Air France Accident - The newspaper silliness begins

[Greg Farris]

From Jen Horsey (Canadian Press)

The Airbus A-340's twin tail-mounted engines had just started to burn
when Figiola arrived on the scene less than a minute after the crash.

[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article >,
Greg Farris > wrote:
>From Jen Horsey (Canadian Press)
>
>The Airbus A-340's twin tail-mounted engines had just started to burn
>when Figiola arrived on the scene less than a minute after the crash.
>
Ummm... which "twin tail-mounted engines" are you referring to on the
four-engined (on the wings) Airbus A-340?

yours,
Michael


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Wow, Michael... you don't miss a thing : )

I think Greg was quoting some knucklehead Canadian reporter that knows
how to read copy but knows nothings about airliners...

[Matt Barrow]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Wow, Michael... you don't miss a thing : )
>
> I think Greg was quoting some knucklehead Canadian reporter that knows
> how to read copy but knows nothings about airliners...
>

Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?

[Steve Foley]

Every time they do something right <g>

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Wow, Michael... you don't miss a thing : )
> >
> > I think Greg was quoting some knucklehead Canadian reporter that knows
> > how to read copy but knows nothings about airliners...
> >
>
> Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>
>

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Matt Barrow wrote:
> > wrote in message
> >
> > I think Greg was quoting some knucklehead Canadian reporter that knows
> > how to read copy but knows nothings about airliners...
> >
>
> Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?

What the hell would we want to do that for?

[Greg Farris]

In article >,
says...

>
>Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>


Well, the media are arguably the most influential political entity in the
US, yet they are held to virtually no ethical standard. They routinely
resort to hyperbole, dramatisation, scare tactics, anti-intellectual
analysis, egregious populism and virtually every other form of
disinformation to sell copy. This would be fine, you say, they distort,
we decide, yet by placing angel-faced intellectual zombies to report on
complex issues, they affect our lives in more ways than we would like. If
a news reporter feels that an accident can be used to sell copy, through
a "Planes are dangerous - GA must be curbed" viewpoint, then there is
nothing to stop them from so doing, and knowledgable rebuttals will never
get the air time the initial chill story received.

So how did Ms Horsey get the job of telling the world the technical
details about this crash, when she doesn't know that an A340 has four,
wing-mounted engines? Obviously, she has to report on an aviation
accident one day, and a cloning controversy the next, with Adidas'
takeover of Reebok thrown in between - and no one can be fully versed in
every subject, but is this a satisfactory excuse? Considering the effect
they have on our lives, can we expect no entry-level competence in
reporting?

[Fred G. Black]

Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>

I'm waiting for a couple of news stories from the media that are free of
blatant obvious errors before saying anything nice.

[Fred G. Black]

Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>

I'm waiting for a couple of news stories from the media that are free of
blatant obvious errors before saying anything nice.

[George Patterson]

Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?

Yep. When they say something nice about us. Can't remember exactly when the last
time was, but I'm sure they did sometime. Maybe.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[John]

Michael Houghton wrote:

> Howdy!
>
> In article >,
> Greg Farris > wrote:
> >From Jen Horsey (Canadian Press)
> >
> >The Airbus A-340's twin tail-mounted engines had just started to burn
> >when Figiola arrived on the scene less than a minute after the crash.
> >
> Ummm... which "twin tail-mounted engines" are you referring to on the
> four-engined (on the wings) Airbus A-340?

Did you read the subject line of the message you responded to?

[Darkwing \(Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet]

"Greg Farris" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>
>>
>>Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>>
>
>
> Well, the media are arguably the most influential political entity in the
> US, yet they are held to virtually no ethical standard. They routinely
> resort to hyperbole, dramatisation, scare tactics, anti-intellectual
> analysis, egregious populism and virtually every other form of
> disinformation to sell copy. This would be fine, you say, they distort,
> we decide, yet by placing angel-faced intellectual zombies to report on
> complex issues, they affect our lives in more ways than we would like. If
> a news reporter feels that an accident can be used to sell copy, through
> a "Planes are dangerous - GA must be curbed" viewpoint, then there is
> nothing to stop them from so doing, and knowledgable rebuttals will never
> get the air time the initial chill story received.
>
> So how did Ms Horsey get the job of telling the world the technical
> details about this crash, when she doesn't know that an A340 has four,
> wing-mounted engines? Obviously, she has to report on an aviation
> accident one day, and a cloning controversy the next, with Adidas'
> takeover of Reebok thrown in between - and no one can be fully versed in
> every subject, but is this a satisfactory excuse? Considering the effect
> they have on our lives, can we expect no entry-level competence in
> reporting?
>

I'm surprised no "reporters" have called the A-340 the largest commericial
aircraft in service with two decks (confusing it with the A-380).

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DW

[Matt Barrow]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Matt Barrow wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > >
> > > I think Greg was quoting some knucklehead Canadian reporter that knows
> > > how to read copy but knows nothings about airliners...
> > >
> >
> > Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>
> What the hell would we want to do that for?

To keep StellaStar complacent. :~)

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amazing there where no fatalities.

[george]

Steve Foley wrote:
> Every time they do something right <g>
>

we're still waiting then ?

[Dave in Columbus]

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:45:10 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Wow, Michael... you don't miss a thing : )
>>
>> I think Greg was quoting some knucklehead Canadian reporter that knows
>> how to read copy but knows nothings about airliners...
>>
>
>Don't you people ever say anything nice about the media?
>

I watched the cable news coverage of the accident yesterday for about an
hour or so. What details that were available were covered fairly well.
After watching the coverage I knew that the aircraft had landed, maybe fast
and hard, then unable to stop, had slid off the end of the runway into a
ravine. The aircraft broke into at least two pieces and started burning.


So.... I switch over to the local news at 6:00 EST (NBC in Columbus, OH)
and the first thing to pop out of the newscuties mouth was "... the
airplane broke in two after landing.."

I guess NBC here doesn't have cable or access to the newswire, other wise
she would have known at least the basic details of the accident like I did.

If I hadn't watched the cable coverage I would have thought that the
aircraft had broken in two on the runway after landing.

Another example of the sad state of journalism. No information is better
than incorrect information in my book.
--

Dave in Columbus

[Jay Beckman]

"Dave in Columbus" > wrote in message
...
> I watched the cable news coverage of the accident yesterday for about an
> hour or so. What details that were available were covered fairly well.
> After watching the coverage I knew that the aircraft had landed, maybe
> fast
> and hard, then unable to stop, had slid off the end of the runway into a
> ravine. The aircraft broke into at least two pieces and started burning.
>
>
> So.... I switch over to the local news at 6:00 EST (NBC in Columbus, OH)
> and the first thing to pop out of the newscuties mouth was "... the
> airplane broke in two after landing.."
>
> I guess NBC here doesn't have cable or access to the newswire, other wise
> she would have known at least the basic details of the accident like I
> did.
>
> If I hadn't watched the cable coverage I would have thought that the
> aircraft had broken in two on the runway after landing.
>
> Another example of the sad state of journalism. No information is better
> than incorrect information in my book.
> --
>
> Dave in Columbus

Dave,

In this particular case, you are commenting on the "sad state" of journalism
in Columbus, OH, the #34 market in the country.

I'm not saying the major networks get it right all the time either, but,
IMO, you are comparing apples to avocados.

Fair and Balanced...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Happy Dog]

"Dave in Columbus" > wrote in message

> Another example of the sad state of journalism. No information is better
> than incorrect information in my book.

I read in the local tabloid (Toronto Sun):

"During a landing a plane entering a microburst encounters head winds that
increase airspeed."

The source cited is NASA.

moo

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Capt Pierre had little Euro experience with nasty N. Amer. T-storms.
Now that Murphy
has struck again maybe it is time to fly, just not UAL.

JG

[Terry Briggs]

The news this morning said they had enough gas to get to Montreal and that
they touched down too far down the runway.

I wonder why they didn't go elsewhere?

Terry

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Capt Pierre had little Euro experience with nasty N. Amer. T-storms.
> Now that Murphy
> has struck again maybe it is time to fly, just not UAL.
>
> JG
>

[Greg Farris]

In article >, says...
>
>
>The news this morning said they had enough gas to get to Montreal and that
>they touched down too far down the runway.
>
>I wonder why they didn't go elsewhere?
>
>Terry


Are you a pilot, Terry?

[Terry Briggs]

Since 1962. Was that a dumb question?


Terry


"Greg Farris" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>>
>>The news this morning said they had enough gas to get to Montreal and that
>>they touched down too far down the runway.
>>
>>I wonder why they didn't go elsewhere?
>>
>>Terry
>
>
> Are you a pilot, Terry?
>
>

[Mike Weller]

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:36:36 -0700, "Terry Briggs" >
wrote:

>The news this morning said they had enough gas to get to Montreal and that
>they touched down too far down the runway.
>
>I wonder why they didn't go elsewhere?
>

They're French. They had nothing else to do but show off.

Mike Weller

[Dave in Columbus]

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:35:50 -0700, "Jay Beckman" >
wrote:

>"Dave in Columbus" > wrote in message
...
>> I watched the cable news coverage of the accident yesterday for about an
>> hour or so. What details that were available were covered fairly well.
>> After watching the coverage I knew that the aircraft had landed, maybe
>> fast
>> and hard, then unable to stop, had slid off the end of the runway into a
>> ravine. The aircraft broke into at least two pieces and started burning.
>>
>>
>> So.... I switch over to the local news at 6:00 EST (NBC in Columbus, OH)
>> and the first thing to pop out of the newscuties mouth was "... the
>> airplane broke in two after landing.."
>>
>> I guess NBC here doesn't have cable or access to the newswire, other wise
>> she would have known at least the basic details of the accident like I
>> did.
>>
>> If I hadn't watched the cable coverage I would have thought that the
>> aircraft had broken in two on the runway after landing.
>>
>> Another example of the sad state of journalism. No information is better
>> than incorrect information in my book.
>> --
>>
>> Dave in Columbus
>
>Dave,
>
>In this particular case, you are commenting on the "sad state" of journalism
>in Columbus, OH, the #34 market in the country.
>
>I'm not saying the major networks get it right all the time either, but,
>IMO, you are comparing apples to avocados.
>
>Fair and Balanced...
>
>Jay Beckman
>PP-ASEL
>Chandler, AZ
>
Well, that's OK. I like BOTH Apples and Avocados!

--

Dave in Columbus