European 15m and Open championships: 1000 Km task!

[Lars Peder Hansen]

The European championships for 15m and open class started today in Finland.
The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open. I
guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)

Check http://www.egc2005.fi/index.html

Lars Peder
Danmark (-Go Henrik, Tom, Jan and Steen!)

[Janne Karjanlahti]

15 meter winner... Janus Centka with Diana 2 !!

-Janne

Lars Peder Hansen wrote:
> The European championships for 15m and open class started today in Finland.
> The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open. I
> guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)
>
> Check http://www.egc2005.fi/index.html
>
> Lars Peder
> Danmark (-Go Henrik, Tom, Jan and Steen!)
>
>
>

[F.L. Whiteley]

Lars Peder Hansen wrote:

> The European championships for 15m and open class started today in
> Finland. The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for
> open. I guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)
>
> Check http://www.egc2005.fi/index.html
>
> Lars Peder
> Danmark (-Go Henrik, Tom, Jan and Steen!)
No wuss tasks there.

Frank

[hazzu]

"Lars Peder Hansen" > kirjoitti
ele.dk...
> The European championships for 15m and open class started today in
Finland.
> The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open. I
> guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)

The results:

In Open Class all but three pilots made it (1 K, that is!) and also all the
three not completing the task flew over 900 K.

The 15 meter class had clearly easier task, only one pilot outlanded.

So, this must be Finland ;)

Just out of curiosity: What is the longest task given AND completed in any
major competition?

And now some sleep

Best regards,

hannu, the guy messing the results...

[Bo Brunsgaard]

"hazzu" > wrote in message news:<lDiye.1928>
> The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open. I
> > guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)
>
> The results:
>
> In Open Class all but three pilots made it (1 K, that is!) and also all the
> three not completing the task flew over 900 K.
>

From (poor) memory, I seem to recall stories of two previous 1K tasks
during competitions (I believe one was in the US, and one possibly in
Australia?). Details are hazy, but I think the number of finishers in
each case was in the very low single digit range. Nothing like 17
finishers.

Leaves you wondering - what are the tasksetters going to do now if the
weather turns really good? :-)

Bo

[hazzu]

"Bo Brunsgaard" > kirjoitti
gle.com...
> "hazzu" > wrote in message news:<lDiye.1928>
> > The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open.
I
> > > guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)
> >
> > The results:
> >
> > In Open Class all but three pilots made it (1 K, that is!) and also all
the
> > three not completing the task flew over 900 K.
> >
>
> From (poor) memory, I seem to recall stories of two previous 1K tasks
> during competitions (I believe one was in the US, and one possibly in
> Australia?). Details are hazy, but I think the number of finishers in
> each case was in the very low single digit range. Nothing like 17
> finishers.



> Leaves you wondering - what are the tasksetters going to do now if the
> weather turns really good? :-)

They probably still smile because of yesterday :) But, I guess they don't
gamble any more and keep the tasks in cozy 700-800 km level... Well,
theoretically 1k in 15 meters, but it's quite slight a chance in my
opininion, though...

a) yesterday 15m started about 40-50 minutes later (because of the towing
order)
b) arrived another 40-50 minutes earlier
c) made the same average speed

so... 1,5 hours with 117 km/h... makes one wonder... ;)

To be straight, those 1,5 hours wouldn't have been the fastest ones :/

Today should be quite a fast- just a 500k- task to give the pilots a bit of
rest.

Then, tomorrow maybe... ;)

And all this is just my little thoughts and I don't affect the tasks in any
level, nor do I have any "inside" sources. These are not even rumours. I
just have a bit of lose time in my hands to muse about things :)

hannu

the guy messing the results in egc2005

[Guy Byars]

> From (poor) memory, I seem to recall stories of two previous 1K tasks
> during competitions (I believe one was in the US, and one possibly in
> Australia?). Details are hazy, but I think the number of finishers in
> each case was in the very low single digit range. Nothing like 17
> finishers.


17-September-1990, New Castle Virginia. 1000k task, 16 finishers.

http://www.brss.net/1000k.htm

[01-- Zero One]

I noticed in looking at the pictures from the contest that many of the
gliders shown had what I presume was bug wipers at the leading edge wing
root. Are bug wipers back in vogue in Europe?

Larry



"Lars Peder Hansen" > wrote in message
:

> The European championships for 15m and open class started today in Finland.
> The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open. I
> guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)
>
> Check http://www.egc2005.fi/index.html
>
> Lars Peder
> Danmark (-Go Henrik, Tom, Jan and Steen!)

[Erik Braun]

Hi!

01-- Zero One wrote:

> I noticed in looking at the pictures from the contest that many of the
> gliders shown had what I presume was bug wipers at the leading edge wing
> root. Are bug wipers back in vogue in Europe?

"back" in vogue? I don't know any contest flyer who doesn't use them. I'd
say they are one of the best inventions in gliding history. They are still
useful on modern airfoils, to say nothing of older ones, like on my LS1.

Erik

[Ray Lovinggood]

Erik,

According to the rules, bug wipers are not allowed
in competitions flown in the US. At least, that's
the way I interpret the rules...

Which model of LS1 do you fly?

Where in Europe do you fly?


Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS1-d, s/n 27

At 14:06 05 July 2005, Erik Braun wrote:
>Hi!
>
>01-- Zero One wrote:
>
>> I noticed in looking at the pictures from the contest
>>that many of the
>> gliders shown had what I presume was bug wipers at
>>the leading edge wing
>> root. Are bug wipers back in vogue in Europe?
>
>'back' in vogue? I don't know any contest flyer who
>doesn't use them. I'd
>say they are one of the best inventions in gliding
>history. They are still
>useful on modern airfoils, to say nothing of older
>ones, like on my LS1.
>
>Erik
>

[goneill]

There was a 1000k task at a New Zealand South island Regionals a year
or two back,I think 2/3rds of the fleet made it round
"hazzu" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Lars Peder Hansen" > kirjoitti
> ele.dk...
>> The European championships for 15m and open class started today in
> Finland.
>> The tasks on the first day is 834 Km for 15 meter and 1012 Km for open. I
>> guess that will get the attention of the participants ;-)
>
> The results:
>
> In Open Class all but three pilots made it (1 K, that is!) and also all
> the
> three not completing the task flew over 900 K.
>
> The 15 meter class had clearly easier task, only one pilot outlanded.
>
> So, this must be Finland ;)
>
> Just out of curiosity: What is the longest task given AND completed in any
> major competition?
>
> And now some sleep
>
> Best regards,
>
> hannu, the guy messing the results...
>
>

[Erik Braun]

Hi Ray,

> According to the rules, bug wipers are not allowed
> in competitions flown in the US. At least, that's
> the way I interpret the rules...

Wow, that's a pity!

> Which model of LS1 do you fly?

I own a LS1-e, s/n 155, which has the fuselage of the -d model combined with
a tailplane of the -f model but a bit thinner. The wings are the same.
AFAIK only two of them were built.
In humid conditions with many bugs or in rain I experienced high minimum
speeds. In thermals I have to maintain at least 90kph after some time,
depending on the amount of bugs, when not using wipers.

> Where in Europe do you fly?

My club is located in Southern Germany north of Stuttgart. We often have a
lot of bugs in the air, especially after heavy rain in summer.

[BB]

Bug wipers are allowed in US contests in all classes except sports and
PW5. (Just bring up the rules from ssa or sra website and search for
"bug wiper". It took me less than 2 minutes.) Not many pilots use them
in the US, I presume because most US contest flying is a lot less buggy
than in Europe. Or maybe we're all following a nice implicit bargain
"if nobody else bothers with them I won't add them either" to keep
things a bit simpler for once.

John Cochrane BB

[Bo Brunsgaard]

"Guy Byars" > wrote in message >...
> > From (poor) memory, I seem to recall stories of two previous 1K tasks
> > during competitions (I believe one was in the US, and one possibly in
> > Australia?). Details are hazy, but I think the number of finishers in
> > each case was in the very low single digit range. Nothing like 17
> > finishers.
>
>
> 17-September-1990, New Castle Virginia. 1000k task, 16 finishers.
>
> http://www.brss.net/1000k.htm

Sorry, my error. Shouldn't rely that much on memory anymore, this
close to my fourtieth birthday.

Bo

[Andy]

I think they were not allowed in US until very recently. I didn't see
the change in the rules summary and I heard people saying they were
banned even though the rules said they were not. I wondered if it was
a mistake but didn't take advantage of it as we seldom see much bug
contamination in SW USA. This spring in AZ was unusually buggy so it
made me think of them again.

Andy

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1000km triangle in Australian nationals at Waikerie in 1980s. Some made
it around, some not. Apparently two of those who did make it also
played the start game!
Tom

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1000km triangle in Australian nationals at Waikerie in 1980s. Some made
it around, some not. Apparently two of those who did make it also
played the start game!
Tom

[GK]

It seems that Diana 2 flies as pretty as it looks. J.Centka leads the
15 meter class after wining three days so far...

[CM]

Is it the ship or the pilot? Diana 2 and Centka won yesterday and
today again. Five wins so far.

GK wrote:
> It seems that Diana 2 flies as pretty as it looks. J.Centka leads the
> 15 meter class after wining three days so far...

[GK]

You think an ex open class Champion would be able to beat the crap out
Ventus 2's, Asw 27's flying flapped version of Pewee? At this level of
competition its both!