Thanks, America!

[Jay Honeck]

Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful Fourth
of July. Mary and I are soon to be off to the annual parade, where we will
once again be representing our Inn by posing as "Amelia Earhart" and "Fred
Noonan"...

Our kids will carry our banner, and toss thousands of pieces of candy to the
kids in the crowd. (Each with a little coupon attached, good for $25 off
for their parents next stay!)

Horses (hopefully not in front of us!), floats, bands, and clowns will
complete the picture, all marching to the appreciation of thousands,
fulfilling a tradition that goes back generations.

Hopefully someone has remembered to contact the Air National Guard early, so
we can have a few F-16s fly over... If not, we'll get the C-130s again...
:-)

On this day, especially, it's important to remember that -- despite our
differences, both internal and external -- America is still free and strong,
and has allowed goofy guys like me to fly, prosper, and succeed, simply with
hard work and a stubborn faith in the future.

Thanks, America!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gary Drescher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GAaye.120502$_o.74941@attbi_s71...
> On this day, especially, it's important to remember that -- despite our
> differences, both internal and external -- America is still free and
> strong, and has allowed goofy guys like me to fly, prosper, and succeed,
> simply with hard work and a stubborn faith in the future.

Hard work, stubborn faith, *and* a large yearly government handout to prop
up the airport that feeds your business and your recreation; market forces,
if allowed to operate, would dictate a very different course. (Not that I
object to the socialism involved here--I just think it should be
acknowledged as such, and not begrudged in other walks of life either.)

But in any case, I do wish you a happy parade today. :)

--Gary

[Franklin Newton]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GAaye.120502$_o.74941@attbi_s71...
> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful
Fourth
> of July. Mary and I are soon to be off to the annual parade, where we
will
> once again be representing our Inn by posing as "Amelia Earhart" and "Fred
> Noonan"...
>
> Our kids will carry our banner, and toss thousands of pieces of candy to
the
> kids in the crowd. (Each with a little coupon attached, good for $25 off
> for their parents next stay!)
>
> Horses (hopefully not in front of us!), floats, bands, and clowns will
> complete the picture, all marching to the appreciation of thousands,
> fulfilling a tradition that goes back generations.
>
> Hopefully someone has remembered to contact the Air National Guard early,
so
> we can have a few F-16s fly over... If not, we'll get the C-130s
again...
> :-)
>
> On this day, especially, it's important to remember that -- despite our
> differences, both internal and external -- America is still free and
strong,
> and has allowed goofy guys like me to fly, prosper, and succeed, simply
with
> hard work and a stubborn faith in the future.
>
> Thanks, America!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>
Have a happy fourth Mr. Honeck, I am confused as to why, after railing
against pilots who have become lost and inadvertantly stumbled into the
ADIZ, even declaring them "my enemy" you would choose to portray Mr. Noonan
and Mrs. Earhart, obvious victims of navigational error.

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful Fourth
> of July. Mary and I are soon to be off to the annual parade, where we will
> once again be representing our Inn by posing as "Amelia Earhart" and "Fred
> Noonan"...

Couldn't you find a more successful couple? :-)


> Our kids will carry our banner, and toss thousands of pieces of candy to the
> kids in the crowd. (Each with a little coupon attached, good for $25 off
> for their parents next stay!)
>
> Horses (hopefully not in front of us!), floats, bands, and clowns will
> complete the picture, all marching to the appreciation of thousands,
> fulfilling a tradition that goes back generations.
>
> Hopefully someone has remembered to contact the Air National Guard early, so
> we can have a few F-16s fly over... If not, we'll get the C-130s again...
> :-)

One advantage of the 130s is that you have more time to admire them!
Happy 4th!


Matt

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GAaye.120502$_o.74941@attbi_s71...
> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful
Fourth
> of July.



Why can't people call it by it's proper name. which is "Independence Day".

Is being independent so bad anymore?

BTW:

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
Declaration of Independence? They signed and they pledged their lives,
their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were
farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they
signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty
would be death if they were captured.

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before
they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons
serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of
the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships
swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to
pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his
family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his
family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty
was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton,
Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British
General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He
quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was
destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his
wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13
children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to
waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home
to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died
from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar
fates.

Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were
not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means
and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing
tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the
protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other,
our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books
never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War.
We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and
we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for
granted...we shouldn't.

Source Unknown

[RST Engineering]

The reason God gave politicians two more brain cells than a horse is so that
they wouldn't poop on the streets in a parade. I hope you don't have any
horses or retarded politicians in front of you either.

{;-)


Jim



"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>
>> Horses (hopefully not in front of us!),

[Matt Barrow]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> The reason God gave politicians two more brain cells than a horse is so
that
> they wouldn't poop on the streets in a parade. I hope you don't have any
> horses or retarded politicians in front of you either.
>
> {;-)
>
>
Well that finally explains Teddy Kennedy!!

[RST Engineering]

And W.


"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RST Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The reason God gave politicians two more brain cells than a horse is so
> that
>> they wouldn't poop on the streets in a parade. I hope you don't have any
>> horses or retarded politicians in front of you either.
>>
>> {;-)
>>
>>
> Well that finally explains Teddy Kennedy!!
>
>
>

[S.]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GAaye.120502$_o.74941@attbi_s71...
> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful
> Fourth of July. Mary and I are soon to be off to the annual parade,
> where we will once again be representing our Inn by posing as "Amelia
> Earhart" and "Fred Noonan"...

Sounds a *lot* of fun Jay !

Very Happy Birthday America, from an admiring Limey (no hard feelings!
:-) ), who's hoping soon to join the Anglo American Academy in San Diego to
"go all the way".

Cheers!


Steve.

[ShawnD2112]

Thanks, Jay. In the nonsense of the current administration and atmosphere
in the country, it's nice to be reminded of the good things about America.

Shawn

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GAaye.120502$_o.74941@attbi_s71...
> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful
> Fourth of July. Mary and I are soon to be off to the annual parade,
> where we will once again be representing our Inn by posing as "Amelia
> Earhart" and "Fred Noonan"...
>
> Our kids will carry our banner, and toss thousands of pieces of candy to
> the kids in the crowd. (Each with a little coupon attached, good for $25
> off for their parents next stay!)
>
> Horses (hopefully not in front of us!), floats, bands, and clowns will
> complete the picture, all marching to the appreciation of thousands,
> fulfilling a tradition that goes back generations.
>
> Hopefully someone has remembered to contact the Air National Guard early,
> so we can have a few F-16s fly over... If not, we'll get the C-130s
> again... :-)
>
> On this day, especially, it's important to remember that -- despite our
> differences, both internal and external -- America is still free and
> strong, and has allowed goofy guys like me to fly, prosper, and succeed,
> simply with hard work and a stubborn faith in the future.
>
> Thanks, America!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[[email protected]]

<<Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
Declaration of Independence? >>

You really should check snopes.com before you post. This is only
partially true. Many errors in it.

I was up this morning for 2 hours over Manhattan . . . a spectacular
crystal clear day and a glorious flight. Hard NOT to be grateful for
the freedom of flight . . . Happy 4th to the NG readership!

[Jay Honeck]

> Hard work, stubborn faith, *and* a large yearly government handout to prop
> up the airport that feeds your business <snip>

Ah, Gary, I can always count on you to pee on a parade... You couldn't be
more wrong.

At best, fly-in pilots represent 5% of our sales. The best thing that could
POSSIBLY happen to my business would be for the airport to be bulldozed, and
that land developed into homes and businesses. I would probably see an
immediate 300% to 400% increase in business, and the value of the hotel
would absolutely skyrocket.

And we would get out of the business as fast as possible, since the *only*
reason we do this is to hang out with the likes of you all day long!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Have a happy fourth Mr. Honeck, I am confused as to why, after railing
> against pilots who have become lost and inadvertantly stumbled into the
> ADIZ, even declaring them "my enemy" you would choose to portray Mr.
> Noonan
> and Mrs. Earhart, obvious victims of navigational error.

Hey -- that *is* pretty funny, now that you mention it!

But, of course, the real reason is that Amelia Earhart is still the single
most recognizable woman pilot, and in a Fourth of July parade we need a
symbol that people will understand and associate with our aviation themed
hotel.

And I, as the mere driver of the convertible (Mary gets the place of honor,
seated on the retracted top, waving to the crowd and whacking me on the head
when I accelerate too fast!), had to dress up like SOMEONE. Since I sure
don't look like Charles Lindbergh -- even after losing 25 pounds -- Fred
Noonan was the only logical choice...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> One advantage of the 130s is that you have more time to admire them! Happy
> 4th!

Yeah, crap, we didn't get any planes at all this year. We had heavy storms
roll through right before the parade started, and a steady rain with low
scud throughout...

:-(

But, the temps were warm, and kids (and parents) showed up by the thousands,
so the show went on! We gave away thousands of pieces of candy and $75,000
in discount coupons -- and we got thoroughly soaked!

:-)

It's gonna take a week for the Mustang's interior to dry out...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Barrow]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> And W.

While W has issues, Teddy is on a different planet in another dimension.

>
>
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "RST Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> The reason God gave politicians two more brain cells than a horse is so
> > that
> >> they wouldn't poop on the streets in a parade. I hope you don't have
any
> >> horses or retarded politicians in front of you either.
> >>
> >> {;-)
> >>
> >>
> > Well that finally explains Teddy Kennedy!!

[Matt Barrow]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> <<Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
> Declaration of Independence? >>
>
> You really should check snopes.com before you post.

WOW!! How profound!

> This is only
> partially true.

Not THAT much different, but you're right...sorta.

> Many errors in it.

And such points as "Vandalizing and sacking are common during warfare"
really doesn't make a contradictory point, does it? Pointing out spelling
errors makes them seem lame.

Snopes makes it "living" on contradicting points. An example was the 19th
century 8th grade test in Kansas they said was bogus. When the original was
found, they refused to recant. OTOH, it was figured to be a test for the
TEACHERS, but why would a teacher need such knowledge unless to pass it to
their students. Still, though, they maintain it was FALSE.

[Gary Drescher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:eifye.132369$xm3.97873@attbi_s21...
> At best, fly-in pilots represent 5% of our sales. The best thing that
> could POSSIBLY happen to my business would be for the airport to be
> bulldozed, and that land developed into homes and businesses. I would
> probably see an immediate 300% to 400% increase in business, and the value
> of the hotel would absolutely skyrocket.

Interesting. I was relying largely on your statement, back when you first
contemplated buying the hotel, that "Surprisingly, not very many visitors
are pilots, according to my friend. I chalk this up to a simple lack of
advertising/marketing to the pilot crowd--which Mary and I would rectify
quickly". But if your expectations didn't pan out, then I stand corrected.

One thing still puzzles me, though. An argument you've made in favor of the
airport's government subsidy is that the airport is good for local business.
But if even an *aviation-themed hotel* has its business *diminished by a
factor of three or four* by having the airport next door, then I have
trouble understanding how the airport's net economic effect could actually
be positive. (I'm not saying it couldn't be so--just that it's hard to
understand offhand.)

--Gary

[RST Engineering]

In the same vein, a story about the Revolutionary war ...

General Washington took a squad of 24 soldiers and went out hunting the
British. After a week in the field, Corporal Peters was picked off by a
redcoat sharpshooter. The squad went on for another week and ran out of
food, water, and were thoroughly exhausted when they came upon this lovely
mansion along the side of the road with a red light out in front.

General Washington knocked on the door and explained to the madam that they
were American soldiers that were hungry, thirsty, tired, and in need of
comfort. The madam smiled and asked General Washington how many soldiers
there were. He said, "Madam, there are 23 soldiers with me without Peters".

The madam said, "You've got to be $#!tt!ng me!!!!!"


{;-)


Jim

[[email protected]]

> You really should check snopes.com before you post.



WOW!! How profound!

*******************************
Sophomoric response.

Nothing "profound" in what I wrote, and not intended to be. Just
trying to point out that the stuff you get by chain emails isn't always
to be swallowed as factual and then passed along as if it is.

[Matt Barrow]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> In the same vein, a story about the Revolutionary war ...
>
> General Washington took a squad of 24 soldiers and went out hunting the
> British. After a week in the field, Corporal Peters was picked off by a
> redcoat sharpshooter. The squad went on for another week and ran out of
> food, water, and were thoroughly exhausted when they came upon this lovely
> mansion along the side of the road with a red light out in front.
>
> General Washington knocked on the door and explained to the madam that
they
> were American soldiers that were hungry, thirsty, tired, and in need of
> comfort. The madam smiled and asked General Washington how many soldiers
> there were. He said, "Madam, there are 23 soldiers with me without
Peters".
>
> The madam said, "You've got to be $#!tt!ng me!!!!!"
>
>
I hope you didn't stay up too late working up that one. :>~

[Matt Barrow]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> > You really should check snopes.com before you post.
>
>
>
> WOW!! How profound!
>
> *******************************
> Sophomoric response.

Kiss my ass.

>
> Nothing "profound" in what I wrote, and not intended to be. Just
> trying to point out that the stuff you get by chain emails isn't always
> to be swallowed as factual and then passed along as if it is.

Well, you might check your assumptions because I didn't get it through a
chain e-mail. I got it from a magazine several years ago.

So, as above.

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> And I, as the mere driver of the convertible (Mary gets the place of
> honor, seated on the retracted top, waving to the crowd and whacking me on
> the head when I accelerate too fast!), had to dress up like SOMEONE.
> Since I sure don't look like Charles Lindbergh -- even after losing 25
> pounds -- Fred Noonan was the only logical choice...


For 2006, how about Howard Hughes - aviator/hotel magnet.

Mary could be Ava Gardner. Oo-la-la!!

"No flight suit this year honey. Instead, slip into this little sequin
number for our ride down Main Street"


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> Interesting. I was relying largely on your statement, back when you first
> contemplated buying the hotel, that "Surprisingly, not very many visitors
> are pilots, according to my friend. I chalk this up to a simple lack of
> advertising/marketing to the pilot crowd--which Mary and I would rectify
> quickly". But if your expectations didn't pan out, then I stand corrected.

The simple fact is that for every pilot, there are 99 (or more) wannabes.
You know who I mean:

....The folks who took a lesson, and ran out of money or gumption, but love
airplanes...

....The folks whose father/husband/brother flew F-51/86/104/15s in World War
II/Korea/Viet Nam/The Gulf War...

....The folks who never put together the $3500 it cost to become a pilot, but
can spring $99 to be surrounded by luxury and aviation...

....And, yes, the folks who love the *thought* of aviation, but never had the
guts to get out there and do it...

Bottom line, Gary: We're vastly outnumbered by the non-flying public, and
they stay at hotels just as often (or even more often) as than pilots do.
Do the math, and you'll see that pilots will NEVER be more than 5% of our
annual income, unless -- God help us -- the rest of the non-flying public
decides to stay somewhere else.

That said, when you figure that pilots are far less than 1% of the public,
yet 5% of our business comes from pilots, you can see that we're doing a
good job of attracting a LOT of pilots. It's a rare day that I don't have
someone to hangar fly with -- and THAT, my friend, is why we're doing it.

> One thing still puzzles me, though. An argument you've made in favor of
> the airport's government subsidy is that the airport is good for local
> business. But if even an *aviation-themed hotel* has its business
> *diminished by a factor of three or four* by having the airport next door,
> then I have trouble understanding how the airport's net economic effect
> could actually be positive. (I'm not saying it couldn't be so--just that
> it's hard to understand offhand.)

I'm always arguing in favor of the airport because it brings a huge return
to the city ($5.7 million) for a tiny annual investment ($180K).

See:

http://alexisparkinn.com/Iowa%202000%20Report%20on%20GA%20Airports/gen_aviation.pdf

Does that mean that turning the airport into condos and apartments wouldn't
bring MORE money into the city coffers? Perhaps not. But that same
argument can be used on every piece of municipal land, including parks,
parking garages, and 4-lane roads. EVERYTHING would bring in more tax
revenue if the Sears Tower were built on top of it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

> You really should check snopes.com before you post.

> WOW!! How profound!


> ******************************=AD*
> Sophomoric response.


>Kiss my ass.=20

Geeze, Matt . . . how old are you? Fourteen?

[Gary Drescher]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
> Well, you might check your assumptions because I didn't get it through a
> chain e-mail. I got it from a magazine several years ago.

You got it from "a magazine"? Was it called Chain Email Digest?

Seriously though, I'd be interested to know what magazine you rely on that
prints recycled urban legends without bothering to fact-check.

--Gary

[Icebound]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:H3iye.120998$x96.101044@attbi_s72...
.... snip...
> Does that mean that turning the airport into condos and apartments
> wouldn't bring MORE money into the city coffers? Perhaps not. But that
> same argument can be used on every piece of municipal land, including
> parks, parking garages, and 4-lane roads. EVERYTHING would bring in more
> tax revenue if the Sears Tower were built on top of it.
> --

Careful.

The Kelo decision has opened the way to do just that, for your *private*
property. It will be only a matter of time before lobbyists will convince
someone that it should be extended to *public* property as well.


And your previous post:

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:eifye.132369$xm3.97873@attbi_s21...
....snip...
> .... The best thing that could POSSIBLY happen to my business would be
> for the airport to be bulldozed, and that land developed into homes and
> businesses. I would probably see an immediate 300% to 400% increase in
> business, and the value of the hotel would absolutely skyrocket.
>
> And we would get out of the business as fast as possible,....
>

.... amazed me.

I am pleased that you recognize that in some cases, unfettered "free
enterprise" may actually be detrimental to one's quality of life!!! You are
going to be accused of starting to sound like one of those damn-socialist
Canadians! ;-)

Hope your Holiday celebrations went safely and well.

[Matt Whiting]

Matt Barrow wrote:

> "RST Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>The reason God gave politicians two more brain cells than a horse is so
>
> that
>
>>they wouldn't poop on the streets in a parade. I hope you don't have any
>>horses or retarded politicians in front of you either.
>>
>>{;-)
>>
>>
>
> Well that finally explains Teddy Kennedy!!
>
>
>

Yes, now we know why he poops in the street during parades! :-)

Matt

[Gary Drescher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:H3iye.120998$x96.101044@attbi_s72...
>
> The simple fact is that for every pilot, there are 99 (or more) wannabes.

Ok, but even *they*, if they're responding to your aviation theme, are
probably enticed by the view of the next-door airport, aren't they? Would
wannabe pilots really flock to a hotel just because it has some airplane
pictures hanging on the walls?

> Does that mean that turning the airport into condos and apartments
> wouldn't bring MORE money into the city coffers? Perhaps not.

Whoa, that's quite a distinction. So the airport is economically valuable by
comparison to a *vacant lot*! But compared to the most efficient use of the
property, the airport *stifles* nearby economic activity by a factor of
*four*, according to your estimate (unless there's some reason that an
*aviation-themed hotel* would be *more* adversely affected by an airport
than would most other businesses).

> But that same argument can be used on every piece of municipal land,
> including parks, parking garages, and 4-lane roads. EVERYTHING would
> bring in more tax revenue if the Sears Tower were built on top of it.

Precisely Jay! Market forces are very efficient, but very inhumane in the
goals that they efficiently pursue. That's why we often need government
interventions (such as the airport subsidy you advocate) in order to
*thwart* market forces and promote *quality of life* rather than unfettered
economic growth.

But the thing is, there's often much more at stake than the enjoyment of
General Aviation. Just as we need to thwart market forces in order to
promote access to recreational flying and other GA, we also--but much more
urgently--need to thwart market forces in order to promote expanded access
to education, medical care, and other prerequisites to being able to work
hard and enjoy the fruits of one's efforts.

Happy fourth of July. :)

--Gary

[vincent p. norris]

>...... (Not that I object to the socialism involved here.....

Gary, what do you think the word "socialism" means?

vince norris

[W P Dixon]

Geesh it could have been CBS evening news! ;)

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well, you might check your assumptions because I didn't get it through a
>> chain e-mail. I got it from a magazine several years ago.
>
> You got it from "a magazine"? Was it called Chain Email Digest?
>
> Seriously though, I'd be interested to know what magazine you rely on that
> prints recycled urban legends without bothering to fact-check.
>
> --Gary
>
>

[Matt Barrow]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> You really should check snopes.com before you post.

> WOW!! How profound!

Was the gist of the article correct? I got it from a historical journal. It
was originally written in 1994 and placed on the internet in 1999. My file
date says July 1, 1994.

> *******************************
> Sophomoric response.
>Kiss my ass.

> Geeze, Matt . . . how old are you? Fourteen?

Well, how about a response like this:

Drucker: No Matt, that document has some flaws; see http://www.snopes.com,
etc.

First, I don't check out documents I've had for years, on snopes...for one
thing, snopes isn't entirely accurate, either (check the same document onf
truthorfiction.com)

Why don't you go find out how much of history is subject to debate.

Maybe some other website can tell you that. Strangley, your fanatical quet
for accuracy has suddenly died along with that inflated ego of yours.

Finally, I'm fifty...so go **** yourself.



Then get your inflated ego out of that tightass of yours.

[Matt Barrow]

> "Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Well, you might check your assumptions because I didn't get it through
a
> >> chain e-mail. I got it from a magazine several years ago.
> >
> > You got it from "a magazine"? Was it called Chain Email Digest?

No, ****-for-brains. _American History Digest_, first published the
article in 1994.


> >
> > Seriously though, I'd be interested to know what magazine you rely on
that
> > prints recycled urban legends without bothering to fact-check.

Maybe ones that checks their facts about "joy riding"; they don't then start
tap dancing when found to be completely wrong.

Scumbag!

[Gary Drescher]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>> "Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Well, you might check your assumptions because I didn't get it
>> >> through a chain e-mail. I got it from a magazine several years ago.
>> >
>> > You got it from "a magazine"? Was it called Chain Email Digest?
>
> _American History Digest_, first published the article in 1994.

Is that the source of many of your ideas? Does it not cross your mind to
draw the obvious conclusion about their reliability?

By the way, the Library of Congress has no record of any publication of that
title (http://catalog.loc.gov). Any idea why?

--Gary

[Gary Drescher]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
> First, I don't check out documents I've had for years, on snopes...

Or anywhere else, unfortunately.

> for one thing, snopes isn't entirely accurate, either

Snopes has a well-deserved reputation for accuracy, but you're missing two
important points. One is that you need to fact-check *somewhere* that
provides pointers to primary sources, if you care whether what you say is
true. The other is that--because Snopes behaves responsibly--they do not
*ask* you to take their word for what they say--*they* cite sources that you
are encouraged to consult for yourself.

--Gary

[Gary Drescher]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> you're full of ****... Parasite... go play with yourself...
> kiss my ass... ****-for-brains... go **** yourself... Scumbag!

Matt, people who've followed this forum for the past several years know that
I rarely indulge in a post whose content is primarily ad hominem.

However.

You have quickly established yourself here as an abusive, blustering
buffoon. With almost comic reliability, anything you say without citing a
source can be presumed false, and can usually be *shown* false with just a
brief effort at fact-checking--as you yourself could easily discover if you
bothered to verify what you say before you go ahead and say it. But you
*don't* bother, because your contempt for the truth is breathtaking--rivaled
only by your contempt for civility. You'll apparently say and believe almost
anything if you think it helps promote your venal, puerile, cultish
ideology.

Nonetheless, I stand ready at any time to engage you in serious, respectful
discussion on any issue we disagree about, should you be interested in such
an exchange. I'm not holding my breath though.

--Gary

[Jay Honeck]

> I am pleased that you recognize that in some cases, unfettered "free
> enterprise" may actually be detrimental to one's quality of life!!! You
> are going to be accused of starting to sound like one of those
> damn-socialist Canadians! ;-)

Totally unfettered free trade would be a complete failure in those avenues
of life where this horrible thing we call "Government" must preside.

This is why government was invented, of course. Why would you believe that
I should think otherwise?

Of course, I suspect my version of those required avenues would be
substantially different than yours...

;-)

> Hope your Holiday celebrations went safely and well.

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> But the thing is, there's often much more at stake than the enjoyment of
> General Aviation. Just as we need to thwart market forces in order to
> promote access to recreational flying and other GA, we also--but much more
> urgently--need to thwart market forces in order to promote expanded access
> to education, medical care, and other prerequisites to being able to work
> hard and enjoy the fruits of one's efforts.

As usual, I suspect this is where we part ways, politically. But, as
always, it's been my pleasure jousting with you!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful
>> Fourth
>> of July.
>
> It was a workday like every other workday. But this was here.
> Hope you enjoyed your holiday.

Really? I figured your trade unions would have found *some* way to get our
Independence Day off by now!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gary Drescher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ZOvye.124274$x96.93531@attbi_s72...
> As usual, I suspect this is where we part ways, politically. But, as
> always, it's been my pleasure jousting with you!

Same here. It's always good to be able to have a respectful debate. Perhaps
someday we can continue the discussion long enough to convert one another.
:)

--Gary

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

> I figured your trade unions would have found *some* way to get our
> Independence Day off by now!
>

Ah, trade unions... They aren't what they used to be. We still have 30
workdays of vacation per year, so - no reason to complain...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[[email protected]]

<<your fanatical quet (sic)
for accuracy has suddenly died along with that inflated ego of yours.

Finally, I'm fifty...so go **** yourself.

Then get your inflated ego out of that tightass of yours. >>

**************************

Fifty years old and you speak like that in a forum of aviators? You
should be ashamed and embarrassed, but you probably aren't. What began
as a polite attempt to correct your erroneous and obviously forwarded
chain email quickly degenerated into an abusive display of your
childishness. You have shown yourself to be a vulgar liar. Don't
bother responding.

PLONK!

[Scott Migaldi]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Hope all of you across America (and overseas) are having a wonderful Fourth
> of July. Mary and I are soon to be off to the annual parade, where we will
> once again be representing our Inn by posing as "Amelia Earhart" and "Fred
> Noonan"...

Don't get lost on the way to the parade. We may not be able to find you ;-)


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[Skylune]

Yes!!! Thanks for mentioning the huge operating and capital subsidies
that the FAA provides. General Aviation is heavily subsidized by the
taxpaying public.

[Skylune]

The real story of tax-subsidies, as opposed to the AOPA's
disinformation....

http://www.bts.gov/programs/federal_subsidies_to_passenger_transportation/html/federal_subsidies_to_passenger_transportation.html

[Jay Honeck]

> Yes!!! Thanks for mentioning the huge operating and capital subsidies
> that the FAA provides. General Aviation is heavily subsidized by the
> taxpaying public.

Hey! Let's talk about the $534 billion (and climbing exponentially)
dollar annual Federal outlay for Medicare that's bankrupting our
country!

Versus the approximately $2.8 billion that we spend every year
subsidizing commercial aviation, nationwide.

That would be 1/190th of the cost of "health care" in America, in order
help ensure air access in the country.

Medicare and Medicaid now represent over half of the Federal budget,
and have become monsters that are far bigger than transportation,
defense or any other part of the budget.

I think you need a new cause. It appears that you are having trouble
seeing the forest cuz the trees are in your way...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stubby]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Yes!!! Thanks for mentioning the huge operating and capital subsidies
>>that the FAA provides. General Aviation is heavily subsidized by the
>>taxpaying public.
>
>
> Hey! Let's talk about the $534 billion (and climbing exponentially)
> dollar annual Federal outlay for Medicare that's bankrupting our
> country!
>
> Versus the approximately $2.8 billion that we spend every year
> subsidizing commercial aviation, nationwide.
>
> That would be 1/190th of the cost of "health care" in America, in order
> help ensure air access in the country.
>
> Medicare and Medicaid now represent over half of the Federal budget,
> and have become monsters that are far bigger than transportation,
> defense or any other part of the budget.
>
> I think you need a new cause. It appears that you are having trouble
> seeing the forest cuz the trees are in your way...

What about the $40B that the President has promised to Africa?

[skylunelives]

Skylune lives!!!

Well, Medicare is NOT a subsidy (unless you consider seniors to be a
special interest group, like private pilots), but I won't quibble that
there needs to be more cost effective solution.

As far as aid to Africa. I totally agree, no subsidies that will get
wasted by politically corrupt regimes: We have domestic issues at
home, and a fairly large (about 4.5% of GDP) budget deficit.

Of course, none of this means (logically) that GA should be subsidized
by taxpayers. Of course, logic and reason are in short supply here.
Most of you talk like you are political conservatives, but that is
complete BS because you WANT YOUR TAX SUBSIDIES!!! And you come up
with the most convoluted, tortured reasoning to justify it. Total
hyprcrisy. Right Dashing Dasher, you weak minded hypocrite (kitty).


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[Peter Duniho]

"skylunelives" > wrote in
message ...
>
> Skylune lives!!!

lol...

Did someone complain to this idiot's ISP enough to get his news posting
privileges taken away? I hadn't noticed, of course. Funny he'd go out of
his way to find an alternative route for his useless rantings.

Oh well...I still have lots of room left in my killfile.

*plonk*

[Jay Honeck]

> Well, Medicare is NOT a subsidy (unless you consider seniors to be a
> special interest group, like private pilots), but I won't quibble that
> there needs to be more cost effective solution.

Medicare is not a subsidy? What planet do you live on again?

At $530+ billion annually, it's the biggest subsidy of them all -- and it's
threatening to completely overwhelm the federal budget. In the next ten
years, it will -- unless drastic measures are taken.

As for airport subsidies, I suppose you have the same objections to the
interstate highway system? Or the Army Corps of Engineer's work on
waterways? How about Amtrak?

All of these transportation systems receive government subsidies, because
they are rightly seen as essential government services.

Are you advocating tollways for all motorists? If not, it is you, sir, who
are the hypocrite.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[skylunelives]

Idiot!!? LOL.

Of course the thin skinned, irrational pilots get upset when I shine a
light on the nature of your heavily taxpayer subsidized industry, and
then get me booted.

I monitor many sites, but only post under certain names because many of
you have brains that have been damaged by all the noise, rattling, etc.


And, trust me, it is no "trouble" at all to follow all of your inane
rantings on any website i choose, including i-pilot, student pilot, the
cessna site, etc.. Got to monitor what the opposition is doing, and
protect our communities and tax dollars from you flying socialists.

Yes, socialists: for all your disingenous talk of freedom and moaning
about liberal politicians just remember, you want taxpayers to
subsidize your hobby. It is an outrage, as is the total lack of
security at GA airports, the crashes that the NTSB pays to investigate
(several thousand investigations ongoing at all times -- this too is a
taxpayer subsidy), the corrupt nature of the FAA whose only mission is
to continously expand and support the industry, Phil Boyer (the
smirking punk), etc, etc.

I am a true conservative. I don't ask that my (boating, skiing,
hiking) hobbies be subsidized. I expect and am happy to pay full fare
(waiting for some moron to talk about the Coast Guard being a
subsidy...). Fly all you want, just don't make me pay for it (waiting
for the usual knuckleheads to equate Commercial aviaition with GA).

Be well. I am watching, voting, writing, and informing..... Call me
a troll if you wish. Most of you have the IQ of a snail, so I take it
from where it comes.

Good day, eh?


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[skylunelives]

Last thing Jay (who equates all federal spending with general taxpayer
subsidies that benefit a small minority): Norm Minetta gets it!!!

My regards, Dashing Dasher, who cannot win a debate and declares
himself "a hot stunt pilot." LOL.

Heeeere's Norm:


Remote towns may need to aid in airline subsidy
HEARING: Funds help keep prices down for 34 Alaska communities.

By RICHARD RICHTMYER
Anchorage Daily News

Published: July 6th, 2005
Last Modified: July 6th, 2005 at 02:34 AM


A 27-year-old federal subsidy for airlines that fly to remote
communities needs to be overhauled to catch up with changes in the
aviation industry, U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said
Tuesday. The overhaul could include paring back the number of
communities eligible and making them bear some of the cost.


The Essential Air Service program, established in 1978, was one of
several topics discussed during a U.S. Senate Commerce Committee
hearing in Anchorage. Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, the committee chairman,
was the only senator at the hearing, which lasted just over an hour and
half and included testimony from Mineta, FAA Administrator Marion
Blakey as well as local aviation officials and experts.

The subsidy, established when the airline industry was deregulated in
1978, used federal money to lower air-travel costs to 34 Alaska
communities and 92 elsewhere in the country. Funding totals $102
million for this budget year. That's down from $113 million in 2003.

The program's aim is to provide a safety-net level of air service to
the smallest and most isolated communities. Given that air service
remains the only way in or out of many Alaska villages, the
Transportation Department regards them as a high priority, Mineta
said.

But the program hasn't kept pace with airport improvements and changes
in the way airlines fly, which calls for much-needed structural
changes, Mineta said.

Changes the Transportation Department is proposing include requiring
communities to kick in at least 10 percent of the subsidy.

"I am well aware that the proposed requirement of a local contribution
has not been well received by many," Mineta said. "But this is one of
the few federal programs that does not have any local contribution."

Under the Transportation Department's proposal, the amount local
communities would have to contribute toward the program would vary,
based on their proximity to the national transportation system.

Communities more than 210 miles from the nearest large or medium hub
airport would have to provide 10 percent. Those between 100 and 210
miles from a large or medium hub airport would have to provide 25
percent.


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[Jay Honeck]

> Last thing Jay (who equates all federal spending with general taxpayer
> subsidies that benefit a small minority)

Are you saying Medicare doesn't benefit a minority of Americans?

> My regards, Dashing Dasher, who cannot win a debate and declares
> himself "a hot stunt pilot." LOL.

???

> Heeeere's Norm:

What's Mineta's statements against subsidizing airlines got to do with what
we're talking about?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Trent Moorehead]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:lc2ze.142890$nG6.115534@attbi_s22...
> > Last thing Jay (who equates all federal spending with general taxpayer
> > subsidies that benefit a small minority)
>
> Are you saying Medicare doesn't benefit a minority of Americans?
>
> > My regards, Dashing Dasher, who cannot win a debate and declares
> > himself "a hot stunt pilot." LOL.
>
> ???

Jay, don't reply to this person anymore. I'm putting him in my killfile and
so should you.

When you wrestle with a pig, you get very dirty. Problem is, the pig enjoys
it.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[Skylune]

Ping. And bye for now....