Perfect Proficiency Flight

[Jay Honeck]

Mary and I have developed what we call our "Perfect Proficiency Flight," (or
"PPF") and I was wondering if anyone else has done the same?

You know what I mean. Maybe you haven't flown for a while, and you need to
get back up to speed, but the thought of working the pattern after all these
years just isn't your cup of tea. But you want to get your edge back,
preferably without taking all day or spending a zillion dollars.

Our goals in a PPF are:

- Experience the full regime of flight at a fairly high degree of intensity
- Enter controlled airspace and work with ATC.
- Land at an uncontrolled airfield.
- Land on a short runway.
- Do it all in less than 1 hour of flight time.

Our solution? The Amana Colonies (Iowa's biggest tourist attraction See
http://www.amanacolonies.com/welcome/index.html if you're curious) has a
small grass strip, located in the town of Amana. It is 2400 feet long, 75
feet wide, charges a voluntary $5 landing fee (there's just a box with
envelopes), and is within easy walking distance of many great restaurants,
shops, a working woolen mill (the last one in the Midwest), and a terrific
microbrewery.

It's a 17 mile flight. When the people in the shops ask us where we flew in
from, they always (and I mean ALWAYS) laugh when we tell them that we came
from Iowa City. To them (and to many pilots, frankly) it's hilarious that
we would bother to fly such a short distance for (what they see as) a visit
to the shops -- but it works out great for us.

In that 0.3 hour flight, we do EVERYTHING that we need to do on any flight,
from getting a weather/TFR briefing, to pre-flight, to interacting with
traffic in our local pattern, to navigating, to setting up the radios and
transponder, to talking with ATC (Amana is under the Class C airspace of
Cedar Rapids), to landing on a short field. On the way out, it's the
reverse, plus we get to practice short field/soft field departures. And,
back when I was actively practicing IFR flight, I could shoot an approach
back into Iowa City, too.

Total time? 0.6 hours. Flight intensity due to short duration/high work
load? Moderate. Fun factor: Priceless!

What do you guys do to stay sharp?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[W P Dixon]

Jay,
I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
Tourism. ;)

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:FOkPe.280576$_o.172492@attbi_s71...
> Mary and I have developed what we call our "Perfect Proficiency Flight,"
> (or "PPF") and I was wondering if anyone else has done the same?
>
> You know what I mean. Maybe you haven't flown for a while, and you need
> to get back up to speed, but the thought of working the pattern after all
> these years just isn't your cup of tea. But you want to get your edge
> back, preferably without taking all day or spending a zillion dollars.
>
> Our goals in a PPF are:
>
> - Experience the full regime of flight at a fairly high degree of
> intensity
> - Enter controlled airspace and work with ATC.
> - Land at an uncontrolled airfield.
> - Land on a short runway.
> - Do it all in less than 1 hour of flight time.
>
> Our solution? The Amana Colonies (Iowa's biggest tourist attraction See
> http://www.amanacolonies.com/welcome/index.html if you're curious) has a
> small grass strip, located in the town of Amana. It is 2400 feet long,
> 75 feet wide, charges a voluntary $5 landing fee (there's just a box with
> envelopes), and is within easy walking distance of many great restaurants,
> shops, a working woolen mill (the last one in the Midwest), and a terrific
> microbrewery.
>
> It's a 17 mile flight. When the people in the shops ask us where we flew
> in from, they always (and I mean ALWAYS) laugh when we tell them that we
> came from Iowa City. To them (and to many pilots, frankly) it's hilarious
> that we would bother to fly such a short distance for (what they see as) a
> visit to the shops -- but it works out great for us.
>
> In that 0.3 hour flight, we do EVERYTHING that we need to do on any
> flight, from getting a weather/TFR briefing, to pre-flight, to interacting
> with traffic in our local pattern, to navigating, to setting up the radios
> and transponder, to talking with ATC (Amana is under the Class C airspace
> of Cedar Rapids), to landing on a short field. On the way out, it's the
> reverse, plus we get to practice short field/soft field departures. And,
> back when I was actively practicing IFR flight, I could shoot an approach
> back into Iowa City, too.
>
> Total time? 0.6 hours. Flight intensity due to short duration/high work
> load? Moderate. Fun factor: Priceless!
>
> What do you guys do to stay sharp?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Dale]

In article <FOkPe.280576$_o.172492@attbi_s71>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:


>
> What do you guys do to stay sharp?

Fly 200+ hours/year.

Takeoff at maximum weight on almost every flight.

Takeoff with minimum fuel on almost every flight.

Fly with precision on every flight.

Always do short field takeoffs and landings.

Run a fuel tank dry occasionaly. <G>

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Montblack]

("W P Dixon" wrote)
> I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
> Tourism. ;)


In my previous (enjoyable) visits to Iowa and The Alexis Park Inn:

(Interesting) Amana Colonies ...BTDT.
(VERY FUN!!) Pella, Iowa Tulip Festival ...BTDT
(Relaxing) Wander over 400 miles of Iowa back-backroads at 48mph (cruise
control setting) ...BTDT

Herbert Hoover Presidential Library it next!!!
http://hoover.archives.gov/


Montblack

[W P Dixon]

Hmmm,
If you go there you may leave in a state of depression ;)

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mechanic

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("W P Dixon" wrote)
>> I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
>> Tourism. ;)
>
>
> In my previous (enjoyable) visits to Iowa and The Alexis Park Inn:
>
> (Interesting) Amana Colonies ...BTDT.
> (VERY FUN!!) Pella, Iowa Tulip Festival ...BTDT
> (Relaxing) Wander over 400 miles of Iowa back-backroads at 48mph (cruise
> control setting) ...BTDT
>
> Herbert Hoover Presidential Library it next!!!
> http://hoover.archives.gov/
>
>
> Montblack

[Newps]

W P Dixon wrote:

> Jay,
> I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
> Tourism. ;)

No ****. Imagine what he would say about a state that was actually
worth seeing.

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> What do you guys do to stay sharp?

1.) Chart folding in flight is a skill that is 'way under appreciated.
One should practice that sometimes.

2.) For me, fast-flight practice requires real effort and I should do
more of that. Slow-flight is an everyday thing.

3.) Take offs are a very good maneuver to practice. Sometimes I miss
the trees by a little, other times by a lot. Maybe I should practice
the "miss 'em by a lot" thing more often.

4.) Landings. On pavement. Yikes!!! (Landing on the grass, she's a
pussycat and don't every let anyone tell you otherwise.)

5.) Every once in a while I practice looking where I'm going... except
when I'm landing. That's too scary to contemplate and I don't
understand how anyone could get used to doing that.

6.) Finally, when I have lots of time and gas, I sometimes practice
climbing above 1500 agl. This one takes so much time that I don't
like to do it very often.

Dave Russell
N2S-3 (that means, "Stearman," btw)

[Jay Honeck]

>> I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
>> Tourism. ;)
>
> No ****. Imagine what he would say about a state that was actually worth
> seeing.

Heh. You just keep thinking that Iowa is a flat, barren wasteland with
nothing but corn to see.

It helps to keep the riff-raff out...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
>>>Tourism. ;)
>>
>>No ****. Imagine what he would say about a state that was actually worth
>>seeing.
>
>
> Heh. You just keep thinking that Iowa is a flat, barren wasteland with
> nothing but corn to see.

I've driven across Iowa several times ... it IS flat and barren. :-)
I wouldn't call it wasteland though as it does grow lots of corn!

I must admit though that I found Kansas even more boring to traverse on
a motorcycle than Iowa. I literally started falling asleep riding my
motorcycle across Kansas! I didn't even think that was possible up
until then.


Matt

[Dan Youngquist]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Jay Honeck wrote:

> Heh. You just keep thinking that Iowa is a flat, barren wasteland with
> nothing but corn to see.

The following link deals with some research involving a nearby state, but
your state's tourist bureau, chamber of commerce, etc. may see fit to fund
some similar research regarding Iowa.

http://www.improb.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html

-Dan

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>>I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
>>>Tourism. ;)
>>
>>No ****. Imagine what he would say about a state that was actually worth
>>seeing.
>
>
> Heh. You just keep thinking that Iowa is a flat, barren wasteland with
> nothing but corn to see.

I've been there. You guys bring in some terrain while no one was looking?

[vincent p. norris]

>Our goals in a PPF are:
>
>- Experience the full regime of flight at a fairly high degree of intensity
>- Enter controlled airspace and work with ATC.
>- Land at an uncontrolled airfield.
>- Land on a short runway.
>- Do it all in less than 1 hour of flight time.

I would like to suggest that you add an unexpected forced landing,
when the person-not-flying pulls the throttle at an inconvenient time.

But since you live in the middle of thousands of square miles of corn
fields, it seems pointless to suggest that.

Here in central PA, it's good practice.

vince norris

[Jay Honeck]

> I've driven across Iowa several times ... it IS flat and barren. :-)
> I wouldn't call it wasteland though as it does grow lots of corn!
>
> I must admit though that I found Kansas even more boring to traverse on a
> motorcycle than Iowa. I literally started falling asleep riding my
> motorcycle across Kansas! I didn't even think that was possible up until
> then.

Yeah, back when we lived in Wisconsin (and rode touring motorcycles all over
the country) we used to hate the ride from Illinois to the foothills of the
Rocky Mountains, simply because it was so flat and boring.

Only later did we realize that, by sticking to the interstates, we made
great time but had denied ourselves the true beauty and terrain of the
Midwest. Remember, the interstate system is *designed* to be flat and
boring. Once we figured that out, and got off of I-80, Iowa, Nebraska and
Kansas became just as much fun to see as the rest of the country.

Even Illinois has pretty parts, although they're harder to find once you get
away from Lake Michigan. (And that part of Illinois has been all but
destroyed by development.) Down-state Illinois is truly what people tend
to think of as Iowa-like -- pool table flat and treeless to the horizon.

Iowa, believe it or not, is remarkably hilly. We've been searching the
area, casually, for the last 18 months, trying to find a piece of land flat
enough to put an airstrip on. We thought that this would be a relatively
simple job, and have been quite amazed to find that there is little flat
land in our area. And go over by Dubuque, and you'll find entire parts of
the city carved into incredibly steep hillsides.

Get off of I-80. Take some back roads. Really *see* the country for what
it is.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Barrow]

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> >>>I swear the State of Iowa needs to make you their spokesman and Head of
> >>>Tourism. ;)
> >>
> >>No ****. Imagine what he would say about a state that was actually
worth
> >>seeing.
> >
> >
> > Heh. You just keep thinking that Iowa is a flat, barren wasteland with
> > nothing but corn to see.
>
> I've been there. You guys bring in some terrain while no one was looking?
>

It looks the same at 10,000 feet as it does at ground level.

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I've driven across Iowa several times ... it IS flat and barren. :-)
>>I wouldn't call it wasteland though as it does grow lots of corn!
>>
>>I must admit though that I found Kansas even more boring to traverse on a
>>motorcycle than Iowa. I literally started falling asleep riding my
>>motorcycle across Kansas! I didn't even think that was possible up until
>>then.
>
>
> Yeah, back when we lived in Wisconsin (and rode touring motorcycles all over
> the country) we used to hate the ride from Illinois to the foothills of the
> Rocky Mountains, simply because it was so flat and boring.
>
> Only later did we realize that, by sticking to the interstates, we made
> great time but had denied ourselves the true beauty and terrain of the
> Midwest. Remember, the interstate system is *designed* to be flat and
> boring. Once we figured that out, and got off of I-80, Iowa, Nebraska and
> Kansas became just as much fun to see as the rest of the country.

Yes, you make a good point about the interstates, but even the
interstates in PA are neither flat nor straight. My destinations were
always in or west of the Rockies so smelling the roses in the midwest
wasn't on the agenda, but I agree it is something I should do some day
when I get another bike. With kids about to enter college and a new
house to pay for and a compay that barely survived bankruptcy after the
telecomm bust, I no longer have either an airplane or a motorcycle.
Hopefully, some day when my ship comes back in...

Matt

[vincent p. norris]

> Once we figured that out, and got off of I-80, Iowa, Nebraska and
>Kansas became just as much fun to see as the rest of the country.

I drove from Illinois to Estes Park, Colorado, and back several times
before the Interstates were built. I hated every goddam mile, until
we reached the Rockies, although Iowa was not as utterly depressing as
Nebraska.

"Just as much fun to see as the rest of the country"? As much as the
Rockies, or the Cascades, or New England? Come on!
>
>Even Illinois has pretty parts......

More true of Iowa than of Illinois. Small towns in Iowa are prettier
than small towns in Illinois.

>Iowa, believe it or not, is remarkably hilly.

I remember how hard it was to pass a truck or a school bus on those
two-lane highways.

vince norris

[Jay Honeck]

> I drove from Illinois to Estes Park, Colorado, and back several times
> before the Interstates were built. I hated every goddam mile, until
> we reached the Rockies, although Iowa was not as utterly depressing as
> Nebraska.

The beauty of taking the two-lane highways now is that NO ONE else is on
'em.

It ain't like the old, pre-interstate days, when you could spend an hour
trying to pass a single truck. In fact, the motorcycling on these mostly
abandoned roads is wonderful!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[vincent p. norris]

>> I drove from Illinois to Estes Park, Colorado, and back several times
>> before the Interstates were built. I hated every goddam mile, until
>> we reached the Rockies, although Iowa was not as utterly depressing as
>> Nebraska.
>
>The beauty of taking the two-lane highways now is that NO ONE else is on
>'em.
>
I appreciate that, Jay; it's the same here in PA and I often take the
old roads instead of the interstates, for the beauty of the
countryside.

But traffic was not the primary cause of my hatred of driving across
the Midwest and Plains. It was the endlessness of miles and miles of
nothing and nothing and more nothing. And the fact that I was doing
it the summer in a car without air-conditioning, in temperatures and
humidity as high as the miles were endless and the scenery
non-existent.

I don't have that antipathy to flying over the same territory; from on
high once can find beauty in the terrain that can't bee seen from the
perspective of an ant. (Although flying over Nebraska is not as
wonderful as flying over PA, NY, New England, the Rockies, the
Cascades, Alaska...................

vince norris

[W P Dixon]

Which part of the KY hills did you go through Jim? It really is a pretty
drive in alot of southeastern KY.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I did the very same thing, in the mountains of Kentucky, on the way home
> from OSH this year. I will likely do it again, as it took less than 1/2
> hour more, and was some of the most beautiful scenery I have ever seen.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Morgans]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote

> I appreciate that, Jay; it's the same here in PA and I often take the
> old roads instead of the interstates, for the beauty of the
> countryside.

I did the very same thing, in the mountains of Kentucky, on the way home
from OSH this year. I will likely do it again, as it took less than 1/2
hour more, and was some of the most beautiful scenery I have ever seen.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> But traffic was not the primary cause of my hatred of driving across
> the Midwest and Plains. It was the endlessness of miles and miles of
> nothing and nothing and more nothing. And the fact that I was doing
> it the summer in a car without air-conditioning, in temperatures and
> humidity as high as the miles were endless and the scenery
> non-existent.

In the early 1960s my family would pile into a non-air-conditioned Pontiac
Super Chief each summer, and drive West for three weeks.

I know *exactly* what you mean. (Worse yet, 10 years later, when
air-conditioning finally DID become affordable, we'd do the same trip with
the windows UP -- and both parents were heavy smokers...)

However, having ridden a motorcycle through Iowa quite a few times, I can
assure you that there are many roads that offer scenery and curves as
beautiful as anything outside of the mountains. (NOTHING approaches riding
a motorcycle in the Rockies, of course. Although the Blue Ridge Parkway is
quite pretty...)

One key I've found to finding great roads in any state: Find the roads that
follow rivers. There are roads along the Mississippi that I would put up
against any motorcycle roads in America, for twisties and gorgeous scenery.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Chris]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message > Our solution?
The Amana Colonies (Iowa's biggest tourist attraction See
> http://www.amanacolonies.com/welcome/index.html if you're curious) has a
> small grass strip, located in the town of Amana. It is 2400 feet long,
> 75 feet wide, charges a voluntary $5 landing fee (there's just a box with
> envelopes), and is within easy walking distance of many great restaurants,
> shops, a working woolen mill (the last one in the Midwest), and a terrific
> microbrewery.
>
>
> In that 0.3 hour flight, we do EVERYTHING that we need to do on any
> flight, from getting a weather/TFR briefing, to pre-flight, to interacting
> with traffic in our local pattern, to navigating, to setting up the radios
> and transponder, to talking with ATC (Amana is under the Class C airspace
> of Cedar Rapids), to landing on a short field. On the way out, it's the
> reverse, plus we get to practice short field/soft field departures. And,
> back when I was actively practicing IFR flight, I could shoot an approach
> back into Iowa City, too.
>
> Total time? 0.6 hours. Flight intensity due to short duration/high work
> load? Moderate. Fun factor: Priceless!
>
> What do you guys do to stay sharp?
> --

Jay, that's not a short runway have a look at these. They are what keeps us
sharp especially with the Military passing through the overhead without
warning.

http://www.popham-airfield.co.uk/Procedures.htm#Runway%2026

Chris

[Morgans]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in message

> Which part of the KY hills did you go through Jim? It really is a pretty
> drive in alot of southeastern KY.

We got off near Corbin, onto 25E, down through the Cumberlin Gap, and into
Tennessee, and then eventually back to I-40.

The last overlook before you start down, looking out over the lakes was
spectacular. I think I was last there in around 1967, or 68, when I was 9
or 10 years old. I don't suppose I really appreciated the view, back then.
<g>

Required aviation component: You could only see a better view, if you were
flying over it. :-)

Jim in NC

[W P Dixon]

Speaking of site seeing there by air, south of Pineville, is a huge boulder
chained to the mountain! Looks small from the ground or even from the
air....but each link of chain was carried up the mountain by a mule, they
are pretty dang big! Supposedly the town was afraid this rock was going to
dislodge and crush the town. So they chained it to the mountain.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "W P Dixon" > wrote in message
>
>> Which part of the KY hills did you go through Jim? It really is a pretty
>> drive in alot of southeastern KY.
>
> We got off near Corbin, onto 25E, down through the Cumberlin Gap, and
> into
> Tennessee, and then eventually back to I-40.
>
> The last overlook before you start down, looking out over the lakes was
> spectacular. I think I was last there in around 1967, or 68, when I was 9
> or 10 years old. I don't suppose I really appreciated the view, back
> then.
> <g>
>
> Required aviation component: You could only see a better view, if you
> were
> flying over it. :-)
>
> Jim in NC
>

[Jay Honeck]

> http://www.popham-airfield.co.uk/Procedures.htm#Runway%2026

Those look a lot of fun, Chris!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[W P Dixon]

Hee hee,
Well you know in that neck of the woods they do have to have a draw for
tourist for something. Thanks for the update ob the chain links I'll have to
re inform some local pilots who told me that! ;)
If you have a 4x4 a nice drive is a lonesome road on the crest of Pine
Mountain. Just miles and miles of being in nature. It's a nice little trip.
Beautiful sites and no one around to bother you!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "W P Dixon" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Speaking of site seeing there by air, south of Pineville, is a huge
> boulder
>> chained to the mountain! Looks small from the ground or even from the
>> air....but each link of chain was carried up the mountain by a mule, they
>> are pretty dang big! Supposedly the town was afraid this rock was going
>> to
>> dislodge and crush the town. So they chained it to the mountain.
>
> Nah, the links are only 4 1/2 pounds.
>
> Yes, I remember seeing that back then. As I recall, it was mainly a
> tourist
> magnet. Think about it. What could you do to attract tourists? Would a
> giant chain protecting the town do it? Yep. <g>
>
> If they really wanted to protect the town, wouldn't a well placed stick or
> three of dynamite do it? :-))
>
> For story:
> http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/travel/articles/0619tra09fill0619.html
>
> Some pictures of the rock:
> http://www.kspg.org/MiddlesboroKSPG03/middlesboro/chainrock.htm
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Jose]

> If they really wanted to protect the town, wouldn't a well placed stick or
> three of dynamite do it? :-))

What would protect the town from a not quite so well placed stick or three?

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Chris]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QGqQe.314076$xm3.79466@attbi_s21...
>> http://www.popham-airfield.co.uk/Procedures.htm#Runway%2026
>
> Those look a lot of fun, Chris!
>
Reading about it puts a lot of people off, mind you a few have picked up
some turf on the wing tip as they made that final turn on 26. Otherwise it
through the hedge and onto the highway which run parallel to the strip. To
fast and high and its a certain go around, three gos and its time to go and
land elsewhere.
It's fun in a Tripacer 'cos you need to keep on plenty of power for that
last turn otherwise it becomes a brick.

Chris

[Morgans]

"W P Dixon" > wrote in message
...
> Speaking of site seeing there by air, south of Pineville, is a huge
boulder
> chained to the mountain! Looks small from the ground or even from the
> air....but each link of chain was carried up the mountain by a mule, they
> are pretty dang big! Supposedly the town was afraid this rock was going to
> dislodge and crush the town. So they chained it to the mountain.

Nah, the links are only 4 1/2 pounds.

Yes, I remember seeing that back then. As I recall, it was mainly a tourist
magnet. Think about it. What could you do to attract tourists? Would a
giant chain protecting the town do it? Yep. <g>

If they really wanted to protect the town, wouldn't a well placed stick or
three of dynamite do it? :-))

For story:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/travel/articles/0619tra09fill0619.html

Some pictures of the rock:
http://www.kspg.org/MiddlesboroKSPG03/middlesboro/chainrock.htm
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Jose" > wrote

> What would protect the town from a not quite so well placed stick or
three?

Not that dinky little chain, that's for sure!

Under the second link, you can see that the chain is held to the anchor pin
by a little piece of what looks to be 3/16" cable. The anchor is a 1/2" or
maybe 3/4" piece of steel stuck into the rock. Not going to stop a falling
rock, but makes good for a tourist trap!
--
Jim in NC

[Stefan]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> It is 2400 feet long, 75 feet wide
....
> landing on a short field.

2400 feet a short field? No you're pulling my leg!

Having learnt and being based on 2000 ft x 50 ft runway, I sometimes
practise landings a bigger airport in the vicinity, just to keep sharp
on those huge runways.

Stefan

[Jose]

>>What would protect the town from a not quite so well placed stick or
>
> three?
>
> Not that dinky little chain, that's for sure!

I meant from an incompetent attempt at using a stick or three to protect
the town by eliminating the hazard. :)

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[George Patterson]

Morgans wrote:
>
> I have found that the word "incompetent" combined with explosives, to be
> very incompatible. <g>

It's not really incompatible. It's simply self-correcting. :-)

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Morgans]

"Jose" > wrote

> I meant from an incompetent attempt at using a stick or three to protect
> the town by eliminating the hazard. :)

Yeah, I know. :-)

I have found that the word "incompetent" combined with explosives, to be
very incompatible. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[W P Dixon]

You'd figure that with all the mine blasting in the region that the dang
rock would have already fallen! Boulder came off a strip mine across the
line in Virginia and rolled into a boys bedroom, poor little kid didn't
stand a chance. If I remember correctly a truck dislodged it.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:nNLQe.3791$Ni1.2366@trndny03...
> Morgans wrote:
>>
>> I have found that the word "incompetent" combined with explosives, to be
>> very incompatible. <g>
>
> It's not really incompatible. It's simply self-correcting. :-)
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[Jose]

> I have found that the word "incompetent" combined with explosives, to be
> very incompatible. <g>

.... but entertaining. :)

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Honeck]

> Having learnt and being based on 2000 ft x 50 ft runway, I sometimes
> practise landings a bigger airport in the vicinity, just to keep sharp on
> those huge runways.

Pshaw! You call that a "small" runway? Crikey, it's 50 feet wide!

Where I was based in Wisconsin (C89), it was 30 feet wide. (2300 feet long,
though, to be sure.)

Precision was rewarded...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[N93332]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:J1QQe.290061$x96.218848@attbi_s72...
>> Having learnt and being based on 2000 ft x 50 ft runway, I sometimes
>> practise landings a bigger airport in the vicinity, just to keep sharp on
>> those huge runways.
>
> Pshaw! You call that a "small" runway? Crikey, it's 50 feet wide!
>
> Where I was based in Wisconsin (C89), it was 30 feet wide. (2300 feet
> long, though, to be sure.)
>
> Precision was rewarded...

Sounds like Paullina, IA (1y9) with its 2800 x 28. I'm planning on a Fly-In
at Sheldon, IA (SHL) on Monday and will try Paullina when I'm in that
neighborhood. It'll be interesting to land on a runway that is narrower than
my wingspan. Maybe then onto IOW??? ;-)

[Stefan]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Having learnt and being based on 2000 ft x 50 ft runway,

> Pshaw! You call that a "small" runway?

Actually, no. It's a pretty normal runway around here. Of course I do
know and practice on a few small ones occasionally, most of them one-way
with no go-around option. (But then, being primarily a glider pilot, I'm
used to unimproved fields with no go-around option.)

Stefan

[Chris]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:J1QQe.290061$x96.218848@attbi_s72...
>> Having learnt and being based on 2000 ft x 50 ft runway, I sometimes
>> practise landings a bigger airport in the vicinity, just to keep sharp on
>> those huge runways.
>
> Pshaw! You call that a "small" runway? Crikey, it's 50 feet wide!
>
> Where I was based in Wisconsin (C89), it was 30 feet wide. (2300 feet
> long, though, to be sure.)
>
> Precision was rewarded...

As was required on the old runway at C29 Morey.