OSH '05

[Jay Honeck]

We just got back from 7 glorious days spent camped next to Atlas, at the
largest fly-in convention/air show in the world, held annually in Oshkosh,
WI.

I will have a more complete report after downloading/uploading the photos
and some unpacking, but I just have to take a few moments to express our
gratitude to Jim and Tami Burns, who spent an unbelievable amount of time
and effort on the rec.aviation party at our campsite Wednesday night.

Between the fantastic home-made potato salad(s), fresh green bean salad, and
many hours of preparation and hauling, those two really made the party an
EVENT.

Montblack, as always, performed super-human feats by schmoozing his way past
EVERY security road-block on the field, and by providing all of the meat,
grills, chairs, etc.

Despite a few moments of uncertainty, when it looked like he might offer a
free beer to EVERYONE in the North 40, or when we thought the "Gate Nazis"
might prevent him from returning with more food (or the PMC -- Pimp My
Cooler, AKA: "The Casket" -- which was always packed with splendid examples
of beer), he always came through in the pinch!

And, of course, thanks must also go to Ryan Wubben, who -- as co-chair for
flight-line ops -- managed to save Montblack from the "Gate Nazis" a couple
of times! Without his efforts, it is doubtful whether we would have been
able to get the grills, etc., out onto the field -- even with Montblack
doing the schmoozing!

And, of course, Mary and I must thank all of you who came to the party(s),
or stopped by our campsite. It's amazing -- just a few years ago, Oshkosh
was a largely private affair for us, where we might meet a few people we
knew throughout the week. Most of our time there was spent quietly, just
the (first two, then three, now) four of us, as we gaped and gawked at
aviation's finest.

Now, it's a party every night! Thanks to our hotel banner, which clearly
marked our territory to all who passed, we had a steady stream of visitors
and well-wishers throughout the week, all either bringing (or taking) a
beer!

Man, I tell you what -- I *had* to come home, just to get some rest! :-)

Anyway, more later -- I've got a few hundred photos to go through, and about
200 emails to answer...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dudley Henriques]

Welcome back home. I'm glad to learn everyone had a good time and a safe
week for all.
Dudley Henriques

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QYaHe.203202$_o.178925@attbi_s71...
> We just got back from 7 glorious days spent camped next to Atlas, at the
> largest fly-in convention/air show in the world, held annually in Oshkosh,
> WI.
>
> I will have a more complete report after downloading/uploading the photos
> and some unpacking, but I just have to take a few moments to express our
> gratitude to Jim and Tami Burns, who spent an unbelievable amount of time
> and effort on the rec.aviation party at our campsite Wednesday night.
>
> Between the fantastic home-made potato salad(s), fresh green bean salad,
> and many hours of preparation and hauling, those two really made the party
> an EVENT.
>
> Montblack, as always, performed super-human feats by schmoozing his way
> past EVERY security road-block on the field, and by providing all of the
> meat, grills, chairs, etc.
>
> Despite a few moments of uncertainty, when it looked like he might offer a
> free beer to EVERYONE in the North 40, or when we thought the "Gate Nazis"
> might prevent him from returning with more food (or the PMC -- Pimp My
> Cooler, AKA: "The Casket" -- which was always packed with splendid
> examples of beer), he always came through in the pinch!
>
> And, of course, thanks must also go to Ryan Wubben, who -- as co-chair for
> flight-line ops -- managed to save Montblack from the "Gate Nazis" a
> couple of times! Without his efforts, it is doubtful whether we would
> have been able to get the grills, etc., out onto the field -- even with
> Montblack doing the schmoozing!
>
> And, of course, Mary and I must thank all of you who came to the party(s),
> or stopped by our campsite. It's amazing -- just a few years ago, Oshkosh
> was a largely private affair for us, where we might meet a few people we
> knew throughout the week. Most of our time there was spent quietly, just
> the (first two, then three, now) four of us, as we gaped and gawked at
> aviation's finest.
>
> Now, it's a party every night! Thanks to our hotel banner, which clearly
> marked our territory to all who passed, we had a steady stream of visitors
> and well-wishers throughout the week, all either bringing (or taking) a
> beer!
>
> Man, I tell you what -- I *had* to come home, just to get some rest! :-)
>
> Anyway, more later -- I've got a few hundred photos to go through, and
> about 200 emails to answer...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[John T]

So, did Joe actually go through all that soda? :)

John

[Jay Beckman]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QYaHe.203202$_o.178925@attbi_s71...
> We just got back from 7 glorious days spent camped next to Atlas, at the
> largest fly-in convention/air show in the world, held annually in Oshkosh,
> WI.
>

Jay Central,

Looking forward to reading the after action report.

Glad all are home safe and sound.

Jay West
Chandler, AZ

[Andrew Sarangan]

Jay

Sorry I missed you. I was there only Sat & Sun. Camped at Scholler. Didn't
really have time to look you up. Glad you guys had a good time.

[Montblack]

("John T" wrote)
> So, did Joe actually go through all that soda? :)


He inhaled a number of icy (pre-frozen) PowerAids I brought over in the
PimpMyCooler (PMC) ...something about he likes PowerAid and it was 95F that
first Sunday afternoon :-)

He did miss out on one pop (hehehe) - a frosty 20oz diet A&W Cream Soda he
was eying on Friday morning (last cold pop) ...but I got to it first. <g>


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Despite a few moments of uncertainty, when it looked like he might offer a
> free beer to EVERYONE in the North 40,


I offered a beer to one guy, and all of a sudden a hundred skinny CFI's hop
out of this clown car/plane/tent and head over for their free beer too. Who
knew?

I did wrangle Jay up a cold beer (Miller MGD) for the Saturday evening
departures, but it was in a can - plus, he had already resigned himself to
drinking Sprite.

Head out for a quickie beer run or sit and watch planes depart. Oddly
enough, planes departing won out. <g>


Montblack

[Bob Chilcoat]

Well, Jay, I sure wish that you'd given out a cell phone number. Brothers
Ed, Dave and I walked (actually, Dave drove his electric wheelchair) over
from the other side of Aeroshell Square to come to the party. We had your
tail number, but the North Forty locator shed was closed. We asked around
to see if anyone knew how we might find you but no one could help. We
couldn't really walk/drive all the way down the line looking for you, what
with Dave's chair, so I tried all the frequencies we had discussed but
nobody was home. If I'd had your cell phone we might have been able to find
you, but we had to just go back to Camp Scholler and fix some dinner. Sorry
we missed it. It's a shame that the handicapped camping section in Camp
Scholler is so far from everything.

OTOH, we had a ball at OSH! For three admitted aviation freaks, it was
almost too much. We left late Wed night, after dinner, but even with only
three days, we all (including Dave) had a great time. I'll certainly try to
go again. Dave, sadly, is unlikely to still be with us by next year, but if
Ed and I can find someone else to go with, we'll try and be there.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QYaHe.203202$_o.178925@attbi_s71...
> We just got back from 7 glorious days spent camped next to Atlas, at the
> largest fly-in convention/air show in the world, held annually in Oshkosh,
> WI.
>
> I will have a more complete report after downloading/uploading the photos
> and some unpacking, but I just have to take a few moments to express our
> gratitude to Jim and Tami Burns, who spent an unbelievable amount of time
> and effort on the rec.aviation party at our campsite Wednesday night.
>
> Between the fantastic home-made potato salad(s), fresh green bean salad,
> and many hours of preparation and hauling, those two really made the party
> an EVENT.
>
> Montblack, as always, performed super-human feats by schmoozing his way
> past EVERY security road-block on the field, and by providing all of the
> meat, grills, chairs, etc.
>
> Despite a few moments of uncertainty, when it looked like he might offer a
> free beer to EVERYONE in the North 40, or when we thought the "Gate Nazis"
> might prevent him from returning with more food (or the PMC -- Pimp My
> Cooler, AKA: "The Casket" -- which was always packed with splendid
> examples of beer), he always came through in the pinch!
>
> And, of course, thanks must also go to Ryan Wubben, who -- as co-chair for
> flight-line ops -- managed to save Montblack from the "Gate Nazis" a
> couple of times! Without his efforts, it is doubtful whether we would
> have been able to get the grills, etc., out onto the field -- even with
> Montblack doing the schmoozing!
>
> And, of course, Mary and I must thank all of you who came to the party(s),
> or stopped by our campsite. It's amazing -- just a few years ago, Oshkosh
> was a largely private affair for us, where we might meet a few people we
> knew throughout the week. Most of our time there was spent quietly, just
> the (first two, then three, now) four of us, as we gaped and gawked at
> aviation's finest.
>
> Now, it's a party every night! Thanks to our hotel banner, which clearly
> marked our territory to all who passed, we had a steady stream of visitors
> and well-wishers throughout the week, all either bringing (or taking) a
> beer!
>
> Man, I tell you what -- I *had* to come home, just to get some rest! :-)
>
> Anyway, more later -- I've got a few hundred photos to go through, and
> about 200 emails to answer...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Montblack]

("Bob Chilcoat" wrote)
[snip]
> Sorry we missed it. It's a shame that the handicapped camping section in
> Camp Scholler is so far from everything.
>
> OTOH, we had a ball at OSH! For three admitted aviation freaks, it was
> almost too much. We left late Wed night, after dinner, but even with only
> three days, we all (including Dave) had a great time. I'll certainly try
> to go again. Dave, sadly, is unlikely to still be with us by next year,
> but if Ed and I can find someone else to go with, we'll try and be there.


We were *really* looking forward to you three stopping by. Party was down
the road (to the west), just past the red shower building - big banner (and
all of us) were in the first campsite - next to the road the buses use.

It was good seeing everyone, though more time to chit-chat would have been
nice :-)

I thought this was the best OSH of the three I've attended. Might have
something to do with staying the whole week <g>.

Oh, did you see they had a handicap plane/camping section by the N40 main
entrance? It was a roped off area with it's own (handicap accessible)
port-a-potty.

Man I wish it had worked out this year, but thank you for the effort on your
end anyway!!!

BTW, I suspect your brother will be with you every time you visit OSH in the
future.


Montblack

[Jim Burns]

Plan for next year.... Jay could call me or another group member on Sunday
when he gets his camping spot, and we can post the spot number and
directions for the other group members that arrive Monday, Tuesday, and
Wednesday.

Many people had suggested to get to the North 40 Info building because it
would close prior to the airshow ending, but I also heard many people
complain that the building was very crouded also and people were simply
unable or unwilling to wait.

Jim Burns


> We were *really* looking forward to you three stopping by. Party was down
> the road (to the west), just past the red shower building - big banner
(and
> all of us) were in the first campsite - next to the road the buses use.
>
> It was good seeing everyone, though more time to chit-chat would have been
> nice :-)
>

[Andrew Sarangan]

There is free internet access at the EAA Member Village. I was not
really planning on doing any email at OSH, but it was right there at
Aeroshell square and there was no lineups.




"Jim Burns" > wrote in
:

> Plan for next year.... Jay could call me or another group member on
> Sunday when he gets his camping spot, and we can post the spot number
> and directions for the other group members that arrive Monday,
> Tuesday, and Wednesday.
>
> Many people had suggested to get to the North 40 Info building because
> it would close prior to the airshow ending, but I also heard many
> people complain that the building was very crouded also and people
> were simply unable or unwilling to wait.
>
> Jim Burns
>
>
>> We were *really* looking forward to you three stopping by. Party was
>> down the road (to the west), just past the red shower building - big
>> banner
> (and
>> all of us) were in the first campsite - next to the road the buses
>> use.
>>
>> It was good seeing everyone, though more time to chit-chat would have
>> been nice :-)
>>
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

Jay,

Darn it, missed you. I looked for your campsite Tuesday evening and
missed it. Then again, I still wasn't exactly touching the ground
effectively after a weekend of flying seaplanes and taking dual in a
P-51.

Glad to hear the party was continuous and went very, very well.

Warmest regards,
Rick

[Jay Honeck]

> Well, Jay, I sure wish that you'd given out a cell phone number. Brothers
> Ed, Dave and I walked (actually, Dave drove his electric wheelchair) over
> from the other side of Aeroshell Square to come to the party.

Augh! Man, that sucks. Sorry, Bob.

I was only able to leave my cell phone on in dribs and drabs, cuz the
battery wouldn't last the week. (Although, in one of the strangest things
ever, I *did* receive a phone call from Jer/ Eberhard, while I was sitting
at Rwy 27, watching departures. Incredibly, Jer/ was sitting two chairs
down from me when he called -- it's a small world!)

We were lucky enough to have the most visible campsite ever, this year,
facing south on the inner loop road, right along the fence line. This site
(and our banner) was visible not only from the North 40, but also from the
exit road heading west from the Warbird area parking. With our banner
flying high each day, we had literally dozens (hundreds?) of people stop,
wave, beep, and/or share a beer with us.

It never dawned on me that we couldn't be found, dang it. Heck, we had
people waiting for us to get up, some mornings, just so they could say "hi"!

I wish it had worked out. I've got a slew of pictures from both the pool
party and the campsite party to post, as soon as I get caught up at the
office...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Plan for next year.... Jay could call me or another group member on Sunday
> when he gets his camping spot, and we can post the spot number and
> directions for the other group members that arrive Monday, Tuesday, and
> Wednesday.

EXCELLENT idea.

Let's see, after last year, we learned to have "Iowa City" added to our
banner, so 300 people wouldn't stop to ask "Where are you?" throughout the
show. (Luckily, Montblack reminded me to do that, so we've got *that*
covered now...)

This year, we learned that 3/8 inch plywood is too thin for parking
airplanes on, motorized scooters are dangerous when they travel in herds,
and we learned that we should post the location of our campsite on the group
during the week.

I've gotta keep notes. Only 51 weeks till OSH '06!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns]

Hey Rick,
I stopped by the Avweb booth Wednesday morning to invite you to the party,
but it was "manned" by only pretty young girls, sooo... nope, my wife
wouldn't let me invite them... but I did tell Jay that you had a 235 so I
think that next year he'll drag you even kicking and screaming so you can
compare notes and features to Atlas.

Jim Burns

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jay,
>
> Darn it, missed you. I looked for your campsite Tuesday evening and
> missed it. Then again, I still wasn't exactly touching the ground
> effectively after a weekend of flying seaplanes and taking dual in a
> P-51.
>
> Glad to hear the party was continuous and went very, very well.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Rick
>

[Morgans]

"Bob Chilcoat" > wrote

> Well, Jay, I sure wish that you'd given out a cell phone number. Brothers
> Ed, Dave and I walked (actually, Dave drove his electric wheelchair) over
> from the other side of Aeroshell Square to come to the party. We had your
> tail number, but the North Forty locator shed was closed. We asked around
> to see if anyone knew how we might find you but no one could help.

Betcha you didn't look on the side of the garbage can next to the north
shack. I left a coded message for RAH scum, thinking the side of a garbage
can would be the first place scum looks to find a home!

Actually, they wouldn't let me put it on the building, itself. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> This year, we learned that 3/8 inch plywood is too thin for parking
> airplanes on, motorized scooters are dangerous when they travel in herds,
> and we learned that we should post the location of our campsite on the group
> during the week.

Hey, don't blame me!!!
I posted 1".

It was that know-it-all Weir who said that was too thick. :-))
He suckered all of us into bringing 3/8" wood.
Makes you wonder why none of us could find the BlueOnBlue 182 to check
what his airplane was sitting on?

[Bob Chilcoat]

No, I never even thought that some secret message might have been left.
Actually, since we were leaving later that evening, we wouldn't have been
able to stay very long, or drink much beer. However, it would have been
nice (best adjective?) to have met some of you folks face to face. ...And
not have have had to cook, which was the main reason we wanted to find the
party. The Chilcoat boys have never been shy about eating someone else's
grub (see photo at http://www.geocities.net/viewptmd/3BrotherswP40.jpg ;-)

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bob Chilcoat" > wrote
>
>> Well, Jay, I sure wish that you'd given out a cell phone number.
>> Brothers
>> Ed, Dave and I walked (actually, Dave drove his electric wheelchair) over
>> from the other side of Aeroshell Square to come to the party. We had
>> your
>> tail number, but the North Forty locator shed was closed. We asked
>> around
>> to see if anyone knew how we might find you but no one could help.
>
> Betcha you didn't look on the side of the garbage can next to the north
> shack. I left a coded message for RAH scum, thinking the side of a
> garbage
> can would be the first place scum looks to find a home!
>
> Actually, they wouldn't let me put it on the building, itself. <g>
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Jim Burns]

Hey... you forgot the gate pass so we don't have to deal with the gate Nazi!
:)
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:K6BHe.232040$xm3.104496@attbi_s21...
> > Plan for next year.... Jay could call me or another group member on
Sunday
> > when he gets his camping spot, and we can post the spot number and
> > directions for the other group members that arrive Monday, Tuesday, and
> > Wednesday.
>
> EXCELLENT idea.
>
> Let's see, after last year, we learned to have "Iowa City" added to our
> banner, so 300 people wouldn't stop to ask "Where are you?" throughout the
> show. (Luckily, Montblack reminded me to do that, so we've got *that*
> covered now...)
>
> This year, we learned that 3/8 inch plywood is too thin for parking
> airplanes on, motorized scooters are dangerous when they travel in herds,
> and we learned that we should post the location of our campsite on the
group
> during the week.
>
> I've gotta keep notes. Only 51 weeks till OSH '06!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

>> This year, we learned that 3/8 inch plywood is too thin for parking
>> airplanes on, motorized scooters are dangerous when they travel in herds,
>> and we learned that we should post the location of our campsite on the
>> group during the week.
>
> Hey, don't blame me!!!
> I posted 1".
>
> It was that know-it-all Weir who said that was too thick. :-))
> He suckered all of us into bringing 3/8" wood.

Actually, I forgot to bring ANY wood. Montblack kindly brought some 3/4"
plywood for me, which I had NO room to pack at the end... They worked
great!

It was Jack Allison that discovered (when we pulled his plane onto the pads,
and heard loud cracking sounds) that 3/8" was too thin...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Hey... you forgot the gate pass so we don't have to deal with the gate
> Nazi!
> :)

I think that'll be Ryan's job... Heck, maybe he can even get us a REAL one?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns]

Remind me to find an orange rotating beacon for my Tahoe and to buy a couple
pair of cheap FBI look alike sunglasses.

Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t4KHe.213032$_o.117494@attbi_s71...
> > Hey... you forgot the gate pass so we don't have to deal with the gate
> > Nazi!
> > :)
>
> I think that'll be Ryan's job... Heck, maybe he can even get us a REAL
one?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[RST Engineering]

A good engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
condition.

A GREAT engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
condition -- just barely.

The point being ... anybody can toss out a number that is so overdesigned
and so heavy that it will stand up. The proof of the pudding is in the
field testing. Yes, I used 3/8" ply and yes, it has a permanent bow to it
now but it did NOT break. After a week's thunderstorms, wind, heat, and
moisture, it came home just fine, thank you.

I'm sorry Jack's plywood cracked. I have no idea what an empty Arrow
weighs. I know what an empty 182 weighs and did my calculations based on
that number. YMMV.

Will I use 3/8" next year? Probably not. I'll up it to 1/2" and see if I
still get a bow. If so, I'll up it to 3/4".

The BlueOnBlue 182 was parked where it has been parked for the last 15
years...down in the classic parking, row 132 (North FondDuLac). Several
people saw it and commented that it was a hell of an idea. The idea just
needs refinement, that's all.


Jim



"john smith" > wrote in message
.. .
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> This year, we learned that 3/8 inch plywood is too thin for parking
>> airplanes on, motorized scooters are dangerous when they travel in herds,
>> and we learned that we should post the location of our campsite on the
>> group during the week.
>
> Hey, don't blame me!!!
> I posted 1".
>
> It was that know-it-all Weir who said that was too thick. :-))
> He suckered all of us into bringing 3/8" wood.
> Makes you wonder why none of us could find the BlueOnBlue 182 to check
> what his airplane was sitting on?

[john smith]

RST Engineering wrote:
> A good engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
> condition.

> A GREAT engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
> condition -- just barely.

I knew there were some whitizisms I was forgetting. :-))

[Montblack]

("RST Engineering" wrote)
[snip]
>A good engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
>condition.
>
> A GREAT engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
> condition -- just barely.


Sunday morning at 1 am (before my 6 am drive over to OSH last week) I
spotted Dad's old wheelchair ramp end piece - ramp was disassembled for the
house sale. Green treated 3/4 inch ply, 3' x 2' ...with a ramp lip. Hmm I
thought.

So I fired up the circular saw ...when I should have been sleeping. I cut
three 1-ft wide pieces x 24" deep. Then I thought, hmm? I recall reading
1-ft x 1-ft, so I cut them in half . Mistake.

18" length would be a minimum.

A small strip, or small chock block, would also be good. We kept pushing the
dang plane off the front end of the small 1' x 1' pad. Doh! :-)


Montblack

[john smith]

Montblack wrote:
> Sunday morning at 1 am (before my 6 am drive over to OSH last week) I
> spotted Dad's old wheelchair ramp end piece - ramp was disassembled for
> the house sale. Green treated 3/4 inch ply, 3' x 2' ...with a ramp lip.
> Hmm I thought.
> So I fired up the circular saw ...when I should have been sleeping. I
> cut three 1-ft wide pieces x 24" deep. Then I thought, hmm? I recall
> reading 1-ft x 1-ft, so I cut them in half . Mistake.
> 18" length would be a minimum.
> A small strip, or small chock block, would also be good. We kept pushing
> the dang plane off the front end of the small 1' x 1' pad. Doh! :-)

So Paul, how many sets will you be bringing to sell next year? :-))

[Bob Chilcoat]

Oops, pic url is http://www.geocities.com/viewptmd/3BrotherswP40.jpg not
that anyone would want to see it...

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Bob Chilcoat" > wrote in message
...
> No, I never even thought that some secret message might have been left.
> Actually, since we were leaving later that evening, we wouldn't have been
> able to stay very long, or drink much beer. However, it would have been
> nice (best adjective?) to have met some of you folks face to face. ...And
> not have have had to cook, which was the main reason we wanted to find the
> party. The Chilcoat boys have never been shy about eating someone else's
> grub (see photo at http://www.geocities.net/viewptmd/3BrotherswP40.jpg
> ;-)
>
> --
> Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)
>
>
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Bob Chilcoat" > wrote
>>
>>> Well, Jay, I sure wish that you'd given out a cell phone number.
>>> Brothers
>>> Ed, Dave and I walked (actually, Dave drove his electric wheelchair)
>>> over
>>> from the other side of Aeroshell Square to come to the party. We had
>>> your
>>> tail number, but the North Forty locator shed was closed. We asked
>>> around
>>> to see if anyone knew how we might find you but no one could help.
>>
>> Betcha you didn't look on the side of the garbage can next to the north
>> shack. I left a coded message for RAH scum, thinking the side of a
>> garbage
>> can would be the first place scum looks to find a home!
>>
>> Actually, they wouldn't let me put it on the building, itself. <g>
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>>
>
>

[jsbougher]

We got there and building was closed. Decided to jump on the bus and
just look for the banner. As bus pulled out of the circle, there it
was on the side of the garbage can ... RAH. Jumped off at first stop,
walked back, read location, waited for bus, got back on, short ride and
BAM there it was at the end of the row. Couldn't miss it. Thanks for
the note ... warm fuzzy that we wouldn't be riding around the camp all
night looking for a banner we'd never seen before.
Jeff

Morgans wrote:
> "Bob Chilcoat" > wrote
>
> > Well, Jay, I sure wish that you'd given out a cell phone number. Brothers
> > Ed, Dave and I walked (actually, Dave drove his electric wheelchair) over
> > from the other side of Aeroshell Square to come to the party. We had your
> > tail number, but the North Forty locator shed was closed. We asked around
> > to see if anyone knew how we might find you but no one could help.
>
> Betcha you didn't look on the side of the garbage can next to the north
> shack. I left a coded message for RAH scum, thinking the side of a garbage
> can would be the first place scum looks to find a home!
>
> Actually, they wouldn't let me put it on the building, itself. <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

[Matt Whiting]

RST Engineering wrote:

> A good engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
> condition.
>
> A GREAT engineer can build a bridge that won't collapse under any known
> condition -- just barely.
>
> Will I use 3/8" next year? Probably not. I'll up it to 1/2" and see if I
> still get a bow. If so, I'll up it to 3/4".

Just use the other side every other year! That is what CREATIVE
engineers do... :-)

Matt

[RST Engineering]

Does the term "bending fatigue" strike a familiar note?

Jim



"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...

>> Will I use 3/8" next year? Probably not. I'll up it to 1/2" and see if
>> I still get a bow. If so, I'll up it to 3/4".
>
> Just use the other side every other year! That is what CREATIVE engineers
> do... :-)
>
> Matt

[Matt Whiting]

RST Engineering wrote:
> Does the term "bending fatigue" strike a familiar note?

Yes, but wood is fairly fatique resistant... Stressing it to the point
of failure, however, doesn't constitute fatigue. :-)


Matt

[Morgans]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> Does the term "bending fatigue" strike a familiar note?
>
OOhhhh, you're baaad!

I also wonder if the people that had problems with the 3/8", had the grain
going across the wheel, or with the wheel. It would make a -big-
difference!
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"jsbougher" > wrote

> As bus pulled out of the circle, there it
> was on the side of the garbage can ... RAH. Jumped off at first stop,
> walked back, read location, waited for bus, got back on, short ride and
> BAM there it was at the end of the row. Couldn't miss it. Thanks for
> the note ... warm fuzzy that we wouldn't be riding around the camp all
> night looking for a banner we'd never seen before.

Glad you saw it! I wondered if anyone saw it! Thanks for letting me know
you saw it. Anyone else see it?
--
Jim in NC

[Chris Colohan]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> Now, it's a party every night! Thanks to our hotel banner, which clearly
> marked our territory to all who passed, we had a steady stream of visitors
> and well-wishers throughout the week, all either bringing (or taking) a
> beer!

Now this is funny. I flew to California on Sunday, and on my last leg
I sat next to a gentleman who had just spent the week at Oshkosh. He
was going on an on about how great the show was.

In particular, he emphasized how great the people were there. "Nobody
littered, everyone was super polite, and not a single person was
drinking at the entire event!" I was incredulous, and asked if
perhaps folks were just good at hiding it.... "If so, they were
_very_ good at hiding it, since I just spent a whole week there and
never saw a single sign of anyone with any alcohol anywhere."

I guess you and your friends are more devious than you think. :-)

Chris
--
Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

[Jay Honeck]

> In particular, he emphasized how great the people were there. "Nobody
> littered, everyone was super polite, and not a single person was
> drinking at the entire event!"

This is quite true. Oshkosh is the epitome of clean, and is absolutely the
single neatest event I've ever attended.

And there is no alcohol on the grounds -- period. You cannot buy a beer
anywhere.

But in the North 40? Where we *live* for a week? You bet there is beer
a'plenty. But no one abuses it, no one leaves a scrap of litter on the
field, and everyone is in bed by 11 PM -- mostly because, after walking for
10 hours, no one can stay awake any longer.

And it all starts anew the next morning, with the first departure of the
day. To awaken in my tent, next to my plane, to the sounds of radial
engines and the occasional Merlin -- God, how I love it.

And, God, how I miss it already...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Oops, pic url is http://www.geocities.com/viewptmd/3BrotherswP40.jpg not
> that anyone would want to see it...

So which one of those guys is you, Bob?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Stadt]

"Chris Colohan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
> > Now, it's a party every night! Thanks to our hotel banner, which
clearly
> > marked our territory to all who passed, we had a steady stream of
visitors
> > and well-wishers throughout the week, all either bringing (or taking) a
> > beer!
>
> Now this is funny. I flew to California on Sunday, and on my last leg
> I sat next to a gentleman who had just spent the week at Oshkosh. He
> was going on an on about how great the show was.
>
> In particular, he emphasized how great the people were there. "Nobody
> littered, everyone was super polite, and not a single person was
> drinking at the entire event!" I was incredulous, and asked if
> perhaps folks were just good at hiding it.... "If so, they were
> _very_ good at hiding it, since I just spent a whole week there and
> never saw a single sign of anyone with any alcohol anywhere."
>
> I guess you and your friends are more devious than you think. :-)
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
> Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

In case you all missed the news at OSH last week there were yodeler tryouts
and a replacement and a back-up were chosen so the tradition will continue.

[Jack Allison]

RST Engineering wrote:

> I'm sorry Jack's plywood cracked. I have no idea what an empty Arrow
> weighs.

Empty weight is 1616 lbs, probably had another 75 lbs worth of gear in
the plane as well as gas. Call it 1900 lbs for a round number. Plywood
was very old and really looked like 1/2 inch to me. Didn't measure it,
found it on the back side of the hanger (read: it was free). Left it at
Oshkosh (mainly because the plane was already packed when we rolled it
into the aisle prior to engine start). At any rate, the plywood was a
*great* idea. I think I need to put an order in with the MontBlack
manufacturing company. The guy is an artist when it comes to working
with pressure treated wood.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow shopping student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> And it all starts anew the next morning, with the first departure of the
> day. To awaken in my tent, next to my plane, to the sounds of radial
> engines and the occasional Merlin -- God, how I love it.

Yep, my alarm clock last Friday morning was a B-25 departing Rwy09 at
0630 followed immediately by a pair of P-51's departing Rwy27.

[Jim Burns]

"Jack Allison" wrote:
>
> I think I need to put an order in with the MontBlack
> manufacturing company. The guy is an artist when it comes to working
> with pressure treated wood.

ROFL!!! Jack, you've got to remember his motivation!!! COLD BEER!! :)

Jim

[john smith]

> "Jack Allison" wrote:
>>I think I need to put an order in with the MontBlack
>>manufacturing company. The guy is an artist when it comes to working
>>with pressure treated wood.

Jim Burns wrote:
> ROFL!!! Jack, you've got to remember his motivation!!! COLD BEER!! :)

I guess that means shipping him a case FedEx/UPS this winter.

[Tom McQuinn]

FWIW, there was a cop threatening to padlock the gate by Friar Tuck's
due to the dumbasses who were 'borrowing' shopping carts from the
grocery and dumping them by the gate (and their brethren who then used
them for trash receptacles). I'm not saying it would have stayed locked
but he was ****ed and he was dead serious. I tried to talk to him and
tell him that not all of us approve of such behavior but he was well
past the point of civil discussion. He brought up feelings I haven't
had since the 70s.

Tom

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>In particular, he emphasized how great the people were there. "Nobody
>>littered, everyone was super polite, and not a single person was
>>drinking at the entire event!"
>
>
> This is quite true. Oshkosh is the epitome of clean, and is absolutely the
> single neatest event I've ever attended.
>
> And there is no alcohol on the grounds -- period. You cannot buy a beer
> anywhere.
>
> But in the North 40? Where we *live* for a week? You bet there is beer
> a'plenty. But no one abuses it, no one leaves a scrap of litter on the
> field, and everyone is in bed by 11 PM -- mostly because, after walking for
> 10 hours, no one can stay awake any longer.
>
> And it all starts anew the next morning, with the first departure of the
> day. To awaken in my tent, next to my plane, to the sounds of radial
> engines and the occasional Merlin -- God, how I love it.
>
> And, God, how I miss it already...

[Dave Butler]

Morgans wrote:
> "jsbougher" > wrote
>
>
>>As bus pulled out of the circle, there it
>>was on the side of the garbage can ... RAH. Jumped off at first stop,
>>walked back, read location, waited for bus, got back on, short ride and
>>BAM there it was at the end of the row. Couldn't miss it. Thanks for
>>the note ... warm fuzzy that we wouldn't be riding around the camp all
>>night looking for a banner we'd never seen before.
>
>
> Glad you saw it! I wondered if anyone saw it! Thanks for letting me know
> you saw it. Anyone else see it?

Yep, I saw it... as I was claiming my refund on Thursday morning, after the
party. ;-)

Dave

[Margy]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>In particular, he emphasized how great the people were there. "Nobody
>>littered, everyone was super polite, and not a single person was
>>drinking at the entire event!"
>
>
> This is quite true. Oshkosh is the epitome of clean, and is absolutely the
> single neatest event I've ever attended.
>
> And there is no alcohol on the grounds -- period. You cannot buy a beer
> anywhere.

Well, the North 40 is still considered the grounds. Vintage is also the
grounds and I only drank 5 or 6 bottles of wine down there. Of course I
did run into someone I know by his exhibit in the main show area about
5:30 and he had a can wrapped in paper towel labeled "not a beer" and
cordially offered Ron and I a regular "not a beer" or a light "not a beer".

Margy


>
> But in the North 40? Where we *live* for a week? You bet there is beer
> a'plenty. But no one abuses it, no one leaves a scrap of litter on the
> field, and everyone is in bed by 11 PM -- mostly because, after walking for
> 10 hours, no one can stay awake any longer.
>
> And it all starts anew the next morning, with the first departure of the
> day. To awaken in my tent, next to my plane, to the sounds of radial
> engines and the occasional Merlin -- God, how I love it.
>
> And, God, how I miss it already...

[Jack Allison]

john smith wrote:

> I guess that means shipping him a case FedEx/UPS this winter.
Nah...just promise free beer when the goods are delivered. Gotta keep
him motivated since it is a whole year away.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jay Honeck]

> FWIW, there was a cop threatening to padlock the gate by Friar Tuck's due
> to the dumbasses who were 'borrowing' shopping carts from the grocery and
> dumping them by the gate (and their brethren who then used them for trash
> receptacles).

Whoa, there, pardner. The shopping cart merry go 'round is an old tradition
in the North 40, and it works very well, indeed.

Here's how it works:

1. North 40 camper hikes to Pick N Save, and loads up on beer, food, and
ice. There is no way for said camper to haul that much stuff back to his
campsite -- so he "borrows" a shopping cart for the trip back to the gate.

2. At the gate entrance, said camper leaves the cart for the next guy, who
is on his way to buy more ice and beer. He, in turn, takes the cart back
to Pick N Save, and fills it with ice, beer, and food.

3. Repeat as necessary.

This has worked for years, and pre-dates Pick N Save by a wide margin.
(Piggly Wiggly was the store of choice for many years.)

Tell the police officer to go bust another meth dealer. The Midwest is
full of them.

(Anyone using the carts for trash receptacles should be shot, of course.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom McQuinn]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>FWIW, there was a cop threatening to padlock the gate by Friar Tuck's due
>>to the dumbasses who were 'borrowing' shopping carts from the grocery and
>>dumping them by the gate (and their brethren who then used them for trash
>>receptacles).
>
>
> Whoa, there, pardner. The shopping cart merry go 'round is an old tradition
> in the North 40, and it works very well, indeed.
>
> Here's how it works:
>
> 1. North 40 camper hikes to Pick N Save, and loads up on beer, food, and
> ice. There is no way for said camper to haul that much stuff back to his
> campsite -- so he "borrows" a shopping cart for the trip back to the gate.
>
> 2. At the gate entrance, said camper leaves the cart for the next guy, who
> is on his way to buy more ice and beer. He, in turn, takes the cart back
> to Pick N Save, and fills it with ice, beer, and food.
>
> 3. Repeat as necessary.
>
> This has worked for years, and pre-dates Pick N Save by a wide margin.
> (Piggly Wiggly was the store of choice for many years.)
>
> Tell the police officer to go bust another meth dealer. The Midwest is
> full of them.
>
> (Anyone using the carts for trash receptacles should be shot, of course.)

I guess I missed that one. I was within spitting distance of the gate
and I never saw one cart being pushed back to Pick N Save. How do you
feel about the 'tradition' of stealing hotel towels and leaving your
room looking like a pig pen? I believe that tradition pre dates the air
show but I personally don't approve of it or practice it.

Now you're making me laugh. Maybe I should have told the cop that our
taxes pay his salary and maybe quoted something from the constitution.
That usually leaves them quaking in their boots! "Whoa Ralph, we're in
over our heads with this guy. He's talkin' constitution now. Let's go
bust a meth dealer." <g>

Seriously, I'm not here to start fights with the 'regulars', and you
seem like a decent type of guy. I was reporting what I saw at the gate
and I did go on to to inject my personal opinion with the 'dumbass'
remark. I doubt that Pick N Save feels that the 1 percent or so they net
entitles everyone to take their carts on an off road cross country trek,
but it's not my call. That gate was about to get locked and it would
have caused inconvenience to thousands of people and cost the local
merchants a lot of money.

Tom

[Jay Honeck]

> I guess I missed that one. I was within spitting distance of the gate and
> I never saw one cart being pushed back to Pick N Save. How do you feel
> about the 'tradition' of stealing hotel towels and leaving your room
> looking like a pig pen? I believe that tradition pre dates the air show
> but I personally don't approve of it or practice it.

You seem to be confusing convenience -- for the store AND the consumer --
with petty theft and vandalism.

Or are you saying that the shopping carts were loaded into planes, and
stolen?

> Seriously, I'm not here to start fights with the 'regulars', and you seem
> like a decent type of guy. I was reporting what I saw at the gate and I
> did go on to to inject my personal opinion with the 'dumbass' remark. I
> doubt that Pick N Save feels that the 1 percent or so they net entitles
> everyone to take their carts on an off road cross country trek, but it's
> not my call. That gate was about to get locked and it would have caused
> inconvenience to thousands of people and cost the local merchants a lot of
> money.

I understand your point, Tom, and frown on the practice everywhere EXCEPT
Oshkosh, where there is simply no alternative (since EAA closed the on-site
food store) to shopping at Pick N Save. As long as we pilots -- generally
an honorable group -- continue to work together to keep the cart
merry-go-round going (I.E.: Taking the carts BACK to the store as frequently
as we take them to the North 40), everything will be in balance, and no one
is harmed.

However, the moment it becomes a problem of too many carts stacked up in the
North 40, with no one willing to push them back, well, then the system will
have failed, and we all lose.

Including Pick N Save, by the way. If we can't carry what I buy on foot, we
will simply eat and drink more on the grounds.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Butler]

> Whoa, there, pardner. The shopping cart merry go 'round is an old tradition
> in the North 40, and it works very well, indeed.

I'm not familiar with the aforesaid merry-go-round, but there was a very
unsightly collection of grocery carts at the gate, one filled with trash. If I'd
been the owner of the adjacent property (Super 8?) I'd not have been happy with
what the convention-goers were doing on my property.

Of course (before someone else says it) Super 8 profits mightily from the
convention. The whole town of Oshkosh profits from the convention. I'm just in
favor of treading as lightly as possible on our hosts' living space.

There was no other trash receptacle anywhere nearby. There should be one by the
gate.

Dave

[john smith]

Dave Butler wrote:
> There was no other trash receptacle anywhere nearby. There should be one
> by the gate.

There was one a little ways to the west by the porta-potties

[Tom McQuinn]

I believe you are the guy who said he enjoys arguing on usenet. If I am
mistaken I apologize for continuing what I hope will be perceived as a
friendly difference of opinion.......

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>I guess I missed that one. I was within spitting distance of the gate and
>>I never saw one cart being pushed back to Pick N Save. How do you feel
>>about the 'tradition' of stealing hotel towels and leaving your room
>>looking like a pig pen? I believe that tradition pre dates the air show
>>but I personally don't approve of it or practice it.
>
>
> You seem to be confusing convenience -- for the store AND the consumer --
> with petty theft and vandalism.

Fair enough. You seem to be confusing personal convenience with
entitlement.

>
> Or are you saying that the shopping carts were loaded into planes, and
> stolen?
>

I remember once having an auditor at a corporate client tell me that
nearly 100% of the corporate embezzlement in this country is done by
people who intend for the money to be returned. But I never heard a
lawyer say that such an intention would make a very good legal defense.

>
>>Seriously, I'm not here to start fights with the 'regulars', and you seem
>>like a decent type of guy. I was reporting what I saw at the gate and I
>>did go on to to inject my personal opinion with the 'dumbass' remark. I
>>doubt that Pick N Save feels that the 1 percent or so they net entitles
>>everyone to take their carts on an off road cross country trek, but it's
>>not my call. That gate was about to get locked and it would have caused
>>inconvenience to thousands of people and cost the local merchants a lot of
>>money.
>
>
> I understand your point, Tom, and frown on the practice everywhere EXCEPT
> Oshkosh, where there is simply no alternative (since EAA closed the on-site
> food store) to shopping at Pick N Save. As long as we pilots -- generally
> an honorable group -- continue to work together to keep the cart
> merry-go-round going (I.E.: Taking the carts BACK to the store as frequently
> as we take them to the North 40), everything will be in balance, and no one
> is harmed.
>
> However, the moment it becomes a problem of too many carts stacked up in the
> North 40, with no one willing to push them back, well, then the system will
> have failed, and we all lose.
>
> Including Pick N Save, by the way. If we can't carry what I buy on foot, we
> will simply eat and drink more on the grounds.

Two final data points for amusement.....

In 2004 my two sons (then 6 and 10) and I were hauling way-too-big of a
load back from the Pic N Save on a really hot day. Ice, drinks, food,
and those plastic bags were feeling like they were going to cut through
my palms. A gorgeous young woman, who probably wouldn't give me the
time of day under normal circumstances, saw us and gave us a ride to the
gate in air conditioned comfort. She wasn't a pilot but she had kids
too and felt sorry for us! You could have knocked me over with a feather.

This year I went into Target and purchased one of those two wheeled,
folding luggage carriers. I brought back two big bags of ice, a case of
water, and several bags of food. It wasn't the easiest thing in the
world to drag through the grass but it could be done. And that's what
I'll be doing in the future. Again, just a data point. I'm not in
charge of telling the rest of the world what to do.

Tom

[Dave Butler]

john smith wrote:
> Dave Butler wrote:
>
>> There was no other trash receptacle anywhere nearby. There should be
>> one by the gate.
>
>
> There was one a little ways to the west by the porta-potties

....and another one a little ways to the east. Still I thought there should be
one by the gate. That's where all the traffic is.

[Blanche]

The trash I saw by the Friar Tuck's gate was
less due to OSH visitors but by the locals who'd bring a 6-pack, park in the
Super 8 or Friar Tuck lot and watch the air show while kicking back
in their lawn chairs.

I watched them (during one of my many treks to Target or the bank or
wherever) and noticed this. And I never saw the cop at the gate.
There's 3 gates over there, BTW.

[john smith]

>> Including Pick N Save, by the way. If we can't carry what I buy on
>> foot, we will simply eat and drink more on the grounds.

> Tom McQuinn wrote:
> This year I went into Target and purchased one of those two wheeled,
> folding luggage carriers. I brought back two big bags of ice, a case of
> water, and several bags of food. It wasn't the easiest thing in the
> world to drag through the grass but it could be done. And that's what
> I'll be doing in the future. Again, just a data point. I'm not in
> charge of telling the rest of the world what to do.

For the last four years, I have been camping by the Weeks Hangar.
To carry all my flight gear, I use three duffel bags, one each, small,
medium and large.
Once I have arrived at OSH, I take one of the duffle bags to to PicNSave
with me when I go shopping. The carrying handles server as shoulder
straps when the bag is filled with groceries and ice.
A 20 lb bag of ice against your back on a hot day sure feels good!

[Bob Chilcoat]

I'm the good looking one :-) In the red shirt.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:igWHe.212895$x96.94132@attbi_s72...
>> Oops, pic url is http://www.geocities.com/viewptmd/3BrotherswP40.jpg not
>> that anyone would want to see it...
>
> So which one of those guys is you, Bob?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Montblack]

("Bob Chilcoat" wrote)
> I'm the good looking one :-) In the red shirt.

>> Oops, pic url is http://www.geocities.com/viewptmd/3BrotherswP40.jpg


Actually, the good looking one is behind you three :-)


Montblack