safety pin

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Hi,
I am looking for a source for safety pin for l'hotellier. Those
that are attach to the connector. I need 4. Sent a email to Tim, Tom LS
and others no success.
S6

[5Z]

A typical aviation mechanic will have them - that's where I've gotten
mine.

Several friends also have made permanently attached springy clips out
of piano wire that work quite well and can't be dropped.

-Tom

[Bob Korves]

wrote in
oups.com:

> Hi,
> I am looking for a source for safety pin for l'hotellier. Those
> that are attach to the connector. I need 4. Sent a email to Tim, Tom LS
> and others no success.
> S6
>

Go to your local airplane parts supply store (in the U.S. anyway) and buy
p/n AN416-2 cowl safety pin. This pin is designed to fit the hole
perfectly.

One source online: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/pins.html

-Bob Korves

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I use hairclip pins purchased at Lowe's

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I have the pin you guys are mentioning. On an LS6 it is almost
impossible to use because there is no hatch to look in. you have to
install them blind.
The pin I am looking for are sping type, one end goes trough
the l'hotellier so the pin spring in and out of the cam it is not
removable from the connector.. I have broken one but would rather
replace 4.
Thank you.
S6

[Derrick Steed]

They are called "R" clips - if you ask for those at any fastenings
supplier you should find what you want.

Rgds,

Derrick Steed

[Bob Korves]

" > wrote in
oups.com:

> I use hairclip pins purchased at Lowe's
>
>

Yeah, Gary. Saves you that $0.23 U.S. each for the correct aircraft part,
which is used for connecting critical control assemblies. Jeez, a lifetime
supply, even for your Nimbus 3, could cost maybe $10! My Scottish
anscestors would be proud of you... ;-)
-Bob Korves

[Dave Martin]

R clips as used on ASW20 type hoteliers are like those
used older motor car and motor cycle disc brake pad
retention pins. The were available in kits or some
brake retailers stock the R pins as separate items,
but it is a long time since I bought any.

Dave
At 22:48 12 August 2005, Bob Korves wrote:
' wrote in
oups.com:
>
>> I use hairclip pins purchased at Lowe's
>>
>>
>
>Yeah, Gary. Saves you that $0.23 U.S. each for the
>correct aircraft part,
>which is used for connecting critical control assemblies.
> Jeez, a lifetime
>supply, even for your Nimbus 3, could cost maybe $10!
> My Scottish
>anscestors would be proud of you... ;-)
>-Bob Korves
>

[Tim Newport-Peace]

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In article >, Dave Martin <REMOVE_TO_REPL
> writes
>R clips as used on ASW20 type hoteliers are like those
>used older motor car and motor cycle disc brake pad
>retention pins. The were available in kits or some
>brake retailers stock the R pins as separate items,
>but it is a long time since I bought any.
>
>Dave
>At 22:48 12 August 2005, Bob Korves wrote:
' wrote in
oups.com:
>>
>>> I use hairclip pins purchased at Lowe's
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, Gary. Saves you that $0.23 U.S. each for the
>>correct aircraft part,
>>which is used for connecting critical control assemblies.
>> Jeez, a lifetime
>>supply, even for your Nimbus 3, could cost maybe $10!
>> My Scottish
>>anscestors would be proud of you... ;-)
>>-Bob Korves
>>
>
>
>
In UK try:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=FN00490&N=0

Tim Newport-Peace

"Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."

[jphoenix]

Bob,

Those 416's don't fit very well in the outer panel connection control
rod tubes in the N3. I don't like the idea of using that large of a
safety pin there, I'm sure it would catch on the end of the rod
housing. I use safety wire so I can bend it back flush and there's no
chance of it catching the end of the tube opening. I like Gary's idea
of those very small clips. Maybe there's an AN equivelant, but I've
never seen one.

Inside the fuselage, I use Wedekind sleeves, but again, no room for the
Wedekind sleeves out in the outer panel connections. Hopefully the FAA
won't be lurking behind any bushes (or maybe trolling the OLC for
violations) when I install my Lowe's hairclip pins;-)

Jim

Bob Korves wrote:
> " > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> > I use hairclip pins purchased at Lowe's
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, Gary. Saves you that $0.23 U.S. each for the correct aircraft part,
> which is used for connecting critical control assemblies. Jeez, a lifetime
> supply, even for your Nimbus 3, could cost maybe $10! My Scottish
> anscestors would be proud of you... ;-)
> -Bob Korves

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I use the safety pins from Knauff and Grove - try them - there are
"right" and "left" safety pins specially made for the L'Hotellier
connectors - try Knauff and Grove - and get a couple spares
and you are set for a long time.

[jphoenix]

Good info Bob,

Those are the ones I've been looking for.

Jim

[Bob Korves]

"jphoenix" > wrote in
oups.com:

> Bob,
>
> Those 416's don't fit very well in the outer panel connection control
> rod tubes in the N3. I don't like the idea of using that large of a
> safety pin there, I'm sure it would catch on the end of the rod
> housing. I use safety wire so I can bend it back flush and there's no
> chance of it catching the end of the tube opening. I like Gary's idea
> of those very small clips. Maybe there's an AN equivelant, but I've
> never seen one.
>
> Inside the fuselage, I use Wedekind sleeves, but again, no room for
> the Wedekind sleeves out in the outer panel connections. Hopefully the
> FAA won't be lurking behind any bushes (or maybe trolling the OLC for
> violations) when I install my Lowe's hairclip pins;-)
>
> Jim
>

OK, Jim. I guess I jumped on Gary a bit too quickly.

All my personal experience is with Pik-20's and ASW-20's and similar
gliders in which the safety pins are fairly easy to see, install, and
inspect. AN416-2's work well in those applications and probably many
others. They fit the holes in the connectors snugly and lock positively.
The AN416-2 would be the safety pin of choice in most "normal"
applications.

I can see that on a LS-6 or on open class outer panels that clearances and
installation effort could be a problem. I have also seen that it is
exactly these gliders that seem to have the most problems with controls
becoming disconnected. Coincidence? Be careful out there...

I have personally moved on to gliders with all automatic hookups. They
offer additional peace of mind and are typically more tolerant of casual
assembly (which is difficult for me to understand why it occurs). The
difference in cost of the gliders with automatic hookups is, of course,
much more than the $0.23 each cost of the AN416-2. I am also not aware of
ANY available open class competitive racing glider with completely
automatic hookups.
-Bob Korves

[jphoenix]

Bob K.,

I still use the AN416's - 7 each on my 1-26.

Looking at the accident stats on the FAA database (also NTSB I suppose)
I see a lot of ASW-20's lost their elevator connections, but I suppose
that's pretty well known in the community. I can't imagine not getting
my (Nimbus 3) ailerons connected, it takes a half hour to safety
everything out there. I would surely miss that time not spent in
rigging - getting done a half hour earlier (1 hour rigging instead of
1.5 hours) than normal would be an alarm bell to me!

Jim