Pilots Arrested for Disability Payments

[Hilton]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments

[Matt Barrow]

"Hilton" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>
>

"Forty pilots were arrested after an investigation found they were licensed
to fly but were receiving Social Security disability payments for a variety
of illnesses, federal officials said. "

Sigh!!!

Nah...let's not go there!

[john smith]

> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:42:25 GMT, "Hilton" >
> wrote:
> :http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments

So much for only using the information to find terrorists.

[Doug]

They can't FIND the terrorists. So they arrest who is convenient. Law
enforcement works this way.

Take the Jon Benet murder. They couldn't find the murderer, so who did
they arrest? The JOURNALISTS!

[kontiki]

And that is just the tip of the iceberg. If only they could check the
rest of the people (besides just pilots) collecting the handouts.

Hilton wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>
>

[kontiki]

Doug wrote:

> They can't FIND the terrorists. So they arrest who is convenient. Law
> enforcement works this way.
>
> Take the Jon Benet murder. They couldn't find the murderer, so who did
> they arrest? The JOURNALISTS!
>

[[email protected]]

kontiki wrote:
> And that is just the tip of the iceberg. If only they could check the
> rest of the people (besides just pilots) collecting the handouts.
>
> Hilton wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
> >
> >

There are agencies that police handout programs. A good friend of mine
used to be an investigator for the Dep't of Health & Human Services and
most of what he did were Medicare cases.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Richard Riley > said:
>On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:42:25 GMT, "Hilton" >
>wrote:
>
>:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>
>OK, some of the conditions listed - like schiz or a heart condition -
>would disqualify you from a medical. But a bad back? I think some of
>these guys are going to walk away from this one. If their AME knew

Call me a wooly headed liberal, but if you're receiving disability
payments, should you be, like, disabled or something? If your bad back
doesn't disqualify you from flying, it doesn't disqualify you from working
a desk job or driving a truck either.

Disability payments are supposed to be a safety net, not a hammock.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"But what...is it good for?"
--Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM commenting on
the microchip, 1968.

[Hotel 179]

--

"Doug" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> They can't FIND the terrorists. So they arrest who is convenient. Law
> enforcement works this way.
>
> Take the Jon Benet murder. They couldn't find the murderer, so who did
> they arrest? The JOURNALISTS!
>
-----------------------------------------reply-------------------------------------------------

Doug, Doug, Doug.....in the JBR case, they have yet to establish that it was
a murder, let alone arrest anyone. White, the journalist that you
mentioned, was a close friend of John's and was at the home on the night
that the body was discovered. He turned against the Ramsey's and led the
charge to have a Special Prosecutor appointed. He was also the target of an
accusation of child sexual abuse in California. The police and the DA's
office have been at each other's throat's for years over this case .

Law enforcement works this way, and I can tell you from the perspective of
having worn a badge and gun to work for a long time: Crimes are solved in
two ways, the old fashioned way and the high tech way. The old fashioned
way is for someone to tell you what happened. In the high tech way, someone
calls you on the phone and tells you what happened. The JOURNALIST that you
mentioned plead guilty to a charge of failure to answer a subpoena on a
Ramsey-related case. He didn't think that he had anything important to say
to the judge so he just didn't go.....he received an invitation to a party
and didn't RSVP. That's a no-no in the court system and judges take it as
an affront.

Before you cast aspersions on law enforcement in the general way in which
you did it, get your facts straight. The JBR case has already cost a whole
pile of money and there are other crimes to solve out there.

Stephen
Foley, Alabama

[W P Dixon]

Go to the Feds site ,
It list names and ages and has alittle more about the investigation. The
kicker will be....1. Lied on FAA medical or lied to SSDI. 2. Every 2 years
you have to do a survey for SSDI and report your doctors visits,..all of
them! it has a question on it that states,..have you spoken to your doctor
about working, does you doctor feel you can return to work?
Being disabled does not mean you can not fly, but if you are disabled I
do not see how you can fly for hire. Amputees fly airplanes , can they get a
commercial cert?
There's no way I could pass the commercial medical exam,...NO WAY! Does that
mean I can't fly around the patch for alittle on a good day? I can operate a
motor vehicle on the highway, why can't I fly a plane?
SSDI rules say you can work a part time job if you do not make over such
and such amount,...but a commercial ticket says you can fly for hire. They
don't hand out medicals with only able to fly for hire part time on them do
they? ;)

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech



"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:55:40 +0000 (UTC),
> (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>
> :In a previous article, Richard Riley > said:
> :>On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:42:25 GMT, "Hilton" >
> :>wrote:
> :>
> :>:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
> :>
> :>OK, some of the conditions listed - like schiz or a heart condition -
> :>would disqualify you from a medical. But a bad back? I think some of
> :>these guys are going to walk away from this one. If their AME knew
> :
> :Call me a wooly headed liberal, but if you're receiving disability
> :payments, should you be, like, disabled or something? If your bad back
> :doesn't disqualify you from flying, it doesn't disqualify you from
> working
> :a desk job or driving a truck either.
> :
> :Disability payments are supposed to be a safety net, not a hammock.
>
> Let's say you have a back injury that 1) prevents you from lifting
> anything and 2) keeps you from sittng or standing for more than 2
> hours.
>
> Most places won't hire you, because they're afraid you are going to
> pick up a stapler, throw your back out completely, and they'll be on
> the hook for workman's comp.
>
> OTOH, there's a lot of flying you can do in 2 hours.
>
> It's also not clear from the article, but some of these guys may have
> gotten a 3 year third class medical before their injury.
>

[Aluckyguess]

I met a guy with one arm.
"Hilton" > wrote in message
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>
>

[Hilton]

Richard Riley wrote:

> It's also not clear from the article, but some of these guys may have
> gotten a 3 year third class medical before their injury.

You 'self certify' everytime you fly.

Hilton

[Allen]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>I met a guy with one arm.

Was he flying for hire AND drawing disability? I have one arm, fly for a
living but I am not on any type of disability.

Allen

[Allen]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in message
...
> Go to the Feds site ,
>> Being disabled does not mean you can not fly, but if you are disabled
>> I
> do not see how you can fly for hire. Amputees fly airplanes , can they get
> a commercial cert?

I lost my left arm in a hunting accident when I was fifteen years old. I
learned to fly with a steel hook and got my private certificate. Later went
to work for an FBO as a line boy, got my Instrument, Commercial and then the
CFI. Couple years later got my CFI-I and MEI. (Examiner made me take the
check ride from the left seat and then the right seat, I guess to be for
sure-for sure). A few years back I got the ATP. I have flown corporate
and FAR 135 in several types of jets.

So yes, amputees can get a commercial certificate :)

Allen

[W P Dixon]

Well Heck!
That's just too cool! I had seen a few sites with people with disabilities
flying, but I was unaware they could get commercial ratings! I think that is
great! Unluckily my condition would not allow the commercial or even a PPL ,
but it is really cool that amputees can and do fly commercial.
SSDI says they can work part time, just will be a matter of lying on one
medical or the other. I have no doubt that some at least were trying to
scam. I do agree with you playing it both ways seems somewhat unethical,
even downright unethical in a few of them I would imagine.

Patrick

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
...
>W P Dixon wrote:
>
>> Being disabled does not mean you can not fly, but if you are disabled
>> I do not see how you can fly for hire. Amputees fly airplanes , can they
>> get a commercial cert?
>
> yes. I am paraplegic and hold a valid class-II (and have a commercial
> ASEL and AMEL) and have been flying for hire (not as much as I'd like
> though -- hey, any one needs to ferry something somwhere? :-), and
> I am not alone (google International Wheelchair Aviators for more
> details -- some of us hold class-I and are ATP); I don't get (nor
> have I ever applied for) disability benefits (I don't think I'd
> qualify) and do work for a living though. And I do find it somewhat
> unethical to be playing both ways, but then again I don't know these
> guys circumstances.
>
> --Sylvain
>
> ps technical details: I did have to do two 'medical flight tests'
> with a FAA inspector, one when I got my class-III and another
> one when I upgraded to class-II (and I'll have to do it again
> when/if I upgrade to class-I); not really a check ride, just
> enough to conving the inspector that I was safe; first one was
> made in an ASEL and the second one in an AMEL (not required, but
> the inspector said he'd be curious to see me fly one if I didn't
> mind, and I never mind flying a twin :-)

[Dave Butler]

Hilton wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments

I wonder whether their pilot certificat numbers were the same as their social
security numbers, and if so, would they still have been able to do the matching
if the numbers were different?

I don't condone anyone lying to either the FAA or SSA, or to their doctor, but
isn't this the kind of database data mining that the privacy watchers have been
warning us about if we continue to use our SS numbers to identify ourselves for
non-SS purposes?

Dave

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Dave
You got it! I began squawking about this over 20 years ago and got
poo-pooed as a radical......UmmmHmmmm I also forecast one day having a
number visible to special equipment tatooed on everyones forehead and
it all ties into a govt computer base. Back in the mid 60's I forecast
that all pilots would eventually have to have an instrument rating
starting with the commercial pilots and look what happened?! National
Identity number, papers, ummmm ...............
I'll be dead by the time it all takes place but its not far off.
Ol Shy & Bashful with an AOPA number of 0198581 if that dates me...|!

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Dave Butler" <x@yy> wrote in message
...
> Hilton wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>
> I wonder whether their pilot certificat numbers were the same as their
> social security numbers, and if so, would they still have been able to do
> the matching if the numbers were different?
>
> I don't condone anyone lying to either the FAA or SSA, or to their doctor,
> but isn't this the kind of database data mining that the privacy watchers
> have been warning us about if we continue to use our SS numbers to
> identify ourselves for non-SS purposes?
>
> Dave


Well the government is sending them a check every month. I think they should
do more than checking other government records to see if they are commiting
fraud.

Would you consider it a privacy violation if they went after people who were
getting SSI checks and they noticed those same people were getting pay
checks?

[Franklin Newton]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, Richard Riley > said:
> >On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:42:25 GMT, "Hilton" >
> >wrote:
> >
>
>:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
> >
> >OK, some of the conditions listed - like schiz or a heart condition -
> >would disqualify you from a medical. But a bad back? I think some of
> >these guys are going to walk away from this one. If their AME knew
>
> Call me a wooly headed liberal, but if you're receiving disability
> payments, should you be, like, disabled or something? If your bad back
> doesn't disqualify you from flying, it doesn't disqualify you from working
> a desk job or driving a truck either.
>
> Disability payments are supposed to be a safety net, not a hammock.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> "But what...is it good for?"
> --Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM commenting on
> the microchip, 1968.
We have a Sheriff's deputy in San Joaquin county who is drawing a disability
retirement from another enforcement agency, so getting the money doesn't
really mean you're really disabled.

[Jim Buckridge]

They certainly established that it was a murder. The girl was found
found beaten and strangled in her own basement. You must be thinking
of someone else.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Sylvain wrote:
> ps technical details: I did have to do two 'medical flight tests'
> with a FAA inspector, one when I got my class-III and another
> one when I upgraded to class-II (and I'll have to do it again
> when/if I upgrade to class-I); not really a check ride, just
> enough to conving the inspector that I was safe; first one was
> made in an ASEL and the second one in an AMEL (not required, but
> the inspector said he'd be curious to see me fly one if I didn't
> mind, and I never mind flying a twin :-)


Now you've got me curious both as a nurse and as a pilot: how do you handle
engine outs in a twin? Rudder trim only goes so far. Have you got an adaptive
device to allow you to "stand on" the rudder?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

W P Dixon wrote:
> Well Heck!
> That's just too cool! I had seen a few sites with people with disabilities
> flying, but I was unaware they could get commercial ratings! I think that is
> great! Unluckily my condition would not allow the commercial or even a PPL ,
> but it is really cool that amputees can and do fly commercial.



Do a google search on Sir Doublas Bader. Not only was he one of the RAF's
leading aces in WWII, he was a bilateral amputee from a flying accident before
the war. One above the knee; one below the knee... and what was left was one
hell of a man.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Sylvain]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>
> Now you've got me curious both as a nurse and as a pilot: how do you handle
> engine outs in a twin? Rudder trim only goes so far. Have you got an adaptive
> device to allow you to "stand on" the rudder?
>

You wouldn't believe how many people (MEIs, examiners, FAA
inspectors, etc.) want to throw engine out exercises at me
every time they ride with me in a twin :-)

Seriously: as a nurse you already know what paraplegic (or
quadriplegic for that matter) means, i.e., essentially it
is someone who suffered a spinal cord injury below a given
level (defined loosely by the vertebrae affected); it
doesn't say anything about the extent of the neurological
damages (extents of the paralysis); i.e., it varies from
complete paralysis to no visible symptoms whatsoever; in my
case I did recover enough to be able to walk, drive and fly
without any adaptive devices; I do however walk with forearm
crutches, and I wear ortheses in my shoes (because I didn't
recover enough to move the feet; i.e., it feels a bit like
flying with ski-boots on (which makes some aircraft
difficult if not impossible for me to handle due to the
ergonomics of the rudder pedals; the funny thing is that
the bigger the aircraft, the easier it is, i.e., I
find the C-310 with its big fat rudder pedals much easier to
handle than a cramped C-152 :-)

Although I do have enough strength to keep the aircraft
under control for extended period of time when the critical
engine goes out, it does not necessarily look like I can
handle it to someone who just look at me (let's say that
the way I walk with the forearm crutches makes it obvious
that I am not just suffering from a sprung ankle :-)

the FAA inspector prudently simulated the first engine
out exercise at altitude, and was apparently happy
with the outcome since he did another one for the last
landing :-) (and an engine out landing requires a
bit of dancing on the rudders as you reduce power); the
examiner for the commercial did a few testss as well,
including a one engine out landing onto a very narrow
runway (about the width of the landing gear) to satisfy
himself that I could do it;

that said, there are a number of adaptive devices out
there for various types of aircraft, both fixed and
rotary wings for pilots with complete paralysis; you
may want to have a look at IWA web site where you can
see a couple of examples (look at the FAQ):

http://www.wheelchairaviators.org/

--Sylvain

[W P Dixon]

Sylvain,
You are a definite inspiration to my gimpped up old butt I tell ya!
Sometimes I wonder if I will ever get through this sport pilot thing,..heck
I am just doing small taters!!! Been flying an old taildragger and really
alittle over 2 hours a day is about all I can do. Wish I could fly more but
I have to go as funds allow, so I try to go get a few hours about once a
month. Probably could do better if we did not have to travel for 5 and a
half hours to fly! The wife is very supportive and has not complained to
much about driving most of the way.
I hope to solo my next time, have to go ahead and take the written..and
Lord I hate tests!!! I may have a disability , but it doesn't mean I am a
vegetable and lay in bed....have to live while you can! Doc said very rarely
improves, but I am hopeful. I long to be back on a flightline ! Even though
I sure used to hate doing them I would even be happy to do seat track
splices on a big commercial ! ;)
Thanks so much for sharing your experience, I'm really ready to hop back
in that Champ now! Look out Luscombe you are next!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
...
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>>
>> Now you've got me curious both as a nurse and as a pilot: how do you
>> handle engine outs in a twin? Rudder trim only goes so far. Have you
>> got an adaptive device to allow you to "stand on" the rudder?
>>
>
> You wouldn't believe how many people (MEIs, examiners, FAA
> inspectors, etc.) want to throw engine out exercises at me
> every time they ride with me in a twin :-)
>
> Seriously: as a nurse you already know what paraplegic (or
> quadriplegic for that matter) means, i.e., essentially it
> is someone who suffered a spinal cord injury below a given
> level (defined loosely by the vertebrae affected); it
> doesn't say anything about the extent of the neurological
> damages (extents of the paralysis); i.e., it varies from
> complete paralysis to no visible symptoms whatsoever; in my
> case I did recover enough to be able to walk, drive and fly
> without any adaptive devices; I do however walk with forearm
> crutches, and I wear ortheses in my shoes (because I didn't
> recover enough to move the feet; i.e., it feels a bit like
> flying with ski-boots on (which makes some aircraft
> difficult if not impossible for me to handle due to the
> ergonomics of the rudder pedals; the funny thing is that
> the bigger the aircraft, the easier it is, i.e., I
> find the C-310 with its big fat rudder pedals much easier to
> handle than a cramped C-152 :-)
>
> Although I do have enough strength to keep the aircraft
> under control for extended period of time when the critical
> engine goes out, it does not necessarily look like I can
> handle it to someone who just look at me (let's say that
> the way I walk with the forearm crutches makes it obvious
> that I am not just suffering from a sprung ankle :-)
>
> the FAA inspector prudently simulated the first engine
> out exercise at altitude, and was apparently happy
> with the outcome since he did another one for the last
> landing :-) (and an engine out landing requires a
> bit of dancing on the rudders as you reduce power); the
> examiner for the commercial did a few testss as well,
> including a one engine out landing onto a very narrow
> runway (about the width of the landing gear) to satisfy
> himself that I could do it;
>
> that said, there are a number of adaptive devices out
> there for various types of aircraft, both fixed and
> rotary wings for pilots with complete paralysis; you
> may want to have a look at IWA web site where you can
> see a couple of examples (look at the FAQ):
>
> http://www.wheelchairaviators.org/
>
> --Sylvain

[Aluckyguess]

No just flew for fun. I dont know if he was drawing or not.
I get your point and it makes sense.
"Allen" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I met a guy with one arm.
>
> Was he flying for hire AND drawing disability? I have one arm, fly for a
> living but I am not on any type of disability.
>
> Allen
>

[ShawnD2112]

Interesting case, Sylvain, and a credit to you that you didn't let the
injury ruin your life or your approach to it.

We had an interesting case of adaptive aircraft here in the UK last year.
There is a Pitts Special pilot who was in an accident in South Africa which
damaged both ankles so that he can't move them, somewhat like yourself
(ski-boot effect). The Pitts has toe breaks like a C152 but, unlike the
Cessna, really, really needs them on landing to control the twitchiness of
the swings. The UK Pitts expert, a man named Rob Millinship, designed and
built a very clever braking device with a hand-held actuator that allows
progressive braking as the rudder pedal is applied. Hold the hand-lever and
you get braking from zero to full as you push the pedal to the stop, release
the hand-lever and all you get is rudder. Works a treat and the pilot is
able to land on hard tarmac as well as grass. One of the neatest and most
noble pieces of engineering design I've ever seen.

Shawn
Pitts S-1D, G-BKVP

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
...
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>>
>> Now you've got me curious both as a nurse and as a pilot: how do you
>> handle engine outs in a twin? Rudder trim only goes so far. Have you
>> got an adaptive device to allow you to "stand on" the rudder?
>>
>
> You wouldn't believe how many people (MEIs, examiners, FAA
> inspectors, etc.) want to throw engine out exercises at me
> every time they ride with me in a twin :-)
>
> Seriously: as a nurse you already know what paraplegic (or
> quadriplegic for that matter) means, i.e., essentially it
> is someone who suffered a spinal cord injury below a given
> level (defined loosely by the vertebrae affected); it
> doesn't say anything about the extent of the neurological
> damages (extents of the paralysis); i.e., it varies from
> complete paralysis to no visible symptoms whatsoever; in my
> case I did recover enough to be able to walk, drive and fly
> without any adaptive devices; I do however walk with forearm
> crutches, and I wear ortheses in my shoes (because I didn't
> recover enough to move the feet; i.e., it feels a bit like
> flying with ski-boots on (which makes some aircraft
> difficult if not impossible for me to handle due to the
> ergonomics of the rudder pedals; the funny thing is that
> the bigger the aircraft, the easier it is, i.e., I
> find the C-310 with its big fat rudder pedals much easier to
> handle than a cramped C-152 :-)
>
> Although I do have enough strength to keep the aircraft
> under control for extended period of time when the critical
> engine goes out, it does not necessarily look like I can
> handle it to someone who just look at me (let's say that
> the way I walk with the forearm crutches makes it obvious
> that I am not just suffering from a sprung ankle :-)
>
> the FAA inspector prudently simulated the first engine
> out exercise at altitude, and was apparently happy
> with the outcome since he did another one for the last
> landing :-) (and an engine out landing requires a
> bit of dancing on the rudders as you reduce power); the
> examiner for the commercial did a few testss as well,
> including a one engine out landing onto a very narrow
> runway (about the width of the landing gear) to satisfy
> himself that I could do it;
>
> that said, there are a number of adaptive devices out
> there for various types of aircraft, both fixed and
> rotary wings for pilots with complete paralysis; you
> may want to have a look at IWA web site where you can
> see a couple of examples (look at the FAQ):
>
> http://www.wheelchairaviators.org/
>
> --Sylvain

[Sylvain]

ShawnD2112 wrote:

> the swings. The UK Pitts expert, a man named Rob Millinship, designed and
> built a very clever braking device with a hand-held actuator that allows
> progressive braking as the rudder pedal is applied. Hold the hand-lever and
> you get braking from zero to full as you push the pedal to the stop, release
> the hand-lever and all you get is rudder. Works a treat and the pilot is
> able to land on hard tarmac as well as grass. One of the neatest and most
> noble pieces of engineering design I've ever seen.

what you describe looks a bit like the braking system on the Antonov
AN2B (another single engine biplane, but not quite as gracious as
the Pitts :-)

--Sylvain

ps did my PPL(A) in Clacton-on-Sea; UK is indeed a bit more open
minded about flying with disabilities than the rest of Europe...

[Mike Weller]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:33:05 GMT, kontiki >
wrote:

>
>
>Doug wrote:
>
>> They can't FIND the terrorists. So they arrest who is convenient. Law
>> enforcement works this way.
>>
>> Take the Jon Benet murder. They couldn't find the murderer, so who did
>> they arrest? The JOURNALISTS!
>>

And???

[Mike Weller]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:54:58 -0700, Sylvain > wrote:

>ShawnD2112 wrote:
>
>> the swings. The UK Pitts expert, a man named Rob Millinship, designed and
>> built a very clever braking device with a hand-held actuator that allows
>> progressive braking as the rudder pedal is applied. Hold the hand-lever and
>> you get braking from zero to full as you push the pedal to the stop, release
>> the hand-lever and all you get is rudder. Works a treat and the pilot is
>> able to land on hard tarmac as well as grass. One of the neatest and most
>> noble pieces of engineering design I've ever seen.
>
>what you describe looks a bit like the braking system on the Antonov
>AN2B (another single engine biplane, but not quite as gracious as
>the Pitts :-)
>
>--Sylvain
>
>ps did my PPL(A) in Clacton-on-Sea; UK is indeed a bit more open
>minded about flying with disabilities than the rest of Europe...

And from what I've heared from the pilots here, it works very well.

Mike Weller

[Kathy]

"Hilton" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>

What surprised us was that their names were published in papers and appeared
in print on television news.

Kathy

[George Patterson]

Kathy wrote:
>
> What surprised us was that their names were published in papers and appeared
> in print on television news.

Why? It's been common practice to report the names of adults arrested in the
U.S. for at least as long as I've been alive.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

[W P Dixon]

Yep,
It is public information.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

[John Larson]

Why is it a handout? If the guy, be he or she, is injured on duty and their
contract states that disability is appropriate, why jump on them?

If one thinks it is a problem, put your slate of politicians into office and
change everything.


"kontiki" > wrote in message
...
> And that is just the tip of the iceberg. If only they could check the
> rest of the people (besides just pilots) collecting the handouts.
>
> Hilton wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>>
>>
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

John...

SS disability payments have nothing to do with on the job injury other than
that is one of MANY places where you can be disabled and it certainly has
nothing to with any contract you might or might not have with your employer.

SSI payments are part of the social safety net and just like welfare it is
very heavily abused.

"John Larson" <None ...> wrote in message
...
> Why is it a handout? If the guy, be he or she, is injured on duty and
> their contract states that disability is appropriate, why jump on them?
>
> If one thinks it is a problem, put your slate of politicians into office
> and change everything.
>
>
> "kontiki" > wrote in message
> ...
>> And that is just the tip of the iceberg. If only they could check the
>> rest of the people (besides just pilots) collecting the handouts.
>>
>> Hilton wrote:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[W P Dixon]

SSI payments are welfare , SSDI however is not. Disability comes from the
Social Security system just like your retirement does, in deed it is my
retirement. And yes the system is abused way to often. The money got taken
out of my paycheck every week from the time I was 14, so I don't think it is
a handout. I'd of much rather had the money back then though! ;)

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
news:SNuGe.369$_t.351@okepread01...
> John...
>
> SS disability payments have nothing to do with on the job injury other
> than that is one of MANY places where you can be disabled and it certainly
> has nothing to with any contract you might or might not have with your
> employer.
>
> SSI payments are part of the social safety net and just like welfare it is
> very heavily abused.
>
> "John Larson" <None ...> wrote in message
> ...
>> Why is it a handout? If the guy, be he or she, is injured on duty and
>> their contract states that disability is appropriate, why jump on them?
>>
>> If one thinks it is a problem, put your slate of politicians into office
>> and change everything.
>>
>>
>> "kontiki" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> And that is just the tip of the iceberg. If only they could check the
>>> rest of the people (besides just pilots) collecting the handouts.
>>>
>>> Hilton wrote:
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_us/pilots_disability_payments
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>