" decision, if the weather is better than forecast?
>
> Just curious...
>
> Pete
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
news.net...
> Part of it is that my dad has to drive for just over an hour to meet me at
> the plane. I can't fly (that plane) without him (yet). Also, we have one
> other person flying with us that morning who has to drive about 20-30 mins
> to get to the plane. [...]

"Time to spare, go by air". :)

I think what I said still holds. A "no-go" decision could still occur as
late as just before takeoff.

Yes, there's wasted time doing things like driving if you don't go, but IMHO
that's just the risk you take with recreational flying. Everyone knows the
"better to be down here wishing you were up there" saying, but I think it's
possible to take that too far. You ought to at least give yourself the best
chance to go, rather than relying on an unreliable forecast to tell you
whether you'll go or not.

Some other silly ideas I have:

* There are four possible outcomes based on a Friday decision: good
forecast, which is correct; bad forecast, which is correct; good forecast,
which is incorrect; bad forecast, which is incorrect. Out of those four
possibilities, if you are determined to make your decision on Friday, then
three of those four possibilities result in you not flying Saturday. Them's
pretty lousy odds, IMHO, especially when one of the possibilities just
causes the wasted driving time that seems to be desired to avoid.

* Just because you can't make it all the way to Arlington, that doesn't
mean the trip to the airport is wasted. The weather might actually be fine
there, and there's no shame in changing your plan, but still going flying.

All that said, if I should butt out, just say so and I will. :) You do say
"part of it", which implies there may be other issues at work I don't know
of, shouldn't know of, or whatever. But since you seem to agree with me on
the fundamental issue, I figure I ought to help you with as much
rationalization regarding why to delay the go/no-go decision until Saturday
regardless. :)

Pete

[Chris G.]

Heh...Murphy strikes again....

My dad called last night and said that he came home to a garage with
water (all over the floor) coming from the water heater. This was at
8:00 last night. He will work on it tonight, but it's not promising.
I've offered any help with it I can do. The other factor is that my
uncle needs a go-no go decision about 5:30 pm this evening because he
will be driving from the Woodburn (OR) area to KAWO beginning this
evening and travelling part-way tonight, the rest of the way tomorrow if
we don't fly. That does not preclude the wx geting better and us flying
anyway, but it does not help my uncle if we make a decision later.

I called MMV AFSS today and got an outlook for tomorrow...It may be VFR
enough to fly up there in the morning. Coming back later in the day
seems to be looking more promising as the wx is supposed to improve N->S.

Part of me is in the (potentially dangerous) mode that "I want to go and
be there and I want to fly there" becuase I am not going to go if I
don't fly. I also recognize that I need to pay close attention to the
weather going AND coming back very carefully. If it doesn't work out
this year, there will be next year. I just hope my dad gets the water
heater issue resolved and the weather is at least to his minimums for
our trip.

chris




Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
> news.net...
>
>>Part of it is that my dad has to drive for just over an hour to meet me at
>>the plane. I can't fly (that plane) without him (yet). Also, we have one
>>other person flying with us that morning who has to drive about 20-30 mins
>>to get to the plane. [...]
>
>
> "Time to spare, go by air". :)
>
> I think what I said still holds. A "no-go" decision could still occur as
> late as just before takeoff.
>
> Yes, there's wasted time doing things like driving if you don't go, but IMHO
> that's just the risk you take with recreational flying. Everyone knows the
> "better to be down here wishing you were up there" saying, but I think it's
> possible to take that too far. You ought to at least give yourself the best
> chance to go, rather than relying on an unreliable forecast to tell you
> whether you'll go or not.
>
> Some other silly ideas I have:
>
> * There are four possible outcomes based on a Friday decision: good
> forecast, which is correct; bad forecast, which is correct; good forecast,
> which is incorrect; bad forecast, which is incorrect. Out of those four
> possibilities, if you are determined to make your decision on Friday, then
> three of those four possibilities result in you not flying Saturday. Them's
> pretty lousy odds, IMHO, especially when one of the possibilities just
> causes the wasted driving time that seems to be desired to avoid.
>
> * Just because you can't make it all the way to Arlington, that doesn't
> mean the trip to the airport is wasted. The weather might actually be fine
> there, and there's no shame in changing your plan, but still going flying.
>
> All that said, if I should butt out, just say so and I will. :) You do say
> "part of it", which implies there may be other issues at work I don't know
> of, shouldn't know of, or whatever. But since you seem to agree with me on
> the fundamental issue, I figure I ought to help you with as much
> rationalization regarding why to delay the go/no-go decision until Saturday
> regardless. :)
>
> Pete
>
>

[Chris G.]

Murphy hates me.... Weather is gonna be total crap this weekend. No
Arlington for me. Just got off the phone for another outlook for
tomorrow and it's looking like MVFR to IFR the whole way up with the
destination being totally IFR (ceilings AND visibilities).

*sigh* Cya'll next year! (Or at the Portland-Hillsboro Airport (KHIO)
for the Rose Festival Air Show in Sept, or KMMV for the fly-in in Aug)

Chris


Chris G. wrote:
> Heh...Murphy strikes again....
>
> My dad called last night and said that he came home to a garage with
> water (all over the floor) coming from the water heater. This was at
> 8:00 last night. He will work on it tonight, but it's not promising.
> I've offered any help with it I can do. The other factor is that my
> uncle needs a go-no go decision about 5:30 pm this evening because he
> will be driving from the Woodburn (OR) area to KAWO beginning this
> evening and travelling part-way tonight, the rest of the way tomorrow if
> we don't fly. That does not preclude the wx geting better and us flying
> anyway, but it does not help my uncle if we make a decision later.
>
> I called MMV AFSS today and got an outlook for tomorrow...It may be VFR
> enough to fly up there in the morning. Coming back later in the day
> seems to be looking more promising as the wx is supposed to improve N->S.
>
> Part of me is in the (potentially dangerous) mode that "I want to go and
> be there and I want to fly there" becuase I am not going to go if I
> don't fly. I also recognize that I need to pay close attention to the
> weather going AND coming back very carefully. If it doesn't work out
> this year, there will be next year. I just hope my dad gets the water
> heater issue resolved and the weather is at least to his minimums for
> our trip.
>
> chris
>
>
>
>
> Peter Duniho wrote:
>
>> "Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
>> news.net...
>>
>>> Part of it is that my dad has to drive for just over an hour to meet
>>> me at the plane. I can't fly (that plane) without him (yet). Also,
>>> we have one other person flying with us that morning who has to drive
>>> about 20-30 mins to get to the plane. [...]
>>
>>
>>
>> "Time to spare, go by air". :)
>>
>> I think what I said still holds. A "no-go" decision could still occur
>> as late as just before takeoff.
>>
>> Yes, there's wasted time doing things like driving if you don't go,
>> but IMHO that's just the risk you take with recreational flying.
>> Everyone knows the "better to be down here wishing you were up there"
>> saying, but I think it's possible to take that too far. You ought to
>> at least give yourself the best chance to go, rather than relying on
>> an unreliable forecast to tell you whether you'll go or not.
>>
>> Some other silly ideas I have:
>>
>> * There are four possible outcomes based on a Friday decision:
>> good forecast, which is correct; bad forecast, which is correct; good
>> forecast, which is incorrect; bad forecast, which is incorrect. Out
>> of those four possibilities, if you are determined to make your
>> decision on Friday, then three of those four possibilities result in
>> you not flying Saturday. Them's pretty lousy odds, IMHO, especially
>> when one of the possibilities just causes the wasted driving time that
>> seems to be desired to avoid.
>>
>> * Just because you can't make it all the way to Arlington, that
>> doesn't mean the trip to the airport is wasted. The weather might
>> actually be fine there, and there's no shame in changing your plan,
>> but still going flying.
>>
>> All that said, if I should butt out, just say so and I will. :) You
>> do say "part of it", which implies there may be other issues at work I
>> don't know of, shouldn't know of, or whatever. But since you seem to
>> agree with me on the fundamental issue, I figure I ought to help you
>> with as much rationalization regarding why to delay the go/no-go
>> decision until Saturday regardless. :)
>>
>> Pete
>>

[Peter Duniho]

"Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
eenews.net...
> Murphy hates me.... Weather is gonna be total crap this weekend.

No, that's a *good* thing. It means all this worrying about when to make
the go/no-go decision was moot. :)