zoom's zooming againZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

Here's a quote from yesterdays ANN article:

"ANN's Jim Campbell, flying an R-44 helo (which is
proving to be an impressive load-hauler, even in the
oppressive heat) in outlying disaster areas..."

What a hoot he's got them convinced at the home office that he's flying relief
missions in a R-44 . Bet he was getting a free ride in one for an article and
wasn't even flying solo let alone flying "loads" as he's implying. Our hero :-)
I bet jauns swooning LOL!!

Sorry but this was just too funny to pass up.

See ya

Chuck (never been a hero) S

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> Here's a quote from yesterdays ANN article:
>
> "ANN's Jim Campbell, flying an R-44 helo (which is
> proving to be an impressive load-hauler, even in the
> oppressive heat) in outlying disaster areas..."
>
> What a hoot he's got them convinced at the home office that he's flying relief
> missions in a R-44 . Bet he was getting a free ride in one for an article and
> wasn't even flying solo let alone flying "loads" as he's implying. Our hero :-)
> I bet jauns swooning LOL!!
>
> Sorry but this was just too funny to pass up.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (never been a hero) S
>
> "credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s
>
Ooh, I'm impressed. Did the liar..oops..zoom publish pictures of
himself administering aid or performing rescues under fire?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Here's a quote from yesterdays ANN article:
>
> "ANN's Jim Campbell, flying an R-44 helo (which is
> proving to be an impressive load-hauler, even in the
> oppressive heat) in outlying disaster areas..."
>
> What a hoot he's got them convinced at the home office that he's flying
> relief
> missions in a R-44 . Bet he was getting a free ride in one for an article
> and
> wasn't even flying solo let alone flying "loads" as he's implying. Our
> hero :-)
> I bet jauns swooning LOL!!
>
> Sorry but this was just too funny to pass up.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (never been a hero) S

You got that right, you never have been and never will be, you only
eliminate them, not become them. So what are you doing to help the victims
of Katrina? Sitting on your fat ass at home, wondering how you're going to
fight that lawsuit, or trying to come up with better, improved ways of
claiming that people die because they forget to install the
"optional/required" fuselage cover? That autopsy report must have hit you
like the proverbial ton of bricks!

Too hypocritical to pass up, putz.

Juan

[Kyle Boatright]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Here's a quote from yesterdays ANN article:
>>
>> "ANN's Jim Campbell, flying an R-44 helo (which is
>> proving to be an impressive load-hauler, even in the
>> oppressive heat) in outlying disaster areas..."
>>
>> What a hoot he's got them convinced at the home office that he's flying
>> relief
>> missions in a R-44 . Bet he was getting a free ride in one for an article
>> and
>> wasn't even flying solo let alone flying "loads" as he's implying. Our
>> hero :-)
>> I bet jauns swooning LOL!!
>>
>> Sorry but this was just too funny to pass up.
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck (never been a hero) S
>
> You got that right, you never have been and never will be, you only
> eliminate them, not become them. So what are you doing to help the victims
> of Katrina? Sitting on your fat ass at home, wondering how you're going to
> fight that lawsuit, or trying to come up with better, improved ways of
> claiming that people die because they forget to install the
> "optional/required" fuselage cover? That autopsy report must have hit you
> like the proverbial ton of bricks!
>
> Too hypocritical to pass up, putz.
>
> Juan

Juan,

I commend you on your ability to avoid the salient point:

Did the Zoomer participate in relief efforts or did he intentionally mislead
ANN's readers? Enquiring minds and all that.

KB

[[email protected]]

Hey Chuck;

I hope the mooz doesn't get shot flying relief into the hurricane
Katrina. He really doesn't have a very good record in the relief/rescue
area. Remember him being shot in the leg rescueing the girl from being
raped, shot in the back flying relief in Africa. Also we cannot forget
the shrapnel in the jaw from Viet Nam. That was probably from My Lai
saving those people as he is the one that know the true story of that
incedent.

I think that it is a given that the B.S. artist zzzoom and his
designated ass kisser juan have never put it on the line to benefit
anyone. They are both cowards and can only talk , they will never walk
the walk.

Frank M. Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I think that it is a given that the B.S. artist zzzoom and his
> designated ass kisser juan have never put it on the line to benefit
> anyone. They are both cowards and can only talk, they will never walk
> the walk.
>
> Frank M. Hitlaw
> Jakarta, Indonesia

http://www.bd5.com/images/Parris_Island_1978.jpg

You have just been bitch-slapped, punk. Gather your dress, put away the high
heels in your pink purse and git! <chuckle> :)

Juan

[Jerry Springer]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>> I think that it is a given that the B.S. artist zzzoom and his
>>designated ass kisser juan have never put it on the line to benefit
>>anyone. They are both cowards and can only talk, they will never walk
>>the walk.
>>
>> Frank M. Hitlaw
>> Jakarta, Indonesia
>
>
> http://www.bd5.com/images/Parris_Island_1978.jpg
>
> You have just been bitch-slapped, punk. Gather your dress, put away the high
> heels in your pink purse and git! <chuckle> :)
>
> Juan
>
>
Juan, that is a really sad story on your web page about you getting
fired from your job on the mainland because you wanted to move to
Puerto Rico. <http://www.bd5.com/bd00002.htm> The story I found really
funny is the one about your mom not even believing the stories you tell,
so if your mom does not believe your stories how can you expect the rest
of us to? LOL!!!

Jerry

[Juan Jimenez]

"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>> I think that it is a given that the B.S. artist zzzoom and his
>>>designated ass kisser juan have never put it on the line to benefit
>>>anyone. They are both cowards and can only talk, they will never walk
>>>the walk.
>>>
>>> Frank M. Hitlaw
>>> Jakarta, Indonesia
>>
>>
>> http://www.bd5.com/images/Parris_Island_1978.jpg
>>
>> You have just been bitch-slapped, punk. Gather your dress, put away the
>> high heels in your pink purse and git! <chuckle> :)
>>
>> Juan
> Juan, that is a really sad story on your web page about you getting
> fired from your job on the mainland because you wanted to move to
> Puerto Rico. <http://www.bd5.com/bd00002.htm> The story I found really
> funny is the one about your mom not even believing the stories you tell,
> so if your mom does not believe your stories how can you expect the rest
> of us to? LOL!!!
>
> Jerry

See, that's where your lack of ability to comprehend even the most simple
sentence structures stands out, Jerry. How many times do I have to remind
you that you keep confusing me with someone who gives a **** what you think
about me, or whether or not you believe me? :)

But hey, that's par for the RAH gaggle of all-bark-no-bite swabs like you.
<chuckle>

Juan

[john smith]

Juan, is Rio Piedras south of Hato Rey?

[[email protected]]

So big deal you were in the Marines. Were you ever under fire,
probably not? Have any combat awards or decorations? (for the record I
do) Will you ever fly your BD5, probably not? Will you ever do
anything that doesn't involve having your lips planted on zzzoom's ass,
probably not? As for bitch slapping me your bull****ting hero has had
plenty of chances to try but, he always ran away from me or called the
police. One time he tried to bait me into starting a fight when he had
several friends around by saying that I "was a fat mommas boy" and
after that he ran away from me what does that make him. He once bought
a gun saying that he was afraid of me and I was a thousand miles away
from him. Like I said two can talk the talk but you will never walk the
walk. I still think you and the liar in chief of ann are cowards.

[Juan Jimenez]

Sort of. You're referring to neighborhoods that are both part of the
municipality of San Juan. IMO over the years it's become damn near
impossible to tell where one starts and the other ends, just as with all the
other neighborhoods.

"john smith" > wrote in message
. ..
> Juan, is Rio Piedras south of Hato Rey?

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> So big deal you were in the Marines. Were you ever under fire,
> probably not? Have any combat awards or decorations? (for the record I
> do)

What did they give you, the good conduct medal for making sure the latrines
were always clean? Or was it mess duty? Let's just I am not impressed by
decorated Haitian airline maintenance directors... <chuckle>

> As for bitch slapping me your bull****ting hero has had plenty of chances
> to try...

I could care less about that. You want to get your bitch slap in _person_?
No problem! Send me an email with the info when your flight gets into San
Juan. I'll met you at the airport and be more than happy to oblige, chump.
I'll even wheel you back into the airplane for your return flight.

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

wrote:

> So big deal you were in the Marines. Were you ever under fire,
> probably not? Have any combat awards or decorations? (for the record I
> do) Will you ever fly your BD5, probably not? Will you ever do
> anything that doesn't involve having your lips planted on zzzoom's ass,
> probably not? As for bitch slapping me your bull****ting hero has had
> plenty of chances to try but, he always ran away from me or called the
> police. One time he tried to bait me into starting a fight when he had
> several friends around by saying that I "was a fat mommas boy" and
> after that he ran away from me what does that make him. He once bought
> a gun saying that he was afraid of me and I was a thousand miles away
> from him. Like I said two can talk the talk but you will never walk the
> walk. I still think you and the liar in chief of ann are cowards.
>

I doubt he was ever in the Marines. I have known many Marines and
not one has ever displayed the level of immaturity yawn has. Besides, I
wonder how many J. Jiminezes go through Parris Island every year. Then
again if he had gone to the island how many blanket parties would he
have recieved before being thrown out?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

I am not Haitian, however I was once a director of maintenance of a
US FAR 129 airline based in Haiti. What position of aviation
management have either you or you hero ever held ? That is other than
his imagined position as a JAL 747 captain.
I would put the ball back in your court and say e-mail me with your
flight info into Jakarta and I deliver the bitch slap personally. But I
know that being unemployed you can't afford the ticket so I will leave
that there. I guess you will have to wait till Oshkosh or Sun N Fun
for your chance. Then we will see if you can beat zzzzooms record
sprint to the security office.
I said COMBAT medals, I have Combat Assault time in a UH1C gunship
and "V" devices on my medals. What did you get, dishpan hands ?

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta ,Indonesia

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...

>You got that right, you never have been and never will be, you only
>eliminate them, not become them. So what are you doing to help the victims
>of Katrina? Sitting on your fat ass at home, wondering how you're going to
>fight that lawsuit, or trying to come up with better, improved ways of
>claiming that people die because they forget to install the
>"optional/required" fuselage cover? That autopsy report must have hit you
>like the proverbial ton of bricks!
>
>Too hypocritical to pass up, putz.

Hey pucho if I thought for a minute you had any credibility I might be
concerned, but even zoom kicked you off the ANN masthead.Go play with your goat
and pretend your gonna fly your BD jaun dart..


Chuck(I actually flew what I built)S

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...

> Then we will see if you can beat zzzzooms record
>sprint to the security office.

or zooms sprint record running to the cops when we were eating his chicken at
the famous " stolen BBQ chicken" affair at SnF LOL!! I don't think jaun is as
fast as zoom but I might be wrong especially when he's scared!


> I said COMBAT medals, I have Combat Assault time in a UH1C gunship
>and "V" devices on my medals.

and for that Frank you have my admiration, respect and gratitude.


> What did you get, dishpan hands ?

Maybe he was a PLO (permanent latrine orderly) or a member of DAT (Dishwasher
assault team) that could explain his jealousy towards those who actually walked
the walk.Like his hero zoom ,all sizzle no bacon.

See ya

Chuck (proud member of the SnF chicken thieves assn)S

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Jerry Springer says...
>Juan, that is a really sad story on your web page about you getting
>fired from your job on the mainland because you wanted to move to
>Puerto Rico.

That might be the "official" reason but just maybe they have been following his
high jinx's on the net and don't want a person of his caliber to represent
them..Hmmmmm

> The story I found really
>funny is the one about your mom not even believing the stories you tell,
>so if your mom does not believe your stories how can you expect the rest
>of us to? LOL!!!

I bet even his mom said "credibility jaun ,it's all about credibility". LOL!!

Chuck( ..and the truth comes out) S

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I am not Haitian, however I was once a director of maintenance of a
> US FAR 129 airline based in Haiti. What position of aviation
> management have either you or you hero ever held ? That is other than
> his imagined position as a JAL 747 captain.

It wasn't for a Haitian "airline," that's for damn sure. LMAO! What did you
manage, voodoo maintenance? My management time was in a real airline,
American Eagle. :)

> I would put the ball back in your court and say e-mail me with your
> flight info into Jakarta and I deliver the bitch slap personally.

Hmm that's a pretty wide yellow stripe. Unfortunately for you, there is no
ball, just the indentations of five fingers and a palm on your face. BTW,
was that crash in Indonesia one of yours? Victim of voodoo maintenance too?
:)

> I said COMBAT medals, I have Combat Assault time in a UH1C gunship
> and "V" devices on my medals.

Combat assault _time_? ROLFMAO! HAHAHAHAH! Assaulting what, putz, a hooch?
:)

Juan

[Juan Jimenez]

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:ZZJSe.8681$dm.4266@lakeread03...
> wrote:
>
> I doubt he was ever in the Marines.

Clueless as ever. :) Get over it, Frisbee.

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>>You got that right, you never have been and never will be, you only
>>eliminate them, not become them. So what are you doing to help the victims
>>of Katrina? Sitting on your fat ass at home, wondering how you're going to
>>fight that lawsuit, or trying to come up with better, improved ways of
>>claiming that people die because they forget to install the
>>"optional/required" fuselage cover? That autopsy report must have hit you
>>like the proverbial ton of bricks!
>>
>>Too hypocritical to pass up, putz.
>
> Hey pucho if I thought for a minute you had any credibility...

And who gives a **** what you think? Enjoying your new found fame? LMAO!

Juan

[Kyle Boatright]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >, Juan Jimenez
>> says...
>>
>>>You got that right, you never have been and never will be, you only
>>>eliminate them, not become them. So what are you doing to help the
>>>victims
>>>of Katrina? Sitting on your fat ass at home, wondering how you're going
>>>to
>>>fight that lawsuit, or trying to come up with better, improved ways of
>>>claiming that people die because they forget to install the
>>>"optional/required" fuselage cover? That autopsy report must have hit you
>>>like the proverbial ton of bricks!
>>>
>>>Too hypocritical to pass up, putz.
>>
>> Hey pucho if I thought for a minute you had any credibility...
>
> And who gives a **** what you think? Enjoying your new found fame? LMAO!
>
> Juan


I think Chuck was named to the Ultralight Hall of Fame because he was
already famous due to his long successsful work in the industry. That's how
it works.

Some people, on the other hand, have become infamous by being a toadies for
ANN, with a sideline of trolling on newsgroups.

It's all about credibility (and making good choices).

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Kyle Boatright says...

>>> Hey pucho if I thought for a minute you had any credibility...
>>
>> And who gives a **** what you think? Enjoying your new found fame? LMAO!
>>
>> Juan
>
>
>I think Chuck was named to the Ultralight Hall of Fame because he was
>already famous due to his long successsful work in the industry. That's how
>it works.
>
>Some people, on the other hand, have become infamous by being a toadies for
>ANN, with a sideline of trolling on newsgroups.
>
>It's all about credibility (and making good choices).


Thanks Kyle .I think jauns statement

>>" Enjoying your new found fame? LMAO!
>> Juan"

says it all, only a person of the lowest moral and ethical standards would find
enjoyment in anothers tragic death. Karma has a funny way of taking care of
people like him, so I'm just waiting for jauns turn....Even zoom showed more
class in this affair.

See ya

Chuck S

"there are stupid people and people who act stupid,the stupid ones can't help
it" .... chuck s

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Chuck: I liked your: "All sizzle and no bacon" Another one that sticks in
my mind was " All Hat and no cows"

--Stu Fields


"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> says...
>
> > Then we will see if you can beat zzzzooms record
> >sprint to the security office.
>
> or zooms sprint record running to the cops when we were eating his chicken
at
> the famous " stolen BBQ chicken" affair at SnF LOL!! I don't think jaun is
as
> fast as zoom but I might be wrong especially when he's scared!
>
>
> > I said COMBAT medals, I have Combat Assault time in a UH1C gunship
> >and "V" devices on my medals.
>
> and for that Frank you have my admiration, respect and gratitude.
>
>
> > What did you get, dishpan hands ?
>
> Maybe he was a PLO (permanent latrine orderly) or a member of DAT
(Dishwasher
> assault team) that could explain his jealousy towards those who actually
walked
> the walk.Like his hero zoom ,all sizzle no bacon.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (proud member of the SnF chicken thieves assn)S
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Stuart &
Kathryn Fields says...
>
>Chuck: I liked your: "All sizzle and no bacon" Another one that sticks in
>my mind was " All Hat and no cows"
>
>--Stu Fields


That's a good one too .Here's one I just made up "all gun no bullets", or "all
car ,no engine",or "all bark,no bite" or, or ..... :-)

Chuck(I am what I am) S

[RST Engineering]

The girls in Reno say, "Great big belt buckle, little tiny pecker."

Jim


"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Stuart &
> Kathryn Fields says...
>>
>>Chuck: I liked your: "All sizzle and no bacon" Another one that sticks in
>>my mind was " All Hat and no cows"
>>
>>--Stu Fields

>
> That's a good one too .Here's one I just made up "all gun no bullets", or
> "all
> car ,no engine",or "all bark,no bite" or, or ..... :-)
>
> Chuck(I am what I am) S
>

[Darrel Toepfer]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> Karma has a funny way of taking care of people like him, so I'm just
> waiting for jauns turn....

Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these
<>really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's
like, a serious bummer.

[[email protected]]

You seem really good at trying to throw the blame for aircraft
accidents at first Chuck then myself. In this case you really need to
get your facts together. PK-RIM was owned by Mandala and only they were
responsible for its maintenance and operation. Mandala leased a couple
of planes from our company but the contract was for only a short term
and expired about a year ago. I could provide more facts in this matter
but you and zzzoom never seem to let facts get in the way of what you
decide to write.

Once again what combat decorations do you have please tell us. And
yes I have assaulted a hootch,also bunkers and troops in the open among
other things. What have you assaulted,anything? Ever hear a Soviet
130mm round coming in on you, 82 mm mortar or a 122 rocket? I have,
stuff you and the other ann or in your case ex ann toadies dream about.
You are exceptionally brave behind a keyboard we will see how ballsy
you are when our paths cross and I promise you they will.

If you don't know an FAR 129 airline has exactly the same FAA
regulations as a 121 operator. The only difference is ownership, the
planes have N registration and the crews are all U.S. licenced and
rated. Again we mustn't let facts get in the way of your thinking. A
real airline I thought Eagle was a commuter,why aren't you still there?
The Eagle mechanics at Miami used to come begging for me to hire them.
I think that they were making about ten or eleven bucks an hour pretty
much the same as I paid my mechanics helpers.

Chuck is 100% correct when he says it's about credibility. I will add
that it shows the maturity and sense of decency that you have when you
dance on the graves of people that died in plane crashes.Just to make a
feeble attempt to bring others down to your sick level.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> says it all, only a person of the lowest moral and ethical standards would
> find
> enjoyment in anothers tragic death.

And only a proven lowlife like you would try to blame it on the pilot when
its obvious the pilot did nothing wrong.

[Juan Jimenez]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
>
> I think Chuck was named to the Ultralight Hall of Fame because he was
> already famous due to his long successsful work in the industry. That's
> how it works.

New found fame, Kyle. Look it up in the dictionary. Very few people knew him
when he was put into the Hall (incorrectly, IMO). Orders of magnitude more
people know him now that one of his airplanes killed a billionaire war hero
who loved to help kids get good educations.

As to your opinion of me, it's shared by what, half a dozen putzes on this
newsgroup? ROFL! Just on my mailing list alone I have 400+ people who could
care less what planet you live on, let alone who you are. Get my drift? :)

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> You seem really good at trying to throw the blame for aircraft
> accidents at first Chuck then myself.

And you seem pretty good at talking out your ass about people you don't know
and things of which you don't have a clue, then thinking you're going to
impress anyone with your bull**** about riding a helo in the war and having
"combat time". That's precisely why you're just another clueless twit to me,
someone who is so insecure about himself you have to flaunt your bull****
medals as if you were some hot**** war hero. You know why I could give a
rat's ass about your medals? Because I worked in SAR for the majority of my
time in the Corps, at SOES in MCAS Cherry Point, and the point of what I did
was to save lives, not to take them and not to boast about getting shot at,
you ****ant putz. My medals are the people our squadron saved to live
another day, people like the little preemie and her hemorraging mom who were
able to be evacuated to a hospital with better facilities because I was able
to correct an APU problem on an CH-46 between the time they announced Launch
Pedro and the time the ambulances came screaming down the ramp. I value that
a lot more than I value your bigshot claims of shooting hooches and
measuring rounds as they flew past your punk ass.

> In this case you really need to...

Don't care what you think I need to or not do.

> You are exceptionally brave behind a keyboard we will see how ballsy
> you are when our paths cross and I promise you they will.

I'm looking forward to that, schmuck. You know how to get a hold of me.

Juan

[UltraJohn]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> New found fame, Kyle. Look it up in the dictionary. Very few people knew
> him when he was put into the Hall (incorrectly, IMO). Orders of magnitude
> more people know him now that one of his airplanes killed a billionaire
> war hero who loved to help kids get good educations.
>
>
************************************************** ***********************
"According to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the pilot was in
communication with the JAC air traffic control tower during the accident
flight. The pilot did not report any problems. Recorded weather at JAC just
prior to the accident indicated the wind from 180 degrees at 4 knots, clear
skies, and a temperature of 66 degrees Fahrenheit.

The airplane impacted sage brush-covered flat terrain approximately 575 feet
west of Highway 89, and 3/4-mile north of the approach end of runway 19.
The airplane wreckage was transported to a vacant hangar at JAC for further
examination by the NTSB. The airplane was equipped with a Hirth 3701 engine
rated at 100 horsepower. Initial examination of the wreckage did not reveal
any obvious indications of pre-impact mechanical malfunctions with the
airframe, engine, or systems. There was no evidence of fire, explosion, or
in-flight structural failure. Control cable continuity for all flight
controls was established. A global positioning system (GPS) receiver was
found in the wreckage; it has been sent to the Safety Board's recorder
laboratory in Washington DC for possible non-volatile memory extraction of
flight path, altitude, and ground speed data."
************************************************** ************************


It appears from the FAA's preliminary investigation that the accident was
not the fault of the aircraft's controls etc etc. Personally my opinion is
he was dead before the plane hit the ground, otherwise how would such an
experience pilot not even communicate a problem with ATC who he was in
contact with?

[Matt Whiting]

RST Engineering wrote:
> The girls in Reno say, "Great big belt buckle, little tiny pecker."

And how, Jim, would you know this? :-)

Matt

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>> You seem really good at trying to throw the blame for aircraft
>>accidents at first Chuck then myself.
>
>
> And you seem pretty good at talking out your ass about people you don't know
> and things of which you don't have a clue, then thinking you're going to
> impress anyone with your bull**** about riding a helo in the war and having
> "combat time". That's precisely why you're just another clueless twit to me,
> someone who is so insecure about himself you have to flaunt your bull****
> medals as if you were some hot**** war hero. You know why I could give a
> rat's ass about your medals? Because I worked in SAR for the majority of my
> time in the Corps, at SOES in MCAS Cherry Point, and the point of what I did
> was to save lives, not to take them and not to boast about getting shot at,
> you ****ant putz. My medals are the people our squadron saved to live
> another day, people like the little preemie and her hemorraging mom who were
> able to be evacuated to a hospital with better facilities because I was able
> to correct an APU problem on an CH-46 between the time they announced Launch
> Pedro and the time the ambulances came screaming down the ramp. I value that
> a lot more than I value your bigshot claims of shooting hooches and
> measuring rounds as they flew past your punk ass.
>]


Translation: if yawn actually served he was a wrench bender who
stayed on the ground while better men flew the missions. Yawn's combat
time was fighting B girls in clubs and being defeated every time. That's
if anyone believes he was in the Marines.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[wmbjk]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:32:16 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>As to your opinion of me, it's shared by what, half a dozen putzes on this
>newsgroup?

So glad you asked! Put me down as one who believes that on top of
everything else, you never learned how to count properly.

Wayne

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> says it all, only a person of the lowest moral and ethical standards would
>> find
>> enjoyment in anothers tragic death.
>
>And only a proven lowlife like you would try to blame it on the pilot when
>its obvious the pilot did nothing wrong.

Oh!! so now you know more then the NTSB.I better call them and let them know
you've already got it all figured out and they better stop wasting their
time..Sheesh

Chuck S

"there are jerks and then there are JERKS"

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article et>, UltraJohn
says...
>
>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> New found fame, Kyle. Look it up in the dictionary. Very few people knew
>> him when he was put into the Hall (incorrectly, IMO). Orders of magnitude
>> more people know him now that one of his airplanes killed a billionaire
>> war hero who loved to help kids get good educations.
>>
>>
>************************************************** ***********************
>"According to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the pilot was in
>communication with the JAC air traffic control tower during the accident
>flight. The pilot did not report any problems. Recorded weather at JAC just
>prior to the accident indicated the wind from 180 degrees at 4 knots, clear
>skies, and a temperature of 66 degrees Fahrenheit.
>
>The airplane impacted sage brush-covered flat terrain approximately 575 feet
>west of Highway 89, and 3/4-mile north of the approach end of runway 19.
>The airplane wreckage was transported to a vacant hangar at JAC for further
>examination by the NTSB. The airplane was equipped with a Hirth 3701 engine
>rated at 100 horsepower. Initial examination of the wreckage did not reveal
>any obvious indications of pre-impact mechanical malfunctions with the
>airframe, engine, or systems. There was no evidence of fire, explosion, or
>in-flight structural failure. Control cable continuity for all flight
>controls was established. A global positioning system (GPS) receiver was
>found in the wreckage; it has been sent to the Safety Board's recorder
>laboratory in Washington DC for possible non-volatile memory extraction of
>flight path, altitude, and ground speed data."
>************************************************** ************************
>
>
>It appears from the FAA's preliminary investigation that the accident was
>not the fault of the aircraft's controls etc etc. Personally my opinion is
>he was dead before the plane hit the ground, otherwise how would such an
>experience pilot not even communicate a problem with ATC who he was in
>contact with?


John
There's a lot jaun doesn't know but that doesn't stop him from spouting off. As
Sister Mary Holy Smoke used to say "an empty can makes the most noise" and jaun
is proving the good Sister right.
I'm heading out to Jackson Hole to meet with the NTSB next week and give what
ever assistance I can.

See ya

Chuck S
>
>

[Kyle Boatright]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I think Chuck was named to the Ultralight Hall of Fame because he was
>> already famous due to his long successsful work in the industry. That's
>> how it works.
>
> New found fame, Kyle. Look it up in the dictionary. Very few people knew
> him when he was put into the Hall (incorrectly, IMO). Orders of magnitude
> more people know him now that one of his airplanes killed a billionaire
> war hero who loved to help kids get good educations.

And the Beatles and Rolling Stones went into the Rock and Roll Hall of fame
before they were famous, eh? Nice try, but it don't play in the big city.

>
> As to your opinion of me, it's shared by what, half a dozen putzes on this
> newsgroup? ROFL! Just on my mailing list alone I have 400+ people who
> could care less what planet you live on, let alone who you are. Get my
> drift? :)

You're right, my opinion of you is probably shared by half a dozen or so
putzes on this newsgroup. The rest of the group isn't quite as charitable
towards you.

KB

[RST Engineering]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> RST Engineering wrote:


>> The girls in Reno say, "Great big belt buckle, little tiny pecker."
>
> And how, Jim, would you know this? :-)

Reno (Washoe County NV) and Grass Valley (Nevada County CA) share a common
border and a common history. The last semilegal (the cops looked the other
way) cathouse in Grass Valley was Barrelhouse Bessie's; the cops shut them
down about 40 years ago. There are still a dozen "quiet" houses in Grass
Valley where a gentleman can get a drink and the lead removed from his
pencil if you know what I mean.

Barrelhouse Bessie's is still a restaurant where you can get a tour of the
upstairs rooms if you know the owner.

Local flathat miners with a short claim on the river are taking millions of
untaxed gold out of the rivers every year in this county.

Jim (tiny little belt buckle, great long and thick ...)

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Darrel Toepfer says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
>> Karma has a funny way of taking care of people like him, so I'm just
> > waiting for jauns turn....
>
>Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these
><>really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's
>like, a serious bummer.

WOW!! far out man, you really got it together know what I mean ?like it's cosmic
and then all the clouds melt and like it floods then some really tripped out guy
like comes and gets everybody and..... :-)

Chuck( far out) S

[Darrel Toepfer]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> WOW!! far out man, you really got it together know what I mean ?like it's cosmic
> and then all the clouds melt and like it floods then some really tripped out guy
> like comes and gets everybody and..... :-)

Right on d00d!!! Congrats on the recognition, nice article in Kitplanes...

[[email protected]]

For the record this the first time that I ever said anything on the
net about being in Viet Nam. Check google you dumb ****,not hardly
flounting anything. Only the fact that there are some of us that walked
the walk. Now I'm going to get somewhat specific. One medal I recieved
was the ARCOM with V for valor. It was downgraded from a Soldiers
medal. The medal was for rescueing several Vietnamese from a burning
village caused by a fully armed VNAF F-5 that flamed out on takeoff and
crashed into the village just east of Bien Hoa. As for measuring the
rounds they really didn't fly past they landed all around us. Where
would you have been, hiding under your bunk sucking your thumb and
crying for your mommie?

You didn't answer my question why aren't you still at Eagle What was
your job there?

Make sure you wear your track shoes to Sun N Fun and Oshkosh so you
can run to security when you see me. Because I promise our paths will
cross. Then we will find just how brave you really are without a
keyboard to hide behind.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Jerry Springer]

wrote:
> For the record this the first time that I ever said anything on the
> net about being in Viet Nam. Check google you dumb ****,not hardly
> flounting anything. Only the fact that there are some of us that walked
> the walk. Now I'm going to get somewhat specific. One medal I recieved
> was the ARCOM with V for valor. It was downgraded from a Soldiers
> medal. The medal was for rescueing several Vietnamese from a burning
> village caused by a fully armed VNAF F-5 that flamed out on takeoff and
> crashed into the village just east of Bien Hoa. As for measuring the
> rounds they really didn't fly past they landed all around us. Where
> would you have been, hiding under your bunk sucking your thumb and
> crying for your mommie?
>
> You didn't answer my question why aren't you still at Eagle What was
> your job there?
>
> Make sure you wear your track shoes to Sun N Fun and Oshkosh so you
> can run to security when you see me. Because I promise our paths will
> cross. Then we will find just how brave you really are without a
> keyboard to hide behind.
>
> Frank M.Hitlaw
> Jakarta, Indonesia
>
Frank I might have crossed paths with you, I was in Bien Hoa in 1967-68.
Looking at jaun's bio on his web page I doubt he served in any conflict
or he would have said so.

Here is to you for serving in Nam.

zoom and yaun are cowards and cannot fight their own battles so they
belittle everyone else. zoom takes press reports and copies them to his
puny little web site and calls it news, juan has not said one coherent
reasonable thing as long as he has posted to rah. Listening to zoom at
Arlington this years talking about how great he is was sickening.

Jerry

[Anthony W]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> That's a good one too .Here's one I just made up "all gun no bullets", or "all
> car ,no engine",or "all bark,no bite" or, or ..... :-)
>
> Chuck(I am what I am) S
>

All horse**** and no pony...

Tony

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...

>
>So I guess Juan knows all about the Ultralight Hall of Fame, since
>Zoom was inducted there. 'Cause, everyone knows Zoom holds the
>Ultralight altitude record, and he was the first to fly coast to coast
>in an UL. So he must have been one of the very first people inducted
>there, right?

zoom's never been nominated either. I guess I pulled a lot of sheep over
people's wool to get to be included in the first induction :-) It was and still
is a great privilege to be there.

Seem's both zoom and jaun are envious of those who actually did something in
their lives rather then talk about it. Be it building and flying your own plane,
doing some feat that required a certain amount of testicular fortitude or any
number of accomplishments that neither zoom or jaun have ever attained.

So they try to attain what they can't by ripping and tearing at those who did
,hanging on to the coat tails of the successful hoping that someone will notice
them in the presence of people they wish they were.

They're Walter Mitty's living dual lives of reality and what they percieve
themselve's to be.zoom's the great aviator and pilot and jaun is this brave
macho man trying to impress with his bravado .Both are cry's for attention but
both lack the ability of doing something worthy of attention.

I used to feel sorry for people like that but in these two cases I hope they
both get what they deserve. "Credibility it was always about credibility".

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:55:12 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
> > wrote:
>
> :
> :"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
> :>
> :> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> :> ...
> :>>
> :>> I think Chuck was named to the Ultralight Hall of Fame because he was
> :>> already famous due to his long successsful work in the industry. That's
> :>> how it works.
> :>
> :> New found fame, Kyle. Look it up in the dictionary. Very few people knew
> :> him when he was put into the Hall (incorrectly, IMO). Orders of magnitude
> :> more people know him now that one of his airplanes killed a billionaire
> :> war hero who loved to help kids get good educations.
> :
> :And the Beatles and Rolling Stones went into the Rock and Roll Hall of fame
> :before they were famous, eh? Nice try, but it don't play in the big city.
>
> Well, sure. I mean, they put Pete Townsend and Roger Daltrey in, and
> when it was reported, everyone who read about it just said "Who?"
>
> Thanks, I'm here all week.
>
> So I guess Juan knows all about the Ultralight Hall of Fame, since
> Zoom was inducted there. 'Cause, everyone knows Zoom holds the
> Ultralight altitude record, and he was the first to fly coast to coast
> in an UL. So he must have been one of the very first people inducted
> there, right?

No need to be catty. You know zoom created the Ultralight Hall of
Fame and paid for it with his own money. He's just too modest to admit it.

My shovel is bigger than yours :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

Jerry;
I arrived at Bien Hoa with the 101st on 7 Dec 67 left there mid Feb
for camp Eagle. The F-5 crashed a couple of days before the tet in the
Widows Village just east of the airfield. That was exciting but not
near as exciting as the Tet that was a couple of days to remember.
There will never be an airshow to rival the F-100's dropping 500lb
bombs inside the perimeter.

Some day we will have to sit down over a cold one(something other
than muzzleloader) and find out how close we were during that period.

Frank

[Jerry Springer]

wrote:
>
> Jerry;
> I arrived at Bien Hoa with the 101st on 7 Dec 67 left there mid Feb
> for camp Eagle. The F-5 crashed a couple of days before the tet in the
> Widows Village just east of the airfield. That was exciting but not
> near as exciting as the Tet that was a couple of days to remember.
> There will never be an airshow to rival the F-100's dropping 500lb
> bombs inside the perimeter.
>
> Some day we will have to sit down over a cold one(something other
> than muzzleloader) and find out how close we were during that period.
>
> Frank
>

I just missed Tet, left Saigon two days before Tet to come home, was
pretty strange sitting at home watching tv and seeing what was going on
where I had been two days before.

Jerry

[Juan Jimenez]

"UltraJohn" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> It appears from the FAA's preliminary investigation that the accident was
> not the fault of the aircraft's controls etc etc.

And yet Chuck had no problem blaming the lack of an optional fuselage cover.
How nice of him.

> Personally my opinion is
> he was dead before the plane hit the ground, otherwise how would such an
> experience pilot not even communicate a problem with ATC who he was in
> contact with?

You haven't even bothered to read about the autopsy results. There was
nothing wrong with him.

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> John
> There's a lot jaun doesn't know but that doesn't stop him from spouting
> off.

Speaking from experience? :)

> I'm heading out to Jackson Hole to meet with the NTSB next week and give
> what
> ever assistance I can.

Ah, I see you got your priorities straight. While Jim Campbell's out flying
with Angel Flight, you're out doing the CYA dance in Wyoming.

[Juan Jimenez]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
>
> And the Beatles and Rolling Stones went into the Rock and Roll Hall of
> fame before they were famous, eh? Nice try, but it don't play in the big
> city.

I know you were raised in Podunk and still think it's big. Can't do anything
about that.

> You're right, my opinion of you is probably shared by half a dozen or so
> putzes on this newsgroup. The rest of the group isn't quite as charitable
> towards you.

Clueless and blessed with ESP. What a combination. When's the circus passing
through town? :)

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> Seem's both zoom and jaun are envious of those who actually did something
> in
> their lives rather then talk about it.

ROFL! And who would that be? :)

> So they try to attain what they can't by ripping and tearing at those who
> did
> ,hanging on to the coat tails

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's good! ROFLMAO! The drugs
are good this week, eh? :)

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> For the record this the first time that I ever said anything on the
> net about being in Viet Nam.

I don't give a damn what you said or when you said it or what medals you
think you got. You're still a putz. Soldiers who truly earn medals for valor
don't have any need to brag about it or get into prepubescent "my medals are
bigger than yours" arguments. That's how I know you ain't **** in anyone's
book.

> Make sure you wear your track shoes to Sun N Fun and Oshkosh so you...

yeah, yeah, blah blah, you keep repeating that to yourself, punk. Maybe
you'll say it enough times to work up some of that bravery. Talk is cheap.
You know where to find me, no need to wait for airshows, I'm not going
anywhere, and that yellow stripe on your back ain't gonna grow any wider, is
it?

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
>>And only a proven lowlife like you would try to blame it on the pilot when
>>its obvious the pilot did nothing wrong.
>
> Oh!! so now you know more then the NTSB.I better call them and let them
> know
> you've already got it all figured out and they better stop wasting their
> time..Sheesh

You're the one telling the media that he crashed because he didn't have the
optionally required fuselage cover. yeah, I know, you'll weasel and squirm
like a stuck pig and claim that's not what you meant. Your MO is well known.
You explain that to the NTSB.

[UltraJohn]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

>
> "UltraJohn" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> It appears from the FAA's preliminary investigation that the accident
>> was not the fault of the aircraft's controls etc etc.
>
> And yet Chuck had no problem blaming the lack of an optional fuselage
> cover. How nice of him.
>
>> Personally my opinion is
>> he was dead before the plane hit the ground, otherwise how would such an
>> experience pilot not even communicate a problem with ATC who he was in
>> contact with?
>
> You haven't even bothered to read about the autopsy results. There was
> nothing wrong with him.


1. they were not included in the NTSB report.
2. if you have a link to the report I'd be glad to read it.
3. Initial examination of the wreckage did not reveal
any obvious indications of pre-impact mechanical malfunctions with the
airframe, engine, or systems. There was no evidence of fire, explosion, or
in-flight structural failure. Control cable continuity for all flight
controls was established.

nothing you have said contradicts this.

John

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...

>You're the one telling the media that he crashed because he didn't have the
>optionally required fuselage cover. yeah, I know, you'll weasel and squirm
>like a stuck pig and claim that's not what you meant. Your MO is well known.
>You explain that to the NTSB.

OK pucho where in the media did I say that?? Give us the source. Where did I say
he crashed because he didn't have the standard equiptment fuselage cover on?
Back up what you say for once.

Chuck S

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

<snip>
>
>
> Ah, I see you got your priorities straight. While Jim Campbell's out flying
> with Angel Flight, you're out doing the CYA dance in Wyoming.

And you can prove this, I suppose.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Richard Riley wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:01:14 -0500, "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired"
> > wrote:
>
> :
> : No need to be catty. You know zoom created the Ultralight Hall of
> :Fame and paid for it with his own money. He's just too modest to admit it.
> :
> : My shovel is bigger than yours :)
> :
> :Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Umm.... No, you're wrong, Zoom is so deeply loved by everyone in
> aviation that it was just announced that there would be a Zoom
> Ultralight Hall of Fame and everyone just showed up and built it in a
> day, kind of like an Amish barn raising. So no money had to be
> spent!! Yeah, that's it! :>
>
> Your shovel may be big, but mine is tianium! http://tinyurl.com/8jh3b
>
Getting deep around here :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

I know that you don't give a damn for anything that is factual. By
the way I think that it was you that brought up how I won my medals.
Explaining how you fixed an APU to get some kind of alledged award.
Then you gushed over about how your medals were for saving a preemie
and the mother. I just wanted you to know that you didn't have a corner
on that market. I am not bragging just stating a fact but again you are
not one to let facts get in the way of what you write.

I know that you aren't going anyplace you can't afford it being
unemployed. You are the one doing all the talking so put up or just
crawl back up zzzzooms ass and shut up.

You still haven't told me what your management job was at Eagle and
why you left?

First rule of holes yaun when you are in one stop digging.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta ,Indonesia

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...
>
> I know that you don't give a damn for anything that is factual. By
>the way I think that it was you that brought up how I won my medals.
>Explaining how you fixed an APU to get some kind of alledged award.
>Then you gushed over about how your medals were for saving a preemie
>and the mother.

I don't see how a guy who was Stateside turning wrenches can equate that with a
guy who was in combat and taking fire. Even if he got an award it still doesn't
match combat awards. I can't imagine being in country and being shot at by a
bunch of people who want to kill you. jaun does a disservice to the guys that
were actually in combat by trying to say that his fixing a helo in a nice safe
enviroment was just as brave as guys taking fire. Boy does he crave attention.
What a phony.

See ya

Chuck RAH-15/1 ret

"jaun talks the talk,Frank walked the walk"...... chuck s

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <_GuTe.9727$dm.1431@lakeread03>, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired says...
>
>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>
>> Ah, I see you got your priorities straight. While Jim Campbell's out flying
>> with Angel Flight, you're out doing the CYA dance in Wyoming.
>
> And you can prove this, I suppose.

Does zoom have a current medical? I thought he wasn't current so how can he be
flying Angel missions.But then again he doesn't need an airplane to claim he's
flying mercy missions. He didn't need one in Etheopia for the mercy food flights
either:-)

Chuck(I don't believe it) S

[Steve Foley]

Can we all put together a fund to send Frank to PR with a video crew?

I would like to see:

A) Juan slap him and end up in jail for assault.

or

B) Juan not show up (more likely) and post the footage on a website, along
with a copy of Juan's threat and the e-mail stating exactly when the flight
arrives.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > So big deal you were in the Marines. Were you ever under fire,
> > probably not? Have any combat awards or decorations? (for the record I
> > do)
>
> What did they give you, the good conduct medal for making sure the
latrines
> were always clean? Or was it mess duty? Let's just I am not impressed by
> decorated Haitian airline maintenance directors... <chuckle>
>
> > As for bitch slapping me your bull****ting hero has had plenty of
chances
> > to try...
>
> I could care less about that. You want to get your bitch slap in _person_?
> No problem! Send me an email with the info when your flight gets into San
> Juan. I'll met you at the airport and be more than happy to oblige, chump.
> I'll even wheel you back into the airplane for your return flight.
>
>
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...

>Ah, I see you got your priorities straight. While Jim Campbell's out flying
>with Angel Flight, you're out doing the CYA dance in Wyoming.

I see you bought his Angle Flight story, hook,line and sinker just like you must
believe that zoom flew food missions in Etheopia. Still believe in the tooth
fairy too?

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"zoom can fool all of the people some of the time,some of the people none of the
time ,and jaun ALL of the time"..... chuck s

[Ron Natalie]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> I don't see how a guy who was Stateside turning wrenches can equate that with a
> guy who was in combat and taking fire. Even if he got an award it still doesn't
> match combat awards.

****, I've got a couple of awards from the Army, but hell I was just
doing my job (although the check stuck to the back of the General
Thompson gave me was a real nice perk).

[BobR]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
> >You're the one telling the media that he crashed because he didn't have the
> >optionally required fuselage cover. yeah, I know, you'll weasel and squirm
> >like a stuck pig and claim that's not what you meant. Your MO is well known.
> >You explain that to the NTSB.
>
> OK pucho where in the media did I say that?? Give us the source. Where did I say
> he crashed because he didn't have the standard equiptment fuselage cover on?
> Back up what you say for once.
>
> Chuck S

Gee, Chuck, the source was that great reporter for the Aero-News
Nutwork, Jaun(wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass)
Knowitall.

[BobR]

Juan boy, you are too much.

"Soldiers who truly earn medals for valor don't have any need to brag
about it..."

BUT YOU found the need to put your photo on your blog showing YOU in
your marines uniform.

Talk about the PUTZ of all time. YOU are it.

PS: Thanks, the day I read the crap you wrote about yourself was a day
that I needed a good laugh and you provided it.


Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > For the record this the first time that I ever said anything on the
> > net about being in Viet Nam.
>
> I don't give a damn what you said or when you said it or what medals you
> think you got. You're still a putz. Soldiers who truly earn medals for valor
> don't have any need to brag about it or get into prepubescent "my medals are
> bigger than yours" arguments. That's how I know you ain't **** in anyone's
> book.
>
> > Make sure you wear your track shoes to Sun N Fun and Oshkosh so you...
>
> yeah, yeah, blah blah, you keep repeating that to yourself, punk. Maybe
> you'll say it enough times to work up some of that bravery. Talk is cheap.
> You know where to find me, no need to wait for airshows, I'm not going
> anywhere, and that yellow stripe on your back ain't gonna grow any wider, is
> it?

[Jonathan Lowe]

> Umm.... No, you're wrong, Zoom is so deeply loved by everyone in
> aviation that it was just announced that there would be a Zoom
> Ultralight Hall of Fame and everyone just showed up and built it in a
> day, kind of like an Amish barn raising. So no money had to be
> spent!! Yeah, that's it! :>

It's so sad, there is a huge structure and nothing in it.:-)
--
..
..
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe,
Rallye 100
EI-BFR

>
> Your shovel may be big, but mine is tianium! http://tinyurl.com/8jh3b
>

[Steve Foley]

Actually, the Basketball hall of fame is closest to Podunk.

http://www.tricomchamber.org/east%20brookfield.htm




"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > And the Beatles and Rolling Stones went into the Rock and Roll Hall of
> > fame before they were famous, eh? Nice try, but it don't play in the
big
> > city.
>
> I know you were raised in Podunk and still think it's big. Can't do
anything
> about that.
>
> > You're right, my opinion of you is probably shared by half a dozen or so
> > putzes on this newsgroup. The rest of the group isn't quite as
charitable
> > towards you.
>
> Clueless and blessed with ESP. What a combination. When's the circus
passing
> through town? :)
>
>

[Juan Jimenez]

"UltraJohn" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> 1. they were not included in the NTSB report.

They were reported in the news.

> 2. if you have a link to the report I'd be glad to read it.

Start here http://www.kthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=18349

....or google for it.

> 3. Initial examination of the wreckage did not reveal
> any obvious indications of pre-impact mechanical malfunctions with the
> airframe, engine, or systems. There was no evidence of fire, explosion, or
> in-flight structural failure. Control cable continuity for all flight
> controls was established.

That's why "Aircraft Accident Investigation," ISBN 0965370607, is 450 pages
long. If probable causes were obvious there would be no need to have
textbooks and professional investigators.

Juan

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>>You're the one telling the media that he crashed because he didn't have
>>the
>>optionally required fuselage cover. yeah, I know, you'll weasel and squirm
>>like a stuck pig and claim that's not what you meant. Your MO is well
>>known.
>>You explain that to the NTSB.
>
> OK pucho where in the media did I say that?? Give us the source. Where did
> I say
> he crashed because he didn't have the standard equiptment fuselage cover
> on?
> Back up what you say for once.

EVERYWHERE, meathead. You spoke to an AP reporter, remember? Or did you
think we wouldn't see that?

[Juan Jimenez]

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Gee, Chuck, the source was that great reporter for the Aero-News
> Nutwork, Jaun(wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass)
> Knowitall.

http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2005/07/11/news/wyoming/33860a0f75b3f40d8725703a00803ed5.txt

Wrong again, BillyBob! Yuk! <chuckle>

[Juan Jimenez]

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:_GuTe.9727$dm.1431@lakeread03...
>> Ah, I see you got your priorities straight. While Jim Campbell's out
>> flying with Angel Flight, you're out doing the CYA dance in Wyoming.
>
> And you can prove this, I suppose.

Oh, and you can prove that ANN makes up stories about Angel Flight? Where do
you think most of them are coming from, putz? Thin air? :)

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> Does zoom have a current medical?

oooo! reach! reach! Maybe you'll find something! :)

[Juan Jimenez]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I know that you don't give a damn for anything that is factual. By
> the way I think that it was you that brought up how I won my medals.

No, punk. It was you called me a coward who never walked the walk. You got
bitchslapped and then you started whining about your medals.

The invitation stands. Stop looking for excuses and put your greasebucket
lardass where your mouth is. You know where to find me. I won't hold my
breath.

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> I don't see how a guy who was Stateside turning wrenches can equate that
> with a
> guy who was in combat and taking fire.

It's no different than you claiming you're hot **** because you got wanked
into the "hall of fame." Someone who really did do those things and earned
them doesn't need to try to throw them in people's faces. Common sense, that
of which you have none. Along with that credibility you never had.

Still CYA with the NTSB while the rest of the real people try to help
Louisiana and Mississippi?

[Juan Jimenez]

Won't even need the videocrew, I've got two professional photogs to document
Frank's short trip to the island and the five finger salute on his face.

I can just see this punk trying to convince a Puertorican cop in my turf
that I should go to jail for assaulting him. ROFL!

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:kWzTe.7513$jh7.4327@trndny06...
> Can we all put together a fund to send Frank to PR with a video crew?
>
> I would like to see:
>
> A) Juan slap him and end up in jail for assault.
>
> or
>
> B) Juan not show up (more likely) and post the footage on a website, along
> with a copy of Juan's threat and the e-mail stating exactly when the
> flight
> arrives.

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> I see you bought his Angle Flight story, hook,line and sinker just like
> you must
> believe that zoom flew food missions in Etheopia. Still believe in the
> tooth
> fairy too?

Is that like telling people that your airplanes will not fly without
optional/required fuselage covers? :)

[Juan Jimenez]

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Juan boy, you are too much.
>
> "Soldiers who truly earn medals for valor don't have any need to brag
> about it..."
>
> BUT YOU found the need to put your photo on your blog showing YOU in
> your marines uniform.

Yuk! That's right, BillyBob! Glad you enjoyed it! <chuckle>

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

<snip>
>
> Still CYA with the NTSB while the rest of the real people try to help
> Louisiana and Mississippi?
>
>
So you don't count yourself as real?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> "BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>Juan boy, you are too much.
>>
>>"Soldiers who truly earn medals for valor don't have any need to brag
>>about it..."
>>
>>BUT YOU found the need to put your photo on your blog showing YOU in
>>your marines uniform.
>
>
> Yuk! That's right, BillyBob! Glad you enjoyed it! <chuckle>
>

It probably wasn't him. He's not man enough to join the military.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

You have childish name calling down pat now how about some
substance, answer my questions. What was your Management job at
American Eagle and why did you leave? What have you ever done to help
someone that you actually risked your life or serious bodliy harm? No
more rants just answer the questions.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[LCT Paintball]

> It's no different than you claiming you're hot **** because you got wanked
> into the "hall of fame." Someone who really did do those things and earned
> them doesn't need to try to throw them in people's faces.


Interesting you would choose that argument while defending zoom.

[[email protected]]

For the record do you know Ignacio Rivera Guadalupe He is a friend of
mine. Haven't seen him for awhile but he is a policeman in San Juan.
Kinda of evens out the turf puts it back to one on one. Besides you are
so brave why would you need the police. Only one reason you are
following the lead of your puppeteer zzzoom and hiding behind the
police,he is an expert at that. However the last tjme he tried to sic
the police on me he got tossed at Sun N Fun.

Cut the BS and the smoke screen and answer the questions I posed to
you.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[red12049]

Juan,

Since you appear to know more about the Walton crash than anyone else here,
please end the suspense and tell us what caused it. No finger pointing, no
accusations, just what caused the crash, in simple English. I'm not
interested in accusations against this person or that person, this company
or that company, just what caused John Walton's plane to go in. If it was a
design flaw, then tell us, as accurately as possible, what that design flaw
was, and what needs to be done to correct it. Not PAST design flaws, but
the one that caused Walton to crash. And note that I have addressed you as
a peer. Please accord me that same courtesy. Thank you.

Red

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Here's a quote from yesterdays ANN article:
>>
>> "ANN's Jim Campbell, flying an R-44 helo (which is
>> proving to be an impressive load-hauler, even in the
>> oppressive heat) in outlying disaster areas..."
>>
>> What a hoot he's got them convinced at the home office that he's flying
>> relief
>> missions in a R-44 . Bet he was getting a free ride in one for an article
>> and
>> wasn't even flying solo let alone flying "loads" as he's implying. Our
>> hero :-)
>> I bet jauns swooning LOL!!
>>
>> Sorry but this was just too funny to pass up.
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck (never been a hero) S
>
> You got that right, you never have been and never will be, you only
> eliminate them, not become them. So what are you doing to help the victims
> of Katrina? Sitting on your fat ass at home, wondering how you're going to
> fight that lawsuit, or trying to come up with better, improved ways of
> claiming that people die because they forget to install the
> "optional/required" fuselage cover? That autopsy report must have hit you
> like the proverbial ton of bricks!
>
> Too hypocritical to pass up, putz.
>
> Juan
>

[RST Engineering]

Well, then next time you need to buy an irony meter made out of steely.

{;-)


Jim


"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:12:12 GMT, "LCT Paintball"
> > wrote:
>
> :
> :
> :> It's no different than you claiming you're hot **** because you got
> wanked
> :> into the "hall of fame." Someone who really did do those things and
> earned
> :> them doesn't need to try to throw them in people's faces.
> :
> :
> :Interesting you would choose that argument while defending zoom.
>
> Yeah. It made my irony meter explode. And I paid extra for a heavy
> duty industrial grade irony meter just last year.
>

[mick]

> Chuck: I liked your: "All sizzle and no bacon" Another one that sticks in
> my mind was " All Hat and no cows"

I think it's "All hat, no cattle". "Cows" doesn't sound manly enough.
--
Mickey

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>> OK pucho where in the media did I say that?? Give us the source. Where did
>> I say
>> he crashed because he didn't have the standard equiptment fuselage cover
>> on?
>> Back up what you say for once.
>
>EVERYWHERE, meathead. You spoke to an AP reporter, remember? Or did you
>think we wouldn't see that?

OK pucho one more time, exactly where did I say he crashed because he didn't
have a fuselage cover? Sure I talked to a lot of reporters but I never said that
he crashed because he didn't have a fuselage cover.YOU made that up since
you can't tell the truth any better then your hero zoom.

Chuck S

"credibility it's all about credibility" chuck s

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>
>"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>
>> Gee, Chuck, the source was that great reporter for the Aero-News
>> Nutwork, Jaun(wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass)
>> Knowitall.
>
>http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2005/07/11/news/wyoming/33860a0f75b3f40d8725703a00803ed5.txt
>
>Wrong again, BillyBob! Yuk! <chuckle>


Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's source:

"It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said, adding
that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the National
Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."

It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's why it
crashed. That is a figment of jauns imagination It's no wonder that not even
zoom wants jaun to write for him LOL!!!

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[Steve Foley]

Oh, so you're above the law?

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> Won't even need the videocrew, I've got two professional photogs to
document
> Frank's short trip to the island and the five finger salute on his face.
>
> I can just see this punk trying to convince a Puertorican cop in my turf
> that I should go to jail for assaulting him. ROFL!
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> news:kWzTe.7513$jh7.4327@trndny06...
> > Can we all put together a fund to send Frank to PR with a video crew?
> >
> > I would like to see:
> >
> > A) Juan slap him and end up in jail for assault.
> >
> > or
> >
> > B) Juan not show up (more likely) and post the footage on a website,
along
> > with a copy of Juan's threat and the e-mail stating exactly when the
> > flight
> > arrives.
>
>

[BobR]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
> >
> >
> >"BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >>
> >> Gee, Chuck, the source was that great reporter for the Aero-News
> >> Nutwork, Jaun(wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass)
> >> Knowitall.
> >
> >http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2005/07/11/news/wyoming/33860a0f75b3f40d8725703a00803ed5.txt
> >
> >Wrong again, BillyBob! Yuk! <chuckle>
>
>
> Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's source:
>
> "It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said, adding
> that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the National
> Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."
>
> It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's why it
> crashed. That is a figment of jauns imagination It's no wonder that not even
> zoom wants jaun to write for him LOL!!!
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> "credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

Poor Jaun, he never learned english very well and can't seem to
understand the "may" is not an absolute. He sees what he wants to see
and NOTHING else. The only one who has said anything absolute was Jaun
accusing the plane design as being at fault. Wonder where he came up
with that information...imagination or just an out and out lie.

[Ric]

>
>
> Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's
> source:
>
> "It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said,
> adding
> that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the
> National
> Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."
>
> It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's why
> it
> crashed. >
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>

Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about the
fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to infer
that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed to the
crash why on earth would you mention it?

Ric

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Ric wrote:
>>
>>Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's
>>source:
>>
>>"It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said,
>>adding
>>that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the
>>National
>>Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."
>>
>>It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's why
>>it
>>crashed. >
>>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>
>
>
> Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about the
> fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to infer
> that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed to the
> crash why on earth would you mention it?
>
> Ric
>
>
The correct word would be "imply." I wasn't there, but I have seen
enough bad editing to wonder if his response may have partially been to
an earlier question.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Ric]

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:uIkVe.18252$dm.10225@lakeread03...
> Ric wrote:
>>>
>>>Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's
>>>source:
>>>
>>>"It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said,
>>>adding
>>>that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the
>>>National
>>>Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."
>>>
>>>It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's
>>>why it
>>>crashed. >
>>>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about
>> the fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to
>> infer that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed
>> to the crash why on earth would you mention it?
>>
>> Ric
> The correct word would be "imply." I wasn't there, but I have seen
> enough bad editing to wonder if his response may have partially been to an
> earlier question.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Ric]

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:uIkVe.18252$dm.10225@lakeread03...
> Ric wrote:
>>>
>>>Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's
>>>source:
>>>
>>>"It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said,
>>>adding
>>>that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the
>>>National
>>>Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."
>>>
>>>It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's
>>>why it
>>>crashed. >
>>>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about
>> the fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to
>> infer that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed
>> to the crash why on earth would you mention it?
>>
>> Ric
> The correct word would be "imply." I wasn't there, but I have seen
> enough bad editing to wonder if his response may have partially been to an
> earlier question.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Yes, you are correct. "Imply" is the correct word. I need to read before
hitting the send button. If indeed the above statement was used out of
context it would be pertinent to post the whole interview .......maybe?

Ric, Australian Air Force, retired :0)

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Ric says...

>>> Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about
>>> the fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to
>>> infer that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed
>>> to the crash why on earth would you mention it?
>>>
>>> Ric
>> The correct word would be "imply." I wasn't there, but I have seen
>> enough bad editing to wonder if his response may have partially been to an
>> earlier question.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>Yes, you are correct. "Imply" is the correct word. I need to read before
>hitting the send button. If indeed the above statement was used out of
>context it would be pertinent to post the whole interview .......maybe?

That statement like many statements I gave to the news media are edited.I talked
with quite a few media people during the first few days after the accident and
they only use a small portion of what you say.

As an example of mis information, during the first few days after the accident
the plane was reported to be ultralight, it was not.That it was bought in
Virginia, it was not. That it was a used plane ,it was not. That the engine quit
,it did not. That it crashed on take off ,it did not and that it probably
stalled and spun it did not. Rumors and speculation ran wild even on this
newsgroup.Those were only a few of the ones I heard and saw reported in the
media.

In my conversations with that reporter and other reporters I said that it was
way too soon to come to any conclusions and that information was still coming
in, some true some false .For example the truth was, the plane was actually
bought new ,that it was built in West Virginia,the accident occured during
landing, the engine was running and that it was a Hirth not a Rotax . I also
mentioned that we just recently learned that the plane was being flown without a
fuse cover.I said it wasn't designed to be flown that way but that I had flown
it without the cover years earlier during the test phase of the design.It was
just another tidbit of info, another piece of the puzzle that we were trying to
solve...

I was trying to impress on them that info will be forth coming for a long time
and it will take time to try and sort things out because anything else is pure
speculation.

I just returned this afternoon from Jackson Hole where I met with the NTSB and
we examined the wreckage together. We learned a few more bits of info but I'm
not at liberty to discuss it. A second report from the NTSB will be out in the
future and until then I can't and won't speculate on the crash .If we find
something of a safety related issue that could affect current Hawk owners I will
certainly alert them.

As far as posting the entire interview I doubt it exists ,I don't tape record my
conversations except for those I used to have with zoom .

Cheers

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Ric]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Ric says...
>
>>>> Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about
>>>> the fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend
>>>> to
>>>> infer that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have
>>>> contributed
>>>> to the crash why on earth would you mention it?
>>>>
>>>> Ric
>>> The correct word would be "imply." I wasn't there, but I have seen
>>> enough bad editing to wonder if his response may have partially been to
>>> an
>>> earlier question.
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>>Yes, you are correct. "Imply" is the correct word. I need to read before
>>hitting the send button. If indeed the above statement was used out of
>>context it would be pertinent to post the whole interview .......maybe?
>
> That statement like many statements I gave to the news media are edited.I
> talked
> with quite a few media people during the first few days after the accident
> and
> they only use a small portion of what you say.
>
> As an example of mis information, during the first few days after the
> accident
> the plane was reported to be ultralight, it was not.That it was bought in
> Virginia, it was not. That it was a used plane ,it was not. That the
> engine quit
> ,it did not. That it crashed on take off ,it did not and that it probably
> stalled and spun it did not. Rumors and speculation ran wild even on this
> newsgroup.Those were only a few of the ones I heard and saw reported in
> the
> media.
>
> In my conversations with that reporter and other reporters I said that it
> was
> way too soon to come to any conclusions and that information was still
> coming
> in, some true some false .For example the truth was, the plane was
> actually
> bought new ,that it was built in West Virginia,the accident occured during
> landing, the engine was running and that it was a Hirth not a Rotax . I
> also
> mentioned that we just recently learned that the plane was being flown
> without a
> fuse cover.I said it wasn't designed to be flown that way but that I had
> flown
> it without the cover years earlier during the test phase of the design.It
> was
> just another tidbit of info, another piece of the puzzle that we were
> trying to
> solve...
>
> I was trying to impress on them that info will be forth coming for a long
> time
> and it will take time to try and sort things out because anything else is
> pure
> speculation.
>
> I just returned this afternoon from Jackson Hole where I met with the NTSB
> and
> we examined the wreckage together. We learned a few more bits of info but
> I'm
> not at liberty to discuss it. A second report from the NTSB will be out in
> the
> future and until then I can't and won't speculate on the crash .If we find
> something of a safety related issue that could affect current Hawk owners
> I will
> certainly alert them.
>
> As far as posting the entire interview I doubt it exists ,I don't tape
> record my
> conversations except for those I used to have with zoom .
>
> Cheers
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
Fair enough, thanks for the detailed reply. It's always better to get the
story from the horses mouth, so to speak :0)

Ric

Ric

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Ric says...
>> As far as posting the entire interview I doubt it exists ,I don't tape
>> record my
>> conversations except for those I used to have with zoom .
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>
>Fair enough, thanks for the detailed reply. It's always better to get the
>story from the horses mouth, so to speak :0)
>
>Ric

Thanks some have called me worse than that:-)

See ya

Chuck(the right end of the horse) S

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Ric says...
>
>>>As far as posting the entire interview I doubt it exists ,I don't tape
>>>record my
>>>conversations except for those I used to have with zoom .
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>>
>>
>>Fair enough, thanks for the detailed reply. It's always better to get the
>>story from the horses mouth, so to speak :0)
>>
>>Ric
>
>
> Thanks some have called me worse than that:-)
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck(the right end of the horse) S
>

Yep, I called you a gentleman once :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[RST Engineering]

Why do you feel it necessary to quote over a hundred lines of text to give
your line and a half of wisdom? Did anybody ever teach you to SNIP????

Jim



"Ric" > wrote in message
u...

> Fair enough, thanks for the detailed reply. It's always better to get the
> story from the horses mouth, so to speak :0)

[John Ammeter]

For crying out loud, Jim, don't get your panties in a knot...

RST Engineering wrote:
> Why do you feel it necessary to quote over a hundred lines of text to give
> your line and a half of wisdom? Did anybody ever teach you to SNIP????
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Ric" > wrote in message
> u...
>
>
>>Fair enough, thanks for the detailed reply. It's always better to get the
>>story from the horses mouth, so to speak :0)
>
>
>

[RST Engineering]

I don't wear panties (it's a Scot's thing...)

{;-)


Jim



"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...

> For crying out loud, Jim, don't get your panties in a knot...

[Ric]

<SNIP>
Why do you feel it necessary to police usenet. While you were wasting your
time moaning at me you could be catching those *******s down at the mall
parking in handicapped spaces.

[[email protected]]

Back to the original subject of this thread. A notation from the EIC
of the awful news nutworks in todays edition he claims to be a
occaisional MU-2 jockey.Sounds like the time they had an airshow at
Winterhaven, Florida. An Extra 260 taxied past and mooz started yakking
to the announcer that he had many hours in the Extra. Over the PA the
announcer said "we have a person up here that CLAIMS to have flown the
Extra 260".

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...
>
> Back to the original subject of this thread. A notation from the EIC
>of the awful news nutworks in todays edition he claims to be a
>occaisional MU-2 jockey.Sounds like the time they had an airshow at
>Winterhaven, Florida. An Extra 260 taxied past and mooz started yakking
>to the announcer that he had many hours in the Extra. Over the PA the
>announcer said "we have a person up here that CLAIMS to have flown the
>Extra 260".

Hey Frank
Remember in zoomspeak being an occasional MU-2 Jockey means he once sat in a
MU-2 and made airplane noises. LOL!!

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Roger]

On 13 Sep 2005 14:18:41 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>In article >, Ric says...
>
<snip>

>That statement like many statements I gave to the news media are edited.I talked
>with quite a few media people during the first few days after the accident and
>they only use a small portion of what you say.
<

Couple years ago ago I was interviewd by three network afilliate
stations. One interview ran over 20 minutes. The other two were about
10 minutes or so each. Out of all that I had about 15 seconds on one
and two quick flashes on the other. One only quoted me.

It gets edited a *lot*

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>Cheers
>
>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[[email protected]]

Hey Chuck,

I thought he might look at a picture of one occasionally. Lately my
favorite was the seven part TEST flight of the Eclipse jet. He tells
how they devised a test card for the flight and writing about control
harmony, phugoids. All his normal I'm a test pilot zzoomspeak. I'll bet
he was so excited he had to write the story with one hand. I would say
he was flogging his log with the other, but in his case it was probably
more like tickling his twig. The best part was if you read the AOPA
article they were the first to fly the plane. On top of that they flew
pretty much the same profile and Eclipse refers to the AOPA article in
their press releases.Wonder how long mooz walked around the hangar with
his parachute and crash helmet.
He will never be a contender always a pretender.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article om>,
says...

> The best part was if you read the AOPA
>article they were the first to fly the plane. On top of that they flew
>pretty much the same profile and Eclipse refers to the AOPA article in
>their press releases.

I bet he embellished "his" article after he read the AOPA article, then he added
his usual "we were the first to fly" BS. He's still a phony but he does have a
3rd class medical.


>Wonder how long mooz walked around the hangar with
>his parachute and crash helmet.

I think he saves that act for airshows LOL!!


> He will never be a contender always a pretender.

He always was and will always be a phoney it's just too bad he's got newbies who
think he is what he says he is. Take jaun for example NAaaah...you take 'em :-)

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Dan Nafe]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> I am not Haitian, however I was once a director of maintenance of a
> US FAR 129 airline based in Haiti.

Did they operate a B-727-200, white with red and blue stripes?

[Dan Nafe]

In article >,
"Juan Jimenez" > wrote:

> My management time was in a real airline, American Eagle. :)

Keyboard!

[[email protected]]

Dan,

We operated two DHC Dash 7's and two Shorts 360's on the 129
Certificate also we had six LET 410's on the Haitian Cert. It was an
adventure of epic portions.

Frank M Hitlaw
Jakarta,Indonesia

[Dan Nafe]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> Dan,
>
> We operated two DHC Dash 7's and two Shorts 360's on the 129
> Certificate also we had six LET 410's on the Haitian Cert. It was an
> adventure of epic portions.
>
> Frank M Hitlaw
> Jakarta,Indonesia

When I was flying for Trans Air Link, there was an outfit with a 727
that was a flying hazard to navigation. We had to go around once (in a
DC-6!) once when they decided to back taxi on the runway, rather than go
to the end and take the diagonal taxiway.

It was funny, the flight I often worked was "Skytruck 50", from Miami to
Port of Prince. We had a departure time that was the same as the Haitian
727, but they were always so late departing that we would often arrive
in our DC-6's BEFORE they did!

[Dan Nafe]

In article <BR3Te.9099$dm.4789@lakeread03>,
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote:

> Juan Jimenez wrote:
[snip]
> > medals as if you were some hot**** war hero. You know why I could give a
> > rat's ass about your medals? Because I worked in SAR for the majority of my
> > time in the Corps, at SOES in MCAS Cherry Point, and the point of what I
[snip]
> Translation: if yawn actually served he was a wrench bender who
> stayed on the ground while better men flew the missions. Yawn's combat
> time was fighting B girls in clubs and being defeated every time. That's
> if anyone believes he was in the Marines.

The Air Wing ain't even The Real Marine Corps!

>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Oh, and the Ahiar Farce ain't even the military!


;->

[[email protected]]

Dan;

To the best of my knowledge Haitian registered planes are barred from
operating in the U.S. since the early to mid 90's. That's why this
company had a 129 certificate and the N registration on the planes that
it planned to operate in and out of the states.
One of the first things I had to deal with was trying to get the
maintenance on track. Going over the status of the fleet I found that
one of the LET's was 18 days over a "B" check. When I questioned them
as to why this was I was told that they didn't have a special tool to
perform one opertion on the check. So they just passed on doing any of
the inspection. If they would have read the next paragraph in the
Maint. manual it spelled out an alternative method without the tool.
One other among many that sticks out in my mind was that they never had
any tires changes in the log book. Come to find out they didn't have
the material to do the NDT on the rims so they didn't log any wheel
changes. I told them that didn't they think that the FAA might want to
know how they were getting 800 landings with no tire wear. Like I said
it was an adventure every rock I turned over I found a new snake.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Dan Nafe]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> getting 800 landings with no tire wear

Not even I am that good!

;->

[Cy Galley]

"Dan Nafe" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> wrote:
>
>> getting 800 landings with no tire wear
>
> Not even I am that good!
>
> ;->

Zoom is! If you don't believe me, just ask him!

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <nUI_e.373409$x96.95685@attbi_s72>, Cy Galley says...
>
>>> getting 800 landings with no tire wear
>>
>> Not even I am that good!
>>
>> ;->
>
>Zoom is! If you don't believe me, just ask him!

Took the words right out of my mouth LOL!!!

Chuck (never wore out any shoes foot launching ultralights) S

[[email protected]]

Chuck;

You wore shoes? I thought that you used the Fred Flintstone method.
After all you are living proof that Fred and Barney were more than just
good friends.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Juan Jimenez]

"BobR" > wrote in message >
> Poor Jaun, he never learned english very well and can't seem to

Still whining about lost money decades after the fact. You're such a wuss,
Bob. :)

[Juan Jimenez]

> Ric wrote:
>>>
>>>Actually your exactly right Bob .Here's what I said right from jaun's
>>>source:
>>>
>>>"It's not designed to fly without a fuselage cover," Slusarczyk said,
>>>adding
>>>that he hopes to visit Jackson, see the wreckage and confer with the
>>>National
>>>Transportation Safety Board to help determine the cause of the crash."
>>>
>>>It wasn't designed to without a fuselage cover but I never said that's
>>>why it
>>>crashed. >
>>>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>
>>
>> Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about
>> the fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to
>> infer that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed
>> to the crash why on earth would you mention it?
>>
>> Ric

Don't bother, Ric, it's the same BS technique he used in another near fatal
accident. The insurance company didn't even bother to go to trial.

[Juan Jimenez]

You could always but your mouth when your butthole is... oops normal
location... well, put your mouth anywhere other than your butthole, try
that, and call Vern Rayburn to verify what Jim wrote.

Of course, not one of your putzes has the balls, so I won't hold my
breath.... :)

Juan

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey Chuck,
>
> I thought he might look at a picture of one occasionally. Lately my
> favorite was the seven part TEST flight of the Eclipse jet. He tells
> how they devised a test card for the flight and writing about control
> harmony, phugoids. All his normal I'm a test pilot zzoomspeak. I'll bet
> he was so excited he had to write the story with one hand. I would say
> he was flogging his log with the other, but in his case it was probably
> more like tickling his twig. The best part was if you read the AOPA
> article they were the first to fly the plane. On top of that they flew
> pretty much the same profile and Eclipse refers to the AOPA article in
> their press releases.Wonder how long mooz walked around the hangar with
> his parachute and crash helmet.
> He will never be a contender always a pretender.
>
> Frank M.Hitlaw
> Jakarta, Indonesia

[Juan Jimenez]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Ric says...
>
> That statement like many statements I gave to the news media are edited.

Are you implying that the AP reporter purposefully misquoted you? I do
believe that AP's management deserves to hear about this little accusation
of yours. Hmmm...

[Juan Jimenez]

> The Air Wing ain't even The Real Marine Corps!

Not until the grunts need someone to save their asses, then it's the only
corps.

[[email protected]]

I said that they referenced the AOPA article in their press releases
on their web site. There was no mention of anything written by your
puppeteer on there Eclipse web site. Also I said that the AOPA writer
stated that he was the first writer to fly the plane. Are you saying
that was wrong? Given a choice to believe the AOPA or a proven liar
I'll take the AOPA every time.
If you read the AOPA article they flew the same profile as zzzooom, so
it wasn't some elaborate test profile that zzzooom said it was. Are you
disputing any of this?

Lastly you still haven't answered my questions that I posed to you
way back in this thread, cut the crap and name calling and lets hear
some answers.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[[email protected]]

I said that they referenced the AOPA article in their press releases
on their web site. There was no mention of anything written by your
puppeteer on there Eclipse web site. Also I said that the AOPA writer
stated that he was the first writer to fly the plane. Are you saying
that was wrong? Given a choice to believe the AOPA or a proven liar
I'll take the AOPA every time.
If you read the AOPA article they flew the same profile as zzzooom, so
it wasn't some elaborate test profile that zzzooom said it was. Are you
disputing any of this?

Lastly you still haven't answered my questions that I posed to you
way back in this thread, cut the crap and name calling and lets hear
some answers.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Jerry Springer]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

>>>Just to play devils advocate here, you were talking to a reporter about
>>>the fatal crash of one of you ultralight designs. If you didn't intend to
>>>infer that flying the ultralight without a fuselage may have contributed
>>>to the crash why on earth would you mention it?
>>>
>>>Ric
>
>
> Don't bother, Ric, it's the same BS technique he used in another near fatal
> accident. The insurance company didn't even bother to go to trial.
>
>
Jaun, most insurance payoffs do not go to trial.

[ower]

Please mr. Jimenez explain what your answer:

> You could always but your mouth when your butthole is... oops normal
> location... well, put your mouth anywhere other than your butthole, try
> that, and call Vern Rayburn to verify what Jim wrote.
>
> Of course, not one of your putzes has the balls, so I won't hold my
> breath.... :)

has to do with mr. Hitlaws posting:

> > Hey Chuck,
> >
> > I thought he might look at a picture of one occasionally. Lately my
> > favorite was the seven part TEST flight of the Eclipse jet. He tells
> > how they devised a test card for the flight and writing about control
> > harmony, phugoids. All his normal I'm a test pilot zzoomspeak. I'll bet
> > he was so excited he had to write the story with one hand. I would say
> > he was flogging his log with the other, but in his case it was probably
> > more like tickling his twig. The best part was if you read the AOPA
> > article they were the first to fly the plane. On top of that they flew
> > pretty much the same profile and Eclipse refers to the AOPA article in
> > their press releases.Wonder how long mooz walked around the hangar with
> > his parachute and crash helmet.
> > He will never be a contender always a pretender.
> >
> > Frank M.Hitlaw
> > Jakarta, Indonesia
>
???

ower who is confused.

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

ower wrote:
> Please mr. Jimenez explain what your answer:
>
>
>>You could always but your mouth when your butthole is... oops normal
>>location... well, put your mouth anywhere other than your butthole, try
>>that, and call Vern Rayburn to verify what Jim wrote.
>>
>>Of course, not one of your putzes has the balls, so I won't hold my
>>breath.... :)
>
>
> has to do with mr. Hitlaws posting:
>
> > > Hey Chuck,
>
>>> I thought he might look at a picture of one occasionally. Lately my
>>>favorite was the seven part TEST flight of the Eclipse jet. He tells
>>>how they devised a test card for the flight and writing about control
>>>harmony, phugoids. All his normal I'm a test pilot zzoomspeak. I'll bet
>>>he was so excited he had to write the story with one hand. I would say
>>>he was flogging his log with the other, but in his case it was probably
>>>more like tickling his twig. The best part was if you read the AOPA
>>>article they were the first to fly the plane. On top of that they flew
>>>pretty much the same profile and Eclipse refers to the AOPA article in
>>>their press releases.Wonder how long mooz walked around the hangar with
>>>his parachute and crash helmet.
>>> He will never be a contender always a pretender.
>>>
>>> Frank M.Hitlaw
>>> Jakarta, Indonesia
>>
> ???
>
> ower who is confused.
>
>

You have to understand yawn has never answered such questions
without inuendo, name calling and the like.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >, Ric says...
>>
>> That statement like many statements I gave to the news media are edited.
>
>Are you implying that the AP reporter purposefully misquoted you? I do
>believe that AP's management deserves to hear about this little accusation
>of yours. Hmmm...

Do you actually believe that's what I implied? Call AP's management and tell
them what you think, then tell them to call me.... Boy you need more practice on
how to threaten somebody, compared to zoom your a piker. Try saying "govern
yourself accordingly" or "the authorities have been notified" or the all time
favorite "I'll see you in court".

Actually your "AP's management deserves to hear about this little accusation
of yours. Hmmm... " is really kinda wimpy .Better check with zoomy and see how
it's done....Better go and play with your goat pucho!!

Chuck (govern yourself accordianly) S

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <h%c1f.156$vE5.124@lakeread03>, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired says...
>> ower who is confused.
>>
>>
>
> You have to understand yawn has never answered such questions
>without inuendo, name calling and the like.
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

jaun like zoom will never answer such questions because to do so requires
credibility and both are sorely lacking in that virtue...

See ya

Chuck S
"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s

[Big John]

Frank

Moved from IV Corps (Delta) to Pleiku late in 67. Director of II DASC.

Only FAC that got airborne first night of TET at Pleiku. Wonder how
many lives I saved with the strikes put in that first night?

Never stopped to count, just doing my job.

Friendly fire shot at me on take off (50cal/20mm) even with my lights
out. Sound shooting I guess.

Used to go to BH and TSN and mix with the 'big boys'.

Would land in the over run and turn off the first taxi way. As I
cleared the R/W a heavy mover would hit the R/W and pop his chute 50
feet behind me. You could smell the burnt rubber from the wheel spin
up.

Glad you were one of the good guys and willing to put your ass on the
line. Just ran my figures and had 257 combat missions and 398 combat
hours.

Big John
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On 6 Sep 2005 08:31:14 -0700, wrote:

>
>
> Jerry;
> I arrived at Bien Hoa with the 101st on 7 Dec 67 left there mid Feb
>for camp Eagle. The F-5 crashed a couple of days before the tet in the
>Widows Village just east of the airfield. That was exciting but not
>near as exciting as the Tet that was a couple of days to remember.
>There will never be an airshow to rival the F-100's dropping 500lb
>bombs inside the perimeter.
>
> Some day we will have to sit down over a cold one(something other
>than muzzleloader) and find out how close we were during that period.
>
> Frank

[[email protected]]

Big John wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Friendly fire shot at me on take off (50cal/20mm) even with my lights
> out. Sound shooting I guess.
>
> ...

Can you explain that? I waasn't there but always thought that
Charlie didn't have much of an Air Force to shoot at.

--

FF

[[email protected]]

I wasn't with Big John but the Tet was unlike anything that had
happened up to that point. I was at Bien Hoa when the rockets started
flying we ducked into our bunkers as we normally did. Usually these
attacks lasted only a few minutes and it was back to bed. This night
when the rockets stopped a massive infantry attack hit the east side of
the perimeter. This area only had a couple of VNAF security post and it
didn't take long for the NVA breech the line. About half way from the
wire to the runway was some old French bunkers maybe 250 yards inside
the base. It was at this time that our helipad became the front line.
The bad guys set up in one of the reinforced bunkers and started
shooting a 57 recoiless rifle at the F-100s in their revetments. All
the time we were trying to keep their heads down with rifles and a
couple of M-60 machine guns. Overhead the 334th AHB Playboys were
tearing up the area with their Huey Cobras. That is how it continued
through the night,at first light me and a kid from Texas went to the
other end of the pad to an ammo supply we kept for the gunships. As we
headed back for the perimeter with a supply of ammo. I was looking
south about 10 miles on the solid gray overcast I saw the brightest red
reflection and a shock wave ring growing . The shock wave just kept
coming and the reflection turned into a massive fireball,as the shock
ring passed me the earth shook hard enough to bounce me off the ground
I about crapped I thought that someone put the wrong bullet into a
wrong gun and fired a tactical nuke. I jumped into a ditch and was
trying to remember all the nuke stuff from basic training. Obviously it
wasn't a atomic weapon but the NVA blowing up the Long Binh ammo dump.
Later that day we had A1 Skyraiders and F-100s bombing inside the base.
It took about three days to mop up and return the base to its rightfull
owners,us.

So the gist of this story is if I thought that day someone fired a
nuke, thinking that there was an air attack wasn't to far fetched. On
the other hand Big John may have just ****ed someone off.

Frank M. Hitlaw
Jakarta, Indonesia

[Big John]

Fred

Never saw a VC aircraft in II Corps. Think they just heard an engine
and shot at the sound?????

The fog of War????

Big John
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On 7 Oct 2005 19:41:13 -0700, wrote:

>
>Big John wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Friendly fire shot at me on take off (50cal/20mm) even with my lights
>> out. Sound shooting I guess.
>>
>> ...
>
>Can you explain that? I waasn't there but always thought that
>Charlie didn't have much of an Air Force to shoot at.