SoCal and aenemic airplanes

[xxx]

So I finished the instrument rating, which was indeed no fun at all and
am in the process of completing the move to LA. Already accomplished is
picking up low-altitude and sectional charts.

What I see is that for a lot of trips out of the LA area, the sort of
airplanes I normally rent can't get there from here. Minimum cruising
altitudes are often 12,000 or 13,000. Won't be doing that a lot on hot
days in a Skyhawk. Or cold days, for that matter.

What do y'all do about this? Follow roads VFR through the passes? Use
more powerful (more expensive) airplanes? Only fly up and down the
coast? Go surfing instead? Stay home?

I've gotten used to thinking of high altitude as anything over 3,000
ft.
All that bumpy terrain does seem to get in the way there.

[Yossarian]

I recently completed my instrument rating in SoCal and haven't had any
problem going places. I don't have a low alt chart in front of me,
where are you planning to go? The highest I've had to fly lately is
11,000 to get over the hills on the way to Palm Springs. There is most
likely a way to get where you want to go without going higher than
that. For example, there are some high MEAs going over the Gorman Pass
north of Van Nuys but you can circumvent them if needed by going
further up the coast to the Santa Barbara area then cutting inland.

xxx wrote:
> So I finished the instrument rating, which was indeed no fun at all and
> am in the process of completing the move to LA. Already accomplished is
> picking up low-altitude and sectional charts.
>
> What I see is that for a lot of trips out of the LA area, the sort of
> airplanes I normally rent can't get there from here. Minimum cruising
> altitudes are often 12,000 or 13,000. Won't be doing that a lot on hot
> days in a Skyhawk. Or cold days, for that matter.
>
> What do y'all do about this? Follow roads VFR through the passes? Use
> more powerful (more expensive) airplanes? Only fly up and down the
> coast? Go surfing instead? Stay home?
>
> I've gotten used to thinking of high altitude as anything over 3,000
> ft.
> All that bumpy terrain does seem to get in the way there.

[Doug Semler]

xxx wrote:

> What I see is that for a lot of trips out of the LA area, the sort of
> airplanes I normally rent can't get there from here. Minimum cruising
> altitudes are often 12,000 or 13,000. Won't be doing that a lot on hot
> days in a Skyhawk. Or cold days, for that matter.

Hot days? Cold days? Southern California???

Whatchutalkinbout Willis? <g> Remember, when it's hot, it is 99.99%
due to Santa Ana winds off the desert, and therefore a "Dry" heat. As
for cold...you'd be hard pressed to find many "days" that hit below 50
in the winter (with nights below 45)...

You need to define what you mean by hot and cold :) I never TRUELY
knew what "hot" and "cold" was until i moved out of SoCal.

[Erik Nyhus]

I've been flying in Los Angeles for a while and I've never had to go up
to 12,000 or 13,000. There are routes in every direction that allow you
to fly much lower. When going to Santa Barbara I just go along the
coast. When I go to Bakersfield (or that general direction) I follow
the 5 freeway through the mountains. When going to Palm Springs I go
through the Banning Pass. When going south I go along the coast. Flying
in SoCal isn't as hard as it looks.

[froggi]

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[froggi]

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the size of your bank account and fill your pockets with cash. Now I
know your sitting there thinking "yeah, right, then why isn't everyone
doing it." Well, with a quick search of the web you will find that
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simple, with just a few steps I will show you how. You will need to
have a bank account, a Paypal account (witch you can get free), a
little free time, very little, and an email address. All these thing
are very easy to get and trust me it's worth it. So lets get started.

Step 1: Copy this letter. It's easy just right click and select copy
and save. You will be making some changes to it to for your needs.

Step 2: Get a Paypal account. Paypal has free personal accounts witch
is Ok to start with but once you start getting money you will want to
upgrade your account to one of their premier accounts. They have a
limit on how much money they will handle on personal accounts. And
believe me you will make more money than your personal account can
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a paypal account. You also need your bank account to add to your paypal
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top email address and move all the other ones up one space 2 becomes 1
and so on. Next put your email address at the bottom. Starting to get
the idea. your email address is how people pay you through paypal.

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up. These are web sites that let you post your ideas and opinions, and
things like that. begin to post your letter on as many of these sites
as you can. 200 or 300 hundred should be good for now. I know your
thinking "What!, you mean I have to type this letter 200 or 300
times?!?" No all you have to do is pull up your letter that you changed
and drag over it, right click, then paste it and on to the next
newsgroup.

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get about 10 to 15 responds to your original post witch means about 10
to 15 dollars, the next week it will be much more as people post your
letter and people post that letter and so on. I heard tell of a
teenager that built a bank account up to $700,000 without his parents
even knowing!!

Send $1.00 to each of the paypal accounts below with a note saying "add
me to your mailing list.":

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2.
3.
4.
5.
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That's all there is to it!!! So if your looking for a way to be
independently wealthy then you need to try this. I mean look at it like
this all you got to lose is six bucks and a little time. If you do this
I promise you will at least make back your six bucks and then some.
email me and let me know how you do. Good luck and have fun!!!

[froggi]

Hello, I would like to share with you a little secret for increasing
the size of your bank account and fill your pockets with cash. Now I
know your sitting there thinking "yeah, right, then why isn't everyone
doing it." Well, with a quick search of the web you will find that
thousands of people are and make lots of money doing it. It's fast and
simple, with just a few steps I will show you how. You will need to
have a bank account, a Paypal account (witch you can get free), a
little free time, very little, and an email address. All these thing
are very easy to get and trust me it's worth it. So lets get started.

Step 1: Copy this letter. It's easy just right click and select copy
and save. You will be making some changes to it to for your needs.

Step 2: Get a Paypal account. Paypal has free personal accounts witch
is Ok to start with but once you start getting money you will want to
upgrade your account to one of their premier accounts. They have a
limit on how much money they will handle on personal accounts. And
believe me you will make more money than your personal account can
handle. This is where you need that email address. It's required to et
a paypal account. You also need your bank account to add to your paypal
account. It's very easy to do, Paypal walks you through all of it.

Step 3: Next send the six paypal accounts below $1.00 long with a note
saying "please add me to your mailing list." ( as to say a service has
been rendered and covering you legally).

Step 4: Now pull up the letter you copied and saved. First remove the
top email address and move all the other ones up one space 2 becomes 1
and so on. Next put your email address at the bottom. Starting to get
the idea. your email address is how people pay you through paypal.

Step 5: Now do a search for "Newsgroups"; a few thousand should show
up. These are web sites that let you post your ideas and opinions, and
things like that. begin to post your letter on as many of these sites
as you can. 200 or 300 hundred should be good for now. I know your
thinking "What!, you mean I have to type this letter 200 or 300
times?!?" No all you have to do is pull up your letter that you changed
and drag over it, right click, then paste it and on to the next
newsgroup.

Step 6: Sit back and watch the money come in!!! The first week you will
get about 10 to 15 responds to your original post witch means about 10
to 15 dollars, the next week it will be much more as people post your
letter and people post that letter and so on. I heard tell of a
teenager that built a bank account up to $700,000 without his parents
even knowing!!

Send $1.00 to each of the paypal accounts below with a note saying "add
me to your mailing list.":

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

That's all there is to it!!! So if your looking for a way to be
independently wealthy then you need to try this. I mean look at it like
this all you got to lose is six bucks and a little time. If you do this
I promise you will at least make back your six bucks and then some.
email me and let me know how you do. Good luck and have fun!!!

[froggi]

Hello, I would like to share with you a little secret for increasing
the size of your bank account and fill your pockets with cash. Now I
know your sitting there thinking "yeah, right, then why isn't everyone
doing it." Well, with a quick search of the web you will find that
thousands of people are and make lots of money doing it. It's fast and
simple, with just a few steps I will show you how. You will need to
have a bank account, a Paypal account (witch you can get free), a
little free time, very little, and an email address. All these thing
are very easy to get and trust me it's worth it. So lets get started.

Step 1: Copy this letter. It's easy just right click and select copy
and save. You will be making some changes to it to for your needs.

Step 2: Get a Paypal account. Paypal has free personal accounts witch
is Ok to start with but once you start getting money you will want to
upgrade your account to one of their premier accounts. They have a
limit on how much money they will handle on personal accounts. And
believe me you will make more money than your personal account can
handle. This is where you need that email address. It's required to et
a paypal account. You also need your bank account to add to your paypal
account. It's very easy to do, Paypal walks you through all of it.

Step 3: Next send the six paypal accounts below $1.00 long with a note
saying "please add me to your mailing list." ( as to say a service has
been rendered and covering you legally).

Step 4: Now pull up the letter you copied and saved. First remove the
top email address and move all the other ones up one space 2 becomes 1
and so on. Next put your email address at the bottom. Starting to get
the idea. your email address is how people pay you through paypal.

Step 5: Now do a search for "Newsgroups"; a few thousand should show
up. These are web sites that let you post your ideas and opinions, and
things like that. begin to post your letter on as many of these sites
as you can. 200 or 300 hundred should be good for now. I know your
thinking "What!, you mean I have to type this letter 200 or 300
times?!?" No all you have to do is pull up your letter that you changed
and drag over it, right click, then paste it and on to the next
newsgroup.

Step 6: Sit back and watch the money come in!!! The first week you will
get about 10 to 15 responds to your original post witch means about 10
to 15 dollars, the next week it will be much more as people post your
letter and people post that letter and so on. I heard tell of a
teenager that built a bank account up to $700,000 without his parents
even knowing!!

Send $1.00 to each of the paypal accounts below with a note saying "add
me to your mailing list.":

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

That's all there is to it!!! So if your looking for a way to be
independently wealthy then you need to try this. I mean look at it like
this all you got to lose is six bucks and a little time. If you do this
I promise you will at least make back your six bucks and then some.
email me and let me know how you do. Good luck and have fun!!!

[Bob Fry]

A friend with an Ercoupe regularly flies around, into, and out of the
SoCal basin. He doesn't need to get to 13K feet....I think he files
IFR then cancels when he's above the stratus.