Dream Airplane poll

[Bob Babcock]

I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
questions;

What airplane do you own?

What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?

My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.

The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
dream plane.

Bob
Calgary, Canada
Flybaby C-IADT

[Anthony W]

> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?

None at the moment.

RV8.

[UltraJohn]

Bob Babcock wrote:

> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT


Barely started KR-2

either X-15, XB-70 or SR-71 (You did say DREAM didn't you)

John

[Bob Chilcoat]

Own 1/4 share of a 72 Archer. Dream plane - Focke-Wulf 149. Dream
homebuilt - Falco.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"Bob Babcock" > wrote in message
om...
> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT

[Morgans]

"Bob Babcock" > wrote

> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT

Seems like you would not get much use in the winter, where you live.
--
Jim in NC


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[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
(Bob Babcock) wrote:

> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.

To each his own!

Own: 1946 Johnson Rocket 185

Building: Mustang IIF (retractable)

Dream Machine: Too many to count! SX-300, RV-8, P-51, Staggerwing Beech,
Lockheed 12A, Grumman Mallard, L-39

[Mark Hickey]

(Bob Babcock) wrote:

>What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?

Lear jet (any flavor). Then I'd sell it, retire and buy something
interesting to fly.

Mark "didn't say WHY it's a "dream airplane"...Hickey

[D. Reid]

Excellent post..and many interesting threads I'm sure...now...less'ee

None at the moment...

"Build and/or own"...

Steen Skybolt/ N.A. P-51-D "Mustang"
"Bob Babcock" > wrote in message
om...
> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:08:33 -0500, "Morgans" >
wrote:

>
>"Bob Babcock" > wrote
>
>> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
>> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
>> dream plane.
>>
>> Bob
>> Calgary, Canada
>> Flybaby C-IADT
>
>Seems like you would not get much use in the winter, where you live.

The Canadians seem pretty ingenious at adding canopies to Fly Babies:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/drew.jpg

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/staples2.JPG

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/cgwiz1.jpg

Of course, Americans in the Northern states ain't slouches, either:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/blod.jpg

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/fisher.JPG

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/woodcock.JPG

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/jenkinscanopy.JPG

Ron "Still in the breeze" Wanttaja

[Del Rawlins]

On 17 Nov 2004 14:49:35 -0800, (Bob Babcock) wrote:

>I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
>would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
>questions;
>
>What airplane do you own?

None, currently.

>What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?

I want Turk Madden's modified Grumman.

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[Mike Patterson]

On 17 Nov 2004 14:49:35 -0800, (Bob Babcock) wrote:

>I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
>would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
>questions;
>
>What airplane do you own?
>
>What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
>My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
>The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
>poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
>dream plane.
>
>Bob
>Calgary, Canada
>Flybaby C-IADT


Always wanted a Storch.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

[John Riederer]

On 17 Nov 2004 14:49:35 -0800, (Bob Babcock) wrote:

>I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
>would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
>questions;
>
>What airplane do you own?
>
>What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?

1) None yet

2) full scale Sopwith Camel (Anyone know where I can find some good
construction drwings?)

[billybob]

Not an airplane at all,
Own a Westlan Gazelle helicopter; whouldn't have it any other way!

"Bob Babcock" > wrote in message
om...
>I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT

[Elwood Dowd]

Own: Beech Sierra, until last week

Building: Skyhawk (scale model)

Dream Own: Lancair IVP

Dream Build (more realistic): RV10

[John Galban]

(Bob Babcock) wrote in message >...
>
> What airplane do you own?
Cherokee 180
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
Currently helping out on a friend's RV-10. I've got 1st dibs on
buying it when he gets bored and wants to build something else.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[psyshrike]

(Bob Babcock) wrote in message >...
> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT

None right now.

208 Caravan with webbed feet. And while I'm dreaming a lifetime supply of jet fuel.

-Thanks
-Matt

[Bob Babcock]

"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
>
> Seems like you would not get much use in the winter, where you live.

Actually the winters are fine for us Canadians and open cockpits. A
good Saturday night is roaring around on a snowmobile at midnight and
-30. A Flybaby during the day is downright palatial. It the hot moist
air from the US that makes summer flying a little uncomfortable.

However having slung a little bovine compost above, no canopy yet but
definately by next freezeup.

[Dave Hyde]

Bob Babcock wrote...

> What airplane do you own?

RV-4

> What dream airplane would you like to build...

a) I already built it
b) Pitts Model 12 or Skybolt

> ...or own?

T-2C and a government credit card.

Dave 'Guppy Magic' Hyde

[Robert Bates]

Currently between airplanes

Dream: XP72 and a lifetime of free fuel



"Dave Hyde" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Babcock wrote...
>
> > What airplane do you own?
>
> RV-4
>
> > What dream airplane would you like to build...
>
> a) I already built it
> b) Pitts Model 12 or Skybolt
>
> > ...or own?
>
> T-2C and a government credit card.
>
> Dave 'Guppy Magic' Hyde
>
>
>

[Morgans]

"Bob Babcock" > wrote

> However having slung a little bovine compost above, no canopy yet but
> definately by next freezeup.

Glad you added the last line. <g>

But.... Is it really a Flybaby, with a enclosed cockpit? Hum.

I suppose if you leave it open for first and last 10 minutes of the flight,
it would be hardcore enough to appease the open cockpit Gods... :-)
--
Jim in NC


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[BRO]

Own - Cessna 172N
Dream - Spitfire
Dream Build - Velocity XLRG
Realistic Build - Dyke Delta JD2


"Bob Babcock" > wrote in message
om...
>I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
> questions;
>
> What airplane do you own?
>
> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>
> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>
> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
> dream plane.
>
> Bob
> Calgary, Canada
> Flybaby C-IADT

[Barnyard BOb -]

Bob Babcock wrote:

>
>The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
>poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
>dream plane.
>
>Bob
>Calgary, Canada
>Flybaby C-IADT
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

FLYBABY...
ULTIMATE dream plane?

Don't know what yer smokin', Bob, but....
could you send some to Kansas City? <g>

I enjoyed my Flybaby for what it was 40 years ago.
The dream, and the open cockpit was unique, but....
the dream and honeymoon were very short lived.
It was slow, far from aerobatic and damn cold for
too much of the year to be user friendly for me.

I never could bring myself to relax with the maze
of floppy flying wires. No loops, no rolls, no spins...
and after 100 hours, the boredom did me in.

There is a difference between living and being ALIVE.

YMMV.


Barnyard BOb - an RV grin is the ULTIMATE

[Carl J. Hixon]

Own: Citabria model carved from teak.
Dream: Mountain Goat STOL: http://www.bushplanes.com/
Assuming that it comes close to its claims.

But if we were just dreaming. I'd love to find a 300+HP STOL Aircraft that
will cary 4x200 lb adults, 800 lbs of gear, that cruises at 160+KTAS while
burning less than 10 gph, taildragger, stick, and then have somebody give it
to me.

[Blueskies]

"Carl J. Hixon" > wrote in message news:DD8od.162126$hj.43333@fed1read07...
> Own: Citabria model carved from teak.
> Dream: Mountain Goat STOL: http://www.bushplanes.com/
> Assuming that it comes close to its claims.
>
> But if we were just dreaming. I'd love to find a 300+HP STOL Aircraft that
> will cary 4x200 lb adults, 800 lbs of gear, that cruises at 160+KTAS while
> burning less than 10 gph, taildragger, stick, and then have somebody give it
> to me.
>
>

That's not just a dream...that's a fantasy!

[Robert Bonomi]

In article et>,
UltraJohn > wrote:
>Bob Babcock wrote:
>
>> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
>> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
>> questions;
>>
>> What airplane do you own?
>>
>> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>>
>> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>>
>> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
>> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
>> dream plane.
>>
>> Bob
>> Calgary, Canada
>> Flybaby C-IADT
>
>
>Barely started KR-2
>
>either X-15,
drawbacks:
only a single-seater
_terrible_ handling characteristics
*damn* that "tow-plane" is expensive
> XB-70
one sweet-looking plane, but
an excoriable safety record
and the hanger-expense is a killer.
> or SR-71
world's fastest two-seater, but, d*mn,
the way she leaks fuel on the ground.
(there are GA planes that can fly for
an _hour_ or more, on what a BlackBird
on the ground leaks in one *minute*)

[Roger]

<snip>

>In article et>,
>UltraJohn <ja
>>Barely started KR-2
>>
>>either X-15,
> drawbacks:
> only a single-seater
> _terrible_ handling characteristics
> *damn* that "tow-plane" is expensive
>> XB-70
> one sweet-looking plane, but
> an excoriable safety record
> and the hanger-expense is a killer.
>> or SR-71
> world's fastest two-seater, but, d*mn,
> the way she leaks fuel on the ground.
> (there are GA planes that can fly for
> an _hour_ or more, on what a BlackBird
> on the ground leaks in one *minute*)

And that fuel cost more than the finest aged Whiskey.
Don't forget the upkeep and crew for the refueling plane as well.
They take off on minimum fuel, refuel and then go some where.

I think I'd like to have a fuel hungry Sukoi 37. I think that's the
designation. The one with vectored thrust.

But on a more pratical note the SAI 261?, or the latest model of the
F-33 Bo with a modern panel.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[UltraJohn]

Robert Bonomi wrote:

> In article et>,
> UltraJohn > wrote:
>>Bob Babcock wrote:
>>
>>> I read the Kitplanes discussion and thought that a poll of this group
>>> would be interesting and more relevant. Perhaps in response to two
>>> questions;
>>>
>>> What airplane do you own?
>>>
>>> What dream airplane would you like to build and/or own?
>>>
>>> My vote on both questions is the correct choice, of course.
>>>
>>> The Bowers Flybaby. Which, you all will surely agree, would win any
>>> poll of well educated homebuilt airplane enthusiasts as the ultimate
>>> dream plane.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> Calgary, Canada
>>> Flybaby C-IADT
>>
>>
>>Barely started KR-2
>>
>>either X-15,
> drawbacks:
> only a single-seater
> _terrible_ handling characteristics
> *damn* that "tow-plane" is expensive
>> XB-70
> one sweet-looking plane, but
> an excoriable safety record
> and the hanger-expense is a killer.
>> or SR-71
> world's fastest two-seater, but, d*mn,
> the way she leaks fuel on the ground.
> (there are GA planes that can fly for
> an _hour_ or more, on what a BlackBird
> on the ground leaks in one *minute*)


Yeah, But if you could afford it , Don't you just love it!

[Ebby]

At the stage I am at with my homebuilt. Any plane that flies would be my
dream plane.

Ebby

[Bob Babcock]

Barnyard BOb - > wrote in message >...
> FLYBABY...
> ULTIMATE dream plane?
>
> Don't know what yer smokin', Bob, but....
> could you send some to Kansas City? <g>


> Your customs agents just don't appreciate them Cuban cigars my friend, or I would send yoou a few. Sorry.


> I enjoyed my Flybaby for what it was 40 years ago.
> The dream, and the open cockpit was unique, but....
> the dream and honeymoon were very short lived.
> It was slow, far from aerobatic and damn cold for
> too much of the year to be user friendly for me.
>

Your describing my cup of tea. Simple cheap flying. I'm a Canadian
UL pilot. About the middle between your UL and Sport Pilot
privelages. I can't legally carry passengers unless they are licensed
pilots themselves. My license training, plane, GPS, radio, helmet,
cost me much less than a decent Lycoming for a RV (a finer aeroplane
and company do not exist at normal levels of cost).

> I never could bring myself to relax with the maze
> of floppy flying wires. No loops, no rolls, no spins...
> and after 100 hours, the boredom did me in.
>
> There is a difference between living and being ALIVE.

I am alive when 1000 feet up and looking at the Canadian Rockies
glowing on one tip and a few thousand square miles of emergency fields
of dryland prairie on the other while spotting a big buck in the river
valley. A simple UL would be enough if they didn't have those
infernal 2 strokes and our area didn't have the sturdy mountain
breezes that blow regularly from dawn to dusk.
>
> YMMV.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb - an RV grin is the ULTIMATE

Hard to argue that one Bob.

[Jean-Paul Roy]

Own: a Challenger II with a Rotax 503

Realistic Build : a Savannah 2 place side by side equipped with a 912S

Jean-Paul

[Sbtypesetter]

Dream airplane?

Plans for a thundergull 103 or someone to
make plans avilable for a Davis DA 8 with
full span flaps, retractable leading edges,
and spoilers for roll control.

Lleon has the fuselage. Just wish some-
one would buy it, and then make plans
from it. I'll be first in line to buy.

-Rick

[wingsnaprop]

Glass Goose
http://www.glassgoose.com/
2 Place Amphib. You and ........

The Girl on the Beach
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassGoose/

Powered by Delta Hawk Diesel
http://www.deltahawkengines.com/
12 hr. endurance W/ reserve - 1300 MILES!!
Dayton to Key West for fuel then on to the countless Islands known as
the Bahamas!

Throw in a Chelton EFIS + Digital Auto Pilot for Safety
http://www.direct2avionics.com/

Goose Kit $30,000
Delta Hawk Engine $25,000
Misc Parts/Pieces $8,000
Chelton EFIS & A-Pilo $45,000
Sat Phone $3,000

Lying in a hammock between 2 palms on a deserted white sand beach after
scuba diving & spear-fishing under the full moon sipping a Rum spiked
fresh coconut thru a straw as the warm gentle ocean breezes gently
nudge your GlassGoose anchored in the cove as Your hot and mostly naked
girlfriend cooks the fresh seafood you just brought up over a fire in
front of the tent with an ocean view
( shew! ) PRICELESS

[Roger]

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:35:26 -0500, Roger
> wrote:

><snip>
>
>>In article et>,
>>UltraJohn <ja
>>>Barely started KR-2
>>>
>>>either X-15,
>> drawbacks:
>> only a single-seater
>> _terrible_ handling characteristics
>> *damn* that "tow-plane" is expensive
>>> XB-70
>> one sweet-looking plane, but
>> an excoriable safety record
>> and the hanger-expense is a killer.
>>> or SR-71
>> world's fastest two-seater, but, d*mn,
>> the way she leaks fuel on the ground.
>> (there are GA planes that can fly for
>> an _hour_ or more, on what a BlackBird
>> on the ground leaks in one *minute*)
>
>And that fuel cost more than the finest aged Whiskey.
>Don't forget the upkeep and crew for the refueling plane as well.
>They take off on minimum fuel, refuel and then go some where.
>
>I think I'd like to have a fuel hungry Sukoi 37. I think that's the
>designation. The one with vectored thrust.
>
>But on a more pratical note the SAI 261?, or the latest model of the
>F-33 Bo with a modern panel.

However, after thinking about it for only a short while... My dream
airplane is to get the G-III finished and flying.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>
>Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>www.rogerhalstead.com

[Morgans]

"wingsnaprop" > wrote

> Glass Goose

> Powered by Delta Hawk Diesel
> http://www.deltahawkengines.com/

So how's that Delta Hawk Diesel going? When are they saying it will be
ready for delivery?
--
Jim in NC

[wingsnaprop]

Glass Goose
http://www.glassgoose.com/
2 Place Amphib. Just You and ........

The Girl on the Beach
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GlassGoose/

Powered by Delta Hawk Diesel
http://www.deltahawkengines.com/
12 hr. endurance W/ reserve - 1300 MILES!!
Dayton to Key West for fuel then on to the countless Islands known as
the Bahamas!

Throw in a Chelton EFIS W/ Digital Auto Pilot And Satelite Weather for
Safety-
http://www.direct2avionics.com/

Goose Kit $30,000
Delta Hawk Engine $25,000
Misc Parts/Pieces $8,000
Chelton EFIS & A-Pilot $45,000
Sat Phone $3,000

Lying in a hammock between 2 palms Under the full Moon on a deserted
white sand beach after scuba diving & spear-fishing sipping a Rum
spiked fresh coconut thru a straw as the warm ocean breezes gently
nudges your GlassGoose at anchor in the cove while Your String-Bikini
wearing girlfriend cooks the fresh seafood you just caught over a fire
in front of the tent with an ocean view ...
( Whew!) PRICELESS

[Morgans]

"wingsnaprop" > wrote

same old same old

I asked :

So how's that Delta Hawk Diesel going? When are they saying it will be
ready for delivery?

Is that a sore subject. I see from their own website, they will be ready
for experimentals in the forth quarter of '04. Not much time left. Oh,
what *century* was that?

I hope you have not given them money yet.
--
Jim in NC

[wingsnaprop]

Not a sore subject at all .

I think they'll make it, you think they won't.

I know from personal expierence how incredibly difficult it is to get a
new product to market. I cannot fault them for trying. just the
opposite, I hope, and believe, they will succeed. I look forward to
using this product.

Maybe, fundementaly, there are two type of people in the world.

Those that commend someone for having the Hutzhpa to get off the couch
and try to build a better mouse-trap, wishing them all the sucess in
the world.

And those that talk ill, point fingers, and degradates the
entrepreneurs when it proves to be harder, and simply takes longer,
than expected.
Wingsnaprop

[Denny]

No plane right now, but I did own a Citabria in college and a Vultee
Vibrator after that.

I'd like to own a T-38, but the cost and fuel burn make it impossible.

I'd be interested in a homebuilt with two seats , retractible
conventional gear, and big enough to take a 350 Chevy with a reduction
drive and a ground adjustable three blade prop. I want an airplane not
radically smaller than the BT-13, although with 250-300 hp rather than
the original 450 it's going to have to be lighter. It has to be
aerobatic although not for competition and it should be as good an
instrument platform as a T-34.

[Morgans]

"Denny" > wrote
..
>
> I'd be interested in a homebuilt with two seats , retractible
> conventional gear, and big enough to take a 350 Chevy with a reduction
> drive and a ground adjustable three blade prop.

Sounds like a Lanceair. You will have to make do with 4 seats, though. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[john smith]

Bearhawk or an RV-10