Welcome back, Discovery

[Dave]

I watched you and imagined this morning. I thought about past
endeavours; sucesses and failures.
I prayed.
Gliding that rock dead stick from 8 grand down to 300 must be the
ultimate!!

Congratulations, NASA Keep the ball rolling


I hope the concept of humans actually flying is not banished.

~D

[Jay Honeck]

> Congratulations, NASA Keep the ball rolling
>
> I hope the concept of humans actually flying is not banished.

Amen, brother.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Brad Zeigler]

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>
> I watched you and imagined this morning. I thought about past
> endeavours; sucesses and failures.
> I prayed.
> Gliding that rock dead stick from 8 grand down to 300 must be the
> ultimate!!

And as an added bonus, the Edwards AFB landing qualifies Commander Collins
for two weeks of valuable cross country time, as opposed to having to log
the time as "local" had they landed at the Cape.

[[email protected]]

T o d d P a t t i s t > wrote:
> What is the cat/class of the shuttle? Powered lift? Multi
> Engine?

Motorglider.
;-)

[Earl Grieda]

"Brad Zeigler" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I watched you and imagined this morning. I thought about past
> > endeavours; sucesses and failures.
> > I prayed.
> > Gliding that rock dead stick from 8 grand down to 300 must be
> > the ultimate!!
>
> And as an added bonus, the Edwards AFB landing qualifies Commander
> Collins for two weeks of valuable cross country time, as opposed to
> having to log the time as "local" had they landed at the Cape.

Other than the computer just who flies these things. Watching the landing
on some NASA cable channel they kept refering to pilot Jim Kelly.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Earl Grieda" > wrote in message
k.net...
>
> "Brad Zeigler" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I watched you and imagined this morning. I thought about past
>> > endeavours; sucesses and failures.
>> > I prayed.
>> > Gliding that rock dead stick from 8 grand down to 300 must be
>> > the ultimate!!
>>
>> And as an added bonus, the Edwards AFB landing qualifies Commander
>> Collins for two weeks of valuable cross country time, as opposed to
>> having to log the time as "local" had they landed at the Cape.
>
> Other than the computer just who flies these things. Watching the landing
> on some NASA cable channel they kept refering to pilot Jim Kelly.
>
>


The Shuttle has a Mission Commander, in this case Collins and a Pilot,
Kelly. The Apollo moon flights had a mission commander and two pilots one
for the lunar lander and one for the command module (The guy that flies all
the way to the moon and doesn't get to land. What has to be the best worst
job in history.)

[Jay Masino]

Gig 601XL Builder <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote:
>> Other than the computer just who flies these things. Watching the landing
>> on some NASA cable channel they kept refering to pilot Jim Kelly.
>>
> The Shuttle has a Mission Commander, in this case Collins and a Pilot,
> Kelly. The Apollo moon flights had a mission commander and two pilots one
> for the lunar lander and one for the command module (The guy that flies all
> the way to the moon and doesn't get to land. What has to be the best worst
> job in history.)

Both the mission commander and the pilot are trained to fly and land the
orbiter.




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[Dave]

Brad Zeigler wrote:

> And as an added bonus, the Edwards AFB landing qualifies Commander Collins
> for two weeks of valuable cross country time, as opposed to having to log
> the time as "local" had they landed at the Cape.

There ya go, Commander, you got free fries with that shake!

I wonder though... during re-entry they do these banking manouveurs
(sp) to help slow down. Early on they banked to about 80 degrees. Does
the commander have acrobatic license? <G>

No, really, I'd like to see a schematic illustration of exactly how
this flying machine transitions, with temp charts and all. Or,
descriptions/stories from those in the know about this stuff.

Does Jay have a "Shuttle Suite"?

~Dave

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Brad Zeigler wrote:
>
>> And as an added bonus, the Edwards AFB landing qualifies Commander
>> Collins
>> for two weeks of valuable cross country time, as opposed to having to log
>> the time as "local" had they landed at the Cape.
>
> There ya go, Commander, you got free fries with that shake!
>
> I wonder though... during re-entry they do these banking manouveurs
> (sp) to help slow down. Early on they banked to about 80 degrees. Does
> the commander have acrobatic license? <G>
>
> No, really, I'd like to see a schematic illustration of exactly how
> this flying machine transitions, with temp charts and all. Or,
> descriptions/stories from those in the know about this stuff.
>


NASA.Gov used to have a pretty neat web page up that showed the landing
process on about a High School level. No heat charts but it did list the
skin temp at various points in the reentry process. It's been years and I
don't have a clue as to where it is or if it is still on their site
somewhere.

[Sylvain]

Dave wrote:
> I wonder though... during re-entry they do these banking manouveurs
> (sp) to help slow down. Early on they banked to about 80 degrees. Does
> the commander have acrobatic license? <G>

not to mention that he has been doing loops (albeit large ones)
all week long before that :-)

--Sylvain

[Paul kgyy]

The space museum at Alamagordo, NM has a shuttle landing simulator.
Tried it 4 times, failed 4 times - about on a par with my normal
landings :-(

[Larry Dighera]

On 10 Aug 2005 14:32:42 -0700, "Paul kgyy" > wrote
in . com>::

>The space museum at Alamagordo, NM has a shuttle landing simulator.
>Tried it 4 times, failed 4 times - about on a par with my normal
>landings :-(

What was the nature of the failure of your simulated space shuttle
landings. Did you come in too hot? :-) Short? Flair too low?

[Skywise]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote in news:4LsKe.8$7f5.7
@okepread01:

>
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Brad Zeigler wrote:
>>
>>> And as an added bonus, the Edwards AFB landing qualifies Commander
>>> Collins
>>> for two weeks of valuable cross country time, as opposed to having to log
>>> the time as "local" had they landed at the Cape.
>>
>> There ya go, Commander, you got free fries with that shake!
>>
>> I wonder though... during re-entry they do these banking manouveurs
>> (sp) to help slow down. Early on they banked to about 80 degrees. Does
>> the commander have acrobatic license? <G>
>>
>> No, really, I'd like to see a schematic illustration of exactly how
>> this flying machine transitions, with temp charts and all. Or,
>> descriptions/stories from those in the know about this stuff.
>>
>
>
> NASA.Gov used to have a pretty neat web page up that showed the landing
> process on about a High School level. No heat charts but it did list the
> skin temp at various points in the reentry process. It's been years and I
> don't have a clue as to where it is or if it is still on their site
> somewhere.

"NSTS 1988 News Reference Manual"
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/stsref-toc.html

A little dated, perhaps, but fundamentally accurate.

From the Mission Events section on Entry at,

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-
newsref/sts_mes.html#mes_entry

"In the automatic mode, the orbiter is essentially a missile,
and the flight crew monitors the instruments to verify that
the vehicle is following the correct trajectory. The onboard
computers execute the flight control laws (equations). If the
vehicle diverges from the trajectory, the crew can take over
at any time by switching to CSS. The orbiter can fly to a
landing in the automatic mode (only landing gear extension
and braking action on the runway are required by the flight
crew). The autoland mode capability of the orbiter is used by
the crew usually to a predetermined point in flying around
the heading alignment cylinder. In flights to date, the crew
has switched to CSS when the orbiter is subsonic. However,
autoland provides information to the crew displays during the
landing sequence."

I was watching the landing live on NASA-TV adn I distinctly recall
the announcer mentioning when the pilot took over. I also recall
hearing that the pilot flew the orbiter down but hands the controls
to the commander for the actual landing.

I can't seem to confirm this 100% but STS-2 is supposed to have
been flown manually all the way down by pilot Joe Engle. I've
found this stated on several bio websites such as,

http://www.edwards.af.mil/archive/2000/001004pr.html
http://www.au.af.mil/au/goe/eaglebios/95bios/engle95.htm

In other googling I found reference to manual control after the
first S-turn on STS-1 thru STS-4, thereafter it all being automatic
until subsonic.

Brian
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