153A aviator question

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Hello

I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?

[Shiver]

> > wrote:

> An army recruiter promised

Be carefull..... be very very carefull.

[joe]

I'd think the real question is where you're going after Fort Rucker.

> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
> promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
> after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
> E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
> Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?
>

[[email protected]]

I know a local pilot who got screwed on the same deal. He got out and
is working on his civilian rotor ticket. Recruiters will lie to you and
thats a fact. when it turns to **** they'll waffle and tell you it was
out of their hands.....
Ol shy & bashful

[[email protected]]

If it's in writing on the enlistment contract, they'll either keep
their promise or give you a discharge. If it's not in writing, it's
just BS by the Army recruiter.

Recruiters are under tremendous pressure to fill their quotas. If
you qualify for a particular program, they will be happy to put the
commitment in writing. If they start giving you excuses about why
they can't give you a written contract, it is probably because they
are pretty sure that you won't qualify for the program.

And keep in mind that the Army's personnel requirements can turn on a
dime. In 1969 and 1970, the Army was offering many WO pilots who had
completed a combat tour direct commissions as First Lieutenants. A
couple of years later, many of them were forced out of the Army in the
downsizing that occurred after Vietnam had wound down.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:04:36 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
<skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote:

>On 30 Aug 2005 19:23:11 -0700, wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>
>> I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
>>promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
>>after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
>>E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
>>Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?
>
>I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING the recruiter said.

[Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB]

wrote:

>Hello
>
> I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
>promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
>after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
>E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
>Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?
>
>
I am currently serving with the Army as a AH-64 Apache armt dawg. I am
28 and also a fixed wing pilot with 288 hours. I joined the Army to go
WOFT but had to go enlisted first because I need to be a US citizen and
I am doing the military naturalization thru Army service, long story
short, ask me anything you want to know about the Army, MOS 153A and
flight training program. Who told you that you have to be E5 for WOFT?
That is wrong info. 153A is the only MOS that doesn't require prior MOS
related experience. Why do you want to go to Fort Rucker? You can only
go to Fort Rucker for AIT if you are 15P or 15Q MOS series, that is
flight ops and air traffic controller. Furthermore, not to make you
upset or anything, WOFT age cut off is 32 at this point, but also the
recuiting website says if you didn't turn 33 by the time selection board
convenes you are good to go. You can still do an age waiver on the other
hand, provided you are an excellent soldier. Can they put Rucker in your
contract, if you are going for 15Q or 15P yes that will be in your
enlistment contract.

[Lionel]

wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
> promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
> after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
> E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
> Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?

Yes they can! But you most likely will have to sign for an exteneded
amount of time! if you are interested in flying email me?

[Flyingmonk]

I'm a rated helo pilot. I thought of signing up too, went to talk to a
recruiter last week and he told me I was too old to be in flying for
the National Guard. He said the cut-off age was TWENTY SIX. He said I
could be promised a job of working on helos though. I said no thanks,
I wanted to fly.

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On 30 Aug 2005 19:23:11 -0700, wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>
>> I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
>>promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
>>after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
>>E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
>>Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?
>
> I wouldn't bank on ANYTHING the recruiter said.

Oh I would, but it'd be the OPPOSITE of what he said, if it what he said was
what I wanted to hear.

Anything in your favour, forget about it.


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Beav

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[Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB]

Beav wrote:

>
>Oh I would, but it'd be the OPPOSITE of what he said, if it what he said was
>what I wanted to hear.
>
>Anything in your favour, forget about it.
>
Most of you generalizing the recruiters as total liars, this is not
true, they are not liars, on the other hand, they don't have to tell you
everything, just like your average salesman on the street. They don't
have to tell you negative sides of the service at all, they have a job
to do. Most here are quick to judge, how come you don't feel the same
thing for your average salesman at the mall, at best buy, at your car
dealer, etc etc. Noone should knock on their recruiter's door without
prior research. I have had no problems with my recruiter, whenever he
said something, I researched and if he was wrong I correted him, I got
everything I wanted, plus my specialty field. Everyone was happy. Give
them a break!

[Beav]

"Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB" > wrote in
message eenews.net...
> Beav wrote:
>
>>
>>Oh I would, but it'd be the OPPOSITE of what he said, if it what he said
>>was what I wanted to hear.
>>
>>Anything in your favour, forget about it.
>>
> Most of you generalizing the recruiters as total liars, this is not true,
> they are not liars, on the other hand, they don't have to tell you
> everything,

Which is called lying by ommission.

just like your average salesman on the street.


EXACTLY like your average salesman on the street, which is what a recruiter
is.

They don't
> have to tell you negative sides of the service at all, they have a job to
> do.

There's such a thing as scruples you know.. Having them would see a
reduction in sales though, so the employers don't usually insist a
recruiter/salesman is overburdened in that area.

Most here are quick to judge, how come you don't feel the same
> thing for your average salesman at the mall, at best buy, at your car
> dealer, etc etc.

I'd guess that most DO think that of the above mentioned people.

Noone should knock on their recruiter's door without
> prior research. I have had no problems with my recruiter, whenever he said
> something, I researched and if he was wrong I correted him, I got
> everything I wanted, plus my specialty field. Everyone was happy. Give
> them a break!

Left arm or left leg?


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[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:58:53 +0900, "Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d
> ASB" > wrote:
>
>>Beav wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Oh I would, but it'd be the OPPOSITE of what he said, if it what he said
>>>was
>>>what I wanted to hear.
>>>
>>>Anything in your favour, forget about it.
>>>
>>Most of you generalizing the recruiters as total liars, this is not
>>true, they are not liars, on the other hand, they don't have to tell you
>>everything, just like your average salesman on the street. They don't
>>have to tell you negative sides of the service at all, they have a job
>>to do. Most here are quick to judge, how come you don't feel the same
>>thing for your average salesman at the mall, at best buy, at your car
>>dealer, etc etc. Noone should knock on their recruiter's door without
>>prior research. I have had no problems with my recruiter, whenever he
>>said something, I researched and if he was wrong I correted him, I got
>>everything I wanted, plus my specialty field. Everyone was happy. Give
>>them a break!
>
> You said it yourself. The recruiter/user car sales weenie/sales
> weenies in general all have a job to do. Sell. To do so, they'll
> tell you what you want to hear. Are all sales weenies like this?
> Nope, but there are enough of 'em to make everyone a bit pessimistic
> when it comes to what spills out of their mouths.

Which made my job (as a salesman in the 80's) harder than it needed to be. I
still managed to retire at 38 though and I can still sleep at night, knowing
I never lied (even by ommission) to a single customer.


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>
>

[Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB]

Beav wrote:

> Left arm or left leg?


None, just be smart before you go in the service.

[Beav]

"Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB" > wrote in message eenews.net...
Beav wrote:
Left arm or left leg?


None, just be smart before you go in the service.

I got smart BEFORE I went in the service. Result was I DIDN'T go in the service, I stayed a civvy and made somemoney instead.

And would you mind please dropping the HTML, as it's not the correct or accepted way to post to Usenet?


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[Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB]

Beav wrote:

> I got smart BEFORE I went in the service. Result was I DIDN'T go
> in the service, I stayed a civvy and made somemoney instead.
>
Well, good for you and you talk about yourself, let others decide for
themselves, you are not 100% correct, or the recruiters/service whatnot
100% wrong...

>
> And would you mind please dropping the HTML, as it's not the
> correct or accepted way to post to Usenet?
>
Sorry I don't know how, it must be a military thing. We are not that smart.

[Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB]

The OTHER Kevin in San Diego wrote:

>OK, that horse is long dead. Whipping it isn't going to make it pull
>your wagon. (Now if you want to whip your pony in private, I don't
>want to hear about it. hehehe)
>
>
Ok whatever... I was responding to his comment, say whatever gets you
off I guess, despite what we have said here, a lot of people are still
enlisting and serving their country, whether this makes them dumb or not.

>
>You're using Thunderbird. Look in the online help. Or look on the
>Mozilla web page. God forbid you actually TRY to figure it out..
>
>
That was actually sarcasm, and you actually tried not to understand it,
we operate multi million dollar aircraft, cut us some slack will ya? I
know what I am using and I can see what other people are using and never
got bitched at because of HTML before as I post on 6 different groups. I
find it quite impressive though due to my defense for military
recruiters, I am being personally attacked here.

[Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB]

The OTHER Kevin in San Diego wrote:

>
>See the smiley? That means it was in jest. Obviously you didn't get
>it.. (And your comment below makes it all the more funny) My point
>was (Which you also missed) the point had been made over and over and
>had been responded to over and over. The horse is dead...
>
>
Nope sorry there aren't any smileys. You just had a good time yourself
talking about whipping my pony in private. Really something that relates
to intelligent discussion.
Ok the point was made, I brought up a counter point, and also made a
suggestion, but following this, there was an impression that people who
enlist don't act smart before
they sign up. I didn't call for that remark with my suggestion. Enough
said, I responded to it accordingly.

>
>Sounded more like a big "FU" to me... "I don't care if I'm posting in
>HTML and I'm not going to bother trying to change it."
>
>
Haven't said such thing, as a matter of fact, after the whining I
clicked my thunderbird option "send plain text only"

>
>and this relates to this thread how??
>
>
Relates to the thread as much as whipping my pony in private. It was
though a response to the remarks you have made on the usage of thunderbird.

>
>Since usenet was "born" plain text has been the accepted format.
>Non-HTML compatible newsreaders (and there are folks out there who
>still use them) can't decode the markup so we all get to see the
>garbage surrounding the pertinent text.
>
>
Sorry I wasn't following usenet since it was "born", I don't have many
options, I can only send plain text only and if it doesn't work, feel
free to ignore.

>
>Personally attacked? I guess voicing one's opinion is a personal
>attack.. Gotta love usenet.. You're free to misinterpret anything
>you want...
>
>
I don't need your remarks such as "God forbid you try to figure out". If
you are going to voice your opinion, do it in a civil manner and with
due respect.

[Beav]

"Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB" > wrote in message eenews.net...
Beav wrote:
I got smart BEFORE I went in the service. Result was I DIDN'T go in the service, I stayed a civvy and made somemoney instead.
Well, good for you and you talk about yourself, let others decide for themselves, you are not 100% correct, or the recruiters/service whatnot 100% wrong...

A done deal days ago that.



And would you mind please dropping the HTML, as it's not the correct or accepted way to post to Usenet?
Sorry I don't know how, it must be a military thing. We are not that smart.

I'll give you that.


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[Beav]

"Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB" > wrote in
message eenews.net...
> The OTHER Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
>>OK, that horse is long dead. Whipping it isn't going to make it pull
>>your wagon. (Now if you want to whip your pony in private, I don't
>>want to hear about it. hehehe)
>>
> Ok whatever... I was responding to his comment, say whatever gets you off
> I guess, despite what we have said here, a lot of people are still
> enlisting and serving their country, whether this makes them dumb or not.
>
>>
>>You're using Thunderbird. Look in the online help. Or look on the
>>Mozilla web page. God forbid you actually TRY to figure it out..
>>
> That was actually sarcasm, and you actually tried not to understand it, we
> operate multi million dollar aircraft, cut us some slack will ya? I know
> what I am using and I can see what other people are using and never got
> bitched at because of HTML before as I post on 6 different groups. I find
> it quite impressive though due to my defense for military recruiters, I am
> being personally attacked here.

You're not being attacked. I wonder if this sort of thinking goes right to
the top of the military chain. Maybe even as high as the CIC? I believe it
does, because even HE sees a few words as "an attack" and goes balls to the
wall to "protect "his" nation and citizens". In fact, he goes to WAR.


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[Beav]

"Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB" > wrote in
message eenews.net...
> The OTHER Kevin in San Diego wrote:
>
>>
>>See the smiley? That means it was in jest. Obviously you didn't get
>>it.. (And your comment below makes it all the more funny) My point
>>was (Which you also missed) the point had been made over and over and
>>had been responded to over and over. The horse is dead...
>>
> Nope sorry there aren't any smileys. You just had a good time yourself
> talking about whipping my pony in private. Really something that relates
> to intelligent discussion.
> Ok the point was made, I brought up a counter point, and also made a
> suggestion, but following this, there was an impression that people who
> enlist don't act smart before
> they sign up.

There may have been an inference, but ONLY that. Just because *I* didn't sin
up doesn't make everyone who does "not smart". it just makes me smarter. IMO
of course.

And thank you for sorting out the HTML thing. That's appreciated.


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[Chiropractor1]

I spent 17 years in the military, 6 years Navy and 11 years Army. While
in the Navy I went to an Army aviation post to cross over services into
the WO flight program. I was told that I had to be an E5 minimum to
qualify (I was), as well as take a battery of tests on flight. The stack
of study books they gave me stood several feet tall lying on their side!
As far as the argument about recruiters - if you ask questions, they
will give you appropriate honest answers. If they do not, they are far
more liable than the average grunt. Recruiters are held to a much higher
standard than most of the rest of the enlisted, precisely because of the
generalized opinions like have been stated here. Misleading
prospective recruits can result in very severe penalties, including
article 15 bust. I was never mislead by recruiters, and in fact they
were very helpful in getting me what I wanted. It is in their best
interests to do so - you are more likely to be a happy camper and sign
up/stay in/ not be a problem in boot, etc. If you talk to a recruiter
and he intentionally misleads you, you have a number of options to
pursue, none of which will result in a pleasant ride for the recruiter.
And as far as salesmen; if it weren't for them, how would you buy
anything? There are unscrupulous people in every profession that exists,
but they are in the very tiny minority. You only hear about them,
unfortunately, because all the honest ones aren't "newsworthy".

[B-Rad]

ok dude, everybody said there 2 cents worth...here's from somebody on the
inside...
First thing you have to do is find a recruiter that will work with you. You
can go through basic as an E-5. I had a high school to flight school guy in
my basic training class 13 years ago. It can be done. You CAN get in
straight to WOFT, but the trick is, as I said before, to find a recruiter
who will do what is neccessary, and it is a lot of paperwork. There ARE good
recruiters out there. There are also BAD ones...do some research, and don't
join unless you see what you want in your contract. If that involves you
walking out of the MEPS station, then do what's right for you. They can't do
**** to you until you swear in before you ship to basic. Don't let them BS
you.

....Good luck dude, and hopefully we'll see you during preflight one of these
days.

Brad



> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hello
>
> I am a 32 year old private fixed wing pilot. An army recruiter
> promised to get me into Fort Rucker if I joined. Here is the problem -
> after the boot camp I will still be an E3, to go to WOFT one must be an
> E5 or better. Question-- can they put in my contract that I am going to
> Fort Rucker upon completing boot camp?
>